I thought price wise the game was decent enough value (for me it was excellent as I have a station pass) and the actual game itself was superb. But the hacking and exploits completely destroyed it, if you're going to make an mmo with a massive pvp draw/element having existing exploits which were ignored or not dealt with quickly enough is no different from having incomplete or buggy pve.
As I have SP I will occassionally pop back in and play a bit but they would be better off making this similar to the GW price plan (without the cash shop), it could then actually have a true come back drawing in a different kind of gamer. That would depend on rectifying the expoits etc though.
----- The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
The game is rock solid, but dont compare it to a traditional mmo (UO, WoW, etc...). Many times i have thought when playing games like God of War that it would be awesome with farming items and playing with friends. That is exactly how dcuo plays. Be prepared to replay some levels to practice increased efficiency and speed. Also pvp is finally a real test of skill in this game. If you are better then the other player you could be 10levels below vs an epiced out beginner and barely loose any life killing him.
The problems with teh game why people left where not content or the game itself, which is excellent. The problem was rampant abuse of cheats and permenent crashing and freezing. All of this is pretty much fixed and neglegible (there is still some rare problems) atm and the game is at a point where you can enjoy it without the frustration parts.
I have played tons of mmo's to great extent and dcuo is a real breath of fresh air. Actually no comeback is really needed since the server pop in europe is plenty fine since the new update 4 (avg wait time for pvp instances for me last week: 3minutes) and the phasing servers are just making the outside world crawling with people again.
After reading all the comments i can just say haters never come to this game and leave our secret little gem alone XD.
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omg you people seem to have your mind made up...
well you wont find sane thinking humans on mmo sites anyhow ;p. Just sharing my experience and like i said stay away from dcuo with that attitude. There are enough other games swarming with kids, im happy to play with other fellow working family men/women.
The game is rock solid, but dont compare it to a traditional mmo (UO, WoW, etc...). Many times i have thought when playing games like God of War that it would be awesome with farming items and playing with friends. That is exactly how dcuo plays. Be prepared to replay some levels to practice increased efficiency and speed. Also pvp is finally a real test of skill in this game. If you are better then the other player you could be 10levels below vs an epiced out beginner and barely loose any life killing him.
The problems with teh game why people left where not content or the game itself, which is excellent. The problem was rampant abuse of cheats and permenent crashing and freezing. All of this is pretty much fixed and neglegible (there is still some rare problems) atm and the game is at a point where you can enjoy it without the frustration parts.
I have played tons of mmo's to great extent and dcuo is a real breath of fresh air. Actually no comeback is really needed since the server pop in europe is plenty fine since the new update 4 (avg wait time for pvp instances for me last week: 3minutes) and the phasing servers are just making the outside world crawling with people again.
After reading all the comments i can just say haters never come to this game and leave our secret little gem alone XD.
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omg you people seem to have your mind made up...
well you wont find sane thinking humans on mmo sites anyhow ;p. Just sharing my experience and like i said stay away from dcuo with that attitude. There are enough other games swarming with kids, im happy to play with other fellow working family men/women.
1st rule of mmorpg, if you like a game that is disliked by a majority you are a shrill or a fool. The idea you that you have different tastes or don't see the logic in holding a grudge against a coorporation for a design choice you didn't agree with, is simply not an option.
----- The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
The game is rock solid, but dont compare it to a traditional mmo (UO, WoW, etc...). Many times i have thought when playing games like God of War that it would be awesome with farming items and playing with friends. That is exactly how dcuo plays. Be prepared to replay some levels to practice increased efficiency and speed. Also pvp is finally a real test of skill in this game. If you are better then the other player you could be 10levels below vs an epiced out beginner and barely loose any life killing him.
The problems with teh game why people left where not content or the game itself, which is excellent. The problem was rampant abuse of cheats and permenent crashing and freezing. All of this is pretty much fixed and neglegible (there is still some rare problems) atm and the game is at a point where you can enjoy it without the frustration parts.
I have played tons of mmo's to great extent and dcuo is a real breath of fresh air. Actually no comeback is really needed since the server pop in europe is plenty fine since the new update 4 (avg wait time for pvp instances for me last week: 3minutes) and the phasing servers are just making the outside world crawling with people again.
