Care to elaborate on "etc"? Cause to me is sure sounds like there is supposed to be a period after companion system. And people use WoW as it's the most successful traditional MMO, don't deny that many developers are trying to copy many of it's features.
ToR isn't innovative because it's an MMO that has epic storylines. Don't get me wrong Im sure this will be better than WoW considering it's got all that and a liiiitle more.
But people are looking for something new and fresh. ToR sure as hell won't be.
Care to elaborate on "etc"? Cause to me is sure sounds like there is supposed to be a period after companion system. And people use WoW as it's the most successful traditional MMO, don't deny that many developers are trying to copy many of it's features.
ToR isn't innovative because it's an MMO that has epic storylines. Don't get me wrong Im sure this will be better than WoW considering it's got all that and a liiiitle more.
But people are looking for something new and fresh. ToR sure as hell won't be.
Slight correction, some people are looking for that yes, not all people are though. The above is just another example of putting a little too much importance in your own opinion, as well as those that you see and agree with. Personally a lot of what I see people asking for would just move this genre farther away from what it set out to do. The reason they've become as single-player focused as they have is because of these types of complaints. IMO of course, as I have no proof to offer of this.
I just call it as I see it, this is what I see.... Content, content and more content solves nothing about longevity, nor does combat or anything else Dev related. It's all about how people approach the game, and each other. Dev content will always become stale or repetitive. There's no keeping up with hundreds of thousands of people. It will never be doable or done. Which is why they don't try to. Part of what these games are about is making a community within the game, making firends, buidling guilds, alliances and enemies.
That's not what it seems many play for anymore, as it's hardly something that's normal as of the last few years. It's all about beating the game and moving on. The "failure" communties that stick with these games, are all that's left of older gaming communities (who always play together) who set up shop in a given game. The horde on the other hand moves on to the next game, so on and so forth. Until they have nothing left to consume. Kind of hive minded if you really think about it, like locusts.
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If people had half a brain they would have seen one of the hundreds of gameplay videos and realized that this game is going to be garbage.
You can judge a book by its cover especially if the cover is a video explaining why the book is bad.
btw Swtor would be a successful game if it was a disgustingly obvious WoW clone as oppose to trying to be a "ground breaking" overhyped mmo with new and exciting voice over quests and stiff non-wow gameplay.
-Source: I've played it.
this is exactly my opinion and i dont have to play it =S i dont think it has staying power. we will see
this is exactly my opinion and i dont have to play it =S i dont think it has staying power. we will see
If that's your opinion so be it, I just have to ask, what MMO on it's own strengths has staying power? What development style does? None.... SWG would of had just as much if not less if it weren't for community, same goes for EQ, same with any MMO. SIngle player games are the same way, without mods they're nothing as far as longevity, again it's the gaming community that keeps it alive. How would D&D be without players?
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Why do people feel the need for meth induced combat speeds? We're not supposed to be binging on crack or meth and staying up four days straight to level.
IF WE COULD ALL PLEASE RECALL EVERQUEST ONE for a moment. It /literally/ took YEARS to level to max level in that game. Combat was slow, deliberate, and methodical. One wrong action meant you died and lost experience with the possibility of DELEVELING! You then had to run naked back to your body to get your items because they were left there!
I think people really need to take a good hard look introspectively when it comes to the games they play. It's most likely that there is nothing wrong with SW:ToR and something is wrong with you.
Maybe MMO is not your genre, go play Modern Warfare or Battlefield or something you can be all twitchy and chug Mountain Dew and Monster and rank up all night. This is seriously getting tired.
If people had half a brain they would have seen one of the hundreds of gameplay videos and realized that this game is going to be garbage.
Well, I have a full brain, havn't played it, and I don't give a rats ass how similar it may play to WoW. I love what I see, I love the lore of the Star Wars universe and while I have the patience to wait a little longer until it launches, I'm very eager to romp around the galaxy!
You won't be "romping around the galaxy" as you did in SWG (or could). The game is Point A -> B shooter rails in space, and the ground is generally instanced to hell for storylines (like Champions Online, with little instances for your specific quest), or relatively small open zones for MANY people to see others in, but not do much in.
I also got a chance to play it at E3, game is bad .
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If people had half a brain they would have seen one of the hundreds of gameplay videos and realized that this game is going to be garbage.
