Gotta love all the incredibly ignorant comments by non-Eve players who simply have no understanding of a player driven economy and how microtransaction non-vanity items would damage that and player achivement.
Eve is a vastly different game from all the other MMO's with MT these ignorant people are trying to compare Eve too. Eve is a sandbox where players mine/collect/research, manufacture, and sell nearly everything on the market. When you start bypassing that player run economy with non-vanity MT you damage the most vital part of Eve.
Final thought - if you know absolutely nothing about a game, don't comment on it.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
This is no laughing matter! If EVE succeeds to set a precedent, we will see more high priced items and game changing items in item shops in other MMOs. I am always aghast to see how little solidarity among gamers exists. If you think this is a funny or irrelevant topic you haven't really understood anything about MMOs. This may as well be the decisive moment about what directions MMOs will develop. If they get through with that sort of item shop, then woe to us all.
Don't come in 5 years all crying because 50-100 dollar game changing item shop stuff became the norm, becuse we gamers failed to fight against it when we still had the chance!
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The greed-themed internal memo and clumsy business decisions are too much for my taste. I won't be resubbing in the near future. I'll wait to see how the game and model continues to evolve.
I hope that World of Darkness has a sexy item mall with gold capped fangs for $499.00.
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wonder how this will play out. either way, people will all learn something from this, though not sure yet what that will be.
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I think it's good that the players are standing up and showing CCP that they won't take this shit.
Honestly, I thought there was a typo or something when I read how much money CCP is charging for a single appearance item. It's insane that they would honestly believe their players would put up with that, regardless of how many experts claimed otherwise.
It's absurd, really truly absurd. It alienates the players. The players who spend that money on a fucking monocle would be ridiculed to no end by other players.
Its not absurd. YOU don't have to buy it. If you don't want to spend real money on it, then you can buy it with ISK, but it does nothing for you as a player except look like a douche who spent $50 on a monocle.
Ah I think I got it now! Monocles are simply status symbols. The monocle was used by the rich and famous in the 1800's: The antiquarianPhilipp von Stosch wore a monocle in Rome in the 1720s, in order to closely examine engravings and antique engraved gems, but the monocle did not become an article of gentlemen's apparel until the nineteenth century. It was introduced by thedandy'squizzing glass of the 1790s, as a sense of high fashion (wiki).
The point of the monocle in EVE is not utility. It is simply a "certificate" saying you in fact are a rich person with monetary power in real life (or in game). That is the whole point. It is what CCP is implementing. The point is that for this item to be worth while, only a few must be able/interested to buy it. If everybody gets it, it becomes pointless (of course, CCP would happily take your monies).
Actually CCP should probably raise the price to 200$.
I'm interested in seeing how many that say they will quit, actually quit. We've seen this in MMO's for years, so many claim to quit yet within a week are playing again. They try new games realize they are no longer at the top and go back to where they were.
Probably about as many that quit and didn't find the need to post in that forum thread.
Even though they bitch for nothing as the noble store is meaingless this type of action will force CCP to revert the changes and think twice before they attempt this kind of thing again.
Even if its just fluff crap, the players dont like it and CCP isnt dumb.
Just wait in 6 months the noble store will be gone.
I think many people do not realise how much people spend on things like this. Even if a small number of folk spend money on Rodeo Drive it is enough to keep those shops running. It is the same principle here they do not need a large number of subscribers spending the money on these items they just need those same type of people who buy designer shoes and handbags and so on. It is a human condition people do these things about the things they like. They like to buy that extra thing no matter how much it costs and MMORPGamers are no different.
This is no laughing matter! If EVE succeeds to set a precedent, we will see more high priced items and game changing items in item shops in other MMOs. I am always aghast to see how little solidarity among gamers exists. If you think this is a funny or irrelevant topic you haven't really understood anything about MMOs. This may as well be the decisive moment about what directions MMOs will develop. If they get through with that sort of item shop, then woe to us all.
Don't come in 5 years all crying because 50-100 dollar game changing item shop stuff became the norm, becuse we gamers failed to fight against it when we still had the chance!
I've been complaining for about 5 years about the lack of MMO's that are strongly group focused, with forced downtimes between fights, long travel times (which help to improve socialization in MMO's) and I've been told I'm a niche market that is no longer worth serving and I should learn to suck it up and adapt to the market changes or get out of the genre.
Same thing here really, if and when they decide to sell items of power for 100 dollars I'll have a choice to either suck it up or leave the genre, but there's no real fighting the changes, microtransactions and other alternative payment models to the standard subscription are inevitable, because a majority of the gaming population won't mind, they don't play these games like a blood sport.