After reading all the comments i can just say haters never come to this game and leave our secret little gem alone XD.
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omg you people seem to have your mind made up...
well you wont find sane thinking humans on mmo sites anyhow ;p. Just sharing my experience and like i said stay away from dcuo with that attitude. There are enough other games swarming with kids, im happy to play with other fellow working family men/women.
1st rule of mmorpg, if you like a game that is disliked by a majority you are a shrill or a fool. The idea you that you have different tastes or don't see the logic in holding a grudge against a coorporation for a design choice you didn't agree with, is simply not an option.
There is a difference between liking and game and what happened here.
Take the highlighted part for example. He is saying that all the people who did in fact cite the content, lack of fixes and problems with the game as their reason for leaving are somehow wrong. Apparently they left for other reason, because he likes the game? I guess after 7 months all the "frustrating" things are gone, which doesn't really speak to highly of what the game was like when people quit, but remember they were wrong.
Then there is the whole "I don't like your opinion so you should go away and never play DCU" which comes straight from the official DCU forums. So far that mentality hasn't really worked so well for DCU. Considering DCU just closed 22 of its 26 servers I think it is safe to assume that yes the game does need a comeback and pretty badly.
The game is rock solid, but dont compare it to a traditional mmo (UO, WoW, etc...). Many times i have thought when playing games like God of War that it would be awesome with farming items and playing with friends. That is exactly how dcuo plays. Be prepared to replay some levels to practice increased efficiency and speed. Also pvp is finally a real test of skill in this game. If you are better then the other player you could be 10levels below vs an epiced out beginner and barely loose any life killing him.
The problems with teh game why people left where not content or the game itself, which is excellent. The problem was rampant abuse of cheats and permenent crashing and freezing. All of this is pretty much fixed and neglegible (there is still some rare problems) atm and the game is at a point where you can enjoy it without the frustration parts.
I have played tons of mmo's to great extent and dcuo is a real breath of fresh air. Actually no comeback is really needed since the server pop in europe is plenty fine since the new update 4 (avg wait time for pvp instances for me last week: 3minutes) and the phasing servers are just making the outside world crawling with people again.
After reading all the comments i can just say haters never come to this game and leave our secret little gem alone XD.
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omg you people seem to have your mind made up...
well you wont find sane thinking humans on mmo sites anyhow ;p. Just sharing my experience and like i said stay away from dcuo with that attitude. There are enough other games swarming with kids, im happy to play with other fellow working family men/women.
1st rule of mmorpg, if you like a game that is disliked by a majority you are a shrill or a fool. The idea you that you have different tastes or don't see the logic in holding a grudge against a coorporation for a design choice you didn't agree with, is simply not an option.
There is a difference between liking and game and what happened here.
Take the highlighted part for example. He is saying that all the people who did in fact cite the content, lack of fixes and problems with the game as their reason for leaving are somehow wrong. Apparently they left for other reason, because he likes the game? I guess after 7 months all the "frustrating" things are gone, which doesn't really speak to highly of what the game was like when people quit, but remember they were wrong.
Then there is the whole "I don't like your opinion so you should go away and never play DCU" which comes straight from the official DCU forums. So far that mentality hasn't really worked so well for DCU. Considering DCU just closed 22 of its 26 servers I think it is safe to assume that yes the game does need a comeback and pretty badly.
Dont get me wrong. The game was at a HORRIBLE state just 1month ago. You had to reset your PS3 5-10 times a raid and hacks and glitches ran rampant for weeks. I honestly dont know why i stuck around during that time it was not playable. The thing i dont get though is the lack of content. Its an action game and has a ton of levels. I am what you would call fully geared and its not really needed to grind out the raids any more, but the action combat is just fun to play for me. You cannot grind your perfect gear setup during a period of daily raiding for months here, you will get it much sooner. And i never said dont like anyones opinion but look at the replies you get here for an experience report. Its all talk about SOE and not the game itself. The community is friendly and mature so i am a bit protective about that .
Sorry if I hurt your feelings, as stated im just expressing opinion and everyone can have theirs. Most comments here dont seem to be based around much more then SOE hate though (which I have plenty of btw since they fuxed my swg jedi).
