Rift hit a wall a few weeks ago, and now Trion is scrambling to keep it together before a true exodus hits home.
It'll be interesting to see which servers are the lucky ones for destinations. If they are ones with smaller, but still active communities, it could cause some resentment at getting invaded and wrecking said community. It makes more sense to encourage people to go to a 2/3 full server, and get it near 3/3, rather than a 1/3 full server that might only get to 1/2 or 2/3.
None of it will matter if every major guild is at the end of the content chain anyway, so then it's just a decision of getting out from under a queue. They need to crank out working updates as fast as they can while they still have a window of attention on them open.
I wonder if they'll put some more incentives to even out the population across servers. It seems a lot of players are stacking on the top 5 which makes a handful of low pop servers and few servers with impossible queue times.
For a game with a low factor of replay-ability, it's even more important otherwise you end up with top-heavy servers and underpopulated questing areas much faster.
Does Rift have as many players as it did when it first released? Of course not,I don't think any mmo would.But you can't expect Trion not to do server transfers with the amount of servers they currently have going..
Does this mean the game is dying? Uhhhh negative.They still have many highly populated servers..it takes alot to kill an mmo and introducing a server xfer option isn't even detrimental in this case.
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Does Rift have as many players as it did when it first released? Of course not,I don't think any mmo would.But you can't expect Trion not to do server transfers with the amount of servers they currently have going..
Does this mean the game is dying? Uhhhh negative.They still have many highly populated servers..it takes alot to kill an mmo and introducing a server xfer option isn't even detrimental in this case.
Sorry to burst your negative bubbles.
WoW doesn't have as many as when it first released either...except in a different way. (Hint: more)
And so the people who said rift was dying were right. No company offers things liek this unless theyre desperate as hell to keep their subscribers.
Oh ffs, you doom & gloomers are never happy about anything. Maybe the company is offering this to make their customer base happy without raping their wallets like Activision / Blizzard does every time they introduce any type of new service.
QFT. The doom & gloomers on these forums crack me up.
Does Rift have as many players as it did when it first released? Of course not,I don't think any mmo would.But you can't expect Trion not to do server transfers with the amount of servers they currently have going..
Does this mean the game is dying? Uhhhh negative.They still have many highly populated servers..it takes alot to kill an mmo and introducing a server xfer option isn't even detrimental in this case.
Sorry to burst your negative bubbles.
WoW doesn't have as many as when it first released either...except in a different way. (Hint: more)
Yep and the majority of those are from hint : Asian territories
Its obvious why they are doing this, ppl on low pop servers are quitting due to lack of ppl to play with, so good move in a way in trions part , but bad in a way to, might see some servers get overloaded, but im sure they may not let you transer to full servers.
Seems like a good attempt on Trion's part to try and level out the servers so there is not just 2 overly busy ones but maybe a few more healthy ones, maybe it will work and maybe not but i'm sure tweeking will be done after any problems that arise are noticed, I mean this is pretty quick work on thier part if you ask me getting something in there to at least TRY to smooth out the population among the servers.
I'm happy about this move. It shows that Trion is not gonna try to nickel and dime their clients like some of these other failed or successful greedy companies have done in the past.
Why not? Why not be able to move around from server to server until you find one that fits you best?
Destroy communities? Community is destroyed anyhow, People don't give a fuck they ninja your loot. Join a guild if you want a decent community.
I was in a T1 Dungeon awhile back and some guild ninja'd my loot because I was the only person NOT in vent or in their guild.... You think they give a fuck about the community? It's guild for guild now adays. If you aren't in the guild or in vent you get shit on. Just deal with it.
Trion is trying to salvage their player base plain and simple. Server merges and char transfers was a given to be incoming due to the fact that there is a severe pop imbalance on servers. I'll bet that this is not a permenent free service, once stuff stabilizes their go back to the charge fee.
Nickel n diming? Oh give me a break. nickle n diming is stuff like vanity pets, mounts, premium Real ID sevice, NOT server transfers.
To be honest from the amouncment it sounds like they will only be moving players from the couple high pop searvers that are left to the low pop server's which does not solve anything, noone on a decent server is going to want to move to a low pop one so how will this fix the servers that are dead?.
I was in a T1 Dungeon awhile back and some guild ninja'd my loot because I was the only person NOT in vent or in their guild.... You think they give a fuck about the community? It's guild for guild now adays. If you aren't in the guild or in vent you get shit on. Just deal with it.