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This is no laughing matter! If EVE succeeds to set a precedent, we will see more high priced items and game changing items in item shops in other MMOs. I am always aghast to see how little solidarity among gamers exists. If you think this is a funny or irrelevant topic you haven't really understood anything about MMOs. This may as well be the decisive moment about what directions MMOs will develop. If they get through with that sort of item shop, then woe to us all.
Don't come in 5 years all crying because 50-100 dollar game changing item shop stuff became the norm, becuse we gamers failed to fight against it when we still had the chance!
Gamers of the World Unite, you have nothing to lose but your Cash Shops!!....
Gamers need a Union! Thats the Only way to prevent the vile scourge of Cash Shops from spreading through out the world...
Or perhaps, one should vote with ones wallet, and not play games that do things one doesn't like? If enough players do that, it wouldn't make business sense to continue to expand this. On the other hand, if enough players support it, then its what they want. I've never had an objection to cash shops, in and of themselves. In fact, if I enjoy a "free to play" game, I make certain I use the cash shop. Why? Because I want the Dev's to make money on their hard work, and to increase the chance that they will continue to add to the game. Game companies ARE in the *business* to make a profit after all.
I think that the future will hold that more people want a balance of items in a shop vs only time gets you stuff in games. That balance will have to be found...but the day of the hardcore is fading and the day of the casual is dawning into late morn.
I think that the future will hold that more people want a balance of items in a shop vs only time gets you stuff in games. That balance will have to be found...but the day of the hardcore is fading and the day of the casual is dawning into late morn.
It actually makes a lot of sense. Computers, computer games and particularly MMORPGs have been around long enough now that a whole lot of people have grown up on them. They have jobs that provide far more disposable income than when they started playing MMORPGs. However, they have far less time available to play. They still love MMORPGs, they still want to be able to do well in them and find some way to keep up with players that have 12 hours per day to devote to games. Cash shops are the answer they are looking for -- they will come and people most certainly will use them.
so yout hink the greed is a good thing it isnt fyi
Greed is the reason we have Eve or video games/mass entertainment in general. Greed is why we have computers, why you eat more in a single meal than some people eat in a week. Greed is why we have these fancy smart phones and tablets. Greed is why you're driving around in a car/truck. Greed is why you wear name brand clothes. I could keep going but I hope I made my point already.
And I'm sure people will argue that some of these things were created not because of greed but because of the desire for innovation and achievement. Not going to argue that point. We all have these available to us now because someone knew they could make a buck off of it though.
You've been reading too much Ayn Rand.
Hardly. Rand made some good points, but she didn't go nearly far enough in some regards. The very first principle is that of self ownership. You either have *total* self ownership, or you are a slave. It doesn't get much more fundamental than that.
Being a "little bit" owned by others, is like being a "little bit" pregnant
The rest of a rational world view and philosophy naturally flow from that principle. Isn't it wonderful for our various Dear Leaders, that the vast majority of people aren't rational, and are easy to lead around by their illusions and delusions? ^^
This entire issue with CCP over EVE is a tempest in a tea pot. Whats left of the "free market" will determine how this turns out. If enough people refuse to support games that use this business model, then there is a market for games that do not.
On the other hand(as I suspect is the case), if there are enough people who support it, then it will tend to grow over time. It is after all, a matter of making the best ROI thats possible in a given market.
But now greed has taken over everywhere and someone came with the idea why not have both models within the same game and start squeezing every penny out of our suckers....ehhh customers. /facepalm
May that person burn in hell when he dies! /sigh
It is not greed... It has to do with the fact that the "geek" who used to play after school and had lots fo free time but little money have grown up and now have a job and a family.. thus giving him lots of money but little time... Ergo he is very much willing to pay for things that makes it easier for him to play the game...
combine that with the fact that the new generation ask them self "why should i pay for this" and want things to be free to play, cash shops are the way fo the future... If you do not like it you will have sto start your own company and produce a game without those things.
Also... Eve was never a fair game to begin with due to its linear skillgain.
I don't think this is true. I don't always have the time to play a game as much as others, but I'll never resort to Item Shops in order to keep up. Pay to advance is the biggest turn off in games and it makes me sick. I play to have fun, and to be handed everything on a silver plate is not fun..
So, it is going as planned. Looks like people are forgetting why the people started the protests in the first place. The high prices wasn't the focus. It was CCP reneging of their promises, and their refusal to state that they will not introduce non-vanity items.
