Yeah kids...the one doing the hacking. I'm sorry that living in a sheltered world causes people to have an overly vicitimized sensability. Boycotting doesn't do much and this applies even moreso to international companies, as different cultures will have other considerations. What you really need to do is quit letting people form your decisions for you.
The 20 something year old kid is being used for cracking the ps3. Sony comes out and QQ "Anonymous" about the hack. Then "Anonymous" publicaly denounces the hack which is they have never had trouble taking blame...With that statement i think Anonymous should sue them for defemation of character. You should look at Sony's subholdings and employee injury statistics and then tell me about honorable.
"Anonymous" is not a suspect in the eyes of Sony just an easy public figure to point a finger at. Which is why they have hired some private security firm to locate the 17 year hungarian who brought it down.
"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither." - Ben Franklin
The only one who has ever said there was a denial of service attack during this time was Sony. As far as I know no one else has mentioned it, including their customers.
The attacks on the PSN/SOE servers took place between April 17th and April 19th. Sony servers did not come down until April 20th.
As far as I know there was no DOS attack on the PSN/SOE servers between April 17th and 19th and everything was running just fine. Anonymous stopped their DOS attacks on April 7th stating they were only hurting Sony customers and not Sony.
Everything about the DOS attack and any connection to Anonymous feels more like a smokescreen trying to shift blame to someone else, because Sony needs someone to blame.
"Almost two weeks ago, one or more cybercriminals gained access to PlayStation Network servers at or around the same time that these servers were experiencing denial-of-service attacks," Sony Computer Entertainment Chairman Kazuo Hirai said last week. "The Sony Network Entertainment America team did not immediately detect the criminal intrusion for several possible reasons. That may have made it more difficult to detect this intrusion quickly--all perhaps by design."
So you're saying we should take the word of known cyber-criminals who would be in deep shit if they are found to be connected with this over Sony? Sounds like they have as much to hide as Sony.
And, since you've done so much detective work you come to the conclusion that Anonymous wasn't involved? Just curious, in all that detective work did you happen to overlook how Anonymous had threatened, right before the hack occured, to hack Sony, take down their network, and get executive family member names in response to the lawsuit Sony filed against them?
Nah, it wasn't Anonymous. Yea, it was just some 17 year old kid in Hungary acting all alone. Sure, it was.
The only one who has ever said there was a denial of service attack during this time was Sony. As far as I know no one else has mentioned it, including their customers.
The attacks on the PSN/SOE servers took place between April 17th and April 19th. Sony servers did not come down until April 20th.
As far as I know there was no DOS attack on the PSN/SOE servers between April 17th and 19th and everything was running just fine. Anonymous stopped their DOS attacks on April 7th stating they were only hurting Sony customers and not Sony.
Everything about the DOS attack and any connection to Anonymous feels more like a smokescreen trying to shift blame to someone else, because Sony needs someone to blame.
"Almost two weeks ago, one or more cybercriminals gained access to PlayStation Network servers at or around the same time that these servers were experiencing denial-of-service attacks," Sony Computer Entertainment Chairman Kazuo Hirai said last week. "The Sony Network Entertainment America team did not immediately detect the criminal intrusion for several possible reasons. That may have made it more difficult to detect this intrusion quickly--all perhaps by design."
So you're saying we should take the word of known cyber-criminals who would be in deep shit if they are found to be connected with this over Sony? Sounds like they have as much to hide as Sony.
And, since you've done so much detective work you come to the conclusion that Anonymous wasn't involved? Just curious, in all that detective work did you happen to overlook how Anonymous had threatened, right before the hack occured, to hack Sony, take down their network, and get executive family member names in response to the lawsuit Sony filed against them?
Nah, it wasn't Anonymous. Yea, it was just some 17 year old kid in Hungary acting all alone. Sure, it was.
Just take a second to think about it..
Stealing a huge data base.. during a denial of service attack...
How are they going to steal all that data if they can't even connect because there isn't any service?
I'm not supporting anonymous or trying to justify their attacks.. but sony's claims don't seem plausible.
key words if you don't read anything else *DENIAL OF SERVICE*
The only one who has ever said there was a denial of service attack during this time was Sony. As far as I know no one else has mentioned it, including their customers.