If you're in a raid and not at least on vent with someone, that's on you if you don't get loot or know what's going on. Vent is free, headsets are $8. There's simply no excuse not to join voice chat for raids. Communication is key in raids and if you're the one guy not communicating, then you deserve to not get loot.
I do have vent ! ALso I have a headset. Now wut?
I have a guild to talk to , I don't need to get in some other guilds vent... Especially if they don't send me their information for it.
You want me in your vent. Tell me the info and invite me to your vent. I'm not gonna invite myself. Especially if the people are RUDE to begin with, because they were definately rude.
Trion is trying to salvage their player base plain and simple. Server merges and char transfers was a given to be incoming due to the fact that there is a severe pop imbalance on servers. I'll bet that this is not a permenent free service, once stuff stabilizes their go back to the charge fee.
Nickel n diming? Oh give me a break. nickle n diming is stuff like vanity pets, mounts, premium Real ID sevice, NOT server transfers.
An example of what I am talking about when I say nickel and diming people... :
Swg has DEAD servers and instead of offering a free server transfer to fix the problem, they try to charge for it.
They know they have a population problem. So, why are they charging for the fix?
Wonder if they can work out a way that if Player X is reported a certain number of times, they're sent to the Outer Darkness server?
Anyone remember the Outer Darkness chat channel in the original Diablo? /off topic
If you ever played Nexus they had a court system and a jail for people that did stuff that was considered to be stealing or harrassing. You go to jail then see the judge or w/e then get a sentance of some kind.....
Was pretty neat. They even put it on your record like it was an accomplishment. I use to do things just so I could go to the judge and get it put on my record that I was a criminal.
Later I read that the judge was curropt or something to that effect.
Trion is trying to salvage their player base plain and simple. Server merges and char transfers was a given to be incoming due to the fact that there is a severe pop imbalance on servers. I'll bet that this is not a permenent free service, once stuff stabilizes their go back to the charge fee.
Nickel n diming? Oh give me a break. nickle n diming is stuff like vanity pets, mounts, premium Real ID sevice, NOT server transfers.
An example of what I am talking about when I say nickel and diming people... :
Swg has DEAD servers and instead of offering a free server transfer to fix the problem, they try to charge for it.
They know they have a population problem. So, why are they charging for the fix?
WoW did offer free server moves though when they admitted to server pop issues. Course now I don't think they've had that problem for months, now it's more of free moves to fresh servers I think. Can't say much for other MMOs like AoC. SWG...that was when Sony took over?
And so the people who said rift was dying were right. No company offers things liek this unless theyre desperate as hell to keep their subscribers.
Funny.
More like they are establishing themselves as a business in a way that differentiates them from Blizzard. Seems to me to be a smart move.
Now all I want is a way to transfer my toons off WoW and onto Rift. :-)
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WoW did offer free server moves though when they admitted to server pop issues. Course now I don't think they've had that problem for months, now it's more of free moves to fresh servers I think. Can't say much for other MMOs like AoC. SWG...that was when Sony took over?
Bllizzard was still doing it about 6 months ago, especially to balance out factions. But I don't think they had much success, and with cross-realm dungeons and battlegrounds the issue isn't as important as it used to be.
NCSoft does it from times to times with Aion, but they are doing it wrong :P
I was in a T1 Dungeon awhile back and some guild ninja'd my loot because I was the only person NOT in vent or in their guild.... You think they give a fuck about the community? It's guild for guild now adays. If you aren't in the guild or in vent you get shit on. Just deal with it.
If you're in a raid and not at least on vent with someone, that's on you if you don't get loot or know what's going on. Vent is free, headsets are $8. There's simply no excuse not to join voice chat for raids. Communication is key in raids and if you're the one guy not communicating, then you deserve to not get loot.
Rift offers a free service and still Trion get battered for their efforts. Just one moment, yes it's outrageous that people should be able to join their friends or improve the gaming experience by moving to a more suitable server. It's even more disgraceful that it will be free.
Should it not be the other way around. We are the customers who are paying good money each month to these companies so why should we be chained to one server or ask nicely and pay to move.
Trions seem like they are going the extra mile for customers... good. It seems a perfectly reasonable way to balance servers better and give yet more choice to players. Choice=good.
