Great Article on Massively.com About Recent Events

Darkholme

I will not repost any of it here for lazy people, as it is well worth the read, especially people that are either behind on what the hubub is about or confused...

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/26/eve-evolved-the-day-that-eve-online-died/#continued

erictlewis

That was a very good read, thank you so very much.  what got me was the analogy on page 2 of sacrificing the long term power players and going after the new players.   I personally feel this is a mistake as well, having seen this in lotro, lots of folks playing but not many vets now.

I read somewhere that they inted on meeting withthe csm in a few day's somwhere amoung the many threads.

 

Darkholme

Originally posted by erictlewis

 

I read somewhere that they inted on meeting withthe csm in a few day's somwhere amoung the many threads.

 

Yeah, CCP is flying the CSM members out to Iceland for an emergency summit meeting to figure out what to do... We'll see what happens after July 1st. 

Xondar123

Originally posted by erictlewis

That was a very good read, thank you so very much.  what got me was the analogy on page 2 of sacrificing the long term power players and going after the new players.   I personally feel this is a mistake as well, having seen this in lotro, lots of folks playing but not many vets now.

I read somewhere that they inted on meeting withthe csm in a few day's somwhere amoung the many threads.

 

CCP Zulu's latest blog said they will be meeting with the CSM on Monday or Tuesday.

 

This was an excellent article, and all those who are intent on calling EVE players whiners and babies should read this article three times so that it sinks in.

Fdzzaigl

I didn't get what was going on at first, as I haven't played EVE in a very very long time, but this excellently written article and the actual leaked document made it a lot clearer...

CCP ironically speaks of EVE as their "golden goose" in the document. I would suggest they remember the lessons that another old tale teaches as well: don't try to cut your goose with the golden eggs open for short time profit.

In the leaked document, they went on and on about ways to get people to fall for virtual goods while not realising the frustration all of these clever little tricks can bring with them. Player enjoyment is what gets you the long time profits first and foremost, they'd do well to remember that. They'd also do well to remember not to bring real life economic differences into the virtual world.

Jonsus

Originally posted by erictlewis

That was a very good read, thank you so very much.  what got me was the analogy on page 2 of sacrificing the long term power players and going after the new players.   I personally feel this is a mistake as well, having seen this in lotro, lots of folks playing but not many vets now.

I read somewhere that they inted on meeting withthe csm in a few day's somwhere amoung the many threads.

 

SWG NGE. CCP should have known better.

Jonsus

I see this whole thing as a result of the "Grass is greener on the other side of the fence" mindset. A bird in the hand is always worth more than two in the bush. Game companies should stop trying to snag new subscribers or MMOs at the expense of their loyal playerbase.

cosy

oh boy that article do have heavy gold ammo against EvE 

 

good read

someforumguy

Heh, just read the mentioned dev blog by CCP Zulu where he talks about the NEX store prices for the vanity stuff. Is that guy for real? Comparing clothing pixels to $1000 dollar jeans from some exclusive rl clothing store? It wouldve been funny if his blog was meant satirical

daeandor

I find it ironic that this is all happening to EVE at the same time SWG's demise is announced...

 

I wonder if the devs at CCP are doing any facepalms right now?

qazyman

Originally posted by daeandor

I find it ironic that this is all happening to EVE at the same time SWG's demise is announced...

 

I wonder if the devs at CCP are doing any facepalms right now?

Well the advertisements might have been better, but they couldn't have been louder

EDIT: Great article too........one of the best I've read.

Hazelle

Originally posted by someforumguy

Heh, just read the mentioned dev blog by CCP Zulu where he talks about the NEX store prices for the vanity stuff. Is that guy for real? Comparing clothing pixels to $1000 dollar jeans from some exclusive rl clothing store? It wouldve been funny if his blog was meant satirical

 He's inferring that the store bought items provide players with a physical status symbol to display their wealth, much like a pair of 1000 dollar jeans, which would hold true only if the items were sold for ISK alone, but as it is, you can purchase the plex, break it into aur, then buy the item without spending any ISK at all; so, my toon wearing 1000 dollar jeans doesn't nessessarily mean that I'm wealthy ingame and the status symbol loses it's status as a symbol of my ingame wealth.

To fix it they need to allow the items to drop as high end loot or be made by expensive industry manufacturing so that you don't know if it was store bought or dropped or player made - kind of like team fortress 2 (there's a shadow of doubt involed where that dude with that high end flamethrower might of earned it the hard way and not bought it from the store).

I like Zulu's blogs most of the time and I've found them to have a certain humour in them that I enjoy.  I'm willing to give him a break due to some of the posts by players over on the eve site are really dirty and are often directed towards him and people that he works with - ranging from personal insults to mild death threats - I'm sure that they've rattled his cage a bit and thrown him off his game, as they would for me in his position.  He's just doing his job.

stragen001

Excellent Article, good post!

What they are doing is just plain foolhardy. 

When I heard they were thinking about introducing avatars and space stations you could actually walk around I thought thank god one developer is trying to actually develop their game to attract more subscribers, rather than sell out and just try to make money off of a cash shop, or freemium model

Havent they learnt anything from SWG?!  CCP have been around for many a year so should know better than this. This could easily be EVE: NGE

CCP have always been sensible, stable developers that understood that keeping players happy = keeping subs so I reckon someone high up has decided they need to raise money for whatever reason and forced this downwards..

 

Edit: Also, trying to compare ingame items to actual realword items is crazy - technically you probably dont even actually own the items you purchase from the cash shop, i bet its in the smallprint somewhere

tachgb

"Rightly or wrongly, there is a sentiment within the community that the developer would be foolish to ignore - that CCP is merely the caretaker of a hard-knock school that the players built for themselves. The subscriptions may belong to CCP, but the world belongs to its community. "

 

Eurogamer article made 27.06.11

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-27-eve-online-in-crisis-article

VultureSkull

I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. CCP CEO Hilmar

This is, to me, the most telling statement of all the current commotion over EVE.

What it says to me is that "We CCP are changing our ways, regardless of what we did in the past, if players don't like it then they will vote with their feet not with their mouths"

 

 

So there we have it. It is time to put up or shut up.

We have seen a trend over the recent years where games are moving to F2P and introducing cash shops. CCP are following suit. If we don't like it then we cancel our sub. If the people who don't like this model (and feel so strongly about it that they cancel) are in the majority then ultimately Cash shops will fail.

Otherwise they will become the norm and all the main games will follow suit. WoW has introduced lvl 1 to 20 as F2P, read about that here. So will Eve become F2P too with cash shops? And if so is that a bad thing?

I think if it does become the norm we will be better off for it. As competition will raise, increasing the quality of games in the long run as more and more quailty F2P games appear we will gravitate to the best ones.

 

These are interesting times as we observe how the MMO market is changing before our eyes.