Probably some Korean company. Star Trek Online with Diamonds. Buy your Diamonds to buff your starship! Ten dollar on PayPal last long time, we love you long time. Engage.
This made my day and is now my Facebook status. Don't worry I cited your ownership.
I thought he meant STO and NWNO, but I thought STO was released during the time.
Ok, then it is 1 AA MMO in development then. As I said in my post, not truly impressing even if it could have been worse.
Nope; STO launched in February, which was still in the same fiscal year as CO. Neither CO nor STO were in any definition AAA MMOs (or even AA or A games). If you are refering to NWN, remember that it is not going to be a MMO according to Jack; it will be an Online Multi-player Game. From what he has said so far, it will be more akin to a single-player/co-op game.
Wow that is sad co-op games, no thanks with mini maps and all. Talk about total fail right of the bat, but hey its cryptic were talking about.
Seems there's only straws left in that forum. Every single post by lifers (except like 2 users), are completely irrational and full of rainbows. There's so much spinning (by lifers) that it'd make a sober man vomit. These same people, the lifers, are acting like this, because it's fully possible that IF there's a new buyer for Cryptic, their Lifetime Subs are redundant. Cryptic folds, a new company comes in and picks it up, why the hell would they want to carry so many freeloaders along (seems to be like 75% of subs when you check the forums)? LTS money is already gone to the previous owner anyway.
One of the worst parts is the whole blaming of Atari, when Cryptic themselves promised to create MMO's in very short time (2 years per product). Then you see the usual lifers crying that Atari forced Cryptic to release early, when all they actually did was honor the contract. This is a fact, yet it's somehow totally bypassed by some lifers with good slogans like "yet Cryptic operates 2 games making a high profit". This is obviously just grasping those straws mentioned in the quote, when you got nothing else to say: lie!
One of the worst parts is the whole blaming of Atari, when Cryptic themselves promised to create MMO's in very short time (2 years per product). Then you see the usual lifers crying that Atari forced Cryptic to release early, when all they actually did was honor the contract. This is a fact, yet it's somehow totally bypassed by some lifers with good slogans like "yet Cryptic operates 2 games making a high profit". This is obviously just grasping those draws mentioned in the quote, when you got nothing else to say: lie!
Yes I just do not see how Atari can be blamed. It seemed to me early on that Atari got sold a bill of goods by Cryptic. Cryptic had 2 good IPs (especially STO) and I would not put it past the likes of Jack Emmert to sell Atari on "WoW-level" subscription numbers. When they could not deliver that, Atari got smart and cut their losses.
I completely disagree with those over there that believe both CO and STO are "making a high profit". If Cryptic were turning a profit, the financially floundering Atari would have hung onto them as a steady source of income.
Dan Stahl had once posted that the Dev team working on STO is "smaller than your average Starbucks crew". Now you know why. The company has two failing games, one of which failed as a F2P model and the other bleeding monthly subs with only a C-Store left to suck as much as they can out of lifers. This is why you saw so much stuff being pumped into the C-Store since day one. The game did not pull in the numbers that Cryptic told Atari it would. I would go so far as to say the writing was on the wall a month after STO launch when all the "pre-order exclusives" were getting dumped into the C-Store, angering those who spent a lot of money on buying the multiple box sets to get the "exclusives". Cryptic has been desperate to put as much as they can, as fast as they can into that C-Store.
Take a step back and look at the picture.STO should have been huge,cryptic messed it up beyond belief.It was awfull,they had the cheek to think they could get away with using the same engine as CO for ground combat.Star trek instanced!Exploration!Universe,ie huge.
Cryptic did everything wrong when making STO ,no company will pay for shit.
I think Gamers First or Perfect World International would be good companies to buy them. The thing is Gamers First is already trying to reboot APB and Taikodom so maybe they don't want to deal with 3 more games.
I really don't think Sony should buy them. They screw up every game they touch, look at The Matrix Online and Star Trek Online, plus they just dumped The Agency.
I think Gamers First or Perfect World International would be good companies to buy them. The thing is Gamers First is already trying to reboot APB and Taikodom so maybe they don't want to deal with 3 more games.
I really don't think Sony should buy them. They screw up every game they touch, look at The Matrix Online and Star Trek Online, plus they just dumped The Agency.
I'd love to play a new NWN game i still have nwn platium haven't played the game in awhile purely because i'm spoiled on rpgs like dragon age and stuff lol
You can't exactly look at Atari's financials and say how much Cryptic lost or gained. To start with, reading any companies financial statement is looking at smoke and mirrors. Now if you could look at their tax return you would see actual numbers.
