Last time I tried Eve I was somewhat disappointed in the gameplay, but the game has an immersion and lure to it I can't deny. I never got the chance to pvp either, just ran some of the missions.
Well, is it possible to compete in Eve as a beginner? The progression system seems like it's impossible to catch up.
Can u give me an example of how a new player would be useful to a corp?
Scouting, Tackling, Ewar, Hauling, Extra dps (the +1 factor), bait, looter, and I'm know some more but I'll let others tack some on
Thanks, but let's say I want to be a force in battle, can that ever happen or am I just too far behind?
The biggest thing stopping me from joining Eve is how progression works. It's still the "flip a skill" and let it auto fill offline right?
You are too far behind, don't bother.
Nope. You are not 'too far behind' OP as each ship has a finite amount of skills needed to pilot it effectively. But it will take time if you want to fly about in high skill requirement ships.
The advantage high skill point vets have (in terms of character skill points) is the ability to jump in and out of any ship with any loadout to fit the situation. Someone having 5 million more skill points than you in Social Skills is not going to amount to a hill of beans in a pitched battle quite frankly.
Nope. The power curve is similar to any other WOW clone: level 80's have no chance against level 85's.
Trolls will be trolls.
To the OP - Not unless you want to be able to 1v1 a vet. Once you realize that pvp is more about ship/fleet compositions and what ranges the engagement is taking place at (who warps in on who etc), then you realize that being able to fly the best ship doesn't mean diddly.
The only glaring disadvantage you'll have is that you won't be as flexible as a vet with what you can fly. Being able to swap from a dictor, to a logi, to an armor bc, to a shield bc, to vaga, to a dramiel, etc is the advantage that a vet has. Most people usually prefer to pvp in regular BCs to keep costs down anyway.
However, as a young buck, you start to learn how these ships contribute to fleets and it makes you set goals and such with ships. Hard to believe I've been playing 8 months, time flew by.
I joined a 0.0 nullsec PvP Corp/alliance holding some hostile sov less than 2 months into playing (took a month to get an interview but itw as worth it). Nullsec PvP is all I know and I wouldn't have it any other way. Don't listen to the kids that wan't to be the masters of the game, you can play and be very effective. If you want to have the best guns and do the most damage, then no, you will be disappointed still.
Last time I tried Eve I was somewhat disappointed in the gameplay, but the game has an immersion and lure to it I can't deny. I never got the chance to pvp either, just ran some of the missions.
Well, is it possible to compete in Eve as a beginner? The progression system seems like it's impossible to catch up.
Can u give me an example of how a new player would be useful to a corp?
Scouting, Tackling, Ewar, Hauling, Extra dps (the +1 factor), bait, looter, and I'm know some more but I'll let others tack some on
Thanks, but let's say I want to be a force in battle, can that ever happen or am I just too far behind?
The biggest thing stopping me from joining Eve is how progression works. It's still the "flip a skill" and let it auto fill offline right?
You are too far behind, don't bother.
Nope. You are not 'too far behind' OP as each ship has a finite amount of skills needed to pilot it effectively. But it will take time if you want to fly about in high skill requirement ships.
The advantage high skill point vets have (in terms of character skill points) is the ability to jump in and out of any ship with any loadout to fit the situation. Someone having 5 million more skill points than you in Social Skills is not going to amount to a hill of beans in a pitched battle quite frankly.
Nope. The power curve is similar to any other WOW clone: level 80's have no chance against level 85's.
For a noob never to be able to catch up would assume two things:
1. That there is an endless amount of skills/levels and as such you can never cap out.... Which is false.
2. That there is not a finite amount of skills that you can use which are applicable to the given ship you are flying and the equipment you are using at the time.... Which is also false.
In any given scenario and with a vet flying a ship, a noob is more than capable of 'catching up' as only a specific skill set can be utilized at any given time. The advantage the vet has is ISK, experience and the ability to fly a wide range of set ups at any given moment. I.e. the vet has a wide range of skills, whereas the relative newcomer is far more focused.
Nice try though.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
Last time I tried Eve I was somewhat disappointed in the gameplay, but the game has an immersion and lure to it I can't deny. I never got the chance to pvp either, just ran some of the missions.
Well, is it possible to compete in Eve as a beginner? The progression system seems like it's impossible to catch up.
Can u give me an example of how a new player would be useful to a corp?
