Last thing I want to say about this, these microtransactions where never needed, they did not introduce microtransactions with Planetary Interaction, or Factional Warfare ...
They shouldn't do it with Incarna either, a good Incarna expansion would bring in a lot more subs and all the profit they need.
The real problem is that CCP invested alot of cash in Dust, WoD and all these new studios around the world, they are looking for a quick buck, and this is how they are making it. It is a lack of vision from CCP management pure and simple.
Well the game has never really had fluff content before. Everything before Incarna has had an in game use. Besides visual variety the Incarna clothing store has absolutely no effect on the game. But all this potential clothing does incur development costs and if they didn't charge for it, it would either come very infrequently, or at the expense of other graphics developments. By charging small amounts they can't make that development pay for itself without adversly effecting the rest of the game. Turbine's system is the system that CCP's new store resembles and it has been a major positive for that game in terms of financially boosting the game's development. They went from maybe 1 update every 6 months to an update every 2 months like clockwork. Explain to me exactly how something like that would be bad for EVE.
Last thing I want to say about this, these microtransactions where never needed, they did not introduce microtransactions with Planetary Interaction, or Factional Warfare ...
They shouldn't do it with Incarna either, a good Incarna expansion would bring in a lot more subs and all the profit they need.
The real problem is that CCP invested alot of cash in Dust, WoD and all these new studios around the world, they are looking for a quick buck, and this is how they are making it. It is a lack of vision from CCP management pure and simple.
Well the game has never really had fluff content before. Everything before Incarna has had an in game use. Besides visual variety the Incarna clothing store has absolutely no effect on the game. But all this potential clothing does incur development costs and if they didn't charge for it, it would either come very infrequently, or at the expense of other graphics developments. By charging small amounts they can't make that development pay for itself without adversly effecting the rest of the game. Turbine's system is the system that CCP's new store resembles and it has been a major positive for that game in terms of financially boosting the game's development. They went from maybe 1 update every 6 months to an update every 2 months like clockwork. Explain to me exactly how something like that would be bad for EVE.
You can't explain it, Minsc, no matter if you make it clear just as you have. They don't get if they haven't charged for it, then there'd be less content coming in, and that even if they do charge, it's totally optional (purchaseable with in game cash even), and that it's cosmetic fluff. I gave up after repeating the same thing the 3rd time.
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The slippery slope argument is often used by those who don't have a valid point to make, because it intrinsically allows a person to validate their otherwise insane theories. It allows for full ignorance of the facts under the assumption that the source is simply lying, or may change their mind at a future date.
Essentially, its own shortcomings make the slippery slope undefeatable by facts, because there is so often no facts behind it. It's like arguing with someone over the coming of the rapture. And if the person is wrong, they have a safety net of "I never said it was a guarantee" to fall back on.
"The rapture is coming May 21st, just look at all the signs."
How about "it will earn them lots of money" as the reason that they'll push out things that aren't just vanity.
If the estimated value of the sale of the items in the shop is higher than the estimated loss from cancelled subs - do you really expect CCP to not sell bitter vets down the river?
Too many doomsayers on this forum. CCP learned from there mistake. If they were going to put out pay to win, they would have with Neural Remapping. Everyone that's saying otherwise has no credit, and is talking out of there rear.
IF it happens, you can spam all the warning shouts as much as you want, and I'll join you. But until then, don't spew random things when CCP already proved you wrong before.
It will be too late by then.
Listen fella, devs don't always know what's best for the game and as somebody above suggested, they don't do it out of spite or with evil intention, they do it because they believe it will benefit them.
You're only 21 years old and probably haven't had your beloved game turned into garbage overnight by a dev team. You've never seen a dev team chase after rainbows or make "improvements" that ruined you favorite game. You've never spent years building a niche for you toon only to have the rug pulled out from under you by a well intentioned dev team.
I know what you're thinking, but, but, but... the CSM!