The attacks on the PSN/SOE servers took place between April 17th and April 19th. Sony servers did not come down until April 20th.
As far as I know there was no DOS attack on the PSN/SOE servers between April 17th and 19th and everything was running just fine. Anonymous stopped their DOS attacks on April 7th stating they were only hurting Sony customers and not Sony.
Everything about the DOS attack and any connection to Anonymous feels more like a smokescreen trying to shift blame to someone else, because Sony needs someone to blame.
"Almost two weeks ago, one or more cybercriminals gained access to PlayStation Network servers at or around the same time that these servers were experiencing denial-of-service attacks," Sony Computer Entertainment Chairman Kazuo Hirai said last week. "The Sony Network Entertainment America team did not immediately detect the criminal intrusion for several possible reasons. That may have made it more difficult to detect this intrusion quickly--all perhaps by design."
So you're saying we should take the word of known cyber-criminals who would be in deep shit if they are found to be connected with this over Sony? Sounds like they have as much to hide as Sony.
And, since you've done so much detective work you come to the conclusion that Anonymous wasn't involved? Just curious, in all that detective work did you happen to overlook how Anonymous had threatened, right before the hack occured, to hack Sony, take down their network, and get executive family member names in response to the lawsuit Sony filed against them?
Nah, it wasn't Anonymous. Yea, it was just some 17 year old kid in Hungary acting all alone. Sure, it was.
Anonymous has done enough things to be in deep shit over, this would just add to the list. Its probably safe to say the majority of the group did not support this attack. Most of them would not want to screw people out of a month+ of entertainment. But there is an extremely strong chance some small part of the group did commit this attack.
Its possible someone could have tried to frame anonymous of course, but if you were a hacker would you want anonymous your enemy?
Anonymous don't steal credit card infomation, they had access to the DDos previous to the attack but nothing else, and Sony have only brought this on themselves with there lame security. Hopefully this will teach them that security isn't a joke and needs to be updated and upgraded all the time to keep up with the latest threats.
dude no matter what hacker can hack into anything its the internet and we in there play ground so dont matter how much stuff you have to protect you you still get hacked :P. internet is power if its in the right hands and if he knows how to manage information well he can crack into anything so. yep dont matter what you do nothing safe on the internet
Maybe the denial of service attack contributed to the theft.. because whoever was suppose to be monitoring the network security was distracted... but that's still partially sony's fault as well.
They need to delegate tasks so people are covering all the bases. That is if they had enough IT staff.. if they weren't undermanned maybe this wouldn't have been a problem.
but a denial of service attack is pretty low brow compared to stealing the data base so you can be fairly sure it wasn't a large group of people trying to steal those numbers.
Basic robber movie stuff , more people in on the heist.. more people who can talk / snitch >_>
I wonder if the hackers would back down if Sony stopped chasing the scalp of the guy who cracked PS3? They can't do it without losing face but they are ruined by these attacks either. Lose - lose. If Sony bends to the will of the Anynomous, I don't know if it is a good thing or bad. God bless Sony!
The only one who has ever said there was a denial of service attack during this time was Sony. As far as I know no one else has mentioned it, including their customers.
The attacks on the PSN/SOE servers took place between April 17th and April 19th. Sony servers did not come down until April 20th.
As far as I know there was no DOS attack on the PSN/SOE servers between April 17th and 19th and everything was running just fine. Anonymous stopped their DOS attacks on April 7th stating they were only hurting Sony customers and not Sony.
Everything about the DOS attack and any connection to Anonymous feels more like a smokescreen trying to shift blame to someone else, because Sony needs someone to blame.
"Almost two weeks ago, one or more cybercriminals gained access to PlayStation Network servers at or around the same time that these servers were experiencing denial-of-service attacks," Sony Computer Entertainment Chairman Kazuo Hirai said last week. "The Sony Network Entertainment America team did not immediately detect the criminal intrusion for several possible reasons. That may have made it more difficult to detect this intrusion quickly--all perhaps by design."
So you're saying we should take the word of known cyber-criminals who would be in deep shit if they are found to be connected with this over Sony? Sounds like they have as much to hide as Sony.
