We we had all been told that we could use the free tp to purchase this. However It is not in the store, so in other words your going to have to spend money if you want to order this, or wait 6 months for it to be put in the store. This will be the first xpac ever for any mmo game that I have ever played that I will not be buying.
Having lost all faith that turbine will do right by this game.
It will be put in store on the day it gets released. They purposely didn't add the preorder into the store to prevent misunderstands and about a bazillion tickets asking where this isengard they just bought is.
So worry not, you can use your stored TP to buy the expansion which will be completely free for you. Don't really see the issue.
Wait, are you saying Turbine's reason for not allowing the use of TP we bought or accumulated through our paid subscription to pre-order the game is because they think we're too stupid to figure it out? Somehow after the Isen is released we'll be much smarter and figure out that buying it will now make sense.
Good thing there isn't a bunch of confusion and posts on their forums about pre-orders through digital river. I wonder why their CSR had to post explicit instructions on how to add the code in the account page without accidently making a new account?
Yeah, purchasing through the store and having the code automatically added to the account like all the other quest packs would have been much more confusing. Or, it's a blatant extra money grab just like their move to F2P from P2P.
They have encouraged their players to buy and save TP to buy expansions which they've said could be purchased with TP. They just didn't say you could "pre-order" with TP. With Turbine it's not what they say that you have to watch, but what they don't say. I'd pretty much assert they've become a trashy company. The Paiz couple is the worst thing ever to happen to LotRO.
You don't get it. They only sell stuff in the store that is existing right now in the game. You ALSO will be able to buy the expansion in the ingame store, but not until its released. Preorders are ALWAYS tied to a special deal with some retailer, they offer special gimmicks that you only get by ordering with that retailer before you even know how the product looks like. In this case the retailer is Digital River, nothing different than some special deal from Walmart for STO, or preorder boni items by ordering through Amazon.
So whats your issue? That turbine teeamed with one of their longstanding partners to offer an option to preorder an expansion thats not going to be released for about half a year? Thats your issue? "Oh woe me, i can't preorder an expansion with a made up imaginary ingame currency half a year in advance". <-- Yeah i totally see the ripoff in that.
They said you can buy it with TP from Turbine when it gets released, be satisfied with that. I really don't see why you think your are entitled to anything more.
You can twist it and make all the excuses you want. Digitial River is not a typical retailer like Amazon. When you buy something at Amazon and have a problem then Amazon (or any other retailer) handles your transaction and any problems you have with that transaction. Digital River is fronting their sales, but all purchase problems and support are still being handled through Turbine. If Turbine was partnering with other online digital distribution networks like D2D, Steam, Amazon, etc along with DR then I might buy the excuse, but they're not.
With past expansions you couldn't buy anything with TP because this is the first xpac they've delivered since their transition to F2P. Since that transition they have promoted the purchase of TP, especially during bonus point sales, with references to buying their expansions, not just store items with Turbine Points. They conveniently left out that they didn't plan on offering that option for preorder. They could have been up front about that, but chose not to. So you can get all worked, posture from your imaginary soap box, and make snarky insulting comments all you like, but that doesn't change the fact that they've been less than forthright with their marketing since moving to F2P. Feel free to disagree with my opinion and support that with your points, but there is no need to make juvenille insulting remarks.
Finally, I don't have to be satisfied with that. As the consumer, I am well within bounds to express critcism and disatisfaction. I think they've been a little shady and trashy. While I don't feel entitled to anything, I also feel they're no longer entitled to my money or support just because they're putting out an expansion after such a very long time. Take a look at their forums concerning this issue because I'm not alone in this one.
Im getting a headache here trying to follow your logic. Those are your choices:
1. They are offering you to preorder the expansion 6 months in advance + some preorder gimmicks. Want that? Preorder it.
2. They are offering you to buy the expansion with TPs once the expansion actually comes out. Want that? Wait.
Its your own choice. Both will lead you to being able to play the expansion.
You and others leaving Turbine over this won't hurt them half as much as giving in to your demands would. Any reasonable person can see that such a expansion requires a big amount of worktime(that needs to be paid), and i personally do not begrudge a company trying to earn the pay of their employees aslong as the prices are reasonable. And these prices are VERY reasonable as the bundle they offer would easily cost triple the amount in the ingame store or even more. Easily 20k TP worth of stuff in it, some of it quite useful.
