why is it that the hardest raids need to be anything but challenging?
If a "top raiding guild" can do it then other guilds can take the time to learn the encounters, hone their skills and complete the raid.
It's not like top raiding guilds have carte blanche to win the encounter but anyone else is kept from winning by virtue of who they are.
hard is hard. challenging is challenging.
If they can do it then you can do it. It might just take a bit more effort and raising your skills to overcome the challenge.
If Usain Bolt can run a sub 4 second 40 yard dash then any human being can! All it takes is hard work and determination! Take the time to train, hone their skills and run that 3.8 second 40 yard dash.
Super easy. Duh! how did anyone not figure this out before?!
That's supposed to be the point of challenging content LOL.
Complaining because a new game is too hard on the hardest content, while the extreme TOP ELITE guilds are clearing it, is pretty childish, it would seem that the content is perfectly created. If low level guilds can clear the hardest part of a game, then you're game difficulty is poorly managed *cough* WOW *cough*.
why is it that the hardest raids need to be anything but challenging?
If a "top raiding guild" can do it then other guilds can take the time to learn the encounters, hone their skills and complete the raid.
It's not like top raiding guilds have carte blanche to win the encounter but anyone else is kept from winning by virtue of who they are.
hard is hard. challenging is challenging.
If they can do it then you can do it. It might just take a bit more effort and raising your skills to overcome the challenge.
If Usain Bolt can run a sub 4 second 40 yard dash then any human being can! All it takes is hard work and determination! Take the time to train, hone their skills and run that 3.8 second 40 yard dash.
Super easy. Duh! how did anyone not figure this out before?!
That's supposed to be the point of challenging content LOL.
Complaining because a new game is too hard on the hardest content, while the extreme TOP ELITE guilds are clearing it, is pretty childish, it would seem that the content is perfectly created. If low level guilds can clear the hardest part of a game, then you're game difficulty is poorly managed *cough* WOW *cough*.
why is it that the hardest raids need to be anything but challenging?
If a "top raiding guild" can do it then other guilds can take the time to learn the encounters, hone their skills and complete the raid.
It's not like top raiding guilds have carte blanche to win the encounter but anyone else is kept from winning by virtue of who they are.
hard is hard. challenging is challenging.
If they can do it then you can do it. It might just take a bit more effort and raising your skills to overcome the challenge.
If Usain Bolt can run a sub 4 second 40 yard dash then any human being can! All it takes is hard work and determination! Take the time to train, hone their skills and run that 3.8 second 40 yard dash.
Super easy. Duh! how did anyone not figure this out before?!
I'll actually address you directly.
If Usain Bolt is "the" man to beat, "the" epitomy of the sport and I am keen to be involved in the sport at the highest levels then I would train and earn my right to just be competing against him, regardless of whether I win or not.
If being at the top echelon of any endeavor means that it is a small club because only a few can ever hope to be in it then I will aspire to reach that top echelon, even if it means I fail. Because the lessons I learn over the course of my experience will only make me better.
or everything can be handed to me on a silver platter and I'll never know the boundaries of my limits because I never put myself in a position to stretch myself, to put myself in a place where I was uncomfortable yet eager to be there and see if I could be successful.
Then again we are talking about video games.
In any case my point stands.
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why is it that the hardest raids need to be anything but challenging?
If a "top raiding guild" can do it then other guilds can take the time to learn the encounters, hone their skills and complete the raid.
It's not like top raiding guilds have carte blanche to win the encounter but anyone else is kept from winning by virtue of who they are.
hard is hard. challenging is challenging.
If they can do it then you can do it. It might just take a bit more effort and raising your skills to overcome the challenge.
If Usain Bolt can run a sub 4 second 40 yard dash then any human being can! All it takes is hard work and determination! Take the time to train, hone their skills and run that 3.8 second 40 yard dash.
Super easy. Duh! how did anyone not figure this out before?!
You're not that good at defending your points, are you?
Actually, his analogy is quite accurate, as I'm sure 99.99% of us will never run that fast. So, with that in mind, perhaps 99.99% of Rift players will never complete the endgame. Does this mean Rift should make endgame less challenging? Nope, it could have other game mechanics implemented to give players a choice. Thats one thing I liked about City of Heroes with most of their content difficulty adjustable to suit your individual play skill
So does everyone deserve to go to the Olympics, no matter of their actual ability? Ofc not... thats just a symptom of the modern 'everybody's special' mentallity. Well, the truth is that is everybody is special, then nobody is.