I can assure you I have played both the beta and retail versions of the game. Sigma 13 was my main character on the Public Enemies server(Fire tank/dps hybrid), Agent 13 was my controller and The Curse was my villain healer, the other 2 being heroes)
I completed every raid until I quit at the time wihch was the Batcave all the way until he gets taken over by Brother Eye and Khandaq. You are correct the raid content and the daily token grinds for 4 men alerts aren't single player content but the MAJORITY of the game is.
PVP could have been alot of fun except for the rampant bugs and exploits which allowed for blatant cheating and of course the difference in pvp gear and pve gear meant that you were almost playing 2 different games to some degree. If the game addressed the exploits then premades vs premades could be enjoyable, but that was all too often too rare.
Yes there were other things to do, the achievements leading into more skill points were interesting but frankly the need for weapons became redundant and lead to a feeling of sameness where everyone could spec into the same weapons if they desired.
After getting your tiered sets and raid gear what was there left to do? The open PVP was well either ignored one so overwhelmed by 1 side. Alerts were boring and raids were on a timer and for the most part all raids could be done in 1 or 2 nights and alerts only required Dailies to be done.
The game was 1 dimensional and was 90% single player.
So aside from accusing me of only playing the beta which I assure you I did not where have I really gone wrong?
The issue as many have stated is SOE. They have time and time again created these great shells of games with alot of potential but they onyl go so far. They bring the game to the point where they have to stop spending their own money on the game and would rather have us spend the money and then put minimal effort in bringing the game the rest of the way so they can profit. The problem is if you keep selling people incomplete or substandard things then you got an issue to deal with.
Soe to me and many others is like a car salesman who sell you the whole car but without wheels or an engine and says in 3 months he will sell you another tire and then 3 months a second tire if you keep paying for the car. It is a crap system.
DCUO was a bit more complete then other products but this time instead of a car they sold us a small shiny bicycle. They tried to turn a single player action game into an MMO but when the only thing one can do is BASH things with little synergy or reason to work with others except for a few endgame content at the end then of course it will fail as fast as it did despite the potential.
The game was go to A, Kill B go to C and kill D for 30 levels,Guess what, once you do all that and do it 3 or 4 times with alts you begin to look for other things to do, that by definition is a single player game, not an MMO.
Mix DCUO with Animal Crossing or The sims and i bet you that you have a game people will stay with as weird as that sounds. People want a vibrant and dynamic world and sadly that does not exist in DCUO.
The game is rock solid, but dont compare it to a traditional mmo (UO, WoW, etc...). Many times i have thought when playing games like God of War that it would be awesome with farming items and playing with friends. That is exactly how dcuo plays. Be prepared to replay some levels to practice increased efficiency and speed. Also pvp is finally a real test of skill in this game. If you are better then the other player you could be 10levels below vs an epiced out beginner and barely loose any life killing him.
I have played tons of mmo's to great extent and dcuo is a real breath of fresh air. Actually no comeback is really needed since the server pop in europe is plenty fine since the new update 4 (avg wait time for pvp instances for me last week: 3minutes) and the phasing servers are just making the outside world crawling with people again.
After reading all the comments i can just say haters never come to this game and leave our secret little gem alone XD.
I'm pretty sure it's more than just "haters" leaving and avoiding your game.
And "crawling with people again"? There's not one indicator to back up that claim or the claim about Europeans not having the same issues.
Please also explain this whole "practice" thing to me. You do the same few instances over and over and over again until you get REALLY good...and...then what? What do you feel you're "practicing" for?!
By "rock solid", are you implying "bug free" or what does that term mean to you?
Dont get me wrong. The game was at a HORRIBLE state just 1month ago. You had to reset your PS3 5-10 times a raid and hacks and glitches ran rampant for weeks. I honestly dont know why i stuck around during that time it was not playable. The thing i dont get though is the lack of content. Its an action game and has a ton of levels. I am what you would call fully geared and its not really needed to grind out the raids any more, but the action combat is just fun to play for me. You cannot grind your perfect gear setup during a period of daily raiding for months here, you will get it much sooner. And i never said dont like anyones opinion but look at the replies you get here for an experience report. Its all talk about SOE and not the game itself. The community is friendly and mature so i am a bit protective about that .