Besides that these kind of complaints just annoy me, here we get a really good offer from a company and all you can do is complain. In other words its worthless trying to please some people as you will only hurt yourself doing so. If you think you get a better deal elsewhere ... goodbye and good luck. Though i think you will have a hard time finding a company that offers point stipends to regular subscribers big enough to buy expansions with while never doing promotions outside their ingame store.
Also im not trying to be snarky or insulting, im just frank and straightforward and often speak my mind when it would have been better to shut up. If i think your reasoning is stupid i say so, and im perfectly comfortable with being called out on mine or my rudeness. However no personal insult to you was ever intended by me and i apologize if i somehow hurt your feelings. That being said you don't seem to care much for the feelings of the people working for Turbine either(who after all can't defend themselves here), so i didn't expect you to have such a thin skin.
I really don't see what the big deal is about the preorder policy for the new expansion.
Is it a tad lame you cannot use points to preorder? Yep...I personally think you should be able to use tp to preorder and get all the goodies. However, it really is not a huge issue far as I'm concerned seeing as how after it goes live it will be available in the store for tp.
Do I blame them? Not really. I can understand why they're doing it to avoid those that grind tp like no one else and would purchase it and all the other accoutrements for "free". Not to mention how it enables them to increase their profits from those that are impulsive buyers and want the extras so they are willing to pay additional money even though they would or do have the tp for when the game is in the store.
I find it to be a bit of a misfire on their part because I think if they did offer preorders via tp while some would get it for free there are others that would possibly only have a portion of tp and would be willing to purchase more to preorder the game themselves. Just seems like this created unneeded tension is all since I personally think the benefits in allowing for tp purchase now would be just as if not even more profitable for them. Not to mention the amount of viral marketing it would have created that would increase their overall profitability and goodwill.
Still, I don't see how it is a huge issue since you can buy it via tp when it launches. Unless you are one of those people that simply has to have every little shiny thing.
Was it one of their best business decisions? No
Does it really matter in the whole scheme of things? No
That's my opinion anyways.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
You're not alone here. There are people who bought points just to buy the next expansion. To not allow people to pre-order with points is nothing more than a way to get more money (as TP can be gained by playing the game, thus not giving Turbine their much needed dollars).
They never promised you could preorder with TP! They promised you could buy it with TP, which you will be able to once its out, so get over yourselves.
I have to somewhat agree about the community. They seem nice, but, it's happened way too many times that people simply don't respond to simple questions, or worse, questing together when you're killing the same mobss (or about to kill a boss....).
I get ignored so much when meeting people in game, it's not even funny. Most MMOs are not like that at all.
The LOTRO community used to be great when I started playing the game but since it's gone FTP, the quality of conversation and grouping has become very disappointing.
Or maybe you just meet alot of new players who happen to play their first MMO and are not aware you can change the opacity of the text window to "Readable". Also make sure your in an active channel, Advice is NOT global and sometimes zones can be underpopulated.
Also question your chars name, and reflect on HOW you ask for help. Cause i and many others tend to help 90% of the people 90% of the time, if you repeatedly fall into the 10% ...
Just saying that if you are talking to 50+ people, and noone chooses to talk with you ... yes we COULD assume that those are 50 unfriendly/-social people you happened to meet. There is a second option though. Personally i have been able to find friendly/helpful people in every single MMO i ever played in a very short matter of time.
The LOTRO community used to be great when I started playing the game but since it's gone FTP, the quality of conversation and grouping has become very disappointing.
The community has certainly taken a hit with the f2p change but overall it is still one of the friendlier and helpful communities out there. Not sure if that is a compliment to the players of LotR or shows how awful the mmo communityu has become in general.
Still, never really have any issues in game myself besides the occasional stupidity you see at times in glff.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I have to agree, unfortunately, about the community. It is nothing better than on WoW servers. Unhelpful & ignored. My experience is fromLaurelin EU server though. It does not bother me though, but they can drop their lies that "their" community is anything better than other MMO*s; it is not any difference at all. I manage to get along, no problems there. but the ingame community is nothing to brag about though.
I have to agree, unfortunately, about the community. It is nothing better than on WoW servers. Unhelpful & ignored. My experience is fromLaurelin EU server though. It does not bother me though, but they can drop their lies that "their" community is anything better than other MMO*s; it is not any difference at all. I manage to get along, no problems there. but the ingame community is nothing to brag about though.