I'm no fan of Rift, but kudos to them for making challenging content and setting a bar that only those that have the ability or the determination to learn the ability can reach.Thats,imo, the only way to set goals in a game like this and provide a real sense of achievement and satisfaction (which is good seeing as the rest of the game levels you for the equivalent of turning up).
Ability? Determination? You mean time, don't you? Raiding is not about skill, it's about burning time and herding cats. If you've got your logistics down pat and can get enough people pointed in the same direction for a prolonged period of time, you can raid successfully. Your average raider is no more effective at playing the game than anyone else with opposable thumbs and a broadband connection. The problem is that many raiders actually believe their own press, and have fooled themselves into thinking that they are better gamers than anyone who refuses to follow them on the treadmill.
It's nice to see that Trion is feeding into their neurosis.
All of Rift is stupid easy so I am glad to here there is SOME hard content in the game. T2's were a joke and I quit....never really got into raiding. Raiding is truely the end game and it should be very challenging.
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why is it that the hardest raids need to be anything but challenging?
If a "top raiding guild" can do it then other guilds can take the time to learn the encounters, hone their skills and complete the raid.
It's not like top raiding guilds have carte blanche to win the encounter but anyone else is kept from winning by virtue of who they are.
hard is hard. challenging is challenging.
If they can do it then you can do it. It might just take a bit more effort and raising your skills to overcome the challenge.
If Usain Bolt can run a sub 4 second 40 yard dash then any human being can! All it takes is hard work and determination! Take the time to train, hone their skills and run that 3.8 second 40 yard dash.
Super easy. Duh! how did anyone not figure this out before?!
I'll actually address you directly.
If Usain Bolt is "the" man to beat, "the" epitomy of the sport and I am keen to be involved in the sport at the highest levels then I would train and earn my right to just be competing against him, regardless of whether I win or not.
If being at the top echelon of any endeavor means that it is a small club because only a few can ever hope to be in it then I will aspire to reach that top echelon, even if it means I fail. Because the lessons I learn over the course of my experience will only make me better.
or everything can be handed to me on a silver platter and I'll never know the boundaries of my limits because I never put myself in a position to stretch myself, to put myself in a place where I was uncomfortable yet eager to be there and see if I could be successful.
Then again we are talking about video games.
In any case my point stands.
It's true it is a video game, but if the state of the current developed nations show us anything, the idea that everything should be attainable just for being mediocre (and some think even doing less is ok) or that we should just be given that which others have actually worked hard for, is something that is becoming a cancer in the minds of humanity. I would say this is just rearing it's head in some of the current gaming community. You could write it off as just a game, but I think this attitude is just part of some deep seated laziness/entitlement belief. I for one think that hard should be hard, but we'll see less of it as more and more people believe that everything should be made easy enough to do it without any sort of skill or work. Companies gotta go where the money is
It's true it is a video game, but if the state of the current developed nations show us anything, the idea that everything should be attainable just for being mediocre (and some think even doing less is ok) or that we should just be given that which others have actually worked hard for, is something that is becoming a cancer in the minds of humanity. I would say this is just rearing it's head in some of the current gaming community. You could write it off as just a game, but I think this attitude is just part of some deep seated laziness/entitlement belief. I for one think that hard should be hard, but we'll see less of it as more and more people believe that everything should be made easy enough to do it without any sort of skill or work. Companies gotta go where the money is
don't get me on a rant!
I'll pull my belt up to my chest,raise my fist in the air and step on a soap box so high that no one will be able to take me down.
now where are my prunes...
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why is it that the hardest raids need to be anything but challenging?
If a "top raiding guild" can do it then other guilds can take the time to learn the encounters, hone their skills and complete the raid.
It's not like top raiding guilds have carte blanche to win the encounter but anyone else is kept from winning by virtue of who they are.
hard is hard. challenging is challenging.
If they can do it then you can do it. It might just take a bit more effort and raising your skills to overcome the challenge.