Sorry if I hurt your feelings, as stated im just expressing opinion and everyone can have theirs. Most comments here dont seem to be based around much more then SOE hate though (which I have plenty of btw since they fuxed my swg jedi).
My feelings are not hurt, but thanks for your concern.
That being said you seem to be doing that thing again. You read all the complaints in this thread about specific aspects of DCU and you have generalized it as somehow being SOE hate and nothing more. As if all the specific issues pointed out are just imagined and there are no problems worth complaining about.
You enjoy the game which is fine. You don't see a lack of content, because you enjoy the combat, which is fine. This game has lost probably 95% of its population, so I think overwhelming majority of players see it differently than you do, which is also fine.
The "tons" of levels you talk about last only a few weeks at a very casual pace. The game world quickly becomes irrelevant and even SOE has acknowledged this. After hitting level 30 the game rapidly devolves into running a few daily instantced quests and raids that are mostly just reskinned areas that were done during levels 1-29. There is a reason most people left the game within their initial free month subscription.
I think the community you see as friendly and mature has more or less become "defensive" as you put it. Reading the official forums and almost any criticism of the game is met by the hivemind with mocking pictures and comments of "don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out" with posters like Longhorn Tex cheerleading the mob. It doesn't matter how valid or well stated those criticisms might be, the response is always the same.
The crazy part is posters like Longhorn really have convinced themselves that what they are doing is somehow helping the game by rabidly attacking valid criticisms or opinions that don't praise the game. They really do not see how the harm they are doing or the ugly picture of the community they are displaying.
DCUO has a horrible marketing team. I believe that none of the game content flows the way it should, and this hinders the experience that could have been epic. The city may look great but it is void of life (whether it be players of NPCs). I also feel that the use of gear by players outside of those mentored by Batman was a poor and unimaginative idea. A comeback? Possible, but unlikely.
I just re-upped my SOE Pass so I could play EQ2, Planetside and DCO ... so far I really enjoy playing on PC (although I use an Xbox 360 controller when I do). It sounds like most peoples complaint is with the endgame. I guess I'll decide when I get there.
I would really really would like a trial of this game... I can't understand why any game thats been around this long that does not have a trial for people to try it out... It seems to me they are trying to make people go in blind. I refuse to pay 40 bucks for a game that I may or maynot enjoy.
Conservatism. Just old white men trying to find ways to legalize discrimination, and make the poor poorer
I really think this game could make a come back the combat is amazing and so is everything about the game except there is not much content in the game and the level cap is 30 if they would have added more content and made the level cape like 60-70 the game would have been alot better and would have not died like it did
Nah, it would have just taken 2 weeks to beat the game/reach max level instead of one.
I just re-upped my SOE Pass so I could play EQ2, Planetside and DCO ... so far I really enjoy playing on PC (although I use an Xbox 360 controller when I do). It sounds like most peoples complaint is with the endgame. I guess I'll decide when I get there.
The game is rock solid, but dont compare it to a traditional mmo (UO, WoW, etc...). Many times i have thought when playing games like God of War that it would be awesome with farming items and playing with friends. That is exactly how dcuo plays. Be prepared to replay some levels to practice increased efficiency and speed. Also pvp is finally a real test of skill in this game. If you are better then the other player you could be 10levels below vs an epiced out beginner and barely loose any life killing him.
I have played tons of mmo's to great extent and dcuo is a real breath of fresh air. Actually no comeback is really needed since the server pop in europe is plenty fine since the new update 4 (avg wait time for pvp instances for me last week: 3minutes) and the phasing servers are just making the outside world crawling with people again.
After reading all the comments i can just say haters never come to this game and leave our secret little gem alone XD.
I'm pretty sure it's more than just "haters" leaving and avoiding your game.
And "crawling with people again"? There's not one indicator to back up that claim or the claim about Europeans not having the same issues.
Please also explain this whole "practice" thing to me. You do the same few instances over and over and over again until you get REALLY good...and...then what? What do you feel you're "practicing" for?!
By "rock solid", are you implying "bug free" or what does that term mean to you?