And, since you've done so much detective work you come to the conclusion that Anonymous wasn't involved? Just curious, in all that detective work did you happen to overlook how Anonymous had threatened, right before the hack occured, to hack Sony, take down their network, and get executive family member names in response to the lawsuit Sony filed against them?
Nah, it wasn't Anonymous. Yea, it was just some 17 year old kid in Hungary acting all alone. Sure, it was.
I'm not saying it wasn't Anonymous, but right now the information doesn't support it.
Anonymous stopped their denial of service attack on April 7th and publically said they didn't want to harm Sony customers, just Sony. Stealing customer information and auctioning it, doesn't really fit what Anonymous does and screws over customers worse than the DOS attacks.
Despite Sonys claims that they were "distracted" by a denial of service attack, there doesn't look to have been a DOS attack on April 17th through April 19th. This really looks like Sony is lying in an effort to find someone or something to take some of the heat off them.
I doubt it was some 17 year old acting on his own, but just because someone was hacked doesn't mean anonymous was behind it. Based on the available information, the leading theory is that it was profit motivated professional hackers.
Based on the available information, the leading theory is that it was profit motivated professional hackers.
Whose 'leading theory' is that? Why would you even think that? the evidence points the exact opposite direction because nothing has been done with the stolen cc numbers. if profit were the motivation people would have had their CCs charged and debited long before SoE even realized there was a hack. Thise numbers would have been used/sold FAST.
The facts so far point to: people from Anonymous not acting under the group's wishes
Someone trying to make anonymous look bad (and hurt Sony in the process)
Based on the available information, the leading theory is that it was profit motivated professional hackers.
Whose 'leading theory' is that? Why would you even think that? the evidence points the exact opposite direction because nothing has been done with the stolen cc numbers. if profit were the motivation people would have had their CCs charged and debited long before SoE even realized there was a hack. Thise numbers would have been used/sold FAST.
The facts so far point to: people from Anonymous not acting under the group's wishes
Someone trying to make anonymous look bad (and hurt Sony in the process)
There have already been reports of the customer information being offered for sale. The identity information is more valuable and usable than the credit card information.
How do you explain that there was no denial of service attack when Sony claims there was? You know, the huge denial of service attack that "distracted" Sony? This is the big smoking gun about anonymous being involved, but it looks like Sony if flat out lying.
Seems that the playstation network was running just fine and there was no denial of service attack. The attack that you claim puts Anonymous right in the middle of this attack. So how do you explain this fabrication?
Based on the available information, the leading theory is that it was profit motivated professional hackers.
Whose 'leading theory' is that? Why would you even think that? the evidence points the exact opposite direction because nothing has been done with the stolen cc numbers. if profit were the motivation people would have had their CCs charged and debited long before SoE even realized there was a hack. Thise numbers would have been used/sold FAST.
The facts so far point to: people from Anonymous not acting under the group's wishes
Someone trying to make anonymous look bad (and hurt Sony in the process)
There have already been reports of the customer information being offered for sale. The identity information is more valuable and usable than the credit card information.
How do you explain that there was no denial of service attack when Sony claims there was? You know, the huge denial of service attack that "distracted" Sony? This is the big smoking gun about anonymous being involved, but it looks like Sony if flat out lying.
Seems that the playstation network was running just fine and there was no denial of service attack. The attack that you claim puts Anonymous right in the middle of this attack. So how do you explain this fabrication?
No, the thing that points to anonymous's involvement is the file put on the server. Which yes, could have been someone framing anonymous but that is a fight most hackers would not want to pick especially if they were going to sell that information. And the 'reports' that the information has been placed for sale? Like the reports that Sony was running outdated version of apache?
I wonder if the hackers would back down if Sony stopped chasing the scalp of the guy who cracked PS3? They can't do it without losing face but they are ruined by these attacks either. Lose - lose. If Sony bends to the will of the Anynomous, I don't know if it is a good thing or bad. Good, I guess... The little guy wins, the big corporation loses.
I have come the concussion Sony is NOT at Fault. I'm 100% confident on the issue they had firm security protection measures in place comparably to other companies in similar size. There is strong indication that it was a "rootkit" level of cyberattack explaining why firewall protection or any other intrusion detection system are useless from this type of attack. "Rootkits" are notorious for hiding processes from the kernel.
I do everything in my power to keep my private info and my family safe on the internet.