Well, I have a full brain, havn't played it, and I don't give a rats ass how similar it may play to WoW. I love what I see, I love the lore of the Star Wars universe and while I have the patience to wait a little longer until it launches, I'm very eager to romp around the galaxy!
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Don't know what else to say other than, haters are literally gunna hate. Theres no rhyme or reason no point to just letting players be excited for a game. It always has to be, tear down the other guys POV.
Originally posted by Ranyr Why do people feel the need for meth induced combat speeds? We're not supposed to be binging on crack or meth and staying up four days straight to level. IF WE COULD ALL PLEASE RECALL EVERQUEST ONE for a moment. It /literally/ took YEARS to level to max level in that game. Combat was slow, deliberate, and methodical. One wrong action meant you died and lost experience with the possibility of DELEVELING! You then had to run naked back to your body to get your items because they were left there! I think people really need to take a good hard look introspectively when it comes to the games they play. It's most likely that there is nothing wrong with SW:ToR and something is wrong with you. Maybe MMO is not your genre, go play Modern Warfare or Battlefield or something you can be all twitchy and chug Mountain Dew and Monster and rank up all night. This is seriously getting tired. This is mmorpg.com not mmohater.com
If people had half a brain they would have seen one of the hundreds of gameplay videos and realized that this game is going to be garbage.
Well, I have a full brain, havn't played it, and I don't give a rats ass how similar it may play to WoW. I love what I see, I love the lore of the Star Wars universe and while I have the patience to wait a little longer until it launches, I'm very eager to romp around the galaxy!
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Don't know what else to say other than, haters are literally gunna hate. Theres no rhyme or reason no point to just letting players be excited for a game. It always has to be, tear down the other guys POV.
Yup.. callin' people out now.
Thanks for the second part of my sig! lol.
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this is exactly my opinion and i dont have to play it =S i dont think it has staying power. we will see
If that's your opinion so be it, I just have to ask, what MMO on it's own strengths has staying power?
something thats next gen. perhaps Blizz's new mmo, and GW2 of course. TOR will be facing hurdles right off the bat. it's too much what we're all familiar with and bored of.
something thats next gen. perhaps Blizz's new mmo, and GW2 of course. TOR will be facing hurdles right off the bat. it's too much what we're all familiar with and bored of.
Your answer is a mythical one? I'll take that to mean you couldn't actually answer the question. Who is this we're you're speaking of?
BTW are you saying community won't be the mainstay for GW2?
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If people had half a brain they would have seen one of the hundreds of gameplay videos and realized that this game is going to be garbage.
Well, I have a full brain, havn't played it, and I don't give a rats ass how similar it may play to WoW. I love what I see, I love the lore of the Star Wars universe and while I have the patience to wait a little longer until it launches, I'm very eager to romp around the galaxy!
You won't be "romping around the galaxy" as you did in SWG (or could). The game is Point A -> B shooter rails in space, and the ground is generally instanced to hell for storylines (like Champions Online, with little instances for your specific quest), or relatively small open zones for MANY people to see others in, but not do much in.
I also got a chance to play it at E3, game is bad .
Faded bomb also said " With that said, I'm not allowed to break NDA just yet without actually being approved to do so by the devs." so he's also been in "beta" since late 2010.
Don't know what else to say other than, haters are literally gunna hate. Theres no rhyme or reason no point to just letting players be excited for a game. It always has to be, tear down the other guys POV.
Yup.. callin' people out now.
Exactly...I agree ~ if someone hates a game, they'll do anything they can to try and discourage others from having their fun. They just need to go away already, they won't convince me otherwise with their hatred. And for the record, I've already joined the darkside decades ago so your hatred wouldn't penetrate me and convince to change sides...ROFL
In response to the hatred above ~ I don't care how much the game may be instanced in some areas. There will be qutie the compelling story to follow that has never been done to this level of detail before in an MMO, and I'm really damned excited about it. I care more about the story than fighting mobs endlessly or as fast as possible to reach the end game.
Bioware does a damn good job at telling a story, and what they're doing for SW:TOR is exactly what I feel MMOs have been missing. Everything else has been boring me to tears, but with this, even the simipiliest of quests to go kill 10 mobs has been made ever more exciting cause there is heart and soul and feeling behind the NPCs voicing their concerns with the problems they're having. It looks and feels more important than it ever has before.