Ofc people did not leave the game because of hate. They didnt like it. I was talking about the persistance of people allegedly not playing the game any more and bashing it. Just hard to comprehend because when i leave a game i dont stick around the forums.
Crawling with people again means that before my vacation you could go out the nightclub to metro and see noone or maybe one guy flying around. Now I consistently teleport out to 20+ people pvping, effects flying everywhere. On my way to missions you pass people, which didnt use to happen at all. The rest is a guess based on consolidating the other server. If all servers even match the pop of mine (wich is supposedly the smallest one) then I am good with pop in the cities again.
The practice thing is probably harder to comprehend for youngre gamers. My generation spend millions of coins on machienes to achieve something that is called a highscore. Gaming consistet of perfecting the levels you where playing to the extreme. I get that same feeling with the scoreboards in dcuo, just in a group setting. Its not everyones thing I can understand as games nowadays are leaned more towards casual entertainment more along the lines of movies.
With rock solid i mean the concept is good. The graphics are current gen and the gameplay is thought out. Production value of the game is high. It is not perfect though, it is solid...
I'm a soloer, and when I reached level 23, the quests stopped. I thoroughly enjoyed the game up unti then. But, I don't suppose the new plans include any content for me.
Hmmm. Are you sure you've done all the available quests for all 3 mentors on your side? I've soloed four characters to level 30 and still had quests not done, and two more are in the mid 20's now giving me a nearly complete set of all 6 mentors at level 30.
In regard to the article, right on dude. DCUO is awesome and is getting better all the time. Update 4 has helped my endgame activities a lot. Used to be I could queue up for something and go cook dinner, LOL, and still not get into anything. Recently I've got into my chosen whatever in just one or two minutes and sometimes within seconds. I agree with some of you, the updates were meant to be monthly but as most of you are complaining abou a lack of completeness do you really want the new updates released incomplete to keep it strictly monthly? Every two months seems to be the trend, which is fine with me. Yes, the game could use more quests that are unique to the mentor you pick. Take a page from Everquest 2, each starting area has a whole set of unique quests to level up on before you have to go do the same old quests that you've done before. Having a few to start, a few more around level 15 and more at level 30 is nice but could be better. But many of these are just doing the same quests from the other side of the coin. Even so, the quests are fun to complete (with the exception of Deathstroke and Brother Eye) several times. Some of the high level bosses are so apt ot cheat that it makes me wonder if they are glitched (Alan Scott, Hush, level 30 Brainiac bots in Gotham).
Every game has its issues, this is just growing pains. I played Vanguard at launch for 3 days, I've played it since (during a 45 day complimentary period after the breach) and it is better than it was. I started playing SWG after the NGE so I can't comment on that change. It was an OK game. WOW is more hype than susbsance, and it seems to be for children based on what I have seen based on my free trial experience. That was before Cataclysm, which I hear made it better.
I anxiously await the Fight for the Light pack and hope the other Beta powersets are going to show up eventually as well. I do agree that $10 is a bit much to ask for each new powerset, especially if it does not include new mentors and solo quests. Converting a level 30 to Light to go do the new group only quests seems a bit silly.
The game is rock solid, but dont compare it to a traditional mmo (UO, WoW, etc...). Many times i have thought when playing games like God of War that it would be awesome with farming items and playing with friends. That is exactly how dcuo plays. Be prepared to replay some levels to practice increased efficiency and speed. Also pvp is finally a real test of skill in this game. If you are better then the other player you could be 10levels below vs an epiced out beginner and barely loose any life killing him.
I have played tons of mmo's to great extent and dcuo is a real breath of fresh air. Actually no comeback is really needed since the server pop in europe is plenty fine since the new update 4 (avg wait time for pvp instances for me last week: 3minutes) and the phasing servers are just making the outside world crawling with people again.
After reading all the comments i can just say haters never come to this game and leave our secret little gem alone XD.
I'm pretty sure it's more than just "haters" leaving and avoiding your game.
And "crawling with people again"? There's not one indicator to back up that claim or the claim about Europeans not having the same issues.
Please also explain this whole "practice" thing to me. You do the same few instances over and over and over again until you get REALLY good...and...then what? What do you feel you're "practicing" for?!