If Usain Bolt can run a sub 4 second 40 yard dash then any human being can! All it takes is hard work and determination! Take the time to train, hone their skills and run that 3.8 second 40 yard dash.
Super easy. Duh! how did anyone not figure this out before?!
You're not that good at defending your points, are you?
Actually, his analogy is quite accurate, as I'm sure 99.99% of us will never run that fast. So, with that in mind, perhaps 99.99% of Rift players will never complete the endgame. Does this mean Rift should make endgame less challenging? Nope, it could have other game mechanics implemented to give players a choice. Thats one thing I liked about City of Heroes with most of their content difficulty adjustable to suit your individual play skill
So does everyone deserve to go to the Olympics, no matter of their actual ability? Ofc not... thats just a symptom of the modern 'everybody's special' mentallity. Well, the truth is that is everybody is special, then nobody is.
I'm no fan of Rift, but kudos to them for making challenging content and setting a bar that only those that have the ability or the determination to learn the ability can reach.Thats,imo, the only way to set goals in a game like this and provide a real sense of achievement and satisfaction (which is good seeing as the rest of the game levels you for the equivalent of turning up).
Ability? Determination? You mean time, don't you? Raiding is not about skill, it's about burning time and herding cats. If you've got your logistics down pat and can get enough people pointed in the same direction for a prolonged period of time, you can raid successfully. Your average raider is no more effective at playing the game than anyone else with opposable thumbs and a broadband connection. The problem is that many raiders actually believe their own press, and have fooled themselves into thinking that they are better gamers than anyone who refuses to follow them on the treadmill.
It's nice to see that Trion is feeding into their neurosis.
Wow if that isn't being elitist against elitists, I dunno what is LOL.
I think you're confused here. The game you're describing here sounds like what WOW has become. The content is so simplified that anyone can do it, but most of the people playing WOW now are so devoid of any sort of determination, focus or skill that it becomes like herding cats to accomplish anything. Yes in this instance being elitist is pretty ridiculous. If you play a game that actually has hard content, instead of a design to let anyone conquer the "hard" mode content, there is a lot of reading and learning and experience that goes into defeating that content. It takes a unified effort to hit weakpoints and finish a boss. In these games, although I don't like elitists, they really have every right to be, because they've honed their skills to accomplish what they wanted.
Edit: and I'm not saying RIFT is the type of good hard content I'm talking about, I'm not in the end content, and the game is kinda boring me, so don't think I'm specifically defending RIFT.
All of Rift is stupid easy so I am glad to here there is SOME hard content in the game. T2's were a joke and I quit....never really got into raiding. Raiding is truely the end game and it should be very challenging.
You didn't do T2s, if you're saying they're a joke. They might not of been the challenged you want, but come on. They're not faceroll don't pay attention easy. There's strat to them and it requires the players to be aware/geared/good.
It's true it is a video game, but if the state of the current developed nations show us anything, the idea that everything should be attainable just for being mediocre (and some think even doing less is ok) or that we should just be given that which others have actually worked hard for, is something that is becoming a cancer in the minds of humanity. I would say this is just rearing it's head in some of the current gaming community. You could write it off as just a game, but I think this attitude is just part of some deep seated laziness/entitlement belief. I for one think that hard should be hard, but we'll see less of it as more and more people believe that everything should be made easy enough to do it without any sort of skill or work. Companies gotta go where the money is
don't get me on a rant!
I'll pull my belt up to my chest,raise my fist in the air and step on a soap box so high that no one will be able to take me down.
now where are my prunes...
I hardly see how being mediocre or working hard has anything to do with how far you get in the world today. Has more to do with who your dady is, who your friends are, and/or how lucky you are. Thats it. Hard work has nothing to do with it.
It's true it is a video game, but if the state of the current developed nations show us anything, the idea that everything should be attainable just for being mediocre (and some think even doing less is ok) or that we should just be given that which others have actually worked hard for, is something that is becoming a cancer in the minds of humanity. I would say this is just rearing it's head in some of the current gaming community. You could write it off as just a game, but I think this attitude is just part of some deep seated laziness/entitlement belief. I for one think that hard should be hard, but we'll see less of it as more and more people believe that everything should be made easy enough to do it without any sort of skill or work. Companies gotta go where the money is
don't get me on a rant!