Even in WoW, and Rift and a slew of others, I still read every damned word in those boring text boxes, even though most of it sucked and was hard to care about the NPCs, I still enjoy story more than anything else.
As for the space game, its not an "on-rails" experience. In those you have no control over the vehicle or whatever you're riding in. In SW:TOR its a tunnel shooter, where you can freely move your ship around in a designated space as the screen moves forward. One of my favorite games from the days of old was Starfox back on SNES, and that is a tunnel shooter for those that can't comprehend what I'm explaining. Even the devs have that it is so...go look it up.
{mod edit} You do realize that people who are actually paid to make games for a living, or critique them, use the term "WoW clone" as a point of reference? It's used to relate one experience to another, and as most people understand or know what WoW is, it's a great way to let someone know if a product is similar, the exact same, or even close to the same.
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Thats the problem with the term. If it means the wide spectrum of similar, exactly same or close-how does anyone know what that means? If it's similar (which all mmos are in some way) then just say it's similar.
i must be wierd i play what i enjoy not what people i dont know think i should or should not play. i will buy it and play it if its crap i will move on to something else. although all the posts from hardcore fanboys and haters (insert game title here) does make for great reading in the morning always good to start the day with a giggle.
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Thats the problem with the term. If it means the wide spectrum of similar, exactly same or close-how does anyone know what that means? If it's similar (which all mmos are in some way) then just say it's similar.
It's exactly the same damn thing as saying it's similar, to call a game that closely resembles WoW to be a clone. If it bothers people, that's fine, but all you're doing is arguing semantics. Clone, simliar, the exact replica - whatever. If you use it as a point of reference, people istantly call to mind a number of features that are centric to that particular type of game.
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It's exactly the same damn thing as saying it's similar, to call a game that closely resembles WoW to be a clone. If it bothers people, that's fine, but all you're doing is arguing semantics. Clone, simliar, the exact replica - whatever. If you use it as a point of reference, people istantly call to mind a number of features that are centric to that particular type of game.
The problem is it's synonymous with a bigger problem at work here. Tunnel vision, all arrows point to WOW, this type of mentality has taken over the gaming world from a business perspective, as well as from that of the consumer.
While the term may just be typical slang talk now, it started out because of what I said above.
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Well i have played it, but yet i have no issue with the graphics, i think they are fine. I do however have a problem with the combat, its so bland and boring, it is the exact same as WoWs, just slower. Other than that i think it would be a good game, but to me, my opinion, Combat is a big part of most mmos. If combat fails, so does the game.
I've tried the said game too and the combat is not as bland and boring as you make it out to be. The game is heavily influenced by Knights of the old republic (duh) and thus the combat is similar'ish to that game, but much faster and no auto attacks. Sure its the "normal" mmo combat but if you dislike that then you must dislike almost every mmo out there. But those that loved the kotor games will -love- SWTOR.
Why do people feel the need for meth induced combat speeds? We're not supposed to be binging on crack or meth and staying up four days straight to level.
IF WE COULD ALL PLEASE RECALL EVERQUEST ONE for a moment. It /literally/ took YEARS to level to max level in that game. Combat was slow, deliberate, and methodical. One wrong action meant you died and lost experience with the possibility of DELEVELING! You then had to run naked back to your body to get your items because they were left there!
I think people really need to take a good hard look introspectively when it comes to the games they play. It's most likely that there is nothing wrong with SW:ToR and something is wrong with you.
Maybe MMO is not your genre, go play Modern Warfare or Battlefield or something you can be all twitchy and chug Mountain Dew and Monster and rank up all night. This is seriously getting tired.
This is mmorpg.com not mmohater.com
We have also evolved from Eq1, and we are no longer the long-over-time meth heads we used to be. Compare combat videos of World of Warcraft & SWTOR, you won't see much different other than one has axes/spells/swords & one has glowybats/guns/explosions.
Plus, that business analyst calling SWTOR "WoW in space" was spot on.
The reading comprehension is not strong in you. The point I was making is that people want some sort of insane crack meth combat speed for quick satisfaction. It used to be 1000x worse.