Scouting, Tackling, Ewar, Hauling, Extra dps (the +1 factor), bait, looter, and I'm know some more but I'll let others tack some on
Thanks, but let's say I want to be a force in battle, can that ever happen or am I just too far behind?
The biggest thing stopping me from joining Eve is how progression works. It's still the "flip a skill" and let it auto fill offline right?
You are too far behind, don't bother.
Nope. You are not 'too far behind' OP as each ship has a finite amount of skills needed to pilot it effectively. But it will take time if you want to fly about in high skill requirement ships.
The advantage high skill point vets have (in terms of character skill points) is the ability to jump in and out of any ship with any loadout to fit the situation. Someone having 5 million more skill points than you in Social Skills is not going to amount to a hill of beans in a pitched battle quite frankly.
Nope. The power curve is similar to any other WOW clone: level 80's have no chance against level 85's.
Thanks for finally coming out and admitting you're just trolling. For a while there I was worried you were genuinely ignorant, but now I realise you're just doing an excellent imitation.
I would LOVE to get into Eve but everything always feels so slow. I dont know what it is, maybe I'm looking at the thing all wrong but I feel like it will take me forever to do anything. A few times I tried it I wanted to be a miner so I would line up my skill training in Evemon and it would say I would need a year to get into the ships I really wanted. I dont wanna sit for a year. But I dont know, if someone can tell me a different way to look at the game then I'm all ears because I love Eve and I love following the game, but I have a hard time playing it.
that's because you only consider yourself valuable (and maybe think the game is fun) only at maxed skills.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
I simply want to take part in some of the battles.
Which skills would you suggest focusing on. I believe my old account only got as far as an Amarr cruiser. So take it from there if you have a suggestion that would have me underway in about a 1-2 month timeframe.
Also if anyone has any fan links on how to play that would be helpful.
If you got yourself a decent crew to run with, you can start at frigates Learn up maneuvers, and such until you can use MWD and use a webber and a warp disruptor o.o
Points and webs are EXTREMELY useful. Gang (aside from blob gang) needs pointers and webbers
Then from there, work your way up the skills.
Edit :
Do you hae friends or access to newbie corps?
If you do then stik to frigs and theyll help you with the rest. If not, PVE until you find a corp to join with. Ask the help hcannel on how to find the corp recruitment and lfcorp channels o.o
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I simply want to take part in some of the battles.
Which skills would you suggest focusing on. I believe my old account only got as far as an Amarr cruiser. So take it from there if you have a suggestion that would have me underway in about a 1-2 month timeframe.
Also if anyone has any fan links on how to play that would be helpful.
This shows some day old characters taking down one of the best solo ships in the game. Try doing that in WOW.
What it really show, however, IMHO is that EVE isn’t about the skills you train or how many you have. EVE is about how good your social skills are, and how well you use them.
I simply want to take part in some of the battles.
Which skills would you suggest focusing on. I believe my old account only got as far as an Amarr cruiser. So take it from there if you have a suggestion that would have me underway in about a 1-2 month timeframe.
Also if anyone has any fan links on how to play that would be helpful.
The Maller is the go-to disposable heavy tackler; you can fit it to have an absurdly high EHP, then hang on like grim death to the target until it's dead from the attentions of the rest of your gang.
The Arbitrator is a fine ship and you can do some very clever things with it's tracking disrupter bonus, but you'll need to skill up drones and EW some to get the best from it.
The Omen isn't great, but you can do good DPS at range, and once you learn to fly it you'll make yourself very useful. Just stay out of web range!
As a new player you should mostly be thinking in terms of gang support, especially if you're in Caldari & Amarr ships, which have a design focus towards fleets rather than the solo/small skirmish theme of Gallante/Minmatar ships. Just remember that every ship has counters - and that includes your target as well as you.
I simply want to take part in some of the battles.
Which skills would you suggest focusing on. I believe my old account only got as far as an Amarr cruiser. So take it from there if you have a suggestion that would have me underway in about a 1-2 month timeframe.
Also if anyone has any fan links on how to play that would be helpful.
The Maller is the go-to disposable heavy tackler; you can fit it to have an absurdly high EHP, then hang on like grim death to the target until it's dead from the attentions of the rest of your gang.
The Arbitrator is a fine ship and you can do some very clever things with it's tracking disrupter bonus, but you'll need to skill up drones and EW some to get the best from it.