It is clear to me that they absolutely intend to introduce non-vanity items, unless a whole lot of subs cancel. Remember how they tried to sell a Scorpion from the shop, saying you would not need a trade in your old scorpion because "they couldn't get the trade-in feature to work yet?" BS. That was a non-vanity item, created out of thin air for cash, and they only decided not to do it because people complained.
Anyway, so now the argument devolves to the meaningless "high prices." If they are smart, they will lower the prices significantly, and the protest organizers will despair as everyone will be farting rainbows.
But now greed has taken over everywhere and someone came with the idea why not have both models within the same game and start squeezing every penny out of our suckers....ehhh customers. /facepalm
May that person burn in hell when he dies! /sigh
It is not greed... It has to do with the fact that the "geek" who used to play after school and had lots fo free time but little money have grown up and now have a job and a family.. thus giving him lots of money but little time... Ergo he is very much willing to pay for things that makes it easier for him to play the game...
combine that with the fact that the new generation ask them self "why should i pay for this" and want things to be free to play, cash shops are the way fo the future... If you do not like it you will have sto start your own company and produce a game without those things.
Also... Eve was never a fair game to begin with due to its linear skillgain.
I don't think this is true. I don't always have the time to play a game as much as others, but I'll never resort to Item Shops in order to keep up. Pay to advance is the biggest turn off in games and it makes me sick. I play to have fun, and to be handed everything on a silver plate is not fun..
Eve has done this for a long time though with being able to buy accounts from others. I could buy a guy that can do what your 6+ year guy can.
so yout hink the greed is a good thing it isnt fyi
Greed is the reason we have Eve or video games/mass entertainment in general. Greed is why we have computers, why you eat more in a single meal than some people eat in a week. Greed is why we have these fancy smart phones and tablets. Greed is why you're driving around in a car/truck. Greed is why you wear name brand clothes. I could keep going but I hope I made my point already.
And I'm sure people will argue that some of these things were created not because of greed but because of the desire for innovation and achievement. Not going to argue that point. We all have these available to us now because someone knew they could make a buck off of it though.
Not really. Believe it or not, some people actually do the things they do because they want to, NOT because they're compelled to make as much money as possible.
I assure you, people don't play music because they're greedy. Or write books that will most likely yield them maybe 22 cents per hour invested, if anything. Or become firemen. Or cops.
If greed was truly the main motivating factor for productivity, people would all do the same thing: whatever it is that makes the most money. And they also wouldn't have any of those nasty, resource leeching kids...
Your arguement has one fatal flaw...
True, the people producing may not be motivated by making as much money as possible. However, they are under the watchful eye and guidance of those who are.
I'm sure no developer in his right mind wants to rush a product out the door before it's ready, intentially create boring grinds to make the game 'last' longer, or to create problems in gameplay that can have 'solutions' conveniently sold in a cash shop. But at times they have to, because they're told to do so by those who have more authority than they do. If the developers want to continue to have a job, then they just have to do what the number crunchers tell them to do, even if they personally know it's going to make the game suck.
And that's where the true problem is. The execs and other number crunchers who exist to make the shareholders as much profit as possible. They don't care if the product they sell is a steaming pile of crap, so long as whatever they sell makes the company the most money. Which is the entire problem, a lot of these people are so out of touch with reality that they think that shoving in ridiculously unbalanced and/or overpriced cash shops is the best thing ever. Who can blame them? Who wouldn't want to have a business where they sold effortlessly duplicated products for $25-70+ a pop? The problem is, adding this type of thing completely destroys the game in the long run, in part because it's giving the finger to the customers, and a most of them know it even if they silently swallow it and keep playing.
In general broadstrokes I totally agree, (Although in CCP's case I feel it's more that the've pushed themselves too far in other areas and need to inact some other way of covering a blackhole in their finances, otherwise their in serious danger of going bankrupt).
This is what happens in entertainment when the people in charge are accountants by trade. That's why music is so harmoginised and specifically targeted. Why, 'succesful', films become franchises. Why reality television has taken over because of the advertising revenue and why games have become portals for companies to suck dry gamers and then get them to move onto the next content lite generic thing.
Sad times indeed, but the only way you can really object is with you wallet.
and i will not return untill they drop this ludacrist idea that equates to $80 for a vanity item. Also P2W is relative because you can buy Plex and convert it to ISK and buy bigger ships.
But this all revolves around you skill points... This is where the problem comes in for me... Will CCP let players buy Skillpoints ..as this give players the realy P2W advantage.
