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Are forum posters here lost in their own reality?
Belgaraath
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There are dozens of repeat threads here regarding how unoriginal SWTOR, how it will fail like game X, how it is WOW with lightsabers, etc. However.....
1) The Preorder process was a HUGE success for EA, selling out on multiple sites in just a few hours. I cannot EVER remember having to fight so hard just to get my preorder in except when I purchased my 4 ipad 2s for my family at 1:00am a few months back...that was worse.
2) I have never seen the volume of posts on a official forums move so fast other than some peaks with WOW. You post a thread and in less than a minute its down to the bottom of the first page. A thread here with 10 pages is like a thread there with 50 pages in a shorter period of time.
3) The lines at what I consider to be boring events events always seem to be huge or crammed, not exactly a sign that people arn't interested.
4) People here posting all these negative threads are forgetting how their opinion is about .05% or less of the population when compared against those people who will actually try the game out and don't follow these forums.
5) Just about all my gaming friends in my facebook, from previous guilds, etc are going to try this game. Most of them will stay as subs even if it was just wow with lightsabers because that is what they like. Regardless, those following the game that don't have ulterior motives know this game is so much more than wow with lightsabers even if at first glance it plays like it.
6) With the logic here, any game that borrows and enhances any previous game will fail and any game with what some consider 'innovation' are going to succeed. Heard that before with previous released games that underachieved.
7) For some reason the posters here look at an outdated game play build months from release and draw conclusions when they haven't tried it...which contradicts those dozens and dozens of impressions that many fans here have posted with the positive impression that those who PLAY the game seem to have. The difference is that when fans post these impressions, they organize them into one thread, often becoming stickies. For some reason this site likes when a new thread is started with these negative generalizations. That creates that negative perception those visiting from other sites far too often see.
Now I don't know if this game will succeed, maybe it will fail, but I believe based on their cautious approach of not releasing info until everything is worked out and ensuring that we will see one of the most polished offerings at release (based on what is within scope) is a good sign of things to come. Also, I strongly believe that all this ridiculous negativity is a sign of good things to come for this game. I'll post here next year if it fails how I was wrong, will you???
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Most posters here are delusional on one side of the fence or the other. If any of the newer games excited me all that much or got some sort of emotional rise out of me I'm sure I'd fall on one side of the delusional spectrum myself (the closests is NWN but I know cryptic too well to get myself all bent out of shape for that one).
The problem seems to be that people can't find the middle ground. TOR is not a game I'm likely to play, but not only do I doubt it will fail, I'm pretty sure it will offer some good game play. Just not the game play that is my cup of tea. It appears that with TOR and many other games, people either have nothing good to say about it or can't hear anything bad about it.
I imagine TOR will be a fairly good success, I have my doubts about people handing over money month after month for that kind of game play, but there are enough bioware fans alone to probably keep them safe for at least the next 10 years and I'm sure that some new players will also fall in love with that particular style.
I think you're a bit lost in your own reality there fella, either that or you're reading these forums with blinkers as there are just as many posts and threads with positive things to say about SWTOR here as there are negative. But as is the case on any forum those with negative views tend to be the most vocal and also tend to keep on repeating their nonsense.
Bear in mind that a project this huge was bound to spark debate.
I agree about NWN :-) lol. Unfortunately, your more reasonable balanced outlook is not the norm on this site, but thank you fo the good post. I pretty much agree word for word with everything you wrote. Just out of curiousity, what MMOs up until this point have you enjoyed?
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I enjoyed EQ, SWG (for a while then got burnt out), Vanguard, LoTRO, and occasionally STO as frustrating a ride as that has been.
The posters here aren't even moderatly dillusional when compaired with the fans for any Final Fantasy game. Go take a quick stroll through a Final Fantasy 14 community site if you truly want to taste the fruits cultivated by minds unbound from reality.
Honestly, I would be HAPPY if this game was WOW with lightsabers, :-) that says alot.
Regarding #1 and several of your other comments....... Of course sales will be good, It's Star Wars!
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you've got to be kidding. Any of us following this specific forum for years will tell you that the proportion of negative to positive is completely outbalanced and repetitive. Just look at the last 3 pages of threads here:
Game Will Flop Harder than Rift
What Unique and or new things does swtor bring (which starts with a negative inaccurate assumption)
No suprise, we all know it (which has the undertone that if the game scores good, it is not accurate). (been discussed over and over again)
Star Wars the Old Republic, how it wont even change the industry ( repetitive thread)
SWTOR, are you guys who are preordering making a mistake
SWTOR graphics (a negative repetitive thread based on an old build months from release).
Shall I go on? The threads here turn away those who come here for information and are actually interested in the game. They do little however to stop the progress Bioware seems to be making.
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Are you suggesting that because my oppinion isn't the popular one, I should shut up? This is called democratic dictatorship, and I am not biting it !
Remember a lot of the people on this site are younger, they have opinions that MUST be heard, and their overall angst towards anything they remotely dislike or dissagree with MUST be shown in in the most extreme fashion they can possibly muster.
A lot of people nay-saying about whatever game they currently dislike are actually threatened by the possibility that a game they have already given up on might have a chance to overshadow the game they are currently hyped about.
If random person loves game X, and a ton of people decide against them and buy game Y, those people get offended and lash out because someone is wrong on the internet because how could someone possibly dissagree with what they decided was best.
I see this in my teenage children all the time, todays youth have a complete seperation from realizing others have the ability to make a choice as well. Whether they agree with it or not, it was still a choice someone else made and they have a hard time dealing with the fact they had nothing to do with that person decision.
