I would still like to see the proof that LA had anything to do with the "lousy" NGE or CU changes. To date I have seen a LOT of people blaming LA, yet nobody has shown me a bit of proof that the DEVELOPER didn't mess that game up worse than it was at launch. Can any diehard SWG fan, or anyone else for that matter, offer up a link that will finally prove that LA is behind this CONSPIRACY?
Both SOE and LA are accountable for this. You really think SOE would do something like that without showing it to LA first and get a thumbs up?
It was however not LAs idea. One of the devs got the idea for a new auto target system, so they had a meeting (probably used drugs at it considering what they decided) and decided to revamp the entire game to get more players.
LA is not innocent, they could have stopped this easily, but hopefully did at least them learn something from the misstake, Smedley still seems to think it was the right thing to do.
Still, I really hope LA keep their greasy paws away from TOR and let Bioware do their stuff, I knew which company I liked most games from of those 2 and it sure insn't LA.
I agree that LA isn't innocent. They if they really wanted to could have stopped it. However unless we have some kind of transcript to know for certain theres no way of knowing if the way Smedly and co. presented it might have sounded good to LA at the time. After all spin doesn't just occur in marketing. it occurs in almost all areas, and when SoE was trying to pass this upgrade off i'm sure they made it sound better and more appealing then it really was.
However noting that LA after seeing what happen to the game probably should have stepped in for the sake of the IP but I think by this point it was already too late. Who knows, however, and this is just speculating, if Smed had ask LA if they could have rolled back i don't think LA would have had an issue with it. I just think they didn't care either way, both essentially had the star wars feel to it and didn't really break lore that i know of, except for the jedis and i still don't understand why LA didn't step in there and say no seeing as it was a pretty big thing to just basically throw the lore in the meat grinder and destroy it by essentially making luke who was suppose to be one of the last, basically one of thousands, that one of the last jedi was suppose to be a major plot point if i still remember the series correctly, thats what made luke so important in those movies, save for one other the jedis were all but dead, SoE who had it set in that timeline just basically nullified that point when they allowed people to becomes jedis.
With that in mind i'm more of the ideal that LA is a passive when it comes to these games and only agressive when it messes with the lore....on most cases. Who knows but i agree with you that between LA and BW having say in the game i'd prefer BW, and thats more so because of what LA and more importantly what GL has allowed to happen in that universe, frankly BW's version feels more like SW (to me) then GL's version does which is funny in and of itself.
As for the topic itself because i feel like i'm going off on a tangit here (which i could do a lot of for SWG), I really doubt if the release date would be around the same time as SWG closing that would from a marketing and consumer stand point seem too much like one dies and the other rises and may or may not work out well, it's risky at best. I think (and no i'm not in marketing) it would be far better to start a month or two before SWG ending so the game can establish itself in the MMO world for when SWG closes and people can seemlessly transfer over if they wish.
I personally do not believe that LA had any control over the game at all EXCEPT as it pertains to lore. The ONLY way they could have controlled the "system" of the game itself was to revoke the liscence OR refuse to renew the liscence. Now, since we have no idea if they had any legal grounds to revoke it, then we are left with the renewal option. Anyone know the period of time the liscence covers? I highly doubt is is only a year at a time, maybe five years, so even that option may not have been feasible. On top of that, why would they bother revoking the liscence or refusing the liscence when they are making money? The fact is that the game continued to make at least a little bit of money for SOE due to some fans, so LA would have actually been ill served to stop SOEs actions. The way it worked out, both LA and SOE still made some money. Now SOE seems to have decided that they are not making enough, or potentially will not make enough after SWTOR launches, to bother renewing the liscence.
So again I ask, can ANYONE show me a link to prove that LA ordered the NGE or CU and therefore ruined the buggy SWG? Maybe some link that proves that LA refused to renew the liscence for SWG and therefore forced SOE to end the game? If you can't, I am forced to believe that a DEVELOPER of a poorly made game (bugs and lack of content at release) made some further bad decisions (NGE and CU) and now that the future of their game looks bleak, they decided to dump it.
As for SWG's cancellation date being SWTOR's release date, I don't think so. I think we will see a small overlap in between the start of one game and the end of the other.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Personally I think that the only reason SWG might be closed down anywhere close to the release date of SWTOR is due to Bioware being so far behind their original schedule and the license for SWG contract coming up for renewal.
I think that Bioware and Lucas Arts had planned for SWTOR to already be out right now and Lucas Arts/SOE could then close the game down sometime after SWTOR released. Most likely no one would have made any complaints about that, because they would just assume the SWG lost the last remaining players. It would have been a much cleaner exit strategy for both Lucas Arts and SOE.
Still waiting for the OP to explain why LA would be worried by a Star Wars MMORPG that few played. A sub base of 10k isn't a threat, it's an embarassment to the IP.
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I personally do not believe that LA had any control over the game at all EXCEPT as it pertains to lore. The ONLY way they could have controlled the "system" of the game itself was to revoke the liscence OR refuse to renew the liscence. Now, since we have no idea if they had any legal grounds to revoke it, then we are left with the renewal option. Anyone know the period of time the liscence covers? I highly doubt is is only a year at a time, maybe five years, so even that option may not have been feasible. On top of that, why would they bother revoking the liscence or refusing the liscence when they are making money? The fact is that the game continued to make at least a little bit of money for SOE due to some fans, so LA would have actually been ill served to stop SOEs actions. The way it worked out, both LA and SOE still made some money. Now SOE seems to have decided that they are not making enough, or potentially will not make enough after SWTOR launches, to bother renewing the liscence.
So again I ask, can ANYONE show me a link to prove that LA ordered the NGE or CU and therefore ruined the buggy SWG? Maybe some link that proves that LA refused to renew the liscence for SWG and therefore forced SOE to end the game? If you can't, I am forced to believe that a DEVELOPER of a poorly made game (bugs and lack of content at release) made some further bad decisions (NGE and CU) and now that the future of their game looks bleak, they decided to dump it.
As for SWG's cancellation date being SWTOR's release date, I don't think so. I think we will see a small overlap in between the start of one game and the end of the other.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
LA is all about the money thay would love it if there were 50 games going as long as thay get thier buck.
It happens.SOE in a jam moneys tight. Gotta let go sometimes free some resources, hope for the best.
Listen Mr Lucas gets what he wants. even speilberg is afraid of him.
Personally I think that the only reason SWG might be closed down anywhere close to the release date of SWTOR is due to Bioware being so far behind their original schedule and the license for SWG contract coming up for renewal.
I think that Bioware and Lucas Arts had planned for SWTOR to already be out right now and Lucas Arts/SOE could then close the game down sometime after SWTOR released. Most likely no one would have made any complaints about that, because they would just assume the SWG lost the last remaining players. It would have been a much cleaner exit strategy for both Lucas Arts and SOE.
Still waiting for the OP to explain why LA would be worried by a Star Wars MMORPG that few played. A sub base of 10k isn't a threat, it's an embarassment to the IP.
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