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Actually, a ton of games have been hated in the past pre launch, some epicly so (Darkfall and Vanguard anyone? Those boards would would have made a Rift fan cry in their day), and a few are even generally loved and respected post launch (EvE comes to mind), so I don't think this reasoning holds up either.
Like I say, people just 'hate'on Rift because it's boring. Lets stop for looking for themes and higher reasons. A lot of people just find it a dull and insepid little game.
With all these anti theme-parkers about, you'd think they would be away playing Eartrise or Mortal Online *snicker*
I've said it before and will say it again:
We shouldn't glorify games that haven't come any further in seven years--and even longer since WoW didn't create a lot of things--than better graphics (and there are those who whould say WoW has better graphics but they are probably fanboys of WoW).
Even worse, practically noone writes negative reviews of RIFT. If the review sites are with the players, they'd pass along the idea that a large portion of the playerbase wants change. Even if the companies can't think of new things, there are more sources than warcraft even if they aren't billion dollar ventures.
Spec'ing properly is a gateway drug.
12 Million People have been meter spammed in heroics.
It is not a fetch n kill quest system. Events spawn and players react to em and depending upon their reaction will determin the next stage. While it has similarities to Themepark MMO quest system it does have a whole seperate mechanics to it as they will almost always be different, equating to a different experience.
There are many other features that makes GW2 a non Themepark MMO. Personal quest story line, combat mechanics, no rush to lvl cap just to do an endless gear grinding cycle to name a few.
Themepark MMOs is that linear questing progression to lvl cap just to start that endless gear grinding cycle is what I consider Themepark MMOs which is something that isn't GW2.
Farmville? Really? You really want to bring social networking games into this? Farmville isn't built for the core gamer, its built for the most casual of gamers, and if those elements are what you're looking for then you have them squared away in a nice little social networking package for you.
What Farmville has isn't something I would spend any serious amount of time on, and while that style of gaming may be more widespread due to the demographic being larger -- people on social networks through a browser or cell phone, as opposed to people with core gaming PCs or Consoles, its not exactly a model I'd like to see MMORPGs take note of.
These games keep people not because they are exceptional, but that they are easily accessible and simplistic with specific timesinks. If you're trying to say MMOs need to be more like farmville then I fear your priorities are very skewed.
Saying that Rift is boring is not bashing, it is telling the truth, since everyone that do not like it seems to indicate that as a reason, so there must be something truthful in it.
It is a common theme.
Darkfall was a proper bashing, any reason was good to beat the game on the head.
Yet it didn't became the next WoW..............
So if you want to be delusional keep doing that.
The fact that after one month Rift is the only MMO that offered free trials and a lot of buddy keys should tell you that the game is starting to lose its momentum already
I am not surprised and I can predict a huge amount of server mergers within 2 months.
Wanna bet?
Am I saying that because I hate Trion or Rift?
No, I am saying that because I believe the game is boring and players will quit the game because of that.
It is a prediction, not a wish..............
Rift is far from perfect however I think the above has a lot to do with the amounts of negativity surrounding the game. I was dumbfounded with the amount of people at this site ripping Rift apart every chance they got, and then seeing the same people in the Xsyon forum hyping that game! WHAT??? So you hate the finished, polished, customer support friendly game, but love the unfinished, never going to be finished, rollbacking, nothing to do but craft game? Yeah right, whatever.
Alot are just disappointed and do not know how to express their feelings without being angry.
As a casual player, I am really enjoying playing around in Rift. It's a very clean game that entertains. Groundbreaking? No. It's like WoW 2.0 in my eyes.
I'm personally waiting for Guild Wars 2 to come out, and then I will be done with Rift. I refuse to bash it though. Most people who do spent way too much time in WoW, and it's just not different enough for them.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
Honestly, it IS getting bashed as much as/if not more than WoW and it's not even out yet. Just read the forums. Sooooo many rants about the game, how it looks, how the combat feels, etc. all over a game yet to see gold status. Cracks me up.
On the Rift note, it is just the "newest" MMO and they all fall into this bash window post release. It will fade over time and when other bigger and better games come along. I enjoyed my 2 months in Rift. I just don't see myself playing it for a long time until they add a whole new leveling path or more upper end content that doesn't have a dungeon or Invasion in it's title.
Why wasnt this closed for baiting?? anyways people on mmorpg.com bash anything good or bad.
I am a little afraid though that people who play Rift are all moving to GW2 it seems :S i really dont like the Rift community.
Playing: PO, EVE
Waiting for: WoD
Favourite MMOs: VG, EVE, FE and DDO
Any person who expresses rage and loathing for an MMO is preposterous. He or she is like a person who has put on full armor and attacked a hot fudge sundae.
There you go.
That's the Rift current player base.
This is the same player base that jump from Warhammer to AoC, to STO to DC Universe.
Rift cannot attract the "other" type of player base unfortunately, the one that actually stick with a game for more than a couple of months and the one that actually pay a subscription
That's why I predict lots of server mergers in the next couple of months.
PS: Mindtrigger I took you as an example, it wasn't personal at all, you just rappresent the majority of current MMO players that developers are desperatly trying to please but they will never be able to keep for more than few months.
You made me laugh and your logic is at the very least somewhat solid. However, in general chat channels WoW is sitll the topic in most MMO's. Which is why I turn them off because I get so sick of playing a game to constantly hear about a game we aren't even playing.
Beyond that depends on how you want to define "good game".
Is a game good becuase you enjoy it? Or is it good because it was a made for profit product that actually met the companies expectations....
I'll use TOR as an example. Say the game launches you play it and think its the greatest game ever. Yet just for an example let's say after 3 months it could only retain 100,000 subscribers.