Wow, going to have to disagree on this to the extreme. Probably is just a server thing but even in its current condition the commuity in Rings is way more helpful and friendlier than in most other mmos.
Still, not even close to how it used to be.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I have to agree, unfortunately, about the community. It is nothing better than on WoW servers. Unhelpful & ignored. My experience is fromLaurelin EU server though. It does not bother me though, but they can drop their lies that "their" community is anything better than other MMO*s; it is not any difference at all. I manage to get along, no problems there. but the ingame community is nothing to brag about though.
Most ppl seem to be having a good community experience so I hate to say this, and its no attempt to flame but... it could be you.
I'm currently playing on EU-Laurelin and if "ignored and unhelpful" means that every questions doesnt nessecarily flood the chat channel only to eventually derail into "where's mankriks wife" bs then yes, community is very much like that.
Considering every other thing you typed was about "Banned" I can only assume you yourself were banned?
And this was your thread to bitch about it? Unfortunately you provided no proof or even description of the cause.
Free 2 Play is generally full of bad. I personally believe that the quality members of the MMO community are willing and able to pay a simple 15 dollar a month fee to enjoy a (hopefully) quality game. Free 2 Play tends to be full of the young little "shits" who are unable to pay (mommy doesn't want to).
Imagine if they offered free "anything" in the heart of a major city. You most likely won't see upscale respectable business men and women attending the event...
Considering every other thing you typed was about "Banned" I can only assume you yourself were banned? And this was your thread to bitch about it? Unfortunately you provided no proof or even description of the cause. Free 2 Play is generally full of bad. I personally believe that the quality members of the MMO community are willing and able to pay a simple 15 dollar a month fee to enjoy a (hopefully) quality game. Free 2 Play tends to be full of the young little "shits" who are unable to pay (mommy doesn't want to). Imagine if they offered free "anything" in the heart of a major city. You most likely won't see upscale respectable business men and women attending the event...
That certainly explains the quality community of WoW. All the bad people are playing the F2P games so the premier P2P game gets all the nice people, makes total sense now. Btw where is Mankriks wife?
Considering every other thing you typed was about "Banned" I can only assume you yourself were banned? And this was your thread to bitch about it? Unfortunately you provided no proof or even description of the cause. Free 2 Play is generally full of bad. I personally believe that the quality members of the MMO community are willing and able to pay a simple 15 dollar a month fee to enjoy a (hopefully) quality game. Free 2 Play tends to be full of the young little "shits" who are unable to pay (mommy doesn't want to). Imagine if they offered free "anything" in the heart of a major city. You most likely won't see upscale respectable business men and women attending the event...
I here what your saying but would disagree with that idea about F2P vs pay games.
I've played a bunch of both and have found, especially in WoW, you get more leetist jerks looking to squeeze every last penny out of their $15 every second. You could be slaughtering a dungeon moving along at agood pace with no issues, but if you have someone in the group with a DPS meter all bets are off. I have seen people feel the need to kick someone out if they aren't up to snuff (slowing them down) DPS wise. Hell I was the main healer for a group once in Cata and got grief because I was last in the DPS chart, nobody died mind you but over DPS...that would be funny if it wasn't true.
I've seen it happen to many people before and it ends up ruining the group with people asking why it was done, why the person was kicked and why the person is being a jerk.
In games like LoTro you don't have that same "level" of player for the most part. Yeah there are some with that race to the finish first attitude, but on a whole the communty is far more helpful and laid back, even going through the Book group stages, than nearlly any other game I have seen.
Is it as good as when it first came out? No, your point about little kids and others is well taken, but it still has not completly diminished what is an otherwise good game and community.
This community is among the worse in the MMO world. Damn I've play them all including WoW and this one tops the cake for community.
Started in landroval......and wow I have never met such a unhelpful and elitist community.
There is no culture in the community at all. Yeah saying the word bacon and make the same jokes a million time over is the lamest thing I've ever heard of in all my MMO days, atleast some worse (gamewise) mmo's have decent communities.
You hear /ignored and /report alot in game for little or no reason and guess what, "Turbine" really bans for no or little reason.
The Free to Play status speaks for itself.
The game itself is decent, the players are elitists low lifes, Turbine seems like a terrible company(Well they werent bad back in AC alil nazish but.) Hell I saw them ban like 2 VIP's when f2p players were dual boxxing and trolling glff.
