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So what's up with troopers? Did I miss something?
mm0wiggins
Member Posts: 270
Just a quick question -
Didn't the storm troopers originate from the clone project? That was around episode 1-3. SWTOR takes place thousands of years before any of that took place, right? So, how can storm troopers be in the game as a playable character if the clone project hasn't happened yet?
Are these troopers just normal dudes?
This is not a troll, flame, or anything else worth banning me over. It is simply my pure opinion, and I have a right to share it.
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Yes, these are just regular Troopers. Recruited, equipped, and sent to the frontlines.
thanks for the quick reply.
I guess I just assumed they were the same because, well, they look the same. I only read 2 star wars novels so I am not very versed in much of the lore, and I don't remember reading much about storm troopers existing back in the old republic.
My bad for being a lore noob. thx
This is not a troll, flame, or anything else worth banning me over. It is simply my pure opinion, and I have a right to share it.
the storm trooper armor is off older designs. As with much of Star Wars progression in technology has stopped, but refinement of what they have continues. That is why things look the same ingeneral through the centuries, but is more streamlined and flashier as it gets refined.
One of the elements I find amusing is when titles are developed much later than another yet, timeline wise are supposed to occur WAY before. However, all of the ships, armor, weapons, etc. look far more sophisticated and advanced than those supposedly designed thousands of years later. Advances in game and movie technology are to blame really. Watch the last three films and 90% of the stuff seems more advanced than A New Hope. Same with TOR. Meh, I am sure some one will come along shortly and try to explain it all away with some rendition of fluctuating technological norms. However, I really don't think that in 200 years we will be back to Commodore 64s coordinating military strikes of catapults.
Only thing i would point to would be the dark Ages here. Romans and Greeks were much more advanced than the later Europeans. Lack of supplies because the Empire strangles trade and progress could force people to revert to older tech and have to scavage for parts to build ships that look junkier than ships built in a stable Republic where trade and parts flow freely.
Actually I'd expect someone to say what I'm about to. It's make believe with that comes inconsistency. The ships in A New Hope were drawn back in the 70's, the ships used in the newer movies were designed in the late 90's. Peoples visions change as does what is asthetically pleasing to the eye. I don't think (most) people really care whether a ship looks newer than one that's supposed to be from a later period, they care if it looks cool or not and that's about it.
I will say though in terms of lore, The old republic era was supposed to be a golden time period for the SW Universe, which would mean IMO tech would be more sophisticated. Where as in the earlier trilogy, everyone is making do with scraps they can find, as most actual development is done for the Empire, which if you compare an older Star destroyer from ep1 to the newer ones in ep4 the older are more bulky where as the newer are a tad sleeker looking.
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It's like you say, the originals looked more primitive because rl technology was more primitive at the time, there's nothing to do about it.
It's fiction, just accept it as it is, you can hardly expect them not to use modern technology to create the game.
And for those lore nerds who absolutely want an explanation: there is plenty of that available in the expanded universe, it's a matter of whether you try to find the ways it COULD have happened or the ways it COULD NOT have happened. You should seriously consider asking yourself if you're just trolling or arguing for arguing's sake in the latter case however.
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I am accused of trolling when people aren't even bothering to read my entire post. And I quote myself, "Advances in game and movie technology are to blame really." I completely agree that a lot of the discrepancies are due to what 'could' be done then and what could be done now as far as special effects and graphics. Never argued that. My comment was simply based on technological anthropology. I liked the gentleman's comment on the dark ages. My question would be that development vacuums such as that tend to be based on not only a lack of funds for research but usually also requires completely isolation from more advanced areas. This sort of isolation was possible here on Earth but in a world were thousands of species all interact with one another a lull in development within one culture would quickly be filled with the advances of another. That is the reality of statistics. The more variables entered into the equation the faster an equilibrium is found. Such catastrophic dives in technology are not only highly unlikely in a world such as Star Wars they would be near impossible. Especially if you factor in that it is during times of war that the greatest advancements are most often made. Such a violent time for the universe would invariably spark huge jumps in development. An interesting topic to be sure. But don't take it personally. Why do forum readers immediately have to put their dukes up everytime anyone discusses their favorite fiction? Such a violent society.
The funny thing about the Star Wars tech tree is that the ships in the final episodes are better than the ones in the early episodes. Even G. Lucas explained it that it was a more elegant period. Even though no doubt time and movie making tech is better is why the ships look better. I could live with his explaination of the different styles. He sorta put it like the ships and armor designs in the future movies. (ep.4-6) Were made in a time where their was little care for astetics, and the past movies. (ep.1-3) the designers took more time on the looks of things. Even though the ARC-170 starfighter looked better than the X-wing fighter, The X-wing would out perform the much much older ARC-170. G. Lucas even made a car comparison in his explaination, but I forget what he said. That said, again it is all make believe. Though I could live with how G.L. put it. His explaination made sense to me.
I don't know much specifc of the SW fiction but I think the Trooper armor design is off the Mandalorian aromr design. I think the Mandalorians were around thousands of years in the SW past it just sorta makes sense to me that the governments would design there armors the same. I don't know just guessing at that though. The thing I think is funny is how this topic comes up every so often. Even if you go by things the characters say in the movies it sorta makes sense as to why things look better in the past of the Star Wars fiction. It was a more elegant time.
SWTOR is set thousands of years before the movies.
There are no storm troopers. Only Troopers. Regular soldiers.
Thats true for Star Trek.
For Star Wars ? Not so much.
The new triology has more, well, stylish spacecrafts. But they dont look BETTER. They just have more chrome and stuff.
But nothing looks as cool as the original Millenium Falcon.
Much unlike the ENT Enterprise, which looks extremely much better than the original TOS Enterprise. In fact the ENT Enterprise looks cooler than any other Enterprise, or the Intrepid class "Voyager".
Storm Troopers were only in the movies because they were all clones man. as for SWTOR there just troopers becuase they take place 3000 years before the movies so they were called troopers not storm troopers like in the movies which got there name from darth vador even in clone wars series they were just called troopers not storm troopers untill the last 3 movies. so i highly doubt any of the troopers will be called a storm trooper unless you role play your char that way.
Actually, consider the possibility of a third world war where there have been enough nuclear exchanges to destroy much of our technology without actually destroying the whole world. It would be easy to see how technology could revert back to more primitive forms. It doesn't even have to be a case of war, it could be famine, disease, an asteroid impact, a world wide economic collapse, or who knows what else. The Star Wars universe is much older than ours and it's entirely possible that it's gone through technological shfits due to the same types of things. Given enough time it wil happen in the real world. It's not a question of if, but a question of when.
The only difference between a trooper and a storm trooper is a reference to likening them to the Pre-Nazi Germany Storm Troopers. As the Star Wars Storm Troopers were suppose to mimic their real life counterparts in the way they behave to fit the profile of a villainous armed force.
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