By "rock solid", are you implying "bug free" or what does that term mean to you?
Ofc people did not leave the game because of hate. They didnt like it. I was talking about the persistance of people allegedly not playing the game any more and bashing it. Just hard to comprehend because when i leave a game i dont stick around the forums.
Crawling with people again means that before my vacation you could go out the nightclub to metro and see noone or maybe one guy flying around. Now I consistently teleport out to 20+ people pvping, effects flying everywhere. On my way to missions you pass people, which didnt use to happen at all. The rest is a guess based on consolidating the other server. If all servers even match the pop of mine (wich is supposedly the smallest one) then I am good with pop in the cities again.
The practice thing is probably harder to comprehend for youngre gamers. My generation spend millions of coins on machienes to achieve something that is called a highscore. Gaming consistet of perfecting the levels you where playing to the extreme. I get that same feeling with the scoreboards in dcuo, just in a group setting. Its not everyones thing I can understand as games nowadays are leaned more towards casual entertainment more along the lines of movies.
With rock solid i mean the concept is good. The graphics are current gen and the gameplay is thought out. Production value of the game is high. It is not perfect though, it is solid...
I think what he meant by practicing is that there are lots of feats you can only get if you go back into a level after the first time, unless you are really good. Hard Knocks and the other survival feats are a good example of having to go back in at a higher level, as are the ones like opening valves or not letting team members die or enemies to regenerate.
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I thought price wise the game was decent enough value (for me it was excellent as I have a station pass) and the actual game itself was superb. But the hacking and exploits completely destroyed it, if you're going to make an mmo with a massive pvp draw/element having existing exploits which were ignored or not dealt with quickly enough is no different from having incomplete or buggy pve.
As I have SP I will occassionally pop back in and play a bit but they would be better off making this similar to the GW price plan (without the cash shop), it could then actually have a true come back drawing in a different kind of gamer. That would depend on rectifying the expoits etc though.
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The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
omg you people seem to have your mind made up...
well you wont find sane thinking humans on mmo sites anyhow ;p. Just sharing my experience and like i said stay away from dcuo with that attitude. There are enough other games swarming with kids, im happy to play with other fellow working family men/women.
1st rule of mmorpg, if you like a game that is disliked by a majority you are a shrill or a fool. The idea you that you have different tastes or don't see the logic in holding a grudge against a coorporation for a design choice you didn't agree with, is simply not an option.
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The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
There is a difference between liking and game and what happened here.
Take the highlighted part for example. He is saying that all the people who did in fact cite the content, lack of fixes and problems with the game as their reason for leaving are somehow wrong. Apparently they left for other reason, because he likes the game? I guess after 7 months all the "frustrating" things are gone, which doesn't really speak to highly of what the game was like when people quit, but remember they were wrong.
Then there is the whole "I don't like your opinion so you should go away and never play DCU" which comes straight from the official DCU forums. So far that mentality hasn't really worked so well for DCU. Considering DCU just closed 22 of its 26 servers I think it is safe to assume that yes the game does need a comeback and pretty badly.
Dont get me wrong. The game was at a HORRIBLE state just 1month ago. You had to reset your PS3 5-10 times a raid and hacks and glitches ran rampant for weeks. I honestly dont know why i stuck around during that time it was not playable. The thing i dont get though is the lack of content. Its an action game and has a ton of levels. I am what you would call fully geared and its not really needed to grind out the raids any more, but the action combat is just fun to play for me. You cannot grind your perfect gear setup during a period of daily raiding for months here, you will get it much sooner. And i never said dont like anyones opinion but look at the replies you get here for an experience report. Its all talk about SOE and not the game itself. The community is friendly and mature so i am a bit protective about that
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Sorry if I hurt your feelings, as stated im just expressing opinion and everyone can have theirs. Most comments here dont seem to be based around much more then SOE hate though (which I have plenty of btw since they fuxed my swg jedi).
DarthDigger, thanks for reading my comments.
I can assure you I have played both the beta and retail versions of the game. Sigma 13 was my main character on the Public Enemies server(Fire tank/dps hybrid), Agent 13 was my controller and The Curse was my villain healer, the other 2 being heroes)
I completed every raid until I quit at the time wihch was the Batcave all the way until he gets taken over by Brother Eye and Khandaq. You are correct the raid content and the daily token grinds for 4 men alerts aren't single player content but the MAJORITY of the game is.