Overall I think I will take my money elsewhere. I even saw they were banning paying members over free members so yeah.
I will not be surprised when WB shuts down LOTRO, see its employees in action makes me happy when I see them out off a job.
Also remember they ban paying members more then F2P and the ban for everything so think before you buy.
Cenorship is heavy on the fourms that should speak for itself of Turbines quality.
I started on Landroval after the f2p conversion and found a very helpful and friendly community on the public chat. Of course, Landroval being the unofficial rp server, I was careful to avoid idol chatter which may have helped. Within a week I was a member of the friendliest guild I've ever been a part of which honestly kept me logging in more than the game itself did.
As for Turbine, I've had no first hand experience with them but I do know that their payment model is my favorite among online games.
I find it interesting, though, that you are complaining about unfriendly people in games and in the same post you wish that all LotRO employees would lose their jobs and their families' livelihoods not because you know them personally or know anything about them, but simply because they work on LotRO.
I was pleasantly surprised when I went from Apprentice to full 5 star Elite in under 2 months. I was pleasantly surprised again when I went from Elite to just barely Hardcore in 2 weeks. Apprentice, here I come!
This community is among the worse in the MMO world. Damn I've play them all including WoW and this one tops the cake for community.
Started in landroval......and wow I have never met such a unhelpful and elitist community.
There is no culture in the community at all. Yeah saying the word bacon and make the same jokes a million time over is the lamest thing I've ever heard of in all my MMO days, atleast some worse (gamewise) mmo's have decent communities.
You hear /ignored and /report alot in game for little or no reason and guess what, "Turbine" really bans for no or little reason.
The Free to Play status speaks for itself.
The game itself is decent, the players are elitists low lifes, Turbine seems like a terrible company(Well they werent bad back in AC alil nazish but.) Hell I saw them ban like 2 VIP's when f2p players were dual boxxing and trolling glff.
Overall I think I will take my money elsewhere. I even saw they were banning paying members over free members so yeah.
I will not be surprised when WB shuts down LOTRO, see its employees in action makes me happy when I see them out off a job.
Also remember they ban paying members more then F2P and the ban for everything so think before you buy.
Cenorship is heavy on the fourms that should speak for itself of Turbines quality.
I've been a lifetime subscriber of LoTRO since it first came available, long before the F2P, and I will tell you this much. Since day one of the games launch ALLLLLL the way up until now, EVERY person who has recieved a Ban on thier forums has deserved it IMO. If you pull out the bad attitude, start with the big mouthery, and lavish your post with falsehoods and bad language, then you should expect, and well deserve the break from posting on the forums there.
This also goes for your in game chat as well. If you employ the same style of communications in game, you will most likely, and rightly so, see no help and recieve multiple posts of /ignore.
LoTRO has a VERY friendly community, but they are also adults, something which some so often forget. If you act like a 4 year old, you should be treated as a 4 year old. Maturity begets maturity.
If this OP by you is any indication of your attitute, then I might recommend you follow your own thoughts, and take your money elsewhere. Losing you pitance of a penny will not affect the rest of us, only in the fact that we will no longer have to deal with the negativety and immature comments you bring our way.
If you do not like those assumptions I placed upon, if you feel they are hitting a bit too close to home, then mayhaps you should look at fixing yourself instead of wishing for the demise of others.
I have yet to see the OP post a third time to object to any of these accusations. Probably just a troll looking to start some rage over LotRO or a fool who was stupid enough to make an ass out of himself. I found that pretty hard on whatever server I played the trial on.
I play on Landroval and you have no idea what you are talking about...seriously.
oh BTW..."Turbines quality" among other things, won them PC Gamers MMO of the year.
Knowing PC Gamers, are you quite certain it wasn't all of the full page ad's that Turbine purchased, that helped that along? ^^ The only game that I've seen Turbine do really well is the original Asherons Call. I played that for years. Things started down hill with Asherons Call 2. Turbine and Mickysoft messed that game up so badly, that they eventually ended up closing it down(just a couple of months after selling us an expansion pack of course...).
Then came Dungeons and Dragons online <face palm>. Lord of the Rings Online isn't really a bad game, but its obvious that they cut way too many corners in its production, and expansion. As for the community... From my experience, Its not any worse(or better) than the typical established MMO community one finds in many games today.