Why do people feel the need for meth induced combat speeds? We're not supposed to be binging on crack or meth and staying up four days straight to level.
IF WE COULD ALL PLEASE RECALL EVERQUEST ONE for a moment. It /literally/ took YEARS to level to max level in that game. Combat was slow, deliberate, and methodical. One wrong action meant you died and lost experience with the possibility of DELEVELING! You then had to run naked back to your body to get your items because they were left there!
I think people really need to take a good hard look introspectively when it comes to the games they play. It's most likely that there is nothing wrong with SW:ToR and something is wrong with you.
Maybe MMO is not your genre, go play Modern Warfare or Battlefield or something you can be all twitchy and chug Mountain Dew and Monster and rank up all night. This is seriously getting tired.
This is mmorpg.com not mmohater.com
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Got a chance to play SWTOR on several ocassions and it has got nothing in common with WOW combat. People are grasping at straws here to make their point.
Why do people feel the need for meth induced combat speeds? We're not supposed to be binging on crack or meth and staying up four days straight to level.
IF WE COULD ALL PLEASE RECALL EVERQUEST ONE for a moment. It /literally/ took YEARS to level to max level in that game. Combat was slow, deliberate, and methodical. One wrong action meant you died and lost experience with the possibility of DELEVELING! You then had to run naked back to your body to get your items because they were left there!
I think people really need to take a good hard look introspectively when it comes to the games they play. It's most likely that there is nothing wrong with SW:ToR and something is wrong with you.
Maybe MMO is not your genre, go play Modern Warfare or Battlefield or something you can be all twitchy and chug Mountain Dew and Monster and rank up all night. This is seriously getting tired.
This is mmorpg.com not mmohater.com
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Got a chance to play SWTOR on several ocassions and it has got nothing in common with WOW combat. People are grasping at straws here to make their point.
You know i was playing CoX (that X stands for heros/villians for people who aren't familer with the term) and had a video of SW:TOR's combat right next to it and i was kinda surprised by a few things. It actually seems like SW:TOR combat is closer to say CoX rather then WoW
Allow me to show you my reasonings in a graph based setting
SW:TOR CoX WoW
No auto attack No auto attack Auto attack
Quick cool downs Quick cool downs Long cool downs
Move while using abilities Move while using abilites Stand still while using abilities
+1 group of mobs all the time +1 group of mobs all the time usually 1 on 1 figths
Just a few examples. Just to me it seems like it's closer in how it plays to city of heroes/villians then WoW, just seems that way when i look at them side to side
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Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
The point I was making is that people want some sort of insane crack meth combat speed for quick satisfaction.
I agree, and the haters need to go play a different game then. Mostly the 1P action/adventure or FPS if they can't stomach the slower speed of most MMOs. They're changing though, albeit slowly, but that is why there are multiple genres to choose from. If SW:TOR doesn't quench ones thirst, then play something else, and stop bitching about it...heh
Why do people feel the need for meth induced combat speeds? We're not supposed to be binging on crack or meth and staying up four days straight to level.
IF WE COULD ALL PLEASE RECALL EVERQUEST ONE for a moment. It /literally/ took YEARS to level to max level in that game. Combat was slow, deliberate, and methodical. One wrong action meant you died and lost experience with the possibility of DELEVELING! You then had to run naked back to your body to get your items because they were left there!
I think people really need to take a good hard look introspectively when it comes to the games they play. It's most likely that there is nothing wrong with SW:ToR and something is wrong with you.
Maybe MMO is not your genre, go play Modern Warfare or Battlefield or something you can be all twitchy and chug Mountain Dew and Monster and rank up all night. This is seriously getting tired.
This is mmorpg.com not mmohater.com
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Got a chance to play SWTOR on several ocassions and it has got nothing in common with WOW combat. People are grasping at straws here to make their point.
You know i was playing CoX (that X stands for heros/villians for people who aren't familer with the term) and had a video of SW:TOR's combat right next to it and i was kinda surprised by a few things. It actually seems like SW:TOR combat is closer to say CoX rather then WoW
Allow me to show you my reasonings in a graph based setting
SW:TOR CoX WoW
No auto attack No auto attack Auto attack
Quick cool downs Quick cool downs Long cool downs
Move while using abilities Move while using abilites Stand still while using abilities
+1 group of mobs all the time +1 group of mobs all the time usually 1 on 1 figths
Just a few examples. Just to me it seems like it's closer in how it plays to city of heroes/villians then WoW, just seems that way when i look at them side to side
Thanks..now i know why i kept thinking COX in my mind over and over again. I agree, SWTOR is more similar to COX than WOW in comabt. Videos does not do justice to SWTOR though. One has to play it to understand the difference between WOW and Swtor combat mechanics.