Really? Everything in your power? So then why does Sony even have your information at all? If you were that concerned you would have given false information.
No, the thing that points to anonymous's involvement is the file put on the server. Which yes, could have been someone framing anonymous but that is a fight most hackers would not want to pick especially if they were going to sell that information. And the 'reports' that the information has been placed for sale? Like the reports that Sony was running outdated version of apache?
Can you at least admit that Sony was not being truthful about the denail of service attacks? That used to be your key point that Anonymous was involved, but now you won't even mention it. What gives?
So now the proof is this mysterious file found on the Sony servers that hints it might be Anonymous. Are we now supposed to believe Sonys word after they just lied about the denial of service attack?
Also, since when did Anonymous stop taking credit for their actions? These guys are so full of themselves, they actually have press releases. Think about that, they have actual press releases to communicate with the entire world. Not only about the actions they have taken, but the future actions they plan on engaging in.
Don't be naive. Sony desperately needs to put a face on the hackers. Until someone is caught for this, customers will focus entierly on Sonys incompetence and that is all they will remember.
As for the reports of the information being for sale, just how do you think Sony found out about the intrusion in the first place? They didn't shut the servers down until the dat after the intrusions, so what do you think keyed them into it?
Just ask SOE about the 2,500 names posted that canceled their plans to bring the servers up last week.
I do everything in my power to keep my private info and my family safe on the internet.
Really? Everything in your power? So then why does Sony even have your information at all? If you were that concerned you would have given false information.
Ye i think that what a lot of people will do now, me included. For an unknow reason i though they check the card owner info and if they don't match refuse the payement, but in fact they don't. I used to pay with my parent card the first years i played mmos.
I have come the concussion Sony is NOT at Fault. I'm 100% confident on the issue they had firm security protection measures in place comparably to other companies in similar size. There is strong indication that it was a "rootkit" level of cyberattack explaining why firewall protection or any other intrusion detection system are useless from this type of attack. "Rootkits" are notorious for hiding processes from the kernel.
It is nice that you just joined the forums today and are confident that Sony isn't at fault, but do you have anything to support that?
Seeing that Sony chief information officer openly admitted to the press that the Sony servers were running known vulnerabilities and they should have been doing more to secure their servers, I have to disagree with your conclusion. It would appear Sony does as well.
It would be very fateful if Sony was hacked as the result of a rootkit. Seeing that they screwed up the computers of their customers with their own rootkit, but I don't think your theory holds true.
I do everything in my power to keep my private info and my family safe on the internet.
Wow... so if someone breaks into your house and steals your Rolodex, those contacts should have the right to sue you?
I'm no fan of SOE, but that point of view seems a bit messed up, to me.
They do have the right to sue you if you made any statement that their info would be safe or protected by you, obviously. They could also sue if they could show that in the course of your business that it was reasonable to expect you to do so and you did not.
I have come the concussion Sony is NOT at Fault. I'm 100% confident on the issue they had firm security protection measures in place comparably to other companies in similar size. There is strong indication that it was a "rootkit" level of cyberattack explaining why firewall protection or any other intrusion detection system are useless from this type of attack. "Rootkits" are notorious for hiding processes from the kernel.
It is nice that you just joined the forums today and are confident that Sony isn't at fault, but do you have anything to support that?
Seeing that Sony chief information officer openly admitted to the press that the Sony servers were running known vulnerabilities and they should have been doing more to secure their servers, I have to disagree with your conclusion. It would appear Sony does as well.
It would be very fateful if Sony was hacked as the result of a rootkit. Seeing that they screwed up the computers of their customers with their own rootkit, but I don't think your theory holds true.
Those vulnerabilities can easily be caused by a lazy admin not making sure everything is up to date. It's not like the CEO or Chief Information Officer are going to know whats going on with the thousands of systems they have if the people under them are not telling them. I'm going to hold off until the FBI's findings come to light. Which leads to another thing. Sony isn't going to be able to just say "Anon did it" and lie about files named "We are Legion" with the FBI looking over their sholder.
No, the thing that points to anonymous's involvement is the file put on the server. Which yes, could have been someone framing anonymous but that is a fight most hackers would not want to pick especially if they were going to sell that information. And the 'reports' that the information has been placed for sale? Like the reports that Sony was running outdated version of apache?