LOTRO is still a good game and a good community but (IMO) it has been going downhill since shortly before MOM came out. I certainly haven't been in favor of Turbines management decisions or direction in recent years...as thier primary focus seems to be pushing more content into the online store...and pushing the envelope of items offered there more and more toward "pay to win" which they promised they wouldn't do when they first anounced it.
The quality of Isengard will be an important benchmark, as far as I'm concerened, as to whether the company is still interested in producing quality content...or just focusing on a quick cash-grab in the online store. As far as I'm concerned, the jury is still out on that.
I do believe the community has slid a bit since F2P, especialy in the starter areas...but it's still pretty decent. The F2P players that have put in the time and effort to get out of the starter areas seem mostly to be decent quality people.
Note that ALOT of people turn off many of the general chat channels when they are playing, I know I do. It's too much of a distraction.
I have to agree, unfortunately, about the community. It is nothing better than on WoW servers. Unhelpful & ignored. My experience is fromLaurelin EU server though. It does not bother me though, but they can drop their lies that "their" community is anything better than other MMO*s; it is not any difference at all. I manage to get along, no problems there. but the ingame community is nothing to brag about though.
Most ppl seem to be having a good community experience so I hate to say this, and its no attempt to flame but... it could be you.
I'm currently playing on EU-Laurelin and if "ignored and unhelpful" means that every questions doesnt nessecarily flood the chat channel only to eventually derail into "where's mankriks wife" bs then yes, community is very much like that.
Probably me since I found the best ingame community in Darkfall.
No. Communities in LOTRO (Laurelin) is just as bad Or "good" if you wish, as those WoW servers I have played on. (RP-PvP)
It is one of the wors myths in the MMO genre that WoW servers has anything worse community than other games, like LOTRO for instance.
I can't comment on the starter areas after F2P, but LOTRO is far from the worst community I've experienced. Granted I spend most of my time in the new areas rather than Bree, but people have almost always been polite and answered my questions.
I'm definitely unhappy with the creative direction of the game, and the decreasing amount of content per expac. I have to assume the relatively low population is to blame for the meager expacs.
I'm very unhappy that Turbine had a huge sale on TPs and soon after announced that players could only preorder the game for cash. In my specific case it's not a big deal, as I'm a lifer that will probably have enough TPs to buy the game on release and I havem't bought any points myself. But a large number of people believed that all LOTRO sales would be through the store for TPs.
Right now I wish that Turbine didn't have the license for so long, but maybe they'll start improving things soon.
I can't comment on the starter areas after F2P, but LOTRO is far from the worst community I've experienced. Granted I spend most of my time in the new areas rather than Bree, but people have almost always been polite and answered my questions.
I'm definitely unhappy with the creative direction of the game, and the decreasing amount of content per expac. I have to assume the relatively low population is to blame for the meager expacs.
I'm very unhappy that Turbine had a huge sale on TPs and soon after announced that players could only preorder the game for cash. In my specific case it's not a big deal, as I'm a lifer that will probably have enough TPs to buy the game on release and I havem't bought any points myself. But a large number of people believed that all LOTRO sales would be through the store for TPs.
Right now I wish that Turbine didn't have the license for so long, but maybe they'll start improving things soon.
While thats always possible... Remember that Turbine is the same company that sold us all an expansion pack for Asherons Call 2, and then just a couple of months later closed the game down. I've always suspected that their top management had already made the decision to close it, and was just milking as much money out of the players, through the expansion as possible. Not to mention that Turbine is now owned by Warner Brothers... Who have an even more "interesting" history...
Sorry, just as a slight aside from the OPs topic, I've been playing the sub for two years (at least one year of which was before the f2p thing). I cancelled my sub recently to cut back on gamey spending. Logged in under free to play recently with a level 37 guardian, ran around a bit in the North downs and suddenly most of the quests have to be paid for in the cash shop! Now I've lots of higher level chars that have been through these areas when I was paying for the game so do I not get access to that content now? Surely I've bloody well paid enough for them at this stage!? Grrrrr
yup players could have bought SOA content up to like 4 times but with F2P turbine takes the content away from you
SOA
SOA CE
MOM complete
SOM complete
Ummm... you never HAD the content.
Before F2P, if you weren't subbed, could you access Bree?
No?