I've read many of the comments on the hype meter, and I must honestly say, that people in general, are just plain stupid. People calling it Star WoWs (Really, making up names to compare it to wow?) and a WoW clone, etc....people please, get off WoWs nuts. WoW was most definatelly not the first game to have MOST of the features that are currently in it. This game brings many innovative features that people say it does not bring also. Epic story lines, extreme companion system, etc.
People complain about the graphics, comparing it to the graphics of Dead Space 2 and Battlefield 3, but if people had half a brain, they would realize that in a mmo, you can not have graphics of that quality, or EVERYONE would have to have a top end system to play it with any sense of satisfaction.
Bottom line, people really need to stop PREDICTING what the game is, considering the fact that, I am willing to bet, NONE of the ones predicting how it is or what it will be, have even played the game. Seriously...get a life. Stop trying to ruin peoples hype to suit your own opinion.
OP I don't think you understand what people really mean when they say "xxx is WoW clone". Let me clarify it to you, what we really mean when we say "xxx is a WoW clone" is we see a big lack of innovation.
OP I don't think you understand what people really mean when they say "xxx is WoW clone". Let me clarify it to you, what we really mean when we say "xxx is a WoW clone" is we see a big lack of innovation.
Because you have a very, very shallow outlook on what innovation is. Innovation means taking an existing thing and improving on it. (example: taking your typical MMO quest structure and improving it). That's innovation, whether you like it or not, or whether its in an area you want it to be in or not.
Don't come back with well, story means nothing to an MMO, that's just utter BS used to throw up a smokescreen as to what TOR has innovated on.
If adding dodge to the combat ability formula in GW2 is innovation a lot of what TOR is doing is innovative, unless you have a personal bias for one or the other of course.
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OP I don't think you understand what people really mean when they say "xxx is WoW clone". Let me clarify it to you, what we really mean when we say "xxx is a WoW clone" is we see a big lack of innovation.
Because you have a very, very shallow outlook on what innovation is. Innovation means taking an existing thing and improving on it. (example: taking your typical MMO quest structure and improving it). That's innovation, whether you like it or not, or whether its in an area you want it to be in or not.
And thats exactly what Bioware has done with questing. Added a deep vocal story to everything...
I mean really, to all that are saying SW:TOR is not innovative enough, what more do you want? Really, explain it exactly, instead of just saying more innovation...you can't can ya!? There really isn't much more any developer can do, than what is already there. I sure can't think of anything solid, other than what Bioware are already doing!
I'm in the same boat as everyone else too. I'm hoping someone will come out with something astoundingly groundbreaking that nobody has ever thought of before, and since we havn't seen it other than a few tweaks here in there based on what Blizzard did to the previous generation of MMO, I'm doubting we'll see that anytime soon. I'm bored of whats currently out there, and while yeah SW:TOR is very similar to everything else, there are a ton of little tweaks here and there that expand on the usual and make it better. Just gotta roll with whats being thought up, and enjoy it for what it is...
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"epic storylines, extreme companion system, etc."
Care to elaborate on "etc"? Cause to me is sure sounds like there is supposed to be a period after companion system. And people use WoW as it's the most successful traditional MMO, don't deny that many developers are trying to copy many of it's features.
ToR isn't innovative because it's an MMO that has epic storylines. Don't get me wrong Im sure this will be better than WoW considering it's got all that and a liiiitle more.
But people are looking for something new and fresh. ToR sure as hell won't be.
Slight correction, some people are looking for that yes, not all people are though. The above is just another example of putting a little too much importance in your own opinion, as well as those that you see and agree with. Personally a lot of what I see people asking for would just move this genre farther away from what it set out to do. The reason they've become as single-player focused as they have is because of these types of complaints. IMO of course, as I have no proof to offer of this.