The Omen isn't great, but you can do good DPS at range, and once you learn to fly it you'll make yourself very useful. Just stay out of web range!
As a new player you should mostly be thinking in terms of gang support, especially if you're in Caldari & Amarr ships, which have a design focus towards fleets rather than the solo/small skirmish theme of Gallante/Minmatar ships. Just remember that every ship has counters - and that includes your target as well as you.
I would LOVE to get into Eve but everything always feels so slow. I dont know what it is, maybe I'm looking at the thing all wrong but I feel like it will take me forever to do anything. A few times I tried it I wanted to be a miner so I would line up my skill training in Evemon and it would say I would need a year to get into the ships I really wanted. I dont wanna sit for a year. But I dont know, if someone can tell me a different way to look at the game then I'm all ears because I love Eve and I love following the game, but I have a hard time playing it.
You are going about this game the wrong way. So you want to mine, i can tell you straight away it's not gonna be more fun to mine in a Hulk than it is in an Osprey. If you think you NEED a certain ship to enjoy the game, you will never enjoy the game. If you like mining, start mining straight away. The same goes for other ship classes. If you want to be a tackler, start training relevant skills and start tackling in a frig if you have to.
If im running level 1 missions in a rifter and i think they are boring, im not going to like level 4 missions in a machariel any better.
I've just finished a 15-day trial, and purchased a full account a couple days ago, and I'm having a blast. I've not had this much fun with an MMO since the enourmous seiges in early Darkfall days.
Basically, one way to look at it is that skills determine what ship you can fly, and whatt modules you can fit to it. I've always been a combat person (because I LOVE PvP), so obviously, I'm combat focused in EVE too.
I started out flying a Frigate (lovely little Rifter, actually), which are some of the smallest (and fastest) ships in the game, that most noobs tend to fly. However, let me tell you this: When it comes to PvP in EVE, their is not one ship that is better than another. Obviously if shit goes down with a player in, say, a BattleCruiser, and I'm at quite a distance, his big guns are going to completely obliterate me. However, if I manage to get close distance before this happens (microwarp drives often help with this), and orbit this player at close range with my AfterBurners on, because his ship is so big and slow (speed wise), and his guns have a pretty slow tracking speed, he has a very, very hard time landing a hit. Obviously though, because his ship can take a lot of hits, he's probably gonna call someone else in before I take him down. In a group though, Frigates are very useful in many PvP situations.
I've been in a CORP for almost a week now, I was actually recruited based on the fact that I was 10 days old, and already have a negative security status, LOL.
I haven't been on any group PvP OPs with them yet, but that's out of my own choice. I want to wait untill I can fly a BattleCruiser atleast, because in lowsec (0.1-0.4) space, if you attack someone (which flags you to 'police', and the player you just killed, and his CORP for 15mins) CONCORD (NPC 'police' ships) will not get involved, however, their are big guns on the stations and stargates that will shoot me up if I'm near them, and I'll probably have trouble handling the shots, meaning I'll have to wait untill I'm no longer flagged to jump system (so I'll end up being a liability most likely, I don't want that).
Been ratting (killing NPC pirates, hard ones in this case) with some guys a couple times though, made a nice amount of ISK to get some pretty nice fits for my new cruiser. I can now run Rank 2 missions solo, and am making a lovely amount of ISK from 'em . And I've been to 0.4 twice, once killed a miner and warped from area to area untill the flag wore off and escaped with some not-too-shabby shit.
Another ISK tactic I LOVE, although risky, is warping through 0.0 systems in my Rifter to find some large-ish battles going on, and I'm not going to disclose the exact stratergy of how I do this on a public forum, but basically I hang around nearby large battles and steal from the wreckages before the fight is over, then get out fast and sell the modules. They're too busy with their fight to react within the time it takes me to warp in, loot, warp out. Each repeat increases in risk, but gets me more loot. To someone like me, large Tech 2 fits sell on the market for a fucking smashing amount of ISK
Anyway, hope you enjoyed my mini-review/story of EVE from a noobie PvP enthusiasts perspective. One tip: Join a CORP. Having familiar faces to advise you, help you in your time of need, and have general chatter with and do some ratting and mission running with is absolutely brilliant. EVE is all about what you make of it. It is a sandbox afterall.
Hope you plan on subscribing mate!