Then how can you complain, now? Hell... if you can manage to get to level 45-ish, you'll have complete access to MoM and SoM. If you spent a few bucks on Evendim, you'd probably have all the content you need to get there.
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/glff is like barrens chat now, just filled with kids and trolls
You don't get it. They only sell stuff in the store that is existing right now in the game. You ALSO will be able to buy the expansion in the ingame store, but not until its released. Preorders are ALWAYS tied to a special deal with some retailer, they offer special gimmicks that you only get by ordering with that retailer before you even know how the product looks like. In this case the retailer is Digital River, nothing different than some special deal from Walmart for STO, or preorder boni items by ordering through Amazon.
So whats your issue? That turbine teeamed with one of their longstanding partners to offer an option to preorder an expansion thats not going to be released for about half a year? Thats your issue? "Oh woe me, i can't preorder an expansion with a made up imaginary ingame currency half a year in advance". <-- Yeah i totally see the ripoff in that.
They said you can buy it with TP from Turbine when it gets released, be satisfied with that. I really don't see why you think your are entitled to anything more.
Im getting a headache here trying to follow your logic. Those are your choices:
1. They are offering you to preorder the expansion 6 months in advance + some preorder gimmicks. Want that? Preorder it.
2. They are offering you to buy the expansion with TPs once the expansion actually comes out. Want that? Wait.
Its your own choice. Both will lead you to being able to play the expansion.
You and others leaving Turbine over this won't hurt them half as much as giving in to your demands would. Any reasonable person can see that such a expansion requires a big amount of worktime(that needs to be paid), and i personally do not begrudge a company trying to earn the pay of their employees aslong as the prices are reasonable. And these prices are VERY reasonable as the bundle they offer would easily cost triple the amount in the ingame store or even more. Easily 20k TP worth of stuff in it, some of it quite useful.
Besides that these kind of complaints just annoy me, here we get a really good offer from a company and all you can do is complain. In other words its worthless trying to please some people as you will only hurt yourself doing so. If you think you get a better deal elsewhere ... goodbye and good luck. Though i think you will have a hard time finding a company that offers point stipends to regular subscribers big enough to buy expansions with while never doing promotions outside their ingame store.
Also im not trying to be snarky or insulting, im just frank and straightforward and often speak my mind when it would have been better to shut up. If i think your reasoning is stupid i say so, and im perfectly comfortable with being called out on mine or my rudeness. However no personal insult to you was ever intended by me and i apologize if i somehow hurt your feelings. That being said you don't seem to care much for the feelings of the people working for Turbine either(who after all can't defend themselves here), so i didn't expect you to have such a thin skin.
I really don't see what the big deal is about the preorder policy for the new expansion.
Is it a tad lame you cannot use points to preorder? Yep...I personally think you should be able to use tp to preorder and get all the goodies. However, it really is not a huge issue far as I'm concerned seeing as how after it goes live it will be available in the store for tp.
Do I blame them? Not really. I can understand why they're doing it to avoid those that grind tp like no one else and would purchase it and all the other accoutrements for "free". Not to mention how it enables them to increase their profits from those that are impulsive buyers and want the extras so they are willing to pay additional money even though they would or do have the tp for when the game is in the store.
I find it to be a bit of a misfire on their part because I think if they did offer preorders via tp while some would get it for free there are others that would possibly only have a portion of tp and would be willing to purchase more to preorder the game themselves. Just seems like this created unneeded tension is all since I personally think the benefits in allowing for tp purchase now would be just as if not even more profitable for them. Not to mention the amount of viral marketing it would have created that would increase their overall profitability and goodwill.
Still, I don't see how it is a huge issue since you can buy it via tp when it launches. Unless you are one of those people that simply has to have every little shiny thing.
Was it one of their best business decisions? No
Does it really matter in the whole scheme of things? No
That's my opinion anyways.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
You're not alone here. There are people who bought points just to buy the next expansion. To not allow people to pre-order with points is nothing more than a way to get more money (as TP can be gained by playing the game, thus not giving Turbine their much needed dollars).
They never promised you could preorder with TP! They promised you could buy it with TP, which you will be able to once its out, so get over yourselves.
Or maybe you just meet alot of new players who happen to play their first MMO and are not aware you can change the opacity of the text window to "Readable". Also make sure your in an active channel, Advice is NOT global and sometimes zones can be underpopulated.