I just call it as I see it, this is what I see.... Content, content and more content solves nothing about longevity, nor does combat or anything else Dev related. It's all about how people approach the game, and each other. Dev content will always become stale or repetitive. There's no keeping up with hundreds of thousands of people. It will never be doable or done. Which is why they don't try to. Part of what these games are about is making a community within the game, making firends, buidling guilds, alliances and enemies.
That's not what it seems many play for anymore, as it's hardly something that's normal as of the last few years. It's all about beating the game and moving on. The "failure" communties that stick with these games, are all that's left of older gaming communities (who always play together) who set up shop in a given game. The horde on the other hand moves on to the next game, so on and so forth. Until they have nothing left to consume. Kind of hive minded if you really think about it, like locusts.
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this is exactly my opinion and i dont have to play it =S i dont think it has staying power. we will see
If that's your opinion so be it, I just have to ask, what MMO on it's own strengths has staying power? What development style does? None.... SWG would of had just as much if not less if it weren't for community, same goes for EQ, same with any MMO. SIngle player games are the same way, without mods they're nothing as far as longevity, again it's the gaming community that keeps it alive. How would D&D be without players?
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Why do people feel the need for meth induced combat speeds? We're not supposed to be binging on crack or meth and staying up four days straight to level.
IF WE COULD ALL PLEASE RECALL EVERQUEST ONE for a moment. It /literally/ took YEARS to level to max level in that game. Combat was slow, deliberate, and methodical. One wrong action meant you died and lost experience with the possibility of DELEVELING! You then had to run naked back to your body to get your items because they were left there!
I think people really need to take a good hard look introspectively when it comes to the games they play. It's most likely that there is nothing wrong with SW:ToR and something is wrong with you.
Maybe MMO is not your genre, go play Modern Warfare or Battlefield or something you can be all twitchy and chug Mountain Dew and Monster and rank up all night. This is seriously getting tired.
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Don't know what else to say other than, haters are literally gunna hate. Theres no rhyme or reason no point to just letting players be excited for a game. It always has to be, tear down the other guys POV.
Yup.. callin' people out now.
I agree with you
Thanks for the second part of my sig! lol.
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something thats next gen. perhaps Blizz's new mmo, and GW2 of course. TOR will be facing hurdles right off the bat. it's too much what we're all familiar with and bored of.
Your answer is a mythical one? I'll take that to mean you couldn't actually answer the question. Who is this we're you're speaking of?
BTW are you saying community won't be the mainstay for GW2?
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Exactly...I agree ~ if someone hates a game, they'll do anything they can to try and discourage others from having their fun. They just need to go away already, they won't convince me otherwise with their hatred. And for the record, I've already joined the darkside decades ago so your hatred wouldn't penetrate me and convince to change sides...ROFL
In response to the hatred above ~ I don't care how much the game may be instanced in some areas. There will be qutie the compelling story to follow that has never been done to this level of detail before in an MMO, and I'm really damned excited about it. I care more about the story than fighting mobs endlessly or as fast as possible to reach the end game.
Bioware does a damn good job at telling a story, and what they're doing for SW:TOR is exactly what I feel MMOs have been missing. Everything else has been boring me to tears, but with this, even the simipiliest of quests to go kill 10 mobs has been made ever more exciting cause there is heart and soul and feeling behind the NPCs voicing their concerns with the problems they're having. It looks and feels more important than it ever has before.
Even in WoW, and Rift and a slew of others, I still read every damned word in those boring text boxes, even though most of it sucked and was hard to care about the NPCs, I still enjoy story more than anything else.
As for the space game, its not an "on-rails" experience. In those you have no control over the vehicle or whatever you're riding in. In SW:TOR its a tunnel shooter, where you can freely move your ship around in a designated space as the screen moves forward. One of my favorite games from the days of old was Starfox back on SNES, and that is a tunnel shooter for those that can't comprehend what I'm explaining. Even the devs have that it is so...go look it up.
Thats the problem with the term. If it means the wide spectrum of similar, exactly same or close-how does anyone know what that means? If it's similar (which all mmos are in some way) then just say it's similar.
i must be wierd
i play what i enjoy not what people i dont know think i should or should not play. i will buy it and play it if its crap i will move on to something else. although all the posts from hardcore fanboys and haters (insert game title here) does make for great reading in the morning always good to start the day with a giggle.