Can you at least admit that Sony was not being truthful about the denail of service attacks? That used to be your key point that Anonymous was involved, but now you won't even mention it. What gives?
So now the proof is this mysterious file found on the Sony servers that hints it might be Anonymous. Are we now supposed to believe Sonys word after they just lied about the denial of service attack?
Also, since when did Anonymous stop taking credit for their actions? These guys are so full of themselves, they actually have press releases. Think about that, they have actual press releases to communicate with the entire world. Not only about the actions they have taken, but the future actions they plan on engaging in.
Don't be naive. Sony desperately needs to put a face on the hackers. Until someone is caught for this, customers will focus entierly on Sonys incompetence and that is all they will remember.
As for the reports of the information being for sale, just how do you think Sony found out about the intrusion in the first place? They didn't shut the servers down until the dat after the intrusions, so what do you think keyed them into it?
Just ask SOE about the 2,500 names posted that canceled their plans to bring the servers up last week.
What exactly is untruthful about Anonymous being responsible for the DDoS attacks? Wether or not the DDoS attacks made it easier for the hack and Sony being truthful about it is irrelevant.
Given they know what Anonymous can do it is highly unlikely they would say there is a file if there was not a file. And Anonymous has even said its a possibility that it was their members, it just wasn't sanctioned by the group.
And those 2500 names? You do know they werent part of the hack right? And why would you use SoE's name when it most likely wasn't even related to SoE, or even SCEI?
Yes Anonymous was engaging in a denial of service attack... TWO WEEKS before the Sony network servers were hacked. There simply was no DOS attack during that intrusion that "disatracted" Sony like they claim. It is a bullshit claim in an attempt to find some... anyone for customers to be angry at.
Like I said, it might have been Anonymous, but the information doesn't support that. You really are grasping at straws here.
I mentioned SOE, because information surfaced from one of their databases. A 2001 sweepstakes if I recall right. Seems relevent enough to mention them in light of that, agree?
probably been said several times but in principle its not much different than a terrorist group that attacks a target to force something to change to fit their particular view. they [hackers] do not help things and the Robin Hood of the movies never existed. They are in it for their own selfish reasons. if you think they are doing something for the "little guy" then you are sadly mistaken.
Like I said, it might have been Anonymous, but the information doesn't support that. You really are grasping at straws here.
I mentioned SOE, because information surfaced from one of their databases. A 2001 sweepstakes if I recall right. Seems relevent enough to mention them in light of that, agree?
Really, the fact that Sony was already attacked by Anonymous and the fact that there was a file planted linking to Anonymous means Im grasping at straws? When you claim the information was for profit when there is no evidence of that at this time? Not saying its not a possibility, but I dont see any evidence that points to it.
And where has SoE been linked to the 2001 database? Every report I have seen says it is from a Sony product sweepstakes but does not pin it to which branch of Sony.
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Yeah kids...the one doing the hacking. I'm sorry that living in a sheltered world causes people to have an overly vicitimized sensability. Boycotting doesn't do much and this applies even moreso to international companies, as different cultures will have other considerations. What you really need to do is quit letting people form your decisions for you.
The 20 something year old kid is being used for cracking the ps3. Sony comes out and QQ "Anonymous" about the hack. Then "Anonymous" publicaly denounces the hack which is they have never had trouble taking blame...With that statement i think Anonymous should sue them for defemation of character. You should look at Sony's subholdings and employee injury statistics and then tell me about honorable.
"Anonymous" is not a suspect in the eyes of Sony just an easy public figure to point a finger at. Which is why they have hired some private security firm to locate the 17 year hungarian who brought it down.
"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither." - Ben Franklin
So when does Lucas Arts get their lesson? look out SWTOR players
"Almost two weeks ago, one or more cybercriminals gained access to PlayStation Network servers at or around the same time that these servers were experiencing denial-of-service attacks," Sony Computer Entertainment Chairman Kazuo Hirai said last week. "The Sony Network Entertainment America team did not immediately detect the criminal intrusion for several possible reasons. That may have made it more difficult to detect this intrusion quickly--all perhaps by design."
Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20061518-260.html#ixzz1M6NwYl3e
So you're saying we should take the word of known cyber-criminals who would be in deep shit if they are found to be connected with this over Sony? Sounds like they have as much to hide as Sony.