And remember, fly wrecklessly.
This guy is DOING IT RIGHT.
Focus on what you can do, not on what others can do that you can't. Explore. Take risks. Get involved. Have fun.
EVE is incredibly friendly to new players if they're the right kind of new player, one prepared to play like this and think like a winner, not a victim.
+1 to both quotes here. Greatness
Cheers guys, this made me smile .
And that video of them players killing a tengu in Tech 1 Destroyers and Frigates is amazing LOL! Guessing they just got a bit bored and wanted to try out CN-EVE?
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Always hating on instances in MMOs! Open worlds, open PvP, territory control and housing please. More persistence, more fun.
Last time I tried Eve I was somewhat disappointed in the gameplay, but the game has an immersion and lure to it I can't deny. I never got the chance to pvp either, just ran some of the missions.
Well, is it possible to compete in Eve as a beginner? The progression system seems like it's impossible to catch up.
Can u give me an example of how a new player would be useful to a corp?
Scouting, Tackling, Ewar, Hauling, Extra dps (the +1 factor), bait, looter, and I'm know some more but I'll let others tack some on
Thanks, but let's say I want to be a force in battle, can that ever happen or am I just too far behind?
The biggest thing stopping me from joining Eve is how progression works. It's still the "flip a skill" and let it auto fill offline right?
You are too far behind, don't bother.
Nope. You are not 'too far behind' OP as each ship has a finite amount of skills needed to pilot it effectively. But it will take time if you want to fly about in high skill requirement ships.
The advantage high skill point vets have (in terms of character skill points) is the ability to jump in and out of any ship with any loadout to fit the situation. Someone having 5 million more skill points than you in Social Skills is not going to amount to a hill of beans in a pitched battle quite frankly.
Nope. The power curve is similar to any other WOW clone: level 80's have no chance against level 85's.
You're just a casual observer of eve online - you have no choice but to relent to the experience of the people that actually play the game.
In other words, you're talking out of your ass so shut up already, because the "experts" of this game are talking and they say skill points don't mean anything.
I'm about 2 months into my EVE account and I own a Drake (Battlecruiser) with full Tier 2 Shield Modules attached (except for my T1 Medium Shield Rigs) and around this time next week I will be able to outfit it with Tier 2 Heavy Missile Launchers and week after that i'll be able to command 5 active Hobgoblins (Light Drones).
I can do Level 3 Security Missions comfortably by myself since I regen 247 shield per second (roughly 2 minutes to regen my shields from 0).
My advice is to apply to EVE-University and participate in their practical as well as their Theory lessons which they run daily, then when youre comfortable with the game find friendly corp to join. Unfortunately most established corps, even the 'noob' friendly ones dont accept anyone below 1-3 Million Skillpoints, but I was lucky to have joined a RL friends corps who was very helpful.
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As a returning new player (It has been a long time, i am basically starting from the bottom up) and I have to admit that the community is friendly, there are plenty of newbie corps out there with whom you can advance, and the tutorial system is now much better at teaching the basics of the game.
When it comes to catching up with the more experienced players, it may take some time but I do feel as though you can get there, join a corp, new or old, help build an empire.
I think the best way of looking at it is that EVE is not all about you, but how you become a part of the universe.
Mention of the impending super capital nerf should be even more motivating for new players as sub capitals will be that much more important now (you'll be comfortably in a battleship 2-3 months in.
As a returning new player (It has been a long time, i am basically starting from the bottom up) and I have to admit that the community is friendly
I think it might perhaps be more accurate to say that the community is helpful.
It's like getting raped by a guy who leaves the address of the local VD clinic and a link to a site about which is the best method of birth control for you, and also maybe he calls a cab for you.
Last time I tried Eve I was somewhat disappointed in the gameplay, but the game has an immersion and lure to it I can't deny. I never got the chance to pvp either, just ran some of the missions.
Well, is it possible to compete in Eve as a beginner? The progression system seems like it's impossible to catch up.
Can u give me an example of how a new player would be useful to a corp?
Scouting, Tackling, Ewar, Hauling, Extra dps (the +1 factor), bait, looter, and I'm know some more but I'll let others tack some on
Thanks, but let's say I want to be a force in battle, can that ever happen or am I just too far behind?
The biggest thing stopping me from joining Eve is how progression works. It's still the "flip a skill" and let it auto fill offline right?