And i dont consider buying a Character with 30 mill skillpoints the same thing as the character path has already be determined.
Might as well sell my 75 million skillpoint toon on EBAY.............havent played in a year and dont even think I will return now. Might as well get something out of it.
OK a quick heads up for peeps who think the current PLEX system is P2W. It isn't. PLEX is Pay to Play. The only thing actually being sold, bought, destroyed (yes PLEX can be destroyed) transferred or otherwise manipulated is subscription time. It has no other function other than to extend the time a given person can play EVE. Whether that person pays with real cash or in game cash it does nothing more than buy time. PLEX does not equal win.
Likewise unlike numerous other MMO's out there EVE does not have an End Game. There is no raid or dungeon or huge boss that a group of people can take on and come out the other end shouting " I've got all the shineys it's possible to get and you don't! I win and you suck!" There IS a lot of "I win and you suck!" but it isn't because of all the shineys they've got. It because of all the shineys that someone else had that just got destroyed.
Now, I'm one of the silent majority. This is the first time I've posted on this subject. I think it's probably only the third or fourth time I've posted anything on these forums but I'm concerned. Concerned as hell. To be honest I couldn't care less about a vanity MT store. If someone wants to buy a monacle for 0ver $60 that's fine by me. I think they'd be idiotic to do it but it's their choice. I'm not even massively concerned that there may be none-vanity items in the MT store at some stage. I do know it will be a deal breaker for me when it happens. I'm not certain - they, like me are silent after all - but I feel the silent majority are going to happily enjoy the game ignoring the MT store until the game breaking items come out then they're going to get the hell out of EVE. I know I will be doing that.
No. My big concern is twofold:
1.) CCP lied to the players. This is something, to my knowledge, CCP have never ever done. At least not deliberately. Sure they've screwed up, been incompetent, tried to over-achieve and generally been way to optimistic for their own good but they've never outright lied. They have regarding the introduction of an MT store into EVE. I and an awful lot of the silent majority are shocked and dismayed by that.
2.) I actually believe the MT store is out of CCPs control. No matter what happens at the CSM or how much the players revolt the MT store is here to stay and CCP can't do a thing about it. My guess is this is the forerunner to The DUST MT store and it's being driven not by CCP but by Sony. The DUST MT store is the price CCP will have to pay for getting DUST onto a console - any console. Because DUST and EVE are going to be so closely tied together EVE will have to have the MT store as well. I have a horrible horrible feeling the EVE MT store is being introduced to appease SOE and the store contents and proceeds will be dictated by and be going to SOE not CCP.
That REALLY concerns me.
But. Only time will tell so now I go back into the undergrowth and keep my peace. Watching and waiting and playing EVE until such a time as CCP beocomes the Icelandic based regional HQ of SOE.
They should make the vanity item 2,000 USD, thats just as rediculous to me as paying 80 bucks for one. And boy oh boy would that show your status for paying that much, I mean how could you not be a "hardcore" player without one? lol
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Gotta love all the incredibly ignorant comments by non-Eve players who simply have no understanding of a player driven economy and how microtransaction non-vanity items would damage that and player achivement.
Eve is a vastly different game from all the other MMO's with MT these ignorant people are trying to compare Eve too. Eve is a sandbox where players mine/collect/research, manufacture, and sell nearly everything on the market. When you start bypassing that player run economy with non-vanity MT you damage the most vital part of Eve.
Final thought - if you know absolutely nothing about a game, don't comment on it.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
This is no laughing matter! If EVE succeeds to set a precedent, we will see more high priced items and game changing items in item shops in other MMOs. I am always aghast to see how little solidarity among gamers exists. If you think this is a funny or irrelevant topic you haven't really understood anything about MMOs. This may as well be the decisive moment about what directions MMOs will develop. If they get through with that sort of item shop, then woe to us all.
Don't come in 5 years all crying because 50-100 dollar game changing item shop stuff became the norm, becuse we gamers failed to fight against it when we still had the chance!
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The greed-themed internal memo and clumsy business decisions are too much for my taste. I won't be resubbing in the near future. I'll wait to see how the game and model continues to evolve.
I hope that World of Darkness has a sexy item mall with gold capped fangs for $499.00.
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wonder how this will play out. either way, people will all learn something from this, though not sure yet what that will be.