Actually in this case you can; Atari's latest financial report (2010-2011) lists how much Cryptic made and lost for this past fiscal year, and the fiscal year prior to that. (2009-2010). Prior to this report, Cryptic's income and losses were bundled in with all of Atari's other online sales.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Wow that is sad co-op games, no thanks with mini maps and all. Talk about total fail right of the bat, but hey its cryptic were talking about.
That's not set in stone mind you; this was how Jack made it sound, and he has in the past shown that quite often he has no real clue about what's going on.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
One of the worst parts is the whole blaming of Atari, when Cryptic themselves promised to create MMO's in very short time (2 years per product). Then you see the usual lifers crying that Atari forced Cryptic to release early, when all they actually did was honor the contract. This is a fact, yet it's somehow totally bypassed by some lifers with good slogans like "yet Cryptic operates 2 games making a high profit". This is obviously just grasping those draws mentioned in the quote, when you got nothing else to say: lie!
Yes I just do not see how Atari can be blamed. It seemed to me early on that Atari got sold a bill of goods by Cryptic. Cryptic had 2 good IPs (especially STO) and I would not put it past the likes of Jack Emmert to sell Atari on "WoW-level" subscription numbers. When they could not deliver that, Atari got smart and cut their losses.
I completely disagree with those over there that believe both CO and STO are "making a high profit". If Cryptic were turning a profit, the financially floundering Atari would have hung onto them as a steady source of income.
Dan Stahl had once posted that the Dev team working on STO is "smaller than your average Starbucks crew". Now you know why. The company has two failing games, one of which failed as a F2P model and the other bleeding monthly subs with only a C-Store left to suck as much as they can out of lifers. This is why you saw so much stuff being pumped into the C-Store since day one. The game did not pull in the numbers that Cryptic told Atari it would. I would go so far as to say the writing was on the wall a month after STO launch when all the "pre-order exclusives" were getting dumped into the C-Store, angering those who spent a lot of money on buying the multiple box sets to get the "exclusives". Cryptic has been desperate to put as much as they can, as fast as they can into that C-Store.
Atari did pull some antics themselves with STO, and need to take their share of the blame; for instance there was that fiasco they had shortly after launch, and before the intial free 30 day period was up, when Atari was offering digital copies of the game with greatly extended free time.
As for the smaller crew? Most of the STO team more than likely moved on to the NWN game, despite the periodic protests from those running STO that it had a full crew (even after another dev had complained about how small the team was).
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
LOL I wish I had the money to buy Cryptic and STO, and I would seriously do the games right with the right developers compared to what they are now lol.
STO is a big laugh for a game, and their marketing at P2P + Cash Shop fails big times.
As for Champions Online it is decent but they need to update characters to look more realistic and come up with a few more ideas which I already know they would be makin buck off their games, and enough to stay open for sure with no issues.
But Cryptic meh if no one buys them out then what another HellGate London, another APB, and then what will the next people do ruin it more and ruin what customers they already have?
As for who id like to buy them, id say Activision cause in my eyes they are the only ones i feel could make something successful out of them. That and they have deep pockets XD
Activision made some decent SP RTS Star Trek games back in the day. I actually fire up ST: Armada II every once in a while. At least they have experience in making decent games based on the Trek IP.
Isn't Activision part of Blizzard now though?
No. Activision and Blizzard are both owned by Vivendi.
No one should buy cryptic. Why would you by a company that makes mediocre games and then sells them for premium prices?
Playing: PO, EVE Waiting for: WoD Favourite MMOs: VG, EVE, FE and DDO Any person who expresses rage and loathing for an MMO is preposterous. He or she is like a person who has put on full armor and attacked a hot fudge sundae.
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After doing some digging in Atari's financial reports, Hasbro's lawsuit to revoke Atari's D&D license rights is still ongoing:
Here is the relevant section:
"Hasbro, Atari’s licensor for exclusive, world-wide rights to create, design, develop, manufacture, have manufactured, market and sell digital games based upon the Dungeons & Dragons worlds, sued Atari in federal District Court in Rhode Island on December 16, 2009. Hasbro’s Complaint alleged breach of contract, asserting that Atari had entered into unapproved sublicenses, allowed access by an un-authorized sublicensee to confidential information as well as other claims such as intentional misrepresentation and an accounting of monies paid for certain activities. Hasbro is requesting that the court determine that contract can be terminated. Atari countersued Hasbro on December 22, 2009 for over $100 million in damages, alleging, among other things, breaches of contract including unapproved removal of certain Dungeons and Dragons realms, and a claim of tortious interference with Atari’s relationship with its potential sublicensees. On June 1 and 2, Atari and Hasbro engaged in mediation. Upon the conclusion of the mediation, the case had not settled. The parties continue to discuss settlement."