It's exactly the same damn thing as saying it's similar, to call a game that closely resembles WoW to be a clone. If it bothers people, that's fine, but all you're doing is arguing semantics. Clone, simliar, the exact replica - whatever. If you use it as a point of reference, people istantly call to mind a number of features that are centric to that particular type of game.
"This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!" -Bernard Black (Dylan Moran)
The problem is it's synonymous with a bigger problem at work here. Tunnel vision, all arrows point to WOW, this type of mentality has taken over the gaming world from a business perspective, as well as from that of the consumer.
While the term may just be typical slang talk now, it started out because of what I said above.
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SW:TOR Graphics Evolution and Comparison
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I've tried the said game too and the combat is not as bland and boring as you make it out to be. The game is heavily influenced by Knights of the old republic (duh) and thus the combat is similar'ish to that game, but much faster and no auto attacks. Sure its the "normal" mmo combat but if you dislike that then you must dislike almost every mmo out there. But those that loved the kotor games will -love- SWTOR.
The reading comprehension is not strong in you.
The point I was making is that people want some sort of insane crack meth combat speed for quick satisfaction. It used to be 1000x worse.
Got a chance to play SWTOR on several ocassions and it has got nothing in common with WOW combat. People are grasping at straws here to make their point.
You know i was playing CoX (that X stands for heros/villians for people who aren't familer with the term) and had a video of SW:TOR's combat right next to it and i was kinda surprised by a few things. It actually seems like SW:TOR combat is closer to say CoX rather then WoW
Allow me to show you my reasonings in a graph based setting
SW:TOR CoX WoW
No auto attack No auto attack Auto attack
Quick cool downs Quick cool downs Long cool downs
Move while using abilities Move while using abilites Stand still while using abilities
+1 group of mobs all the time +1 group of mobs all the time usually 1 on 1 figths
Just a few examples. Just to me it seems like it's closer in how it plays to city of heroes/villians then WoW, just seems that way when i look at them side to side
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I agree, and the haters need to go play a different game then. Mostly the 1P action/adventure or FPS if they can't stomach the slower speed of most MMOs. They're changing though, albeit slowly, but that is why there are multiple genres to choose from. If SW:TOR doesn't quench ones thirst, then play something else, and stop bitching about it...heh
Thanks..now i know why i kept thinking COX in my mind over and over again. I agree, SWTOR is more similar to COX than WOW in comabt. Videos does not do justice to SWTOR though. One has to play it to understand the difference between WOW and Swtor combat mechanics.
OP I don't think you understand what people really mean when they say "xxx is WoW clone". Let me clarify it to you, what we really mean when we say "xxx is a WoW clone" is we see a big lack of innovation.
Guild Wars 2's 50 minutes game play video:
http://n4g.com/news/592585/guild-wars-2-50-minutes-of-pure-gameplay
Everything We Know about GW2:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/287180/page/1
Because you have a very, very shallow outlook on what innovation is. Innovation means taking an existing thing and improving on it. (example: taking your typical MMO quest structure and improving it). That's innovation, whether you like it or not, or whether its in an area you want it to be in or not.
Don't come back with well, story means nothing to an MMO, that's just utter BS used to throw up a smokescreen as to what TOR has innovated on.
If adding dodge to the combat ability formula in GW2 is innovation a lot of what TOR is doing is innovative, unless you have a personal bias for one or the other of course.
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SW:TOR Graphics Evolution and Comparison
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And thats exactly what Bioware has done with questing. Added a deep vocal story to everything...
I mean really, to all that are saying SW:TOR is not innovative enough, what more do you want? Really, explain it exactly, instead of just saying more innovation...you can't can ya!? There really isn't much more any developer can do, than what is already there. I sure can't think of anything solid, other than what Bioware are already doing!
I'm in the same boat as everyone else too. I'm hoping someone will come out with something astoundingly groundbreaking that nobody has ever thought of before, and since we havn't seen it other than a few tweaks here in there based on what Blizzard did to the previous generation of MMO, I'm doubting we'll see that anytime soon. I'm bored of whats currently out there, and while yeah SW:TOR is very similar to everything else, there are a ton of little tweaks here and there that expand on the usual and make it better. Just gotta roll with whats being thought up, and enjoy it for what it is...