I'll pull my belt up to my chest,raise my fist in the air and step on a soap box so high that no one will be able to take me down.
This game is supposed to be about freedom of choice to adjust your character how you want to and still be able to finish the content.
Raid is content and has been worked on by the devs for the purpose of people seeing it. Not just the top 15% of hardcores.
If I do enuff expert dungeons and kill enuff bosses to get enuff plaques to get the 200 plaque gears and my whole guild does the same thing we should then be able to do the raids with success. I am not saying there should be easy mode. Just that the devs need to make the raid content accessible enuff that we can do half of it at least without being uber LEETZ robo crazy over the top guild. Sure make the middle boss in the raid have an enrage....but allow it to be bypassed. Allow the very endboss of the dungeon to also enrage. Since he gives the best gears he should not be an easy farm but rather....an experiance and a badge of honor to have beaten and lived thru.
My guild cleared GSB with only 9 of us T2 ready and the rest a rag-tag bunch of just-hit-50's with < 100 hit. Nobody was even close to Hit cap, the highest was 172 and we managed to get to Hylas. Looks like its time to cut the dead weight.
This of course was weeks ago and now we're 5/5 and 3/4.
It's true it is a video game, but if the state of the current developed nations show us anything, the idea that everything should be attainable just for being mediocre (and some think even doing less is ok) or that we should just be given that which others have actually worked hard for, is something that is becoming a cancer in the minds of humanity. I would say this is just rearing it's head in some of the current gaming community. You could write it off as just a game, but I think this attitude is just part of some deep seated laziness/entitlement belief. I for one think that hard should be hard, but we'll see less of it as more and more people believe that everything should be made easy enough to do it without any sort of skill or work. Companies gotta go where the money is
don't get me on a rant!
I'll pull my belt up to my chest,raise my fist in the air and step on a soap box so high that no one will be able to take me down.
now where are my prunes...
I hardly see how being mediocre or working hard has anything to do with how far you get in the world today. Has more to do with who your dady is, who your friends are, and/or how lucky you are. Thats it. Hard work has nothing to do with it.
meh, of course that's part of it too. However, I've worked with enough ceo's, general managers, etc to have seen people who work "all the time'. I mean "all the time". when you are getting e-mails at 3am sunday morning it says somethign.
I don't doubt that there are people out there who were given a leg up by daddy or inherited a huge sum of money so they could start their own company and hire people who actually can run a company. but I've been around the block enough to see that there are a lot of high level people who, though they enjoy the spoils of their chosen professions, essentially have no life. Or have made their careers their life.
but that's another conversation for another thread.
on topic, regarding the post above that indicates Trion created hard content for everyone to see: "how do you know that?"
I mean, if they are bringing in high level, organized, practiclaly professional guilds to tune their content the maybe they really are making content that people have to strive to work toward and that not everyone can do.
It's a bit old school but it's something that I can get behind.
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It's true it is a video game, but if the state of the current developed nations show us anything, the idea that everything should be attainable just for being mediocre (and some think even doing less is ok) or that we should just be given that which others have actually worked hard for, is something that is becoming a cancer in the minds of humanity. I would say this is just rearing it's head in some of the current gaming community. You could write it off as just a game, but I think this attitude is just part of some deep seated laziness/entitlement belief. I for one think that hard should be hard, but we'll see less of it as more and more people believe that everything should be made easy enough to do it without any sort of skill or work. Companies gotta go where the money is
don't get me on a rant!
I'll pull my belt up to my chest,raise my fist in the air and step on a soap box so high that no one will be able to take me down.
now where are my prunes...
I hardly see how being mediocre or working hard has anything to do with how far you get in the world today. Has more to do with who your dady is, who your friends are, and/or how lucky you are. Thats it. Hard work has nothing to do with it.
True there is some of that in the world, but you rarely see such pampered people go much further beyong that generation, if they don't ruin their fortune before they die.