You are too far behind, don't bother.
Nope. You are not 'too far behind' OP as each ship has a finite amount of skills needed to pilot it effectively. But it will take time if you want to fly about in high skill requirement ships.
The advantage high skill point vets have (in terms of character skill points) is the ability to jump in and out of any ship with any loadout to fit the situation. Someone having 5 million more skill points than you in Social Skills is not going to amount to a hill of beans in a pitched battle quite frankly.
Nope. The power curve is similar to any other WOW clone: level 80's have no chance against level 85's.
You're just a casual observer of eve online - you have no choice but to relent to the experience of the people that actually play the game.
In other words, you're talking out of your ass so shut up already, because the "experts" of this game are talking and they say skill points don't mean anything.
I wouldn't say that skill points dont mean anything, because they're sure nice to have and they open a lot of doors. Just that they're not the be-all and end-all, and that they're not inherently more important than being intelligent, having good game knowledge, good social skills, etc.
What always frustrated me the most in EVE the time I tried it was that I had no interest in flying the big ships. I wanted to be a fast ship pilot (frigates basically) but the PvE missions would tear me apart in a frig so I felt pressured into training up to a battle cruiser and I hated that flying cow so damn much.
Maybe I was wrong, and I sucked at the game that much I do know but that was the main thing that drove me off. I had pictured myslf cruising the galaxy at fast speeds being a bounty hunter, pirate, dick, and all around scumbag.
Never got anywhere close to being able to attempt any of those things. :P
What always frustrated me the most in EVE the time I tried it was that I had no interest in flying the big ships. I wanted to be a fast ship pilot (frigates basically) but the PvE missions would tear me apart in a frig so I felt pressured into training up to a battle cruiser and I hated that flying cow so damn much.
Maybe I was wrong, and I sucked at the game that much I do know but that was the main thing that drove me off. I had pictured myslf cruising the galaxy at fast speeds being a bounty hunter, pirate, dick, and all around scumbag.
Never got anywhere close to being able to attempt any of those things. :P
There are plenty of fast ships that aren't frigates. Vagabonds and Macherials come to mind, maybe a Tengu? Macherial is what I'm trying to work towards at the moment. It's not small and zippy, but it's pretty damn fast for a battleship. You won't be doing much ratting/missions in frigates unfortunately. If that's a deal breaker for you then bummer.
You can definitely be a pirate and pvp in fast stuff. I know plenty of people that specialize in interceptors and they can really crank out some quality speed and manuverability. Knowing how to fly one well is harder than it seems. Some small-gang fleets have nano-fit battlecruisers that are really light and quick.
Being a pirate as a noob doesn't work too well unless you have a really good corp/support group. I never tried, but I would imagine. It's not like a themepark game or Darkfall where you can have a twinked out character that gives you a nice safety net. You can have an expensive ship here and die in a fire to something stupid if you don't know what you're doing and what you're going against.
What always frustrated me the most in EVE the time I tried it was that I had no interest in flying the big ships. I wanted to be a fast ship pilot (frigates basically) but the PvE missions would tear me apart in a frig so I felt pressured into training up to a battle cruiser and I hated that flying cow so damn much.
Maybe I was wrong, and I sucked at the game that much I do know but that was the main thing that drove me off. I had pictured myslf cruising the galaxy at fast speeds being a bounty hunter, pirate, dick, and all around scumbag.
Never got anywhere close to being able to attempt any of those things. :P
There are plenty of fast ships that aren't frigates. Vagabonds and Macherials come to mind, maybe a Tengu? Macherial is what I'm trying to work towards at the moment. It's not small and zippy, but it's pretty damn fast for a battleship. You won't be doing much ratting/missions in frigates unfortunately. If that's a deal breaker for you then bummer.
You can definitely be a pirate and pvp in fast stuff. I know plenty of people that specialize in interceptors and they can really crank out some quality speed and manuverability. Knowing how to fly one well is harder than it seems. Some small-gang fleets have nano-fit battlecruisers that are really light and quick.