Is the development of the items in the item shop within the CSMs jurisdiction? Do the items require a CSM stamp of approval? Nope and nope, at least not yet - maybe you should go and suggest such a thing a nip it in the butt right now? But then, at the end of the day, the CSMs authority with eve is equal to about as much authority as I have with regards to CCP - none.
For many of us that have been betrayed by a dev team CCP was a breath of fresh air. We all sat back with a sigh of relief and said "finally, a dev team that listens and isn't out to pick our pockets..."
Listen fella, devs don't always know what's best for the game and as somebody above suggested, they don't do it out of spite or with evil intention, they do it because they believe it will benefit them.
You're only 21 years old and probably haven't had your beloved game turned into garbage overnight by a dev team. You've never seen a dev team chase after rainbows or make "improvements" that ruined you favorite game. You've never spent years building a niche for you toon only to have the rug pulled out from under you by a well intentioned dev team.
I know what you're thinking, but, but, but... the CSM!
Is the development of the items in the item shop within the CSMs jurisdiction? Do the items require a CSM stamp of approval? Nope and nope, at least not yet - maybe you should go and suggest such a thing a nip it in the butt right now? But then, at the end of the day, the CSMs authority with eve is equal to about as much authority as I have with regards to CCP - none.
For many of us that have been betrayed by a dev team CCP was a breath of fresh air. We all sat back with a sigh of relief and said "finally, a dev team that listens and isn't out to pick our pockets..."
"Et tu, CCP?"
I lol'ed. The CSM and players are the ones that made the PLEX for Neural Remapping not happen.
Like I said before, sources or your a troll. I linked the dev blog CLEARLY saying it was the CSM and players that told them they didn't want those game mechanics for irl cash. Your saying a lot, but without sources it holds no water, but is pure speculation. That crystal ball of yours isn't considered a source either.
And never seen a game ruined? I played EQ2 at launch. It slowly shifted to WoW type with battlegrounds and such. Just because other devs ruin there game doesn't mean all will. One dev =/= all.
Listen fella, devs don't always know what's best for the game and as somebody above suggested, they don't do it out of spite or with evil intention, they do it because they believe it will benefit them.
You're only 21 years old and probably haven't had your beloved game turned into garbage overnight by a dev team. You've never seen a dev team chase after rainbows or make "improvements" that ruined you favorite game. You've never spent years building a niche for you toon only to have the rug pulled out from under you by a well intentioned dev team.
I know what you're thinking, but, but, but... the CSM!
Is the development of the items in the item shop within the CSMs jurisdiction? Do the items require a CSM stamp of approval? Nope and nope, at least not yet - maybe you should go and suggest such a thing a nip it in the butt right now? But then, at the end of the day, the CSMs authority with eve is equal to about as much authority as I have with regards to CCP - none.
For many of us that have been betrayed by a dev team CCP was a breath of fresh air. We all sat back with a sigh of relief and said "finally, a dev team that listens and isn't out to pick our pockets..."
"Et tu, CCP?"
I lol'ed. The CSM and players are the ones that made the PLEX for Neural Remapping not happen.
Like I said before, sources or your a troll. I linked the dev blog CLEARLY saying it was the CSM and players that told them they didn't want those game mechanics for irl cash. Your saying a lot, but without sources it holds no water, but is pure speculation. That crystal ball of yours isn't considered a source either.
And never seen a game ruined? I played EQ2 at launch. It slowly shifted to WoW type with battlegrounds and such. Just because other devs ruin there game doesn't mean all will. One dev =/= all.
So, you played EQ 2 for a few months before station exchange came out?
That explains a lot and it's no wonder this isn't an issue for you. You're used to the item shop in your MMO.
There's really not much point talking to you since you're already pre-conditioned to the idea of spending real money on ingame items while paying a subscription.
Don't worry I'm sure CCP will sell you an item that will let you catch up to the vet's SP before too long, but until then, enjoy your monocle and top hat.
Don't worry I'm sure CCP will sell you an item that will let you catch up to the vet's SP before too long, but until then, enjoy your monocle and top hat.
