Originally posted by Foomerang Personal preference is Id rather pay 15 bucks a month and not have to think about any in game RMT at all. But b2p +fluff cash shop is no biggie. It'll probably bring in more money than 15 a month anyway. You'll have some people averaging a dollar a month and some averaging 30+. It all balances out. Plus I dont really get why a fluff shop is considered "earning your money" like Colin said as opposed to paying 15 bucks a month and getting patch content on a regular basis. They are both offering a service for a fee imo.
Isn't EVE now putting in an RMT shop in addition to it's subscription? WoW has had an RMT shop for a while on top of it's box price. DDO, the shining jewel of the F2P world holds a lot back in it's shop that subscribers have to pay for separately. The trend seems to be that subscription no longer means access to everything in the game. There will always be extra things on top of your sub that you will have to pay for if you want them. The question is, how onerous will that be and is a subscription really worth it? With GW2, there is no monthly fee so half that question is already non-applicable. As for earning your money, if what they put for up for sale is crap, no one will buy it because it's purely optional. They have to make sure that what is there is enticing enough to have you part with your money, so that means working for it. If everyone is paying a sub, whether you want what they make or not is irrelevant, you're going to be paying for it anyway. It's just that someone else, someone who is interested, gets the goodies.
True. Still id rather just pay 15 bucks a month and be done with it. Theres plenty of games that do this without cash shops tacked on.
I can see your point and although I do prefer B2P with an RMT, it wouldn't stop me from subscribing to a game again if I thought the quality was there. What would stop me is subscription *and* RMT. If I'm paying for the privilege every month, I want all that the game offers since I'm funding the development, after all. Sadly, WoW has proven that the sub/RMT model works and others are following suit. The days of getting all that you pay for from subscriptions are numbered and every game will have some sort of RMT eventually. However, some will be slimier and more overbearing than others.
Agreed. The best I can hope for is to keep the shops out of the actual gameworld. Keep it exclusively on the website or something.
Originally posted by just1opinion Originally posted by Sharpeh
Originally posted by just1opinion
OP---- I don't find the video on the business model on your YouTube page. The video that is up right now is the Holy Trinity one......
I just reuploaded the video again. I removed the music that was playing in the background :-)
Thank you!!
Now I wanna know what the music was!
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
Agreed. The best I can hope for is to keep the shops out of the actual gameworld. Keep it exclusively on the website or something.
I am betting it will be like GW1, you will see the store when you are at the character selection screen and nowhere else.
As for the rest of this thread, I find the mentality of gamers now days to be ridicules. As long as the company is not making it so you can buy items that have stats so people can compete with money; who cares what cosmetic stuff they add to the store. It is not like they are going to be holding back an expansion so they can make another cosmetic item! I could see if ANet started doing that it would be a problem, but if they make the cosmetic stuff on top of content who gives a flying leap! If you do not like it then do not use it, it has no effect on you in game, how freaking hard is this to understand!
For example I could see them adding a dye unlock to the store, for those that do not know you unlock a dye set in game and it goes across all your characters. So if you want all the dyes you will play through the game and find all the different unlocks so all your characters can use it. I could see ANet adding a unlock for this in the store, where if you pay $10 you get all the dyes from level 1 and you do not have to find them. I know if they have this option I would spend the money so I could dye my armor any color from the start of the game, but that does not mean you have to spend money. You could just play the game and get the dyes and not spend a dime. Does it really hurt you that people can get dyes, that server no other purpose besides cosmetic, faster than you if they spend money? Oh my god it is the end of the world, this person has black dye and I do not at have it at level 1, I am going to go cry in my room now until ANet fixes this. Or they got a different set of town clothes from the store than I got from the karma vendor, you broke my heart ANet. For the love of all that is good and holy stop acting like a 2 years old and grow the hell up!
Now the moment ANet adds items with stats that are better than what you get in game, or delay content expansions so they can get out more cosmetic items, I will be right beside you with a pitchfork. But to cry because somebody gets something faster than you, or has a different cosmetic look then the one you can get in game is absolutely ridicules. That is something a two year old would do, not a grown adult!
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Thank you!!
Now I wanna know what the music was!
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
WTF? No subscription fee?
I am betting it will be like GW1, you will see the store when you are at the character selection screen and nowhere else.
As for the rest of this thread, I find the mentality of gamers now days to be ridicules. As long as the company is not making it so you can buy items that have stats so people can compete with money; who cares what cosmetic stuff they add to the store. It is not like they are going to be holding back an expansion so they can make another cosmetic item! I could see if ANet started doing that it would be a problem, but if they make the cosmetic stuff on top of content who gives a flying leap! If you do not like it then do not use it, it has no effect on you in game, how freaking hard is this to understand!
For example I could see them adding a dye unlock to the store, for those that do not know you unlock a dye set in game and it goes across all your characters. So if you want all the dyes you will play through the game and find all the different unlocks so all your characters can use it. I could see ANet adding a unlock for this in the store, where if you pay $10 you get all the dyes from level 1 and you do not have to find them. I know if they have this option I would spend the money so I could dye my armor any color from the start of the game, but that does not mean you have to spend money. You could just play the game and get the dyes and not spend a dime. Does it really hurt you that people can get dyes, that server no other purpose besides cosmetic, faster than you if they spend money? Oh my god it is the end of the world, this person has black dye and I do not at have it at level 1, I am going to go cry in my room now until ANet fixes this. Or they got a different set of town clothes from the store than I got from the karma vendor, you broke my heart ANet. For the love of all that is good and holy stop acting like a 2 years old and grow the hell up!
Now the moment ANet adds items with stats that are better than what you get in game, or delay content expansions so they can get out more cosmetic items, I will be right beside you with a pitchfork. But to cry because somebody gets something faster than you, or has a different cosmetic look then the one you can get in game is absolutely ridicules. That is something a two year old would do, not a grown adult!