You'll notice I didn't say everyone, just some people. Eventually this idea of "socialism" is going to destroy itself, like communism, monarchies, dictatorships, capitolists, and republics. At this point humanity doesn't have the ability to not corrupt itself. The people become complacent and stupid, the greedy let them because it makes it easier to take from them, and the powerful make sure they keep their power. It's human. You have to be pretty unrealistic to believe anytime in the near future socialism would work for humanity. Which brings us back to the topic, people have a sense of entitlement, thinking that they deserve to have what someone else has because that person has more. It's their stuff, if they want to give it to their kids, they can, if they want to give to charity they can, if they want to help the poor they can. People are created equal but through the course of their lives the individuals set themselves apart for good or bad. I don't think there's anything wrong with making content that you need actual skill to overcome. Some old school things are there for a reason (some are obsolete).
My guild cleared GSB with only 9 of us T2 ready and the rest a rag-tag bunch of just-hit-50's with < 100 hit. Nobody was even close to Hit cap, the highest was 172 and we managed to get to Hylas. Looks like its time to cut the dead weight.
This of course was weeks ago and now we're 5/5 and 3/4.
My guild cleared GSB with only 9 of us T2 ready and the rest a rag-tag bunch of just-hit-50's with < 100 hit. Nobody was even close to Hit cap, the highest was 172 and we managed to get to Hylas. Looks like its time to cut the dead weight.
This of course was weeks ago and now we're 5/5 and 3/4.
Is it safe now to call the OP debunked?
double us up for that, the vast majority (including tanks) doesnt have 200 base hit/focus or toughness, and we killed 2 out of 5 bosses sofar as a CASUAL guild.
Sadly that is all this boils down to. No matter how skilled a team is, if they don't have an overall suitable level of gear they might as well not bother. Gear > skill yet again. That doesn't make something challenging, it just places artifical barriers.
The guild I am in has GSB on farm and can down everything but greenscale in 1 night. We all took the time, learned the strats (most cases came up with strats that worked for us) and we practice. We spent 2 weeks on Hylas until now he is pretty much a 1 shot. We are still currently working on Greenscale himself and it's only a matter of time before it falls.
We have already started on River of Souls as well and have the Warmaster nearly beat.
It's just getting people that want to put in the time and work hard. Get a few people that know the strat, pick their brain and then impliment. You may wipe 30 times a night (which we have) but eventually you will succeed.
Didn't read the topic so just replying to the OP but I don't see what the problem can be. If as a guild you want to raid, it's obvious that your members will have to run enough T1 and T2 dungeons in order to get enough decent gear to raid the endgame instance all together.
IF your guild members did run thouse dungeons, equipped the gear they looted, turned in their plaques for better gear and enchanted their gear ... I don't see HOW you could fail at the first raid bosses unless some members don't know HOW to play (bad rotation, bad soul build, not knowing tactics, slow).
Also, if your guild members don't like dungeons, there are expert rifts, raid rifts, etc you can do for better gear for your guild and also crafts they can make/buy etc ... Or get epic PvP weapons soon ... Hell, I don't know, there is so much you can do to get gear! Notoriety too ...
What I do think is that
A You want to be able to skip dungeons and raid immediately and expect to succeed B You are pugging C Your guild members aren't doing enough efforts in order to get to the required skill level D Most guildmembers are too lazy to do alternative raiding like RIFTS in order to get gear / gather money for epics / etc E A combination of the above and all those that I forgot
So, with all your respect, I don't believe what you are saying either. There are actually quite some guilds downing bosses in Greenscale.
Also, at least you have to work for your achievement. Don't make ik cookie cutter all over again please, Rift is at a nice level of difficuly and challenge, accept te challenge
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That's supposed to be the point of challenging content LOL.
Complaining because a new game is too hard on the hardest content, while the extreme TOP ELITE guilds are clearing it, is pretty childish, it would seem that the content is perfectly created. If low level guilds can clear the hardest part of a game, then you're game difficulty is poorly managed *cough* WOW *cough*.
QFT!
I'll actually address you directly.
If Usain Bolt is "the" man to beat, "the" epitomy of the sport and I am keen to be involved in the sport at the highest levels then I would train and earn my right to just be competing against him, regardless of whether I win or not.