Any evidence that makes you sure of such things? Oh right, your just saying random things and have no backing up. There's no point talking to someone who believes whatever they want, though there's no evidence to support there thoughts, but evidence to support the contrary. Enjoy your delusions.
EDIT: This is by no means a personal attack either, but when someone denies even when the devs words are put before them is clearly a troll. I just happen to feed them to pass time.
Heck, if they really want to make a lot of cash from the store they should charge players a fee to take the clothing completely off of their avatars, make it a one time, limited duration, probably make a small fortune every time someone wanted to run around naked. Bet you could sell them in six-packs.
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I lol'ed. The CSM and players are the ones that made the PLEX for Neural Remapping not happen.
Like I said before, sources or your a troll. I linked the dev blog CLEARLY saying it was the CSM and players that told them they didn't want those game mechanics for irl cash. Your saying a lot, but without sources it holds no water, but is pure speculation. That crystal ball of yours isn't considered a source either.
And never seen a game ruined? I played EQ2 at launch. It slowly shifted to WoW type with battlegrounds and such. Just because other devs ruin there game doesn't mean all will. One dev =/= all.
So, you played EQ 2 for a few months before station exchange came out?
That explains a lot and it's no wonder this isn't an issue for you. You're used to the item shop in your MMO.
There's really not much point talking to you since you're already pre-conditioned to the idea of spending real money on ingame items while paying a subscription.
Don't worry I'm sure CCP will sell you an item that will let you catch up to the vet's SP before too long, but until then, enjoy your monocle and top hat.
Um, he just said he played it at launch. Station exchange came out about a year later. Honestly when I played EQ2 i didn't even know station exchange existed and never needed to use it anyways.
You keep on about how microtransactions ruin a game based on your experiences with your games of choice. But you totally refuse to acknowledge that not every item shop is handled the same way. I've pointed out multiple times Turbines approach and how it's helped the game rather than hinder it and you completely refuse to recognize that because you have no interest in even considering it.
Just because an item is "fluff" or has not stats doesn't mean it doesn't have an effect or importance in the game. Saying that fluff being sold is acceptable because it's meaningless is disingenuous at best and horrible logic at the worst.
Fluff may not be meaningful as a combat device, but that fluff is what fleshes out the worlds wwe play in. It is every bit meaningful to display the style and character as we represent ourselves. This is why we have moved away from limited graphics and text towards lush 3D worlds and complex graphics. It is why we develop intricate guild emblems, capes, halls, and the like.
It's is the first justification in charging extra for content that used to be included in our game package. By promoting this system we are saying it's okay to deliver the barest bones system tolerable and that it's okay to be gouged piecemeal for the more interesting aspects of the game.
These are all things we used to get as part of just paying for the game. Now we pay that and get to pay extra for the fun stuff.
EVE's vanity items are purchased with AUR. AUR is from PLEX. PLEX is from in game cash. The cycle can link directly to in game cash. That, and the items once bought with AUR, can be put on the market for straight up in game cash to make the connection even simpler for those who want to get them that way.
And the reason why they are charging is not because it should be included in EVE. If that was the case, it would slow the actual content gameplay wise. They want vanity items initual puchases linked with a new currency (the AUR) so they can judge how much resources to put into making more, since the $$$ made from the items alone are going to fund more.
The actual content of the game, not fluff, won't be hampered this way, and all the fun stuff (sans fluff) will still be fueled by subscription costs (with the same free expansion model). I'd rather have actual content over fluff anyday, but at least this way, we get both with no slowdown.
All this was explained in thorough in a dev blog on EVE's site. I would suggest everyone read it before they share there opinion from now on, since most are thinking the same as the above poster.
I lol'ed. The CSM and players are the ones that made the PLEX for Neural Remapping not happen.
Like I said before, sources or your a troll. I linked the dev blog CLEARLY saying it was the CSM and players that told them they didn't want those game mechanics for irl cash. Your saying a lot, but without sources it holds no water, but is pure speculation. That crystal ball of yours isn't considered a source either.