To the OP;
You are spot on but sadly common sense and this site are not necessarily a good thing. This is the home of the Bitter , Twisted and Burnt.
The game will be fine and is being developed and delivered by a solid team with a massive fanbase and an IP that has an even bigger base, not a lot to worry about they are also ensuring vast ammounts of content and ensuring that the content is perfect for friends to work through.
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Yea while there are positive threads, it seems the vast majority are negative. It amazes me though how so many of the "haters" or people who doubt that swtor will be a long term success, just don't quite understand bioware and what they do. People don't understand that bringing in a true fully fleshed bioware story (8 of them actually) into a mmo is innovative and new. I think people who are doubting the game should really take the time to play Kotor or any other bioware game, in fact I'm pretty sure you can get kotor on steam for around 10 bucks or less. Play through the game and you will understand the hype.
How "childish" (using your own logic, you are criticising critics) of you to suggest that all critics are teenagers. Even though you got kids, you need to realize that your assumption are not true at all.
OK, now I am a pretty versatile guy with gaming. I like PVP, like PVE, like solo, like (and prefer) grouping, like Sandbox (prefer open worlds like Oblivion), like themepark,etc. Now I understand if your only type of game was EQ and SWG and you were initially hoping for that here (as there are a lot of disgruntled SWG vets here),, but if you liked LOTRO which was basically an enhanced WOW with better graphics (poor animations...but I liked that game) and better story, why would you find that SWTOR not your cup of tea?
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lol, yes, I'm rounding all of you up to be burned at the stake lol. What I'm saying is that drawing conclusions and jumping on the bandwagon at these forums (which is so easy to do...to jump on the negative bandwagon) will not necessarily translate into what the general population will think at release and a few months in...so drawing these dramatic conclusions like "GAME WILL FAIL" just looks stupid.
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I'm not critizing anyone. Meerly pointing out what I have noticed. Take that however you want.
My post was stating that because someone else likes something, doesn't entitle anyone to try to prove them wrong. It was their decision to make.
I fail to see how this is critizing anyone. If being called "Young" or a "youth" offends you, I have no response to that, other than ....OK.
Don't forget that every single positive topic always devolves into a flame fest as the trolls come out in droves for every post on TOR, turning anything positive into a pile of crap.
What i feel is over the years, people are starting to clue into what the mmo industry is shoveling us.
Hype us for months/years, we can't wait, charge crazy preorder prices which bioware went to a whole new level of greed, it launches, spent lots of money, maybe even bought in 6 months a year sub, maybe even more than one account, and ultimately bored a couple weeks or mmonths later, we all get on board with next life altering game, years later, release after release, you realize once again we are all still on the same rinse repeat machine.
Part of the problem with the forums is the foaming at the mouth fanbois whom come swooping in defending so vigilantly a game they have never even played can't handle even the slightest negative comment, after launch they too will be bored and may or may not admit to themselves that those whom said it was going to be boring are right. There is no doubt they will posting massively about the how great the next release is going to be and OMGAWDZZ defending it till the levy breaks.
Those whom will ultimately enjoy the game aren't posting, they will simply play and enjoy the game as they have no reason to defend it and are simply too busy enjoying the game, the silent majority.
Seriously if you've been mmo's for several years, put you're hand up if you're feeling deja vu, been here done that, it's the same old story every release, next!
lol, you are so correct. I adjusted my #7 accordingly :-)
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Actually for the same reasons I got a bit bored of LoTRO and EQ. While I liked certain things about SWG, I'm not looking for an exact remake. My biggest personal dislike of SWTOR is that for me it is going to control my personal story too much, in the sense that I'd rather have no story than too much (does that make sense). I like certain freedoms about sandboxes, like no species/class restrictions or only moderate penalties for wearing different armor or using different weapons, so there are some limitations on SWTOR that are not perfect for me.
STO actually appeals to me at times because of the fact that my choices for customizing species, class, ship, crew have so few penalties and though the content is very much lacking (epecially for us Klingon fans) what is there doesn't get in the way of our own RP stories.
None of this of course makes SWTOR a bad game or a potential failure, it just doesn't appeal to me on any passionate level.
Read you first paragraph. You a dissing young people. Next you are saying critics are young people. Your post is full with assumptions.
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prob 100 or 200 post of each lol!
I'll be honest with you, I never played KOTOR ( I think i tried, but just never got into it) when that game was released. Now, I'm just about done with my first real play through...I'm at the part where they found all the Star Forge Maps and Bastilla is being tortured by Malek. Anway, what I hate about the game is that there is no exploring...it really is completely linear. Now I'm being honest even as a SWTOR fan. What I love about it is it really has an interesting story the more I played through it and I just love the Star Wars environments. Now I can see why I gave up initially, it just felt so constrained. Now as I near the end, I'm understanding why it appealed to so many. I prefered Baldurs Gate and especially games like Oblivion...but since SWTOR is going to be bringing that interesting story in an MMO for the first time and actually allowing more freedom by being able to explore at later levels without having to do EVERYTHING in one particular order..well, that appeals to me, just like WOW did back when I first tried that. Yes, its a themepark, yes, anything with a story is somewhat liinear, but the game allows that sort of open like themepark environment that people love in games like WOW, LOTRO, etc where you can go into more dangerous territory at just about any level if you choose to and without a million loading screens like in AOC, STO, or EQ2
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Totally understand. Hey, if they make a multiplayer Oblivion, Im gonna call you to play with me lol
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I remember being flamed for saying Rift will suck, then at launch one million people bought it, two months later 10-20 thousand still play (at best)
People are still drinking the Bioware koolaid even if Bioware is nothing more than brand name for an EA branch and we know how EA treats its games.