Being a pirate as a noob doesn't work too well unless you have a really good corp/support group. I never tried, but I would imagine. It's not like a themepark game or Darkfall where you can have a twinked out character that gives you a nice safety net. You can have an expensive ship here and die in a fire to something stupid if you don't know what you're doing and what you're going against.
you want a fast battleship.. put a mwd 100mn on a typhoon.. 1280 m/sec .. eventually..
for pve though.. even assuming your just doing level 4 missions.. even a drake can handle it.. pvp and pve are 2 very different beasts in Eve.... to say a frigate can't handle it.. is.. misleading.. and ignores their true value.. and how much fun pvp in a frig can be .. though admittedly my favourite pvp frigate is actualy.. a wolf.. tech II assault frigate
What always frustrated me the most in EVE the time I tried it was that I had no interest in flying the big ships. I wanted to be a fast ship pilot (frigates basically) but the PvE missions would tear me apart in a frig so I felt pressured into training up to a battle cruiser and I hated that flying cow so damn much.
Maybe I was wrong, and I sucked at the game that much I do know but that was the main thing that drove me off. I had pictured myslf cruising the galaxy at fast speeds being a bounty hunter, pirate, dick, and all around scumbag.
Never got anywhere close to being able to attempt any of those things. :P
It would be quite easy to do lvl1's with frigate, and later on lvl2's.
If you main goal, and you main fun, is flying frigates you do not need to do any higher level missions. And by the time you can use T2 frigates and need more ISK you will even be able to use them in lvl2 missions with ease, you will even manage to do lvl4 with an assault frigate
There is no need to make more ISK than what you need.
If you go Gallente, never under-estimate the power of drone boats. Be it the Vexor, Dominix or the Myrmidon. These boats can take lots of punishment and still dish out DPS for the particular situation. But the most odd ship of that lineup has to be the Myrmidon because it has plenty of midslots to shield tank if you want even though its bonuses is to armor repair which make it a far better armor tank imo (it really depends on the situation in terms of PVE at least).
community is insanelly big,and very helpfull you wont have problem there.but it is still a long way from level 1 to max before you can join epic battle!
You can join epic battles on day one; it takes a little longer to fly an epic ship.
If you can fly a frigate you can fight, and everyone can fly a frigate.
community is insanelly big,and very helpfull you wont have problem there.but it is still a long way from level 1 to max before you can join epic battle!
You can join epic battles on day one; it takes a little longer to fly an epic ship.
If you can fly a frigate you can fight, and everyone can fly a frigate.
I totally agree with this. Although I am not playing EVE at the moment for other reasons, getting into ALL aspects of the game can start from day one. As the poster above said, just don't expect to be flying that BIG ship right away. Even at that, you can be flying well equipped and largers ships in a very short time...a month maybe.
My character is only six days old, and I'm pretty close to being able to fit and fly a very nice Drake setup. I'm doing PVE right now with the goal of working my way up to a Tengu for WH exploration. It really doesn't take long to be able to pilot a decent ship well. You can be useful in PVP as soon as you can tackle, and that doesn't take very long to train at all. It just depends on what you want to do in the game.
I've played a lot of MMO's in the past. This is my fourth time with the EVE trial and I finally sub'd. There's so much depth that's missing from modern MMO's. I actually feel like a complete and utter noob again instead of knowing almost everything as soon as I enter the game.
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To the OP - Not unless you want to be able to 1v1 a vet. Once you realize that pvp is more about ship/fleet compositions and what ranges the engagement is taking place at (who warps in on who etc), then you realize that being able to fly the best ship doesn't mean diddly.
The only glaring disadvantage you'll have is that you won't be as flexible as a vet with what you can fly. Being able to swap from a dictor, to a logi, to an armor bc, to a shield bc, to vaga, to a dramiel, etc is the advantage that a vet has. Most people usually prefer to pvp in regular BCs to keep costs down anyway.
However, as a young buck, you start to learn how these ships contribute to fleets and it makes you set goals and such with ships. Hard to believe I've been playing 8 months, time flew by.
I joined a 0.0 nullsec PvP Corp/alliance holding some hostile sov less than 2 months into playing (took a month to get an interview but itw as worth it). Nullsec PvP is all I know and I wouldn't have it any other way. Don't listen to the kids that wan't to be the masters of the game, you can play and be very effective. If you want to have the best guns and do the most damage, then no, you will be disappointed still.
For a noob never to be able to catch up would assume two things:
1. That there is an endless amount of skills/levels and as such you can never cap out.... Which is false.
2. That there is not a finite amount of skills that you can use which are applicable to the given ship you are flying and the equipment you are using at the time.... Which is also false.