And never seen a game ruined? I played EQ2 at launch. It slowly shifted to WoW type with battlegrounds and such. Just because other devs ruin there game doesn't mean all will. One dev =/= all.
So, you played EQ 2 for a few months before station exchange came out?
That explains a lot and it's no wonder this isn't an issue for you. You're used to the item shop in your MMO.
There's really not much point talking to you since you're already pre-conditioned to the idea of spending real money on ingame items while paying a subscription.
Don't worry I'm sure CCP will sell you an item that will let you catch up to the vet's SP before too long, but until then, enjoy your monocle and top hat.
Um, he just said he played it at launch. Station exchange came out about a year later. Honestly when I played EQ2 i didn't even know station exchange existed and never needed to use it anyways.
You keep on about how microtransactions ruin a game based on your experiences with your games of choice. But you totally refuse to acknowledge that not every item shop is handled the same way. I've pointed out multiple times Turbines approach and how it's helped the game rather than hinder it and you completely refuse to recognize that because you have no interest in even considering it.
Turbine's approach was, for the most part, to make their games free to play with an item shop.
I'm not anti-item shop - I'm anti-item shop with a subscription fee. Paying a subscription fee and then adding velvet rope content is a bunch of bollocks that can lead to all sorts of problems down the road which turbine has largely avoided by making their games free to play.
I played Entropia Universe for a short time with friends after SWG fell apart - the gameplay wasn't my cup of tea but the micro transaction scheme was fine with me.
I'm old enough to remember the golden years of arcades - you want to talk about a micro transaction scheme? How about paying a fee to continue playing everytime you died?
Again, it's not the item shop or microtransactions that I have a problem with it's the sub fee with an additional payment scheme that bothers me because I know how corrupting the profit of a cash shop can be and CCP will need to exercise a lot of self-restraint or they might screw up everything they've, and we've, worked for over night.
Many of the people here have faith in them, some of them even have blind faith, but you'll have to forgive a few of us for our skepticism. Trust (for me) is something earned and CCP's item shop is way too new for anyone to say what will happen over time - you think they'll stick to vanity items whereas I have doubts, but it would be prudent for the both of us to keep our eyes on this feature don't you think?
I'm not anti-item shop - I'm anti-item shop with a subscription fee. Paying a subscription fee and then adding velvet rope content is a bunch of bollocks...
So, what are your thoughts on buying expansions?
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Originally posted by Hazelle Paying a subscription fee and then adding velvet rope content is a bunch of bollocks that can lead to all sorts of problems down the road
I might have more of an issue if things like expansions were paid expansions but outside of your whopping 50 cents a day you pay for nothing else. This is not a big deal and until they introduce an iwin button this is a dead in the water conversation. Its a shirt and some sunglasses people.
Sadly, this common sense won't stop others from saying they know pay to win is coming.
As I've stated before, I really don't think that buying Minmatar dog leashes or Amarrian whips will change the game. I have read all the posts up to this point. I see basically two camps.. one of them is that cash shops are detrimental to the game for numerous reasons..with some examples given. The opposing opinion is that CCP hasn't done anything too stupid yet, so we should give them a chance.
After playing LOTRO, I can understand the first camps concern. If I can purchase skills or more strength or whatever..that seems to be the problem. I have gone on record as saying I don't care if CCP even sells skill points, b/c all the sp in the world doesn't mean you know what you are doing.
I guess I'll choose to watch this from afar and be a bit more skeptical about what they decide to do next. If WoD is being developed with the Incarna and future expansions then I guess it's a good thing. I just don't see how CCP would intro things into their game that would cause a max exodus..I mean they've been doing this since 2003.
Stranger things have happened. If for some reason they intro something that I can't live with, I'll move on. As should you if it bothers you. It is a game after all.
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If they are just going to sell Vanity items such as Clothing, or character modification packages for nothing but the looks, and Perm items I am fine with it as long as they do not charge me each time I want to change my characters appearance such as change a hair, or a costume which I have already purchased and such like NC Soft does, otherwise I am going to just quit EVE again.
