Gee, why wouldn't I want to play a game that celebrates criminality?
Criminality.. for want of a better word... exists in Eve to a fairly large extent, actually even calling it criminality is extremely misleading.. as it implies that what your doing is actually wrong.... but scamming is just a single facet, theres also piracy... which at some point or other.. most likely at least 75 percent of Eve players have dabbled in at some point, Extortion.. wardec'ing a corp in high sec and then demanding money to make their little problem 'go away' ... happens all the time.. kidnapping.. well if holding someones pod/hulk hostage and threatening to pod/hull them unless they pay up counts.. .. grand theft 'spaceship' well, Eve has that too, how many corps have lost assets to players who infiltrated their Corp with the sole aim of relieving them of their assets... Eves players are often as inventive as it would appear... they can be as gullible.. life too has a learning curve
Its just a shame that the fact that ppl are anonymous, that there is no ingame system of governance or laws, no repercussions etc make for a game where ppl are more likely to look to scam others and those who are industrious and looking to set up economic systems etc and play it that way cant safely do so While sandbox is amazing for freedom and meta game, its also vulnerable to griefing etc. Just a thought
Gee, why wouldn't I want to play a game that celebrates criminality?
Hopefully you're being sarcastic. All I have seen here about the game is that most of EVE's fans either can't type common english and/or support criminal conduct.
So no thanks, I prefer to keep my braincells intact and not have my intelligence insulted by playing a mmo that supports those flaws.
After what happened with the whole Bernie Madoff scandal, anyone who fell for this honestly deserved it. Phaser Inc didn't even demonstrate any originality, they were essentially little Bernie Jr's in EvE space. These unoriginal jokers plans should have rotted on the vine, had players had any sort of common sense at all. So sad.
I love how people look at this and say this game is wrong for allowing this while in RL it happens all the time go to any bank and they wil offer you a interest as long as you drop your money in there account.
Yes i know we have rules against it but it still happens the scale is bigger and it happens to not stick out so much, why do you think most goverments around the world had to drop a shit load of money in the bank a few year ago ??
The same thing the banks where using your money and losing it all over the place so when they ran out we ran into the problem that all the money was gone and the population would have revolted if they found that out so the goverment dropt money in there money they got by taxation so the banks lost your money and then got more of your money to not go bankrupt.
So we the tax payer got screwed twice and we dont even seem to care.
And dont let me get starten about the stock exchange where they trade futures !
Look it up and be amazed about the way they make money without ever having to play ( as long as they are fast enough).
Also the way the cost of goods are raised without ever doing anything with them by buying low and selling high.(on average the pice of common goods goes up 20% between production and getting to a factory)
While your looking also check the word "resale" buying stuff marking it up and selling it.
And this is all legit.
But finely remember this is only a game and it is nowhere near to RL where we do have rules agains it.
"Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, Or who said it, Even if I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own common sense" - The Buddha, from Dhammapada
Regardless of who "may" have deserved what and when, hiding behind the anonymity of the Internet to make snide and insensitive remarks only reinforces the fact there is a problem with the modern gaming community.
It doesn't matter if you are playing a game or staring someone down face to face in RL; you are still a responsible human being. Act like one.
LOL @ eve tracking all large transactions..... I giggle anytime one of these come up as I made over 12k off RMT playing it since beta and quit sold it all in bulk. Screw eve, its so restricted now and no fun for me. I perfer my mustang and new TV it bought me for all my time wasted.
Better for fools to learn this lesson with virtual money than with RL money.
This was my thought too.
Games, after all, are not supposed to be just about wasting time. They are also able to teach. Sometimes they teach us skills, coordination, to plan, to think of alternate strategies.
In this case it taught people about scams.
So... maybe next time these folks get an email from a Nigerian 'Banker' asking them to invest $500 of real money for a $10,000 return they will stop and engage their brain.
I would say these guys taught a lot of people a very valuable lesson at a very cheap price.
...and those who are industrious and looking to set up economic systems etc and play it that way cant safely do so While sandbox is amazing for freedom and meta game, its also vulnerable to griefing etc. Just a thought
Incidents like this scam would not prevent a determined industrialist or enterpreneur from being very successful in EVE. Despite how harsh it sounds, the reality is it was very foolish for anyone to "invest" with these cons. Do I condone what they did? Absolutely not. Do I think CCP condones it? Again, negative. They have just created a universe where "evil" like this can actually happen, not just some unoriginal, scripted "Evil Emperor takes over the galaxy" hoo-rah that so many other games toss at us. Ya know, EVE is Real and all that jazz.