Would it be a good game because you love it so much... or would it be a bad game because they wanted at least 500,000 subscribers and only held 100,000.
I use this example because the desired numbers were mentioned by the CEO of EA so its an easy to use one. I also think it would be nice to have some real definition of what makes a game.. good or bad.
Or could we just call that personal opinion versus corporate fact? Like how I loved Earth and Beyond but it closed.. or how the few shows on TV I ever like get canceled right off... and replaced by total crap.
It just goes to show, the only opinion that matters when it comes to play or not to play is your own. Now I'll get taken to the concentration camp where all the people that find out the truth. You can read all the reviews you want from mmorpg.com, and the numerous other sites/mags. Nothing competes with getting your hands dirty.
As for being old and jaded, I don't know if old has anything to do about it. Been playing MMOs for ~20 years since Neverwinter Nights came out on AOL...ah the memories...yeah you're right, all new games stink now. Bring back Neverwinter Nights, Rogue, and numerous MUDs I used to play back in the day. I'm so jaded
100% Spot on!
I admit I'm in the same boat with MindTrigger. I subbed for 6 months because I knew there was no way I'd play the game longer than that. Now I'm a little upset I subbed for so long because I can't see myself playing for more than 3-4 months now that I've had a genuine taste of the game.
I wasn't responding to the OP I was responding to your comment. I think the OP was trolling and baiting myself and this thread should be locked. As for you trying to refute my comment I think as I stated you presume that a large portion of players that visit this site are jaded or veteran players that outright hate themeparks. I think you would include me in that lot. I hate the current iteration of games being released because they follow the same paradigm as we have seen over the last few years. That does not mean I hate all themeparks. I said I think they can be made better. I said what I thought was their biggest failings and I suspect that others feel(many others) as I do and would like to see a little more effort put into providing a better end game.
Even as I write this the biggest complaint from many players is discovering that the Warhammers, Aion's and Rift's are just rehashed versions of games all ready on the market that follow the same model of game design we've seen done to death. Go back and read my initial post. I clearly state what is wrong with this model and as long as designers think that this is enough their games will continue to slip into the abyss of poorly designed and implemented games. They can join the Warhammers, the Aion's and the Rift's.
If I were you, I'd start listening to your own advice: in the post I quoted I never stated that all Rift bashers were themepark haters, I said that mmorpg.com has a larger than average amount of sandbox fans and burnt out themepark haters, and that this will lead to more bashing of such MMO's than you'll see on other sites that don't have a above-proportional amount of that kind of people.
If you want to interpret that as meaning that ALL Rift bashers are sandbox fans or themepark haters, then that's your choice. I certainly never will make that claim, it'd be foolish to believe that all Rift bashers and critics would be that, and unreasonable. The rest of your arguments are based upon that wrong interpretation of my words, so I'm not going there.
But my own comment that you replied upon was in response to the OP and to what he said.
As for you arguments of wanting better MMO's, I don't disagree with those arguments.
I disagree however with your notion that WoW-styled themepark MMO's are a failure and the reasons you give for that. For example, an Aion for example still has about 80-100 servers worldwide - yes, the world is bigger than the US, or Europe - and still generates 200+ million dollar revenue.
But however interesting as a discussion topic, that wasn't what this thread's OP was about, it wasn't about wishing for other MMO design features but about bashing Rift, and the amount it happens in.
I gave my opinion about 1 of the reasons for that. But that was about the amount of bashing, and the reason I gave doesn't exclude other reasons that people bash Rift.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
What is there to interprete? What you constantly call bashing, some of us call criticism. You always use the same keywords, bash and hate. Why use such strong language when many of us post criticism in very constructive manners. It is, saddly, people like you that make people like me, and others, appear to be more than what we are - critics of the current crop of games. This is forum and as such we should be able to critic games as we deem necessary. In the past few years, we've had plenty of games to criticize unfortunately. Vesavius is right, you do like to generalize.
You are on the boat as many MMO players because the majority of MMO players nowadays are like you (there is nothing wrong with it)
The only problem is that althogh this category is the biggest (which means lots of boxes sold) they are the ones that have the shortest subscription rate.
I find it funny that developers still do not understand that, and they they are always puzzled by the fact they lose 70% of subscription after few months.
I though it was clear by now...............
I have no idea what you are talking about OP. MMORPG.com has always been the pinnacle of online maturity and optimism in gaming. The quality of reviews on this site only mirror the epic quality, time, and resources put in to such recent successes as Warhammer Online, Star Trek Online, and one of my favorite launches of all time; Anarchy Online. It's really a shame when you have such financial disasters as World of Warcraft inspire developers to make a game just as bad, like in the case of Rift. What were the developers thinking anyway? Any game company that tries to implement popular mmorpg features with only millions of subscribers each month are obviously crazy. Time for me to go spread the word about how bad Rift really is, just right after I get this quest done. My warden/druid/justicar (<--- really fun combo FYI) is almost level 40! (<--- proof that I've played the game enough to hate it).
Lol. Yeah, I can understand why you'd agree with Vesavius, I mean, it's not as if you share the same viewpoint, right?
As for the abandoning of potential flamebait words - hater, troll, fanboi, WoW clone etc - I'm totally for that, I can fully agree with words like that not be used anymore in discussions by anyone, I wouldn't mind if they were completely banned.
But your argument goes both ways, if people present solid arguments why a (themepark) MMO is enjoyable or good, then their words should be treated as serious and valid as critics want their arguments to be treated. In reality though, you see that people among proponents as well as opponents have no regard or respect/understanding for the viewpoints of the other side. There's little 'live and let live' or 'to each their own game and fun' to be found in a lot of the debates on mmorpg.com.
imo
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Okay, at this point, the thread has become a back and forth over posters and semantics. Locking it.
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