You can find the document here (on page 45). Also on that page is confirmation that Turbine settled its lawsuit with Atari. At the moment it still is entirely possible that we could see NWN launch, only to have Atari lose its license to D&D. There also remains the possibility of someone buying Cryptic before NWN is launched, stopping all work (at least on Cryptic's part) on the game since currently only Atari has the license to make D&D computer games. It will be interesting to see what happens.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
So if you make freemium games, it's never because you werent making money bad things happen?
In Cryptic's case they made two regular MMOs, lost money, switched one to a freemium model, and still lost money. Going the freemium route doesn't automatically mean people will suddenly want to play your game; even if they do play it, that doesn't mean they'll actually be willing to pay you money.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
I would love to see SOE take over cryptic and do some changes to STO. Turbine should be dead last in the running.
You do not want SOE to get their hands on STO. SOE is infamous for their epic fail tweaking of games until classes/races are no longer playable for long periods of time, or the complete opposite, making classes/races so OP that they can not be beat for long periods of time. Notice, I mentioned long periods of time twice, that because that is how long it will take for CS to get to you on any problem.
I loved CoH/CoV, made by Cryptic. STO was rather a let down but had nice visual effects. Some small balancing would have made the game much more nice. Never really got into CoX, whatever that was. Champions Online?
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Hell no. /points to DA2 and that F***#$# rail shooter SWTOR
This made my day and is now my Facebook status. Don't worry I cited your ownership.
Wow that is sad co-op games, no thanks with mini maps and all. Talk about total fail right of the bat, but hey its cryptic were talking about.
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=216138 Really a shame to see the folks over on the STO forums grasping at straws. Seriously... is this the OP of that post for real?
Seems there's only straws left in that forum. Every single post by lifers (except like 2 users), are completely irrational and full of rainbows. There's so much spinning (by lifers) that it'd make a sober man vomit. These same people, the lifers, are acting like this, because it's fully possible that IF there's a new buyer for Cryptic, their Lifetime Subs are redundant. Cryptic folds, a new company comes in and picks it up, why the hell would they want to carry so many freeloaders along (seems to be like 75% of subs when you check the forums)? LTS money is already gone to the previous owner anyway.
One of the worst parts is the whole blaming of Atari, when Cryptic themselves promised to create MMO's in very short time (2 years per product). Then you see the usual lifers crying that Atari forced Cryptic to release early, when all they actually did was honor the contract. This is a fact, yet it's somehow totally bypassed by some lifers with good slogans like "yet Cryptic operates 2 games making a high profit". This is obviously just grasping those straws mentioned in the quote, when you got nothing else to say: lie!
Yes I just do not see how Atari can be blamed. It seemed to me early on that Atari got sold a bill of goods by Cryptic. Cryptic had 2 good IPs (especially STO) and I would not put it past the likes of Jack Emmert to sell Atari on "WoW-level" subscription numbers. When they could not deliver that, Atari got smart and cut their losses.
I completely disagree with those over there that believe both CO and STO are "making a high profit". If Cryptic were turning a profit, the financially floundering Atari would have hung onto them as a steady source of income.
Dan Stahl had once posted that the Dev team working on STO is "smaller than your average Starbucks crew". Now you know why. The company has two failing games, one of which failed as a F2P model and the other bleeding monthly subs with only a C-Store left to suck as much as they can out of lifers. This is why you saw so much stuff being pumped into the C-Store since day one. The game did not pull in the numbers that Cryptic told Atari it would. I would go so far as to say the writing was on the wall a month after STO launch when all the "pre-order exclusives" were getting dumped into the C-Store, angering those who spent a lot of money on buying the multiple box sets to get the "exclusives". Cryptic has been desperate to put as much as they can, as fast as they can into that C-Store.
Take a step back and look at the picture.STO should have been huge,cryptic messed it up beyond belief.It was awfull,they had the cheek to think they could get away with using the same engine as CO for ground combat.Star trek instanced!Exploration!Universe,ie huge.
Cryptic did everything wrong when making STO ,no company will pay for shit.
bye bye craptic.
I think Gamers First or Perfect World International would be good companies to buy them. The thing is Gamers First is already trying to reboot APB and Taikodom so maybe they don't want to deal with 3 more games.
I really don't think Sony should buy them. They screw up every game they touch, look at The Matrix Online and Star Trek Online, plus they just dumped The Agency.
I meant Star Wars online not Star Trek.