Oh yeah I would really hate to be charged $10 every time I want to put a pair of glasses on my character, or take them off would be kinda insane wouldn't it?
Originally posted by RenoakuOh yeah I would really hate to be charged $10 every time I want to put a pair of glasses on my character, or take them off would be kinda insane wouldn't it?
Yet, you're still playing despite they charge for the same thing for years...
Oh yeah I would really hate to be charged $10 every time I want to put a pair of glasses on my character, or take them off would be kinda insane wouldn't it?
Yet, you're still playing despite they charge for the same thing for years...
What? You can change clothes and hair as often as you want on EVE for no charge.
Paying a subscription fee and then adding velvet rope content is a bunch of bollocks that can lead to all sorts of problems down the road
Problems like?
The problems that come with the lack of money being the route of all evil. Problems like greed. Problems like paying for a competitive edge.
CCP is committed by what to keep the item shop to vanity items only? A humorous statement by a developer?
You trust them at their word that their moneygrubbing isn't going to get out of hand. Weighing the power of money and player's desire to increase their power ingame I see cracks in the wall.
The problems that come with the lack of money being the route of all evil. Problems like greed. Problems like paying for a competitive edge.
CCP is committed by what to keep the item shop to vanity items only? A humorous statement by a developer?
You trust them at their word that their moneygrubbing isn't going to get out of hand. Weighing the power of money and player's desire to increase their power ingame I see cracks in the wall.
Too bad there's some things incorrect in your argument.
1) CCP has no lack of money. They're the only western MMO that has been growing at a steady rate sans WoW.
2) If they were greedy they would have charged for expansions and not removed the cost of a PLEX to change your avatar.
3) The developers statement isn't humorous, you are.
Don't let me stop you though. Keep repeating the same things despite me linking sources many times now proving you wrong.
I could care less if its vanity items or combat items I want to pay 15 dollars a month and get ALL THE CONTENT and I will not be playing EVE unless i can get it all in game. Thye can sell it to people if they want but if i cant get i tin the game then screw them im out.
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Well the game has never really had fluff content before. Everything before Incarna has had an in game use. Besides visual variety the Incarna clothing store has absolutely no effect on the game. But all this potential clothing does incur development costs and if they didn't charge for it, it would either come very infrequently, or at the expense of other graphics developments. By charging small amounts they can't make that development pay for itself without adversly effecting the rest of the game. Turbine's system is the system that CCP's new store resembles and it has been a major positive for that game in terms of financially boosting the game's development. They went from maybe 1 update every 6 months to an update every 2 months like clockwork. Explain to me exactly how something like that would be bad for EVE.
You can't explain it, Minsc, no matter if you make it clear just as you have. They don't get if they haven't charged for it, then there'd be less content coming in, and that even if they do charge, it's totally optional (purchaseable with in game cash even), and that it's cosmetic fluff. I gave up after repeating the same thing the 3rd time.
The slippery slope argument is often used by those who don't have a valid point to make, because it intrinsically allows a person to validate their otherwise insane theories. It allows for full ignorance of the facts under the assumption that the source is simply lying, or may change their mind at a future date.
Essentially, its own shortcomings make the slippery slope undefeatable by facts, because there is so often no facts behind it. It's like arguing with someone over the coming of the rapture. And if the person is wrong, they have a safety net of "I never said it was a guarantee" to fall back on.
"The rapture is coming May 21st, just look at all the signs."
"No it isn't."
"You have no proof it isn't."
"You have no proof it is."
"That doesn't mean it's not coming."
*May 22nd*
"The rapture didn't come."
"I said it was a possibility, not a guarantee."
It will be too late by then.
Listen fella, devs don't always know what's best for the game and as somebody above suggested, they don't do it out of spite or with evil intention, they do it because they believe it will benefit them.