However, that being said, I am avidly opposed to RMTs in all their forms, so if these guys use this illicit activity to obtain real world cash, I think there should be repercussions for THAT, not necessarily for them relieving fools of their ISK. I firmly believe RMTs are a bane to what game developers, publishers, and gamers all invest so much into.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -Edmund Burke
Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards. -Lois McMaster Bujold
The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just. -Abraham Lincoln
This isn't even close to the biggest EvE scam ever, not in real dollars. It still doesn't beat Cally's 800 bill, at a time when 790 billion was worth $170,000 US dollars.
These guys final pull was just over a trillion, but only worth 1/3 of Dentara's haul.
GHSC did it first, and everyone's been out to top them since. GHSC publically applaudes people who do it, but only if they do it on their main ( a requirement to join their corporation in fact is that you pull a scam first on your main, then your main can join).
Ricdic may be the bank scam you're thinking of, as it was fairly recent, but his haul was 200 bill which he cashed out for $6500 AUS to pay his son's medical bills, which were real, unlike Cally/Dentara's.
Cally was called out by Currin, and couldn't produce transaction logs to prove it wasn't a ponzi. She logged out for a week, then staged trickling info about how she was litterally hit by a bus, but would get back soon, blah blah. Turns out HE was picked up at Her Majesty's Pleasure (jail). Then he ran with all the cash.
Regardless of who "may" have deserved what and when, hiding behind the anonymity of the Internet to make snide and insensitive remarks only reinforces the fact there is a problem with the modern gaming community.
It doesn't matter if you are playing a game or staring someone down face to face in RL; you are still a responsible human being. Act like one.
I remember being called the N-word because my character was dark...way back in Ultima Online.
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They all deserved to lose their investments... for being idiots, lets just hope they rage quit.
I don't see how this has anything to do with being hardcore or not. Being a non-hardcore player isn't an excuse for being stupid.
Anyone losing isk like this have only themselves to blame.
this is why this game is pretty cool, i love the scams and this was brilliant - hats off to the fellows and a big facepalm to the suckers lol
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the sheer scale of the scam takes some believing.... i never would have thought there could be so many gullible people in Eve
Gee, why wouldn't I want to play a game that celebrates criminality?
Criminality.. for want of a better word... exists in Eve to a fairly large extent, actually even calling it criminality is extremely misleading.. as it implies that what your doing is actually wrong.... but scamming is just a single facet, theres also piracy... which at some point or other.. most likely at least 75 percent of Eve players have dabbled in at some point, Extortion.. wardec'ing a corp in high sec and then demanding money to make their little problem 'go away' ... happens all the time.. kidnapping.. well if holding someones pod/hulk hostage and threatening to pod/hull them unless they pay up counts.. .. grand theft 'spaceship' well, Eve has that too, how many corps have lost assets to players who infiltrated their Corp with the sole aim of relieving them of their assets... Eves players are often as inventive as it would appear... they can be as gullible.. life too has a learning curve
OHH MY, Something leagle this way comes !
MAGA
this is for those who say pvp is boring and pve missions are boring.
there is much more to sandbox mmos than those two simple things.
scam is one. its not know to be harsh mmo for your destroyed ships.
Rule 1: Don't trust anyone in EVE with your ISK.
Better for fools to learn this lesson with virtual money than with RL money.
Its just a shame that the fact that ppl are anonymous, that there is no ingame system of governance or laws, no repercussions etc make for a game where ppl are more likely to look to scam others and those who are industrious and looking to set up economic systems etc and play it that way cant safely do so
While sandbox is amazing for freedom and meta game, its also vulnerable to griefing etc. Just a thought 
Hopefully you're being sarcastic. All I have seen here about the game is that most of EVE's fans either can't type common english and/or support criminal conduct.
So no thanks, I prefer to keep my braincells intact and not have my intelligence insulted by playing a mmo that supports those flaws.
After what happened with the whole Bernie Madoff scandal, anyone who fell for this honestly deserved it. Phaser Inc didn't even demonstrate any originality, they were essentially little Bernie Jr's in EvE space. These unoriginal jokers plans should have rotted on the vine, had players had any sort of common sense at all. So sad.
My heartiest LULZ at the victims !! DUH! lol
Ok it must be me but...
I love how people look at this and say this game is wrong for allowing this while in RL it happens all the time go to any bank and they wil offer you a interest as long as you drop your money in there account.