Yep, there will always be Dikwads trying to grief people, but who says a fantasy world should be full of nice polite people? it just makes it more enjoyable to discover and meet the better players. There will always be some who want to act like idiots. If it becomes a problem then I feel sure that something would be put in place to remedy the spoilers, there is a feedback facility in game, forward some good suggestions.
This is a very good move for Trion , Leaving people on low pop server is a sure way to loose subs.
Some will reroll to bigger pop server others will just quit. Why waste those subs when all you need to do is move em in with more people to keep em. When i play mmo there is nothing more gamebreaking then playing on ghost servers, in rifts its even worse then regular mmo becouse how the game is built. Playing rift on a low pop server(aka medium) is boreing as hell, but move to a big populated server and suddenly the game is quite fun.
Imo Trion was slow with this and they could have saved quite a few subs if they had done this after the 1st month, people have been asking for server trans for quite some time now. Guess they had other high priority issue to deal with beside this so might not be my place to judge em.
Must say when it comes to running an mmo Trion are one of the best companys out there . But when it comes to these forums even when a company does the right thing theres people that will dam them for it . Its like the battering lotro and ddo got for going free to play . Theres a lot of dogmatic gamers out there that want things to remain the same and never change . Good job they aint turkeys they would be voting for christmas . I really hope none of them ever run thier own buisness because they have not one iota of common sence or understanding how buisness models have to change to adapt and survive .
At the end of the day its about competition and offering the best deal for the product you offer . Nothing set in stone to say an mmo company needs to charge a fee for transfers or even charge 15 dollar a month for a sub . I remember having this discussion in threads in the past . You always get some plank saying he or she would pay 30 dollars a month for a decent mmo and now theres bound to be ones want to pay a fee for a transfer . Some people have more money than sence . (At least for now anyway, the way things are going that may change and god knows how they'll function in the real world when that moneys not so easy to come by ).
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Rift hit a wall a few weeks ago, and now Trion is scrambling to keep it together before a true exodus hits home.
It'll be interesting to see which servers are the lucky ones for destinations. If they are ones with smaller, but still active communities, it could cause some resentment at getting invaded and wrecking said community. It makes more sense to encourage people to go to a 2/3 full server, and get it near 3/3, rather than a 1/3 full server that might only get to 1/2 or 2/3.
None of it will matter if every major guild is at the end of the content chain anyway, so then it's just a decision of getting out from under a queue. They need to crank out working updates as fast as they can while they still have a window of attention on them open.
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I think it will be interesting o see what happens. I am on a med/low pop server and this opens options to all.
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I wonder if they'll put some more incentives to even out the population across servers. It seems a lot of players are stacking on the top 5 which makes a handful of low pop servers and few servers with impossible queue times.
For a game with a low factor of replay-ability, it's even more important otherwise you end up with top-heavy servers and underpopulated questing areas much faster.
Does Rift have as many players as it did when it first released? Of course not,I don't think any mmo would.But you can't expect Trion not to do server transfers with the amount of servers they currently have going..
Does this mean the game is dying? Uhhhh negative.They still have many highly populated servers..it takes alot to kill an mmo and introducing a server xfer option isn't even detrimental in this case.
Sorry to burst your negative bubbles.
First mmo i seen do it for free
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WoW doesn't have as many as when it first released either...except in a different way. (Hint: more)
QFT. The doom & gloomers on these forums crack me up.
Yep and the majority of those are from hint : Asian territories
Its obvious why they are doing this, ppl on low pop servers are quitting due to lack of ppl to play with, so good move in a way in trions part , but bad in a way to, might see some servers get overloaded, but im sure they may not let you transer to full servers.
Seems like a good attempt on Trion's part to try and level out the servers so there is not just 2 overly busy ones but maybe a few more healthy ones, maybe it will work and maybe not but i'm sure tweeking will be done after any problems that arise are noticed, I mean this is pretty quick work on thier part if you ask me getting something in there to at least TRY to smooth out the population among the servers.
Trion is trying to salvage their player base plain and simple. Server merges and char transfers was a given to be incoming due to the fact that there is a severe pop imbalance on servers. I'll bet that this is not a permenent free service, once stuff stabilizes their go back to the charge fee.
Nickel n diming? Oh give me a break. nickle n diming is stuff like vanity pets, mounts, premium Real ID sevice, NOT server transfers.