You're only 21 years old and probably haven't had your beloved game turned into garbage overnight by a dev team. You've never seen a dev team chase after rainbows or make "improvements" that ruined you favorite game. You've never spent years building a niche for you toon only to have the rug pulled out from under you by a well intentioned dev team.
I know what you're thinking, but, but, but... the CSM!
Is the development of the items in the item shop within the CSMs jurisdiction? Do the items require a CSM stamp of approval? Nope and nope, at least not yet - maybe you should go and suggest such a thing a nip it in the butt right now? But then, at the end of the day, the CSMs authority with eve is equal to about as much authority as I have with regards to CCP - none.
For many of us that have been betrayed by a dev team CCP was a breath of fresh air. We all sat back with a sigh of relief and said "finally, a dev team that listens and isn't out to pick our pockets..."
"Et tu, CCP?"
"Now to play with your friends on battle.net you have to pay $$$"
lol wut
I lol'ed. The CSM and players are the ones that made the PLEX for Neural Remapping not happen.
Like I said before, sources or your a troll. I linked the dev blog CLEARLY saying it was the CSM and players that told them they didn't want those game mechanics for irl cash. Your saying a lot, but without sources it holds no water, but is pure speculation. That crystal ball of yours isn't considered a source either.
And never seen a game ruined? I played EQ2 at launch. It slowly shifted to WoW type with battlegrounds and such. Just because other devs ruin there game doesn't mean all will. One dev =/= all.
So, you played EQ 2 for a few months before station exchange came out?
That explains a lot and it's no wonder this isn't an issue for you. You're used to the item shop in your MMO.
There's really not much point talking to you since you're already pre-conditioned to the idea of spending real money on ingame items while paying a subscription.
Don't worry I'm sure CCP will sell you an item that will let you catch up to the vet's SP before too long, but until then, enjoy your monocle and top hat.
Any evidence that makes you sure of such things? Oh right, your just saying random things and have no backing up. There's no point talking to someone who believes whatever they want, though there's no evidence to support there thoughts, but evidence to support the contrary. Enjoy your delusions.
EDIT: This is by no means a personal attack either, but when someone denies even when the devs words are put before them is clearly a troll. I just happen to feed them to pass time.
Heck, if they really want to make a lot of cash from the store they should charge players a fee to take the clothing completely off of their avatars, make it a one time, limited duration, probably make a small fortune every time someone wanted to run around naked. Bet you could sell them in six-packs.
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Um, he just said he played it at launch. Station exchange came out about a year later. Honestly when I played EQ2 i didn't even know station exchange existed and never needed to use it anyways.
You keep on about how microtransactions ruin a game based on your experiences with your games of choice. But you totally refuse to acknowledge that not every item shop is handled the same way. I've pointed out multiple times Turbines approach and how it's helped the game rather than hinder it and you completely refuse to recognize that because you have no interest in even considering it.
EVE's vanity items are purchased with AUR. AUR is from PLEX. PLEX is from in game cash. The cycle can link directly to in game cash. That, and the items once bought with AUR, can be put on the market for straight up in game cash to make the connection even simpler for those who want to get them that way.
And the reason why they are charging is not because it should be included in EVE. If that was the case, it would slow the actual content gameplay wise. They want vanity items initual puchases linked with a new currency (the AUR) so they can judge how much resources to put into making more, since the $$$ made from the items alone are going to fund more.
The actual content of the game, not fluff, won't be hampered this way, and all the fun stuff (sans fluff) will still be fueled by subscription costs (with the same free expansion model). I'd rather have actual content over fluff anyday, but at least this way, we get both with no slowdown.
All this was explained in thorough in a dev blog on EVE's site. I would suggest everyone read it before they share there opinion from now on, since most are thinking the same as the above poster.
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913
Turbine's approach was, for the most part, to make their games free to play with an item shop.
I'm not anti-item shop - I'm anti-item shop with a subscription fee. Paying a subscription fee and then adding velvet rope content is a bunch of bollocks that can lead to all sorts of problems down the road which turbine has largely avoided by making their games free to play.
