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Jackcolt
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Hoping some of you Eve players can answer af couple of questions here.
After reading that progression should be much faster now, I've become interested in trying it out again. I tried a trial many years ago, and back then I found it to be too slow for my taste. Would simply take forever to get to some interesting PvP. My question now is whether that has changed or if it's the same. Can I say within a week of regular playing get to interesting PvP outside of random boring skirmishes?
Also, has combat changed it anyway? Back then it wasn't engrossing enough for me. It was basically keeping the optimal range and then look at my spaceship doing its thing.
Thanks in advance.
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The progression is a lot faster now since they have done away with the level quality of the mission givers (at least I think it is). The mission givers at each of hte 5 levels I believe are maxed out now and you make in game moey really fast. Point in case did a level 3 mission last night and the mission reward and bounties off the NPC's totalled just over 2.5 million isk for about 30 minutes worth of play time.
I would say go and give the game a try again and run the tutorial missions as those missions hand out a lot of good and useful items that you can use without having to spend your own isks to get something that might be given to you.
As for the PVP part of the game, I believe that you can jump right in there for PvP right from the start if you want. As to the effectiveness, I can't tell you one way or the other on it. But I know that there are those that know how to do the PvP thing and can just about go toe-to-toe with those that have been playing for years and only be in an account that is only a few days old.
The combat is just about the way that you described it, for me anyways. But with all the newer and different ways to outfit the ships bascially anything can go. If you are looking for a 21-day invite check out the buddy thread in the Jita(General) and ask someone there for a 21-day trial account. If not just go out to the EvE Online site and get the 14-day trial.
Hope to see you in the game...Safe Flying!
-Slider7
Looking for that next MMO
In my opinion it still takes forever to get to interesting PvP. All the null sec corps just raised their recruitment sp to match that of the progression speed up.
You will still be stuck camping stargates and stations waiting for people to leave, hoping, someday, PvP will happen to you. Or you might be in the station or stargate humping because some large corp saw you're a newb corp and war deced you.
In either case. PvP only happens in null sec, and then it only happens if you have 6 mil sp. That's what the going rate was when I quit. No doubt increased by now.
It's actually quite hard to make a post that's genuinely completely wrong without being obviously nonsensical. Since literally every sentence in this post is exactly wrong, I can only infer that you are a master of irony.
I salute you, sir!
Give me liberty or give me lasers
Thanks for the replies!
Malcanis: Do elaborate on how the PvP is. Can it get interesting within a week?
It has a free trial. If you try to play solo, which apparently is viable to some...isn't conducive to many. PvP? well...I don't know why you would bother playing this game without PvP. LOTRO, WoW, EQ, CoH, many others exist for solo/group PvE experiences. You can find group PvE while ratting with your friends or you can participate in the new Incursions that were just released.
PvP has nothing to do with EvE...it has everything to do with you. Can you think 3 dimensionally? Can you do quick math. Can you understand the difference between optimal range and falloff range? Do you understand the difference between active vs passive tanking?
I liken the PvP experience to steps. Learning about the game world, your overview, how stargates work, all the "immersive" or "world" effects..every players learns. Next, learn how to use your scanner. Learn max distance, learn to use the filter so you can see what you are headed toward..or what's coming to you.
Next, learn the difference between turrets and missiles. Learn what ammo does what. Learn how to fit a tank. Learn drones. Learn the difference between afterburners and microwarp drives. Next, learn about electronic warfare...understand why to fit a web and disruptors.
Once you gain the basic knowledge of what ships do what, what modules do what, and how to use your overview, and changing it to what you are doing...you are well on your way.
Next..I would suggest you figure out what type of person you are. All of the above knowledge does nothing to help you, if you get are the type of person that can't stand loss. If you can't understand that no matter what you do...no matter how many sp you have, no matter how many friends you got...you will get killed. It is a fact if you PvP. Learn to embrace it. Learn to love it.
If you don't get an adrenalin dump when you see reds appear in your belt, or whatever...you need to ask yourself why. I still get sweaty palms when I'm pvp'ing and I've been doing it for close to 5 years.
Lastly..this game was designed to be played in groups. If you are a solo type person, pvp will be extremely difficult for you. Probably not worth bothering with. You will run into people like me that look for solo pirates...and get frustrated. I take great delight in popping solo wanna be pirates...so they learn lessons. Can you listen to vets? Can you speak slowly and intelligently on a VOIP service?