In any given scenario and with a vet flying a ship, a noob is more than capable of 'catching up' as only a specific skill set can be utilized at any given time. The advantage the vet has is ISK, experience and the ability to fly a wide range of set ups at any given moment. I.e. the vet has a wide range of skills, whereas the relative newcomer is far more focused.
Nice try though.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
Thanks for finally coming out and admitting you're just trolling. For a while there I was worried you were genuinely ignorant, but now I realise you're just doing an excellent imitation.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
that's because you only consider yourself valuable (and maybe think the game is fun) only at maxed skills.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
Ok let me try this.
I simply want to take part in some of the battles.
Which skills would you suggest focusing on. I believe my old account only got as far as an Amarr cruiser. So take it from there if you have a suggestion that would have me underway in about a 1-2 month timeframe.
Also if anyone has any fan links on how to play that would be helpful.
If you got yourself a decent crew to run with, you can start at frigates Learn up maneuvers, and such until you can use MWD and use a webber and a warp disruptor o.o
Points and webs are EXTREMELY useful. Gang (aside from blob gang) needs pointers and webbers
Then from there, work your way up the skills.
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Do you hae friends or access to newbie corps?
If you do then stik to frigs and theyll help you with the rest. If not, PVE until you find a corp to join with. Ask the help hcannel on how to find the corp recruitment and lfcorp channels o.o
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This shows some day old characters taking down one of the best solo ships in the game. Try doing that in WOW.
What it really show, however, IMHO is that EVE isn’t about the skills you train or how many you have. EVE is about how good your social skills are, and how well you use them.
The Maller is the go-to disposable heavy tackler; you can fit it to have an absurdly high EHP, then hang on like grim death to the target until it's dead from the attentions of the rest of your gang.
The Arbitrator is a fine ship and you can do some very clever things with it's tracking disrupter bonus, but you'll need to skill up drones and EW some to get the best from it.
The Omen isn't great, but you can do good DPS at range, and once you learn to fly it you'll make yourself very useful. Just stay out of web range!
As a new player you should mostly be thinking in terms of gang support, especially if you're in Caldari & Amarr ships, which have a design focus towards fleets rather than the solo/small skirmish theme of Gallante/Minmatar ships. Just remember that every ship has counters - and that includes your target as well as you.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
I see thanks, I may look in the Omen.
You are going about this game the wrong way. So you want to mine, i can tell you straight away it's not gonna be more fun to mine in a Hulk than it is in an Osprey. If you think you NEED a certain ship to enjoy the game, you will never enjoy the game. If you like mining, start mining straight away. The same goes for other ship classes. If you want to be a tackler, start training relevant skills and start tackling
in a frig if you have to.
If im running level 1 missions in a rifter and i think they are boring, im not going to like level 4 missions in a machariel any better.
Cheers guys, this made me smile
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And that video of them players killing a tengu in Tech 1 Destroyers and Frigates is amazing LOL! Guessing they just got a bit bored and wanted to try out CN-EVE?
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Always hating on instances in MMOs! Open worlds, open PvP, territory control and housing please. More persistence, more fun.
You're just a casual observer of eve online - you have no choice but to relent to the experience of the people that actually play the game.
In other words, you're talking out of your ass so shut up already, because the "experts" of this game are talking and they say skill points don't mean anything.
I'm about 2 months into my EVE account and I own a Drake (Battlecruiser) with full Tier 2 Shield Modules attached (except for my T1 Medium Shield Rigs) and around this time next week I will be able to outfit it with Tier 2 Heavy Missile Launchers and week after that i'll be able to command 5 active Hobgoblins (Light Drones).
I can do Level 3 Security Missions comfortably by myself since I regen 247 shield per second (roughly 2 minutes to regen my shields from 0).
My advice is to apply to EVE-University and participate in their practical as well as their Theory lessons which they run daily, then when youre comfortable with the game find friendly corp to join. Unfortunately most established corps, even the 'noob' friendly ones dont accept anyone below 1-3 Million Skillpoints, but I was lucky to have joined a RL friends corps who was very helpful.
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As a returning new player (It has been a long time, i am basically starting from the bottom up) and I have to admit that the community is friendly, there are plenty of newbie corps out there with whom you can advance, and the tutorial system is now much better at teaching the basics of the game.