I played Entropia Universe for a short time with friends after SWG fell apart - the gameplay wasn't my cup of tea but the micro transaction scheme was fine with me.
I'm old enough to remember the golden years of arcades - you want to talk about a micro transaction scheme? How about paying a fee to continue playing everytime you died?
Again, it's not the item shop or microtransactions that I have a problem with it's the sub fee with an additional payment scheme that bothers me because I know how corrupting the profit of a cash shop can be and CCP will need to exercise a lot of self-restraint or they might screw up everything they've, and we've, worked for over night.
Many of the people here have faith in them, some of them even have blind faith, but you'll have to forgive a few of us for our skepticism. Trust (for me) is something earned and CCP's item shop is way too new for anyone to say what will happen over time - you think they'll stick to vanity items whereas I have doubts, but it would be prudent for the both of us to keep our eyes on this feature don't you think?
So, what are your thoughts on buying expansions?
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The core of the game has pretty much stayed the same from day 1. Space ships, PVP, Single Server, and free expansions.
Yes its moved away from the hard sandox idea, but the only real change has been growth and development from it's core.
You just haven't been able to convice me this is a fundemental change.
However, that's not to say, I can't see the need for you're POV : )
Problems like?
Sadly, this common sense won't stop others from saying they know pay to win is coming.
As I've stated before, I really don't think that buying Minmatar dog leashes or Amarrian whips will change the game. I have read all the posts up to this point. I see basically two camps.. one of them is that cash shops are detrimental to the game for numerous reasons..with some examples given. The opposing opinion is that CCP hasn't done anything too stupid yet, so we should give them a chance.
After playing LOTRO, I can understand the first camps concern. If I can purchase skills or more strength or whatever..that seems to be the problem. I have gone on record as saying I don't care if CCP even sells skill points, b/c all the sp in the world doesn't mean you know what you are doing.
I guess I'll choose to watch this from afar and be a bit more skeptical about what they decide to do next. If WoD is being developed with the Incarna and future expansions then I guess it's a good thing. I just don't see how CCP would intro things into their game that would cause a max exodus..I mean they've been doing this since 2003.
Stranger things have happened. If for some reason they intro something that I can't live with, I'll move on. As should you if it bothers you. It is a game after all.
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If they are just going to sell Vanity items such as Clothing, or character modification packages for nothing but the looks, and Perm items I am fine with it as long as they do not charge me each time I want to change my characters appearance such as change a hair, or a costume which I have already purchased and such like NC Soft does, otherwise I am going to just quit EVE again.
Oh yeah I would really hate to be charged $10 every time I want to put a pair of glasses on my character, or take them off would be kinda insane wouldn't it?
Yet, you're still playing despite they charge for the same thing for years...
What? You can change clothes and hair as often as you want on EVE for no charge.
Yes, with recent changes only but for years it was/is charged service...
True. Just makes the ones who say CCP are going to rake in any money they can seem more oblivious.
The problems that come with the lack of money being the route of all evil. Problems like greed. Problems like paying for a competitive edge.
CCP is committed by what to keep the item shop to vanity items only? A humorous statement by a developer?
You trust them at their word that their moneygrubbing isn't going to get out of hand. Weighing the power of money and player's desire to increase their power ingame I see cracks in the wall.
Too bad there's some things incorrect in your argument.
1) CCP has no lack of money. They're the only western MMO that has been growing at a steady rate sans WoW.
2) If they were greedy they would have charged for expansions and not removed the cost of a PLEX to change your avatar.
3) The developers statement isn't humorous, you are.
Don't let me stop you though. Keep repeating the same things despite me linking sources many times now proving you wrong.
I could care less if its vanity items or combat items I want to pay 15 dollars a month and get ALL THE CONTENT and I will not be playing EVE unless i can get it all in game. Thye can sell it to people if they want but if i cant get i tin the game then screw them im out.
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Any person who expresses rage and loathing for an MMO is preposterous. He or she is like a person who has put on full armor and attacked a hot fudge sundae.