I'd love to play a new NWN game i still have nwn platium haven't played the game in awhile purely because i'm spoiled on rpgs like dragon age and stuff lol
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Actually in this case you can; Atari's latest financial report (2010-2011) lists how much Cryptic made and lost for this past fiscal year, and the fiscal year prior to that. (2009-2010). Prior to this report, Cryptic's income and losses were bundled in with all of Atari's other online sales.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
That's not set in stone mind you; this was how Jack made it sound, and he has in the past shown that quite often he has no real clue about what's going on.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Atari did pull some antics themselves with STO, and need to take their share of the blame; for instance there was that fiasco they had shortly after launch, and before the intial free 30 day period was up, when Atari was offering digital copies of the game with greatly extended free time.
As for the smaller crew? Most of the STO team more than likely moved on to the NWN game, despite the periodic protests from those running STO that it had a full crew (even after another dev had complained about how small the team was).
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
SOE. They deserve each other.
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LOL I wish I had the money to buy Cryptic and STO, and I would seriously do the games right with the right developers compared to what they are now lol.
STO is a big laugh for a game, and their marketing at P2P + Cash Shop fails big times.
As for Champions Online it is decent but they need to update characters to look more realistic and come up with a few more ideas which I already know they would be makin buck off their games, and enough to stay open for sure with no issues.
But Cryptic meh if no one buys them out then what another HellGate London, another APB, and then what will the next people do ruin it more and ruin what customers they already have?
No. Activision and Blizzard are both owned by Vivendi.
Trion should.
Not even joking. Maybe they can breathe some life into the stale genre by combining the two efforts.
I do realize that Trion doesn't actually have the money to do so, probably--just wishful thinking.
Superhero MMO talent trees (or whatever) are a mess, and just get messier. I think Trion's soul system would be an excellent spin on it.
Spec'ing properly is a gateway drug.
12 Million People have been meter spammed in heroics.
No one should buy cryptic. Why would you by a company that makes mediocre games and then sells them for premium prices?
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Waiting for: WoD
Favourite MMOs: VG, EVE, FE and DDO
Any person who expresses rage and loathing for an MMO is preposterous. He or she is like a person who has put on full armor and attacked a hot fudge sundae.
Eidos - want to get into western games + they have the money
The question is not who will buy them, but why would anyone want to........look at the track record.
cryptic is garbage. please let this company die as a warning to future companies...
After doing some digging in Atari's financial reports, Hasbro's lawsuit to revoke Atari's D&D license rights is still ongoing:
Here is the relevant section:
"Hasbro, Atari’s licensor for exclusive, world-wide rights to create, design, develop, manufacture, have manufactured, market and sell digital games based upon the Dungeons & Dragons worlds, sued Atari in federal District Court in Rhode Island on December 16, 2009. Hasbro’s Complaint alleged breach of contract, asserting that Atari had entered into unapproved sublicenses, allowed access by an un-authorized sublicensee to confidential information as well as other claims such as intentional misrepresentation and an accounting of monies paid for certain activities. Hasbro is requesting that the court determine that contract can be terminated. Atari countersued Hasbro on December 22, 2009 for over $100 million in damages, alleging, among other things, breaches of contract including unapproved removal of certain Dungeons and Dragons realms, and a claim of tortious interference with Atari’s relationship with its potential sublicensees. On June 1 and 2, Atari and Hasbro engaged in mediation. Upon the conclusion of the mediation, the case had not settled. The parties continue to discuss settlement."
You can find the document here (on page 45). Also on that page is confirmation that Turbine settled its lawsuit with Atari. At the moment it still is entirely possible that we could see NWN launch, only to have Atari lose its license to D&D. There also remains the possibility of someone buying Cryptic before NWN is launched, stopping all work (at least on Cryptic's part) on the game since currently only Atari has the license to make D&D computer games. It will be interesting to see what happens.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
So if you make freemium games, it's never because you werent making money bad things happen?
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In Cryptic's case they made two regular MMOs, lost money, switched one to a freemium model, and still lost money. Going the freemium route doesn't automatically mean people will suddenly want to play your game; even if they do play it, that doesn't mean they'll actually be willing to pay you money.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
You do not want SOE to get their hands on STO. SOE is infamous for their epic fail tweaking of games until classes/races are no longer playable for long periods of time, or the complete opposite, making classes/races so OP that they can not be beat for long periods of time. Notice, I mentioned long periods of time twice, that because that is how long it will take for CS to get to you on any problem.
I loved CoH/CoV, made by Cryptic. STO was rather a let down but had nice visual effects. Some small balancing would have made the game much more nice. Never really got into CoX, whatever that was. Champions Online?