And, since you've done so much detective work you come to the conclusion that Anonymous wasn't involved? Just curious, in all that detective work did you happen to overlook how Anonymous had threatened, right before the hack occured, to hack Sony, take down their network, and get executive family member names in response to the lawsuit Sony filed against them?
Nah, it wasn't Anonymous. Yea, it was just some 17 year old kid in Hungary acting all alone. Sure, it was.
Just take a second to think about it..
Stealing a huge data base.. during a denial of service attack...
How are they going to steal all that data if they can't even connect because there isn't any service?
I'm not supporting anonymous or trying to justify their attacks.. but sony's claims don't seem plausible.
key words if you don't read anything else *DENIAL OF SERVICE*
Anonymous has done enough things to be in deep shit over, this would just add to the list. Its probably safe to say the majority of the group did not support this attack. Most of them would not want to screw people out of a month+ of entertainment. But there is an extremely strong chance some small part of the group did commit this attack.
Its possible someone could have tried to frame anonymous of course, but if you were a hacker would you want anonymous your enemy?
dude no matter what hacker can hack into anything its the internet and we in there play ground so dont matter how much stuff you have to protect you you still get hacked :P. internet is power if its in the right hands and if he knows how to manage information well he can crack into anything so. yep dont matter what you do nothing safe on the internet
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Maybe the denial of service attack contributed to the theft.. because whoever was suppose to be monitoring the network security was distracted... but that's still partially sony's fault as well.
They need to delegate tasks so people are covering all the bases. That is if they had enough IT staff.. if they weren't undermanned maybe this wouldn't have been a problem.
but a denial of service attack is pretty low brow compared to stealing the data base so you can be fairly sure it wasn't a large group of people trying to steal those numbers.
Basic robber movie stuff , more people in on the heist.. more people who can talk / snitch >_>
I wonder if the hackers would back down if Sony stopped chasing the scalp of the guy who cracked PS3? They can't do it without losing face but they are ruined by these attacks either. Lose - lose. If Sony bends to the will of the Anynomous, I don't know if it is a good thing or bad. God bless Sony!
I'm not saying it wasn't Anonymous, but right now the information doesn't support it.
Anonymous stopped their denial of service attack on April 7th and publically said they didn't want to harm Sony customers, just Sony. Stealing customer information and auctioning it, doesn't really fit what Anonymous does and screws over customers worse than the DOS attacks.
Despite Sonys claims that they were "distracted" by a denial of service attack, there doesn't look to have been a DOS attack on April 17th through April 19th. This really looks like Sony is lying in an effort to find someone or something to take some of the heat off them.
I doubt it was some 17 year old acting on his own, but just because someone was hacked doesn't mean anonymous was behind it. Based on the available information, the leading theory is that it was profit motivated professional hackers.
Whose 'leading theory' is that? Why would you even think that? the evidence points the exact opposite direction because nothing has been done with the stolen cc numbers. if profit were the motivation people would have had their CCs charged and debited long before SoE even realized there was a hack. Thise numbers would have been used/sold FAST.
The facts so far point to: people from Anonymous not acting under the group's wishes
Someone trying to make anonymous look bad (and hurt Sony in the process)
There have already been reports of the customer information being offered for sale. The identity information is more valuable and usable than the credit card information.
How do you explain that there was no denial of service attack when Sony claims there was? You know, the huge denial of service attack that "distracted" Sony? This is the big smoking gun about anonymous being involved, but it looks like Sony if flat out lying.
Seems that the playstation network was running just fine and there was no denial of service attack. The attack that you claim puts Anonymous right in the middle of this attack. So how do you explain this fabrication?
No, the thing that points to anonymous's involvement is the file put on the server. Which yes, could have been someone framing anonymous but that is a fight most hackers would not want to pick especially if they were going to sell that information. And the 'reports' that the information has been placed for sale? Like the reports that Sony was running outdated version of apache?
Wow... so if someone breaks into your house and steals your Rolodex, those contacts should have the right to sue you?