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Ah I think I got it now! Monocles are simply status symbols. The monocle was used by the rich and famous in the 1800's: The antiquarian Philipp von Stosch wore a monocle in Rome in the 1720s, in order to closely examine engravings and antique engraved gems, but the monocle did not become an article of gentlemen's apparel until the nineteenth century. It was introduced by thedandy's quizzing glass of the 1790s, as a sense of high fashion (wiki).
The point of the monocle in EVE is not utility. It is simply a "certificate" saying you in fact are a rich person with monetary power in real life (or in game). That is the whole point. It is what CCP is implementing. The point is that for this item to be worth while, only a few must be able/interested to buy it. If everybody gets it, it becomes pointless (of course, CCP would happily take your monies).
Actually CCP should probably raise the price to 200$.
Probably about as many that quit and didn't find the need to post in that forum thread.
Eve players are so smart.
Even though they bitch for nothing as the noble store is meaingless this type of action will force CCP to revert the changes and think twice before they attempt this kind of thing again.
Even if its just fluff crap, the players dont like it and CCP isnt dumb.
Just wait in 6 months the noble store will be gone.
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I think many people do not realise how much people spend on things like this. Even if a small number of folk spend money on Rodeo Drive it is enough to keep those shops running. It is the same principle here they do not need a large number of subscribers spending the money on these items they just need those same type of people who buy designer shoes and handbags and so on. It is a human condition people do these things about the things they like. They like to buy that extra thing no matter how much it costs and MMORPGamers are no different.
I've been complaining for about 5 years about the lack of MMO's that are strongly group focused, with forced downtimes between fights, long travel times (which help to improve socialization in MMO's) and I've been told I'm a niche market that is no longer worth serving and I should learn to suck it up and adapt to the market changes or get out of the genre.
Same thing here really, if and when they decide to sell items of power for 100 dollars I'll have a choice to either suck it up or leave the genre, but there's no real fighting the changes, microtransactions and other alternative payment models to the standard subscription are inevitable, because a majority of the gaming population won't mind, they don't play these games like a blood sport.
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Gamers of the World Unite, you have nothing to lose but your Cash Shops!!....
Gamers need a Union! Thats the Only way to prevent the vile scourge of Cash Shops from spreading through out the world...
Or perhaps, one should vote with ones wallet, and not play games that do things one doesn't like? If enough players do that, it wouldn't make business sense to continue to expand this. On the other hand, if enough players support it, then its what they want. I've never had an objection to cash shops, in and of themselves. In fact, if I enjoy a "free to play" game, I make certain I use the cash shop. Why? Because I want the Dev's to make money on their hard work, and to increase the chance that they will continue to add to the game. Game companies ARE in the *business* to make a profit after all.
I think that the future will hold that more people want a balance of items in a shop vs only time gets you stuff in games. That balance will have to be found...but the day of the hardcore is fading and the day of the casual is dawning into late morn.
It actually makes a lot of sense. Computers, computer games and particularly MMORPGs have been around long enough now that a whole lot of people have grown up on them. They have jobs that provide far more disposable income than when they started playing MMORPGs. However, they have far less time available to play. They still love MMORPGs, they still want to be able to do well in them and find some way to keep up with players that have 12 hours per day to devote to games. Cash shops are the answer they are looking for -- they will come and people most certainly will use them.
Hardly. Rand made some good points, but she didn't go nearly far enough in some regards. The very first principle is that of self ownership. You either have *total* self ownership, or you are a slave. It doesn't get much more fundamental than that.
Being a "little bit" owned by others, is like being a "little bit" pregnant
The rest of a rational world view and philosophy naturally flow from that principle. Isn't it wonderful for our various Dear Leaders, that the vast majority of people aren't rational, and are easy to lead around by their illusions and delusions? ^^
This entire issue with CCP over EVE is a tempest in a tea pot. Whats left of the "free market" will determine how this turns out. If enough people refuse to support games that use this business model, then there is a market for games that do not.
On the other hand(as I suspect is the case), if there are enough people who support it, then it will tend to grow over time. It is after all, a matter of making the best ROI thats possible in a given market.
I don't think this is true. I don't always have the time to play a game as much as others, but I'll never resort to Item Shops in order to keep up. Pay to advance is the biggest turn off in games and it makes me sick. I play to have fun, and to be handed everything on a silver plate is not fun..
So, it is going as planned. Looks like people are forgetting why the people started the protests in the first place. The high prices wasn't the focus. It was CCP reneging of their promises, and their refusal to state that they will not introduce non-vanity items.