If being at the top echelon of any endeavor means that it is a small club because only a few can ever hope to be in it then I will aspire to reach that top echelon, even if it means I fail. Because the lessons I learn over the course of my experience will only make me better.
or everything can be handed to me on a silver platter and I'll never know the boundaries of my limits because I never put myself in a position to stretch myself, to put myself in a place where I was uncomfortable yet eager to be there and see if I could be successful.
Then again we are talking about video games.
In any case my point stands.
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Ability? Determination? You mean time, don't you? Raiding is not about skill, it's about burning time and herding cats. If you've got your logistics down pat and can get enough people pointed in the same direction for a prolonged period of time, you can raid successfully. Your average raider is no more effective at playing the game than anyone else with opposable thumbs and a broadband connection. The problem is that many raiders actually believe their own press, and have fooled themselves into thinking that they are better gamers than anyone who refuses to follow them on the treadmill.
It's nice to see that Trion is feeding into their neurosis.
All of Rift is stupid easy so I am glad to here there is SOME hard content in the game. T2's were a joke and I quit....never really got into raiding. Raiding is truely the end game and it should be very challenging.
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It's true it is a video game, but if the state of the current developed nations show us anything, the idea that everything should be attainable just for being mediocre (and some think even doing less is ok) or that we should just be given that which others have actually worked hard for, is something that is becoming a cancer in the minds of humanity. I would say this is just rearing it's head in some of the current gaming community. You could write it off as just a game, but I think this attitude is just part of some deep seated laziness/entitlement belief. I for one think that hard should be hard, but we'll see less of it as more and more people believe that everything should be made easy enough to do it without any sort of skill or work. Companies gotta go where the money is
don't get me on a rant!
I'll pull my belt up to my chest,raise my fist in the air and step on a soap box so high that no one will be able to take me down.
now where are my prunes...
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Wow if that isn't being elitist against elitists, I dunno what is LOL.
I think you're confused here. The game you're describing here sounds like what WOW has become. The content is so simplified that anyone can do it, but most of the people playing WOW now are so devoid of any sort of determination, focus or skill that it becomes like herding cats to accomplish anything. Yes in this instance being elitist is pretty ridiculous. If you play a game that actually has hard content, instead of a design to let anyone conquer the "hard" mode content, there is a lot of reading and learning and experience that goes into defeating that content. It takes a unified effort to hit weakpoints and finish a boss. In these games, although I don't like elitists, they really have every right to be, because they've honed their skills to accomplish what they wanted.
Edit: and I'm not saying RIFT is the type of good hard content I'm talking about, I'm not in the end content, and the game is kinda boring me, so don't think I'm specifically defending RIFT.
You didn't do T2s, if you're saying they're a joke. They might not of been the challenged you want, but come on. They're not faceroll don't pay attention easy. There's strat to them and it requires the players to be aware/geared/good.
I hardly see how being mediocre or working hard has anything to do with how far you get in the world today. Has more to do with who your dady is, who your friends are, and/or how lucky you are. Thats it. Hard work has nothing to do with it.
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What? Not everyone is a special snowflake?
Quit complaining and get better gear.
I agree the enrage thing is overkill.
This game is supposed to be about freedom of choice to adjust your character how you want to and still be able to finish the content.
Raid is content and has been worked on by the devs for the purpose of people seeing it. Not just the top 15% of hardcores.
If I do enuff expert dungeons and kill enuff bosses to get enuff plaques to get the 200 plaque gears and my whole guild does the same thing we should then be able to do the raids with success. I am not saying there should be easy mode. Just that the devs need to make the raid content accessible enuff that we can do half of it at least without being uber LEETZ robo crazy over the top guild. Sure make the middle boss in the raid have an enrage....but allow it to be bypassed. Allow the very endboss of the dungeon to also enrage. Since he gives the best gears he should not be an easy farm but rather....an experiance and a badge of honor to have beaten and lived thru.
If all bosses engrage it is bad programming
My guild cleared GSB with only 9 of us T2 ready and the rest a rag-tag bunch of just-hit-50's with < 100 hit. Nobody was even close to Hit cap, the highest was 172 and we managed to get to Hylas. Looks like its time to cut the dead weight.
This of course was weeks ago and now we're 5/5 and 3/4.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
Bad Design? I dunno about programming.
meh, of course that's part of it too. However, I've worked with enough ceo's, general managers, etc to have seen people who work "all the time'. I mean "all the time". when you are getting e-mails at 3am sunday morning it says somethign.