To be honest from the amouncment it sounds like they will only be moving players from the couple high pop searvers that are left to the low pop server's which does not solve anything, noone on a decent server is going to want to move to a low pop one so how will this fix the servers that are dead?.
I do have vent ! ALso I have a headset. Now wut?
I have a guild to talk to , I don't need to get in some other guilds vent... Especially if they don't send me their information for it.
You want me in your vent. Tell me the info and invite me to your vent. I'm not gonna invite myself. Especially if the people are RUDE to begin with, because they were definately rude.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
An example of what I am talking about when I say nickel and diming people... :
Swg has DEAD servers and instead of offering a free server transfer to fix the problem, they try to charge for it.
They know they have a population problem. So, why are they charging for the fix?
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
If you ever played Nexus they had a court system and a jail for people that did stuff that was considered to be stealing or harrassing. You go to jail then see the judge or w/e then get a sentance of some kind.....
Was pretty neat. They even put it on your record like it was an accomplishment. I use to do things just so I could go to the judge and get it put on my record that I was a criminal.
Later I read that the judge was curropt or something to that effect.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
WoW did offer free server moves though when they admitted to server pop issues. Course now I don't think they've had that problem for months, now it's more of free moves to fresh servers I think. Can't say much for other MMOs like AoC. SWG...that was when Sony took over?
Nice, it will remain a free service for the foreeable future. Wonder why Blizzard/the likes charge for that service afterall?
Funny.
More like they are establishing themselves as a business in a way that differentiates them from Blizzard. Seems to me to be a smart move.
Now all I want is a way to transfer my toons off WoW and onto Rift. :-)
Bllizzard was still doing it about 6 months ago, especially to balance out factions. But I don't think they had much success, and with cross-realm dungeons and battlegrounds the issue isn't as important as it used to be.
NCSoft does it from times to times with Aion, but they are doing it wrong :P
Heh, gotta smile.
Rift offers a free service and still Trion get battered for their efforts. Just one moment, yes it's outrageous that people should be able to join their friends or improve the gaming experience by moving to a more suitable server. It's even more disgraceful that it will be free.
Should it not be the other way around. We are the customers who are paying good money each month to these companies so why should we be chained to one server or ask nicely and pay to move.
Trions seem like they are going the extra mile for customers... good. It seems a perfectly reasonable way to balance servers better and give yet more choice to players. Choice=good.
Yep, there will always be Dikwads trying to grief people, but who says a fantasy world should be full of nice polite people? it just makes it more enjoyable to discover and meet the better players. There will always be some who want to act like idiots. If it becomes a problem then I feel sure that something would be put in place to remedy the spoilers, there is a feedback facility in game, forward some good suggestions.
Enjoy your game.
Above quote, he said T1, read next time.
kudos to Trion! Now, just fix the LFG bugs and we will dance at your daughters nuptuals.
This is a very good move for Trion , Leaving people on low pop server is a sure way to loose subs.
Some will reroll to bigger pop server others will just quit. Why waste those subs when all you need to do is move em in with more people to keep em. When i play mmo there is nothing more gamebreaking then playing on ghost servers, in rifts its even worse then regular mmo becouse how the game is built. Playing rift on a low pop server(aka medium) is boreing as hell, but move to a big populated server and suddenly the game is quite fun.
Imo Trion was slow with this and they could have saved quite a few subs if they had done this after the 1st month, people have been asking for server trans for quite some time now. Guess they had other high priority issue to deal with beside this so might not be my place to judge em.
Must say when it comes to running an mmo Trion are one of the best companys out there . But when it comes to these forums even when a company does the right thing theres people that will dam them for it . Its like the battering lotro and ddo got for going free to play . Theres a lot of dogmatic gamers out there that want things to remain the same and never change . Good job they aint turkeys they would be voting for christmas . I really hope none of them ever run thier own buisness because they have not one iota of common sence or understanding how buisness models have to change to adapt and survive .
At the end of the day its about competition and offering the best deal for the product you offer . Nothing set in stone to say an mmo company needs to charge a fee for transfers or even charge 15 dollar a month for a sub . I remember having this discussion in threads in the past . You always get some plank saying he or she would pay 30 dollars a month for a decent mmo and now theres bound to be ones want to pay a fee for a transfer . Some people have more money than sence . (At least for now anyway, the way things are going that may change and god knows how they'll function in the real world when that moneys not so easy to come by ).