Also question your chars name, and reflect on HOW you ask for help. Cause i and many others tend to help 90% of the people 90% of the time, if you repeatedly fall into the 10% ...
Just saying that if you are talking to 50+ people, and noone chooses to talk with you ... yes we COULD assume that those are 50 unfriendly/-social people you happened to meet. There is a second option though. Personally i have been able to find friendly/helpful people in every single MMO i ever played in a very short matter of time.
The community has certainly taken a hit with the f2p change but overall it is still one of the friendlier and helpful communities out there. Not sure if that is a compliment to the players of LotR or shows how awful the mmo communityu has become in general.
Still, never really have any issues in game myself besides the occasional stupidity you see at times in glff.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I have to agree, unfortunately, about the community. It is nothing better than on WoW servers. Unhelpful & ignored. My experience is fromLaurelin EU server though. It does not bother me though, but they can drop their lies that "their" community is anything better than other MMO*s; it is not any difference at all. I manage to get along, no problems there. but the ingame community is nothing to brag about though.
Make us care MORE about our faction & world pvp!
Wow, going to have to disagree on this to the extreme. Probably is just a server thing but even in its current condition the commuity in Rings is way more helpful and friendlier than in most other mmos.
Still, not even close to how it used to be.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Most ppl seem to be having a good community experience so I hate to say this, and its no attempt to flame but... it could be you.
I'm currently playing on EU-Laurelin and if "ignored and unhelpful" means that every questions doesnt nessecarily flood the chat channel only to eventually derail into "where's mankriks wife" bs then yes, community is very much like that.
Considering every other thing you typed was about "Banned" I can only assume you yourself were banned?
And this was your thread to bitch about it? Unfortunately you provided no proof or even description of the cause.
Free 2 Play is generally full of bad. I personally believe that the quality members of the MMO community are willing and able to pay a simple 15 dollar a month fee to enjoy a (hopefully) quality game. Free 2 Play tends to be full of the young little "shits" who are unable to pay (mommy doesn't want to).
Imagine if they offered free "anything" in the heart of a major city. You most likely won't see upscale respectable business men and women attending the event...
That certainly explains the quality community of WoW. All the bad people are playing the F2P games so the premier P2P game gets all the nice people, makes total sense now. Btw where is Mankriks wife?
I here what your saying but would disagree with that idea about F2P vs pay games.
I've played a bunch of both and have found, especially in WoW, you get more leetist jerks looking to squeeze every last penny out of their $15 every second. You could be slaughtering a dungeon moving along at agood pace with no issues, but if you have someone in the group with a DPS meter all bets are off. I have seen people feel the need to kick someone out if they aren't up to snuff (slowing them down) DPS wise. Hell I was the main healer for a group once in Cata and got grief because I was last in the DPS chart, nobody died mind you but over DPS...that would be funny if it wasn't true.
I've seen it happen to many people before and it ends up ruining the group with people asking why it was done, why the person was kicked and why the person is being a jerk.
In games like LoTro you don't have that same "level" of player for the most part. Yeah there are some with that race to the finish first attitude, but on a whole the communty is far more helpful and laid back, even going through the Book group stages, than nearlly any other game I have seen.
Is it as good as when it first came out? No, your point about little kids and others is well taken, but it still has not completly diminished what is an otherwise good game and community.
Exactly!
I started on Landroval after the f2p conversion and found a very helpful and friendly community on the public chat. Of course, Landroval being the unofficial rp server, I was careful to avoid idol chatter which may have helped. Within a week I was a member of the friendliest guild I've ever been a part of which honestly kept me logging in more than the game itself did.
As for Turbine, I've had no first hand experience with them but I do know that their payment model is my favorite among online games.
I find it interesting, though, that you are complaining about unfriendly people in games and in the same post you wish that all LotRO employees would lose their jobs and their families' livelihoods not because you know them personally or know anything about them, but simply because they work on LotRO.
I was pleasantly surprised when I went from Apprentice to full 5 star Elite in under 2 months. I was pleasantly surprised again when I went from Elite to just barely Hardcore in 2 weeks. Apprentice, here I come!
I've been a lifetime subscriber of LoTRO since it first came available, long before the F2P, and I will tell you this much. Since day one of the games launch ALLLLLL the way up until now, EVERY person who has recieved a Ban on thier forums has deserved it IMO. If you pull out the bad attitude, start with the big mouthery, and lavish your post with falsehoods and bad language, then you should expect, and well deserve the break from posting on the forums there.