PVP could have been alot of fun except for the rampant bugs and exploits which allowed for blatant cheating and of course the difference in pvp gear and pve gear meant that you were almost playing 2 different games to some degree. If the game addressed the exploits then premades vs premades could be enjoyable, but that was all too often too rare.
Yes there were other things to do, the achievements leading into more skill points were interesting but frankly the need for weapons became redundant and lead to a feeling of sameness where everyone could spec into the same weapons if they desired.
After getting your tiered sets and raid gear what was there left to do? The open PVP was well either ignored one so overwhelmed by 1 side. Alerts were boring and raids were on a timer and for the most part all raids could be done in 1 or 2 nights and alerts only required Dailies to be done.
The game was 1 dimensional and was 90% single player.
So aside from accusing me of only playing the beta which I assure you I did not where have I really gone wrong?
Fool's Advocate, not Devil's.
The issue as many have stated is SOE. They have time and time again created these great shells of games with alot of potential but they onyl go so far. They bring the game to the point where they have to stop spending their own money on the game and would rather have us spend the money and then put minimal effort in bringing the game the rest of the way so they can profit. The problem is if you keep selling people incomplete or substandard things then you got an issue to deal with.
Soe to me and many others is like a car salesman who sell you the whole car but without wheels or an engine and says in 3 months he will sell you another tire and then 3 months a second tire if you keep paying for the car. It is a crap system.
DCUO was a bit more complete then other products but this time instead of a car they sold us a small shiny bicycle. They tried to turn a single player action game into an MMO but when the only thing one can do is BASH things with little synergy or reason to work with others except for a few endgame content at the end then of course it will fail as fast as it did despite the potential.
The game was go to A, Kill B go to C and kill D for 30 levels,Guess what, once you do all that and do it 3 or 4 times with alts you begin to look for other things to do, that by definition is a single player game, not an MMO.
Mix DCUO with Animal Crossing or The sims and i bet you that you have a game people will stay with as weird as that sounds. People want a vibrant and dynamic world and sadly that does not exist in DCUO.
I'm pretty sure it's more than just "haters" leaving and avoiding your game.
And "crawling with people again"? There's not one indicator to back up that claim or the claim about Europeans not having the same issues.
Please also explain this whole "practice" thing to me. You do the same few instances over and over and over again until you get REALLY good...and...then what? What do you feel you're "practicing" for?!
By "rock solid", are you implying "bug free" or what does that term mean to you?
My feelings are not hurt, but thanks for your concern.
That being said you seem to be doing that thing again. You read all the complaints in this thread about specific aspects of DCU and you have generalized it as somehow being SOE hate and nothing more. As if all the specific issues pointed out are just imagined and there are no problems worth complaining about.
You enjoy the game which is fine. You don't see a lack of content, because you enjoy the combat, which is fine. This game has lost probably 95% of its population, so I think overwhelming majority of players see it differently than you do, which is also fine.
The "tons" of levels you talk about last only a few weeks at a very casual pace. The game world quickly becomes irrelevant and even SOE has acknowledged this. After hitting level 30 the game rapidly devolves into running a few daily instantced quests and raids that are mostly just reskinned areas that were done during levels 1-29. There is a reason most people left the game within their initial free month subscription.
I think the community you see as friendly and mature has more or less become "defensive" as you put it. Reading the official forums and almost any criticism of the game is met by the hivemind with mocking pictures and comments of "don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out" with posters like Longhorn Tex cheerleading the mob. It doesn't matter how valid or well stated those criticisms might be, the response is always the same.
The crazy part is posters like Longhorn really have convinced themselves that what they are doing is somehow helping the game by rabidly attacking valid criticisms or opinions that don't praise the game. They really do not see how the harm they are doing or the ugly picture of the community they are displaying.
DCUO has a horrible marketing team. I believe that none of the game content flows the way it should, and this hinders the experience that could have been epic. The city may look great but it is void of life (whether it be players of NPCs). I also feel that the use of gear by players outside of those mentored by Batman was a poor and unimaginative idea. A comeback? Possible, but unlikely.