I'm no fan of SOE, but that point of view seems a bit messed up, to me.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2011/04/sony-ps3-hacker-george-hotz-reach-settlement.ars
I have come the concussion Sony is NOT at Fault. I'm 100% confident on the issue they had firm security protection measures in place comparably to other companies in similar size. There is strong indication that it was a "rootkit" level of cyberattack explaining why firewall protection or any other intrusion detection system are useless from this type of attack. "Rootkits" are notorious for hiding processes from the kernel.
Really? Everything in your power? So then why does Sony even have your information at all? If you were that concerned you would have given false information.
Can you at least admit that Sony was not being truthful about the denail of service attacks? That used to be your key point that Anonymous was involved, but now you won't even mention it. What gives?
So now the proof is this mysterious file found on the Sony servers that hints it might be Anonymous. Are we now supposed to believe Sonys word after they just lied about the denial of service attack?
Also, since when did Anonymous stop taking credit for their actions? These guys are so full of themselves, they actually have press releases. Think about that, they have actual press releases to communicate with the entire world. Not only about the actions they have taken, but the future actions they plan on engaging in.
Don't be naive. Sony desperately needs to put a face on the hackers. Until someone is caught for this, customers will focus entierly on Sonys incompetence and that is all they will remember.
As for the reports of the information being for sale, just how do you think Sony found out about the intrusion in the first place? They didn't shut the servers down until the dat after the intrusions, so what do you think keyed them into it?
Just ask SOE about the 2,500 names posted that canceled their plans to bring the servers up last week.
Ye i think that what a lot of people will do now, me included. For an unknow reason i though they check the card owner info and if they don't match refuse the payement, but in fact they don't. I used to pay with my parent card the first years i played mmos.
It is nice that you just joined the forums today and are confident that Sony isn't at fault, but do you have anything to support that?
Seeing that Sony chief information officer openly admitted to the press that the Sony servers were running known vulnerabilities and they should have been doing more to secure their servers, I have to disagree with your conclusion. It would appear Sony does as well.
It would be very fateful if Sony was hacked as the result of a rootkit. Seeing that they screwed up the computers of their customers with their own rootkit, but I don't think your theory holds true.
They do have the right to sue you if you made any statement that their info would be safe or protected by you, obviously. They could also sue if they could show that in the course of your business that it was reasonable to expect you to do so and you did not.
Those vulnerabilities can easily be caused by a lazy admin not making sure everything is up to date. It's not like the CEO or Chief Information Officer are going to know whats going on with the thousands of systems they have if the people under them are not telling them. I'm going to hold off until the FBI's findings come to light. Which leads to another thing. Sony isn't going to be able to just say "Anon did it" and lie about files named "We are Legion" with the FBI looking over their sholder.
My theme song.
What exactly is untruthful about Anonymous being responsible for the DDoS attacks? Wether or not the DDoS attacks made it easier for the hack and Sony being truthful about it is irrelevant.
Given they know what Anonymous can do it is highly unlikely they would say there is a file if there was not a file. And Anonymous has even said its a possibility that it was their members, it just wasn't sanctioned by the group.
And those 2500 names? You do know they werent part of the hack right? And why would you use SoE's name when it most likely wasn't even related to SoE, or even SCEI?
Yes Anonymous was engaging in a denial of service attack... TWO WEEKS before the Sony network servers were hacked. There simply was no DOS attack during that intrusion that "disatracted" Sony like they claim. It is a bullshit claim in an attempt to find some... anyone for customers to be angry at.
Like I said, it might have been Anonymous, but the information doesn't support that. You really are grasping at straws here.
I mentioned SOE, because information surfaced from one of their databases. A 2001 sweepstakes if I recall right. Seems relevent enough to mention them in light of that, agree?
probably been said several times but in principle its not much different than a terrorist group that attacks a target to force something to change to fit their particular view. they [hackers] do not help things and the Robin Hood of the movies never existed. They are in it for their own selfish reasons. if you think they are doing something for the "little guy" then you are sadly mistaken.
Really, the fact that Sony was already attacked by Anonymous and the fact that there was a file planted linking to Anonymous means Im grasping at straws? When you claim the information was for profit when there is no evidence of that at this time? Not saying its not a possibility, but I dont see any evidence that points to it.
And where has SoE been linked to the 2001 database? Every report I have seen says it is from a Sony product sweepstakes but does not pin it to which branch of Sony.