It is clear to me that they absolutely intend to introduce non-vanity items, unless a whole lot of subs cancel. Remember how they tried to sell a Scorpion from the shop, saying you would not need a trade in your old scorpion because "they couldn't get the trade-in feature to work yet?" BS. That was a non-vanity item, created out of thin air for cash, and they only decided not to do it because people complained.
Anyway, so now the argument devolves to the meaningless "high prices." If they are smart, they will lower the prices significantly, and the protest organizers will despair as everyone will be farting rainbows.
Eve has done this for a long time though with being able to buy accounts from others. I could buy a guy that can do what your 6+ year guy can.
It's the problem with EvE the under-the-table stuff has been there for years...unless you really know someone they could change on you overnight.
Why should CCP be any different than their players.
In general broadstrokes I totally agree, (Although in CCP's case I feel it's more that the've pushed themselves too far in other areas and need to inact some other way of covering a blackhole in their finances, otherwise their in serious danger of going bankrupt).
This is what happens in entertainment when the people in charge are accountants by trade. That's why music is so harmoginised and specifically targeted. Why, 'succesful', films become franchises. Why reality television has taken over because of the advertising revenue and why games have become portals for companies to suck dry gamers and then get them to move onto the next content lite generic thing.
Sad times indeed, but the only way you can really object is with you wallet.
I Cancelled 3 accounts ...
and i will not return untill they drop this ludacrist idea that equates to $80 for a vanity item. Also P2W is relative because you can buy Plex and convert it to ISK and buy bigger ships.
But this all revolves around you skill points... This is where the problem comes in for me... Will CCP let players buy Skillpoints ..as this give players the realy P2W advantage.
And i dont consider buying a Character with 30 mill skillpoints the same thing as the character path has already be determined.
Might as well sell my 75 million skillpoint toon on EBAY.............havent played in a year and dont even think I will return now. Might as well get something out of it.
OK a quick heads up for peeps who think the current PLEX system is P2W. It isn't. PLEX is Pay to Play. The only thing actually being sold, bought, destroyed (yes PLEX can be destroyed) transferred or otherwise manipulated is subscription time. It has no other function other than to extend the time a given person can play EVE. Whether that person pays with real cash or in game cash it does nothing more than buy time. PLEX does not equal win.
Likewise unlike numerous other MMO's out there EVE does not have an End Game. There is no raid or dungeon or huge boss that a group of people can take on and come out the other end shouting " I've got all the shineys it's possible to get and you don't! I win and you suck!" There IS a lot of "I win and you suck!" but it isn't because of all the shineys they've got. It because of all the shineys that someone else had that just got destroyed.
Now, I'm one of the silent majority. This is the first time I've posted on this subject. I think it's probably only the third or fourth time I've posted anything on these forums but I'm concerned. Concerned as hell. To be honest I couldn't care less about a vanity MT store. If someone wants to buy a monacle for 0ver $60 that's fine by me. I think they'd be idiotic to do it but it's their choice. I'm not even massively concerned that there may be none-vanity items in the MT store at some stage. I do know it will be a deal breaker for me when it happens. I'm not certain - they, like me are silent after all - but I feel the silent majority are going to happily enjoy the game ignoring the MT store until the game breaking items come out then they're going to get the hell out of EVE. I know I will be doing that.
No. My big concern is twofold:
1.) CCP lied to the players. This is something, to my knowledge, CCP have never ever done. At least not deliberately. Sure they've screwed up, been incompetent, tried to over-achieve and generally been way to optimistic for their own good but they've never outright lied. They have regarding the introduction of an MT store into EVE. I and an awful lot of the silent majority are shocked and dismayed by that.
2.) I actually believe the MT store is out of CCPs control. No matter what happens at the CSM or how much the players revolt the MT store is here to stay and CCP can't do a thing about it. My guess is this is the forerunner to The DUST MT store and it's being driven not by CCP but by Sony. The DUST MT store is the price CCP will have to pay for getting DUST onto a console - any console. Because DUST and EVE are going to be so closely tied together EVE will have to have the MT store as well. I have a horrible horrible feeling the EVE MT store is being introduced to appease SOE and the store contents and proceeds will be dictated by and be going to SOE not CCP.
That REALLY concerns me.
But. Only time will tell so now I go back into the undergrowth and keep my peace. Watching and waiting and playing EVE until such a time as CCP beocomes the Icelandic based regional HQ of SOE.
EDIT: Couple of grammer/spelling mistakes
They should make the vanity item 2,000 USD, thats just as rediculous to me as paying 80 bucks for one. And boy oh boy would that show your status for paying that much, I mean how could you not be a "hardcore" player without one? lol
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