I just re-upped my SOE Pass so I could play EQ2, Planetside and DCO ... so far I really enjoy playing on PC (although I use an Xbox 360 controller when I do). It sounds like most peoples complaint is with the endgame. I guess I'll decide when I get there.
I would really really would like a trial of this game... I can't understand why any game thats been around this long that does not have a trial for people to try it out... It seems to me they are trying to make people go in blind. I refuse to pay 40 bucks for a game that I may or maynot enjoy.
Conservatism.
Just old white men trying to find ways to legalize discrimination, and make the poor poorer
Nah, it would have just taken 2 weeks to beat the game/reach max level instead of one.
Should be in a couple days.
I remember i was really excited about this game when all the videos were comming out. the game looked awesome.... And then I got a Beta key.
I played it for like one day, and had enough to say I didn't like the gameplay.
I'm gonna stick to my PC designed MMOs.
Thank you much.
Ofc people did not leave the game because of hate. They didnt like it. I was talking about the persistance of people allegedly not playing the game any more and bashing it. Just hard to comprehend because when i leave a game i dont stick around the forums.
Crawling with people again means that before my vacation you could go out the nightclub to metro and see noone or maybe one guy flying around. Now I consistently teleport out to 20+ people pvping, effects flying everywhere. On my way to missions you pass people, which didnt use to happen at all. The rest is a guess based on consolidating the other server. If all servers even match the pop of mine (wich is supposedly the smallest one) then I am good with pop in the cities again.
The practice thing is probably harder to comprehend for youngre gamers. My generation spend millions of coins on machienes to achieve something that is called a highscore. Gaming consistet of perfecting the levels you where playing to the extreme. I get that same feeling with the scoreboards in dcuo, just in a group setting. Its not everyones thing I can understand as games nowadays are leaned more towards casual entertainment more along the lines of movies.
With rock solid i mean the concept is good. The graphics are current gen and the gameplay is thought out. Production value of the game is high. It is not perfect though, it is solid...
Hmmm. Are you sure you've done all the available quests for all 3 mentors on your side? I've soloed four characters to level 30 and still had quests not done, and two more are in the mid 20's now giving me a nearly complete set of all 6 mentors at level 30.
In regard to the article, right on dude. DCUO is awesome and is getting better all the time. Update 4 has helped my endgame activities a lot. Used to be I could queue up for something and go cook dinner, LOL, and still not get into anything. Recently I've got into my chosen whatever in just one or two minutes and sometimes within seconds. I agree with some of you, the updates were meant to be monthly but as most of you are complaining abou a lack of completeness do you really want the new updates released incomplete to keep it strictly monthly? Every two months seems to be the trend, which is fine with me. Yes, the game could use more quests that are unique to the mentor you pick. Take a page from Everquest 2, each starting area has a whole set of unique quests to level up on before you have to go do the same old quests that you've done before. Having a few to start, a few more around level 15 and more at level 30 is nice but could be better. But many of these are just doing the same quests from the other side of the coin. Even so, the quests are fun to complete (with the exception of Deathstroke and Brother Eye) several times. Some of the high level bosses are so apt ot cheat that it makes me wonder if they are glitched (Alan Scott, Hush, level 30 Brainiac bots in Gotham).
Every game has its issues, this is just growing pains. I played Vanguard at launch for 3 days, I've played it since (during a 45 day complimentary period after the breach) and it is better than it was. I started playing SWG after the NGE so I can't comment on that change. It was an OK game. WOW is more hype than susbsance, and it seems to be for children based on what I have seen based on my free trial experience. That was before Cataclysm, which I hear made it better.
I anxiously await the Fight for the Light pack and hope the other Beta powersets are going to show up eventually as well. I do agree that $10 is a bit much to ask for each new powerset, especially if it does not include new mentors and solo quests. Converting a level 30 to Light to go do the new group only quests seems a bit silly.
I think what he meant by practicing is that there are lots of feats you can only get if you go back into a level after the first time, unless you are really good. Hard Knocks and the other survival feats are a good example of having to go back in at a higher level, as are the ones like opening valves or not letting team members die or enemies to regenerate.