If you can and want to experience the best PvP in MMO's today(imo), then you should get a sub and find some friends. If not, move onto another game.
Good luck.
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Hiatus: EvE
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by the way, its not JUST that they have done stuff with mission agents the moves things a long.
The main one is that they basically gave everyone a big increase to their attributes which makes training up skills way quicker for a new player than it was before.
There is so much more stuff that new players get nowadays that it kinda makes me envious
best pvp video ever :P http://youtu.be/d2bRXy2w_ZE
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Thanks Cosy.
As that video shows, pretty much from the start, the main limiting factor on your PvP fun is your own skill and knowledge of the game. The sooner you get out there and start doing it, the better.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
to repeat what has been said, its comes as fast as you want it. If you want to go out to 0.0 talk to the recruiters. Let them know who you are and what you want to do. Be willing to say you'll go on a probationary status. And for the love of god don't load up everything you own to move out to where they are take just what you need and no more. Pirates are more likely to take newer players but they are not the only one.
there was this nice graph of eve online features somewhere.
because most people think eve is:
-mining
-doing missions
-be a pirate and kill people
even those who play dont stray too far from these boundaries.
not so many even begin to think that the best part of the game is the socialization.
there are many ways to earn ISK by being much cooler guy than everybody else and without doing any missions, pve or killing players.
its not called sandbox mmo for no reason.
Combat is as interesting as you want it to be. It can be very challenging depending on what you are flying, who you are flying against, and many other factors. Some ships require a lot of finesse to fly properly. Take on a ship way out of your league and it get's interesting quick. But if you your killing T1 cruisers in your Curse constantly, yeah combat can get old. Like everything in Eve, it's as interesting and engaging as you want it to be.
As far as being PvP ready quick, are you going to go out after a few days by yourself and solo some people? Probably not. Get into a group, and within a week you are definitely useful. You should be able to use a T1 frigate, some guns, and warp disruptor by then, and in a group that can be quite useful.
I played Eve back in 05 but did not get into too much. Came back to the game in 08, joined Eve University two days later, and I was pvping the night I joined. Btw I do recommend the Uni for a bit in the beginning to learn about the game. You get free stuff (ships, skillbooks, etc) too
I keep trying EVE because 'on paper' it is everything I want from a game... except it's so boring.
Look at the PvP videos on youtube, it's like watching slowly moving spiders shooting thin webs at each other.
The only satisfaction seems to be from watching your opponents shields/hull (or whatever) stats decreasing before your own.
Just gotta say , "Jack, your post is actually the best post I have seen for describing EvE online! Excellent post ...sums the game up very nicely and that is not an easy feat when it comes to the only game out there that has actual "depth". Eve online is a thinking man's game and as you play and learn the many concepts your mind begans to "reel" with the possibilities that are possibile in the depths of space. Again Excellent post!"
I have said before Eve online is more of a mindtrip than anything else. There is no game out there that stimulates the mind like Eve Online..
I agree with you completly about youtube videos.. I've never seen a good pvp video, they all just look like pixel wars.
What they need is comentating on otherwise only vets realy know what is going on. Alliance tournement video's are quite good because they get commentry... but its not a life-like pvp situation.
The thing which is appealing to me about eve is how you and your corp can 'make a place belong to you', by using the resources of the systems, building your own stations, mining and farming to make your own ships, exporting stuff back to be sold to keep the corp profitable, and also to defend your territory, make allies.. make enemys, defend your home and conquering new space.
Too many people make eve out to be about pvp... its not. Eve is about building a way of life, pvp is just one of those tools, a knife to carve out your slice of the universe, to defend it and.. to backstab.
I wouldnt say you will find yourself very involved in this game in week time.
Skill training is much faster now, and many other things are (agent accesability, money making and so on) but still, one week is not enough to get into this game enough to like it.
For instance, my main char is from 2005. Since then I quit and started playing again few times, with pretty big pauses, but I am enjoying it most now in 2011
I have 55M skill points on main character, and I can tell you now that I know enough about the game to be able to play it way I like, do what I like, kill other ppl, make them QQ and so on.
If anyone wanna try EVE - pls contact me - I might send you invite code for free trial - and ofc help you with advice once you're in the game.