When it comes to catching up with the more experienced players, it may take some time but I do feel as though you can get there, join a corp, new or old, help build an empire.
I think the best way of looking at it is that EVE is not all about you, but how you become a part of the universe.
Mention of the impending super capital nerf should be even more motivating for new players as sub capitals will be that much more important now (you'll be comfortably in a battleship 2-3 months in.
I think it might perhaps be more accurate to say that the community is helpful.
It's like getting raped by a guy who leaves the address of the local VD clinic and a link to a site about which is the best method of birth control for you, and also maybe he calls a cab for you.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
I wouldn't say that skill points dont mean anything, because they're sure nice to have and they open a lot of doors. Just that they're not the be-all and end-all, and that they're not inherently more important than being intelligent, having good game knowledge, good social skills, etc.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
What always frustrated me the most in EVE the time I tried it was that I had no interest in flying the big ships. I wanted to be a fast ship pilot (frigates basically) but the PvE missions would tear me apart in a frig so I felt pressured into training up to a battle cruiser and I hated that flying cow so damn much.
Maybe I was wrong, and I sucked at the game that much I do know but that was the main thing that drove me off. I had pictured myslf cruising the galaxy at fast speeds being a bounty hunter, pirate, dick, and all around scumbag.
Never got anywhere close to being able to attempt any of those things. :P
There are plenty of fast ships that aren't frigates. Vagabonds and Macherials come to mind, maybe a Tengu? Macherial is what I'm trying to work towards at the moment. It's not small and zippy, but it's pretty damn fast for a battleship. You won't be doing much ratting/missions in frigates unfortunately. If that's a deal breaker for you then bummer.
You can definitely be a pirate and pvp in fast stuff. I know plenty of people that specialize in interceptors and they can really crank out some quality speed and manuverability. Knowing how to fly one well is harder than it seems. Some small-gang fleets have nano-fit battlecruisers that are really light and quick.
Being a pirate as a noob doesn't work too well unless you have a really good corp/support group. I never tried, but I would imagine. It's not like a themepark game or Darkfall where you can have a twinked out character that gives you a nice safety net. You can have an expensive ship here and die in a fire to something stupid if you don't know what you're doing and what you're going against.
you want a fast battleship.. put a mwd 100mn on a typhoon.. 1280 m/sec .. eventually..
for pve though.. even assuming your just doing level 4 missions.. even a drake can handle it.. pvp and pve are 2 very different beasts in Eve.... to say a frigate can't handle it.. is.. misleading.. and ignores their true value.. and how much fun pvp in a frig can be .. though admittedly my favourite pvp frigate is actualy.. a wolf.. tech II assault frigate
It would be quite easy to do lvl1's with frigate, and later on lvl2's.
If you main goal, and you main fun, is flying frigates you do not need to do any higher level missions. And by the time you can use T2 frigates and need more ISK you will even be able to use them in lvl2 missions with ease, you will even manage to do lvl4 with an assault frigate
There is no need to make more ISK than what you need.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
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If you go Gallente, never under-estimate the power of drone boats. Be it the Vexor, Dominix or the Myrmidon. These boats can take lots of punishment and still dish out DPS for the particular situation. But the most odd ship of that lineup has to be the Myrmidon because it has plenty of midslots to shield tank if you want even though its bonuses is to armor repair which make it a far better armor tank imo (it really depends on the situation in terms of PVE at least).
You can join epic battles on day one; it takes a little longer to fly an epic ship.
If you can fly a frigate you can fight, and everyone can fly a frigate.
I totally agree with this. Although I am not playing EVE at the moment for other reasons, getting into ALL aspects of the game can start from day one. As the poster above said, just don't expect to be flying that BIG ship right away. Even at that, you can be flying well equipped and largers ships in a very short time...a month maybe.
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My character is only six days old, and I'm pretty close to being able to fit and fly a very nice Drake setup. I'm doing PVE right now with the goal of working my way up to a Tengu for WH exploration. It really doesn't take long to be able to pilot a decent ship well. You can be useful in PVP as soon as you can tackle, and that doesn't take very long to train at all. It just depends on what you want to do in the game.
I've played a lot of MMO's in the past. This is my fourth time with the EVE trial and I finally sub'd. There's so much depth that's missing from modern MMO's. I actually feel like a complete and utter noob again instead of knowing almost everything as soon as I enter the game.