This also goes for your in game chat as well. If you employ the same style of communications in game, you will most likely, and rightly so, see no help and recieve multiple posts of /ignore.
LoTRO has a VERY friendly community, but they are also adults, something which some so often forget. If you act like a 4 year old, you should be treated as a 4 year old. Maturity begets maturity.
If this OP by you is any indication of your attitute, then I might recommend you follow your own thoughts, and take your money elsewhere. Losing you pitance of a penny will not affect the rest of us, only in the fact that we will no longer have to deal with the negativety and immature comments you bring our way.
If you do not like those assumptions I placed upon, if you feel they are hitting a bit too close to home, then mayhaps you should look at fixing yourself instead of wishing for the demise of others.
The players are great on my server.
Obviously you will run into elitists but you do in every game thats this top heavy.
Just find a nice guild and you should be golden.
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
I have yet to see the OP post a third time to object to any of these accusations. Probably just a troll looking to start some rage over LotRO or a fool who was stupid enough to make an ass out of himself. I found that pretty hard on whatever server I played the trial on.
Knowing PC Gamers, are you quite certain it wasn't all of the full page ad's that Turbine purchased, that helped that along? ^^ The only game that I've seen Turbine do really well is the original Asherons Call. I played that for years. Things started down hill with Asherons Call 2. Turbine and Mickysoft messed that game up so badly, that they eventually ended up closing it down(just a couple of months after selling us an expansion pack of course...).
Then came Dungeons and Dragons online <face palm>. Lord of the Rings Online isn't really a bad game, but its obvious that they cut way too many corners in its production, and expansion. As for the community... From my experience, Its not any worse(or better) than the typical established MMO community one finds in many games today.
LOTRO is still a good game and a good community but (IMO) it has been going downhill since shortly before MOM came out. I certainly haven't been in favor of Turbines management decisions or direction in recent years...as thier primary focus seems to be pushing more content into the online store...and pushing the envelope of items offered there more and more toward "pay to win" which they promised they wouldn't do when they first anounced it.
The quality of Isengard will be an important benchmark, as far as I'm concerened, as to whether the company is still interested in producing quality content...or just focusing on a quick cash-grab in the online store. As far as I'm concerned, the jury is still out on that.
I do believe the community has slid a bit since F2P, especialy in the starter areas...but it's still pretty decent. The F2P players that have put in the time and effort to get out of the starter areas seem mostly to be decent quality people.
Note that ALOT of people turn off many of the general chat channels when they are playing, I know I do. It's too much of a distraction.
Probably me since I found the best ingame community in Darkfall.
No. Communities in LOTRO (Laurelin) is just as bad Or "good" if you wish, as those WoW servers I have played on. (RP-PvP)
It is one of the wors myths in the MMO genre that WoW servers has anything worse community than other games, like LOTRO for instance.
Make us care MORE about our faction & world pvp!
I can't comment on the starter areas after F2P, but LOTRO is far from the worst community I've experienced. Granted I spend most of my time in the new areas rather than Bree, but people have almost always been polite and answered my questions.
I'm definitely unhappy with the creative direction of the game, and the decreasing amount of content per expac. I have to assume the relatively low population is to blame for the meager expacs.
I'm very unhappy that Turbine had a huge sale on TPs and soon after announced that players could only preorder the game for cash. In my specific case it's not a big deal, as I'm a lifer that will probably have enough TPs to buy the game on release and I havem't bought any points myself. But a large number of people believed that all LOTRO sales would be through the store for TPs.
Right now I wish that Turbine didn't have the license for so long, but maybe they'll start improving things soon.
While thats always possible... Remember that Turbine is the same company that sold us all an expansion pack for Asherons Call 2, and then just a couple of months later closed the game down. I've always suspected that their top management had already made the decision to close it, and was just milking as much money out of the players, through the expansion as possible. Not to mention that Turbine is now owned by Warner Brothers... Who have an even more "interesting" history...
Ummm... you never HAD the content.
Before F2P, if you weren't subbed, could you access Bree?
No?
Then how can you complain, now? Hell... if you can manage to get to level 45-ish, you'll have complete access to MoM and SoM. If you spent a few bucks on Evendim, you'd probably have all the content you need to get there.