I don't doubt that there are people out there who were given a leg up by daddy or inherited a huge sum of money so they could start their own company and hire people who actually can run a company. but I've been around the block enough to see that there are a lot of high level people who, though they enjoy the spoils of their chosen professions, essentially have no life. Or have made their careers their life.
but that's another conversation for another thread.
on topic, regarding the post above that indicates Trion created hard content for everyone to see: "how do you know that?"
I mean, if they are bringing in high level, organized, practiclaly professional guilds to tune their content the maybe they really are making content that people have to strive to work toward and that not everyone can do.
It's a bit old school but it's something that I can get behind.
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True there is some of that in the world, but you rarely see such pampered people go much further beyong that generation, if they don't ruin their fortune before they die.
You'll notice I didn't say everyone, just some people. Eventually this idea of "socialism" is going to destroy itself, like communism, monarchies, dictatorships, capitolists, and republics. At this point humanity doesn't have the ability to not corrupt itself. The people become complacent and stupid, the greedy let them because it makes it easier to take from them, and the powerful make sure they keep their power. It's human. You have to be pretty unrealistic to believe anytime in the near future socialism would work for humanity. Which brings us back to the topic, people have a sense of entitlement, thinking that they deserve to have what someone else has because that person has more. It's their stuff, if they want to give it to their kids, they can, if they want to give to charity they can, if they want to help the poor they can. People are created equal but through the course of their lives the individuals set themselves apart for good or bad. I don't think there's anything wrong with making content that you need actual skill to overcome. Some old school things are there for a reason (some are obsolete).
Alas, I think I've gone to serious on this topic.
Is it safe now to call the OP debunked?
.. But in a good way.
People like this are what caused Blizzard to make WoW a carebear game...
.... and then they bitch that the game is a carebear game...
There is just no pleasing them..
Herding cats? Don't let anyone tell you its easy. Not everyone can do what cat herders do XD
double us up for that, the vast majority (including tanks) doesnt have 200 base hit/focus or toughness, and we killed 2 out of 5 bosses sofar as a CASUAL guild.
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Sadly that is all this boils down to. No matter how skilled a team is, if they don't have an overall suitable level of gear they might as well not bother. Gear > skill yet again. That doesn't make something challenging, it just places artifical barriers.
The guild I am in has GSB on farm and can down everything but greenscale in 1 night. We all took the time, learned the strats (most cases came up with strats that worked for us) and we practice. We spent 2 weeks on Hylas until now he is pretty much a 1 shot. We are still currently working on Greenscale himself and it's only a matter of time before it falls.
We have already started on River of Souls as well and have the Warmaster nearly beat.
It's just getting people that want to put in the time and work hard. Get a few people that know the strat, pick their brain and then impliment. You may wipe 30 times a night (which we have) but eventually you will succeed.
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Didn't read the topic so just replying to the OP but I don't see what the problem can be. If as a guild you want to raid, it's obvious that your members will have to run enough T1 and T2 dungeons in order to get enough decent gear to raid the endgame instance all together.
IF your guild members did run thouse dungeons, equipped the gear they looted, turned in their plaques for better gear and enchanted their gear ... I don't see HOW you could fail at the first raid bosses unless some members don't know HOW to play (bad rotation, bad soul build, not knowing tactics, slow).
Also, if your guild members don't like dungeons, there are expert rifts, raid rifts, etc you can do for better gear for your guild and also crafts they can make/buy etc ... Or get epic PvP weapons soon ... Hell, I don't know, there is so much you can do to get gear! Notoriety too ...
What I do think is that
A You want to be able to skip dungeons and raid immediately and expect to succeed
B You are pugging
C Your guild members aren't doing enough efforts in order to get to the required skill level
D Most guildmembers are too lazy to do alternative raiding like RIFTS in order to get gear / gather money for epics / etc
E A combination of the above and all those that I forgot
So, with all your respect, I don't believe what you are saying either. There are actually quite some guilds downing bosses in Greenscale.
Also, at least you have to work for your achievement. Don't make ik cookie cutter all over again please, Rift is at a nice level of difficuly and challenge, accept te challenge
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