Yes i know we have rules against it but it still happens the scale is bigger and it happens to not stick out so much, why do you think most goverments around the world had to drop a shit load of money in the bank a few year ago ??
The same thing the banks where using your money and losing it all over the place so when they ran out we ran into the problem that all the money was gone and the population would have revolted if they found that out so the goverment dropt money in there money they got by taxation so the banks lost your money and then got more of your money to not go bankrupt.
So we the tax payer got screwed twice and we dont even seem to care.
And dont let me get starten about the stock exchange where they trade futures !
Look it up and be amazed about the way they make money without ever having to play ( as long as they are fast enough).
Also the way the cost of goods are raised without ever doing anything with them by buying low and selling high.(on average the pice of common goods goes up 20% between production and getting to a factory)
While your looking also check the word "resale" buying stuff marking it up and selling it.
And this is all legit.
But finely remember this is only a game and it is nowhere near to RL where we do have rules agains it.
"Believe nothing.
No matter where you read it,
Or who said it,
Even if I have said it,
Unless it agrees with your own reason
And your own common sense"
- The Buddha, from Dhammapada
Lmao...
It's the first thing you learn in EVE, only trust your Reallife friends and nobody els.
If you want isk; Earn it by hard working
or get trashed by scammers..
The game has its rules, thankfully none that completly cater to the gullible and reckless
I kinda dislike it when gov blocks natural selection and saves the stupid on every turn they make
Pi*1337/100 = 42
Regardless of who "may" have deserved what and when, hiding behind the anonymity of the Internet to make snide and insensitive remarks only reinforces the fact there is a problem with the modern gaming community.
It doesn't matter if you are playing a game or staring someone down face to face in RL; you are still a responsible human being. Act like one.
I was pretty amazed anyone pulled something like this off. With all the constant scams of this nature that go on in Eve.
People got to learn in Eve you must play smart and careful.
LOL @ eve tracking all large transactions..... I giggle anytime one of these come up as I made over 12k off RMT playing it since beta and quit sold it all in bulk. Screw eve, its so restricted now and no fun for me. I perfer my mustang and new TV it bought me for all my time wasted.
This was my thought too.
Games, after all, are not supposed to be just about wasting time. They are also able to teach. Sometimes they teach us skills, coordination, to plan, to think of alternate strategies.
In this case it taught people about scams.
So... maybe next time these folks get an email from a Nigerian 'Banker' asking them to invest $500 of real money for a $10,000 return they will stop and engage their brain.
I would say these guys taught a lot of people a very valuable lesson at a very cheap price.
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
didnt some guy open a bank in Eve & then steal all the money in the end a while back also ? I think he got away with quite a large chunk of cash.
Incidents like this scam would not prevent a determined industrialist or enterpreneur from being very successful in EVE. Despite how harsh it sounds, the reality is it was very foolish for anyone to "invest" with these cons. Do I condone what they did? Absolutely not. Do I think CCP condones it? Again, negative. They have just created a universe where "evil" like this can actually happen, not just some unoriginal, scripted "Evil Emperor takes over the galaxy" hoo-rah that so many other games toss at us. Ya know, EVE is Real and all that jazz.
However, that being said, I am avidly opposed to RMTs in all their forms, so if these guys use this illicit activity to obtain real world cash, I think there should be repercussions for THAT, not necessarily for them relieving fools of their ISK. I firmly believe RMTs are a bane to what game developers, publishers, and gamers all invest so much into.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -Edmund Burke
Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards. -Lois McMaster Bujold
The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just. -Abraham Lincoln
This isn't even close to the biggest EvE scam ever, not in real dollars. It still doesn't beat Cally's 800 bill, at a time when 790 billion was worth $170,000 US dollars.
These guys final pull was just over a trillion, but only worth 1/3 of Dentara's haul.
GHSC did it first, and everyone's been out to top them since. GHSC publically applaudes people who do it, but only if they do it on their main ( a requirement to join their corporation in fact is that you pull a scam first on your main, then your main can join).
Ricdic may be the bank scam you're thinking of, as it was fairly recent, but his haul was 200 bill which he cashed out for $6500 AUS to pay his son's medical bills, which were real, unlike Cally/Dentara's.
Cally was called out by Currin, and couldn't produce transaction logs to prove it wasn't a ponzi. She logged out for a week, then staged trickling info about how she was litterally hit by a bus, but would get back soon, blah blah. Turns out HE was picked up at Her Majesty's Pleasure (jail). Then he ran with all the cash.
I remember being called the N-word because my character was dark...way back in Ultima Online.
Nothing new under the sun.