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  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Member CommonPosts: 10,910

     



    Originally posted by AzurePrower

    Although I don't agree with people's reasons for playing the opposite gender. There's no way to tell as there is no sex test upon character creation.

     



    How ever, including homosexual content is preventable. Because the developers have control over the content.



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    Bioware should have gone all the way. If they were going to do something stupid like having relationships with your companions, they should have allowed for same sex and inter-species relationships. They should have allowed you to clone yourself, male and female and have relationships with all your clones at the same time.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • BadSpock2BadSpock2 Member Posts: 96

    lol oh how I love MMO fans...

    "We want games that are new and different"

    1. Enter game with new features (companions, romance arcs with said companions)

    2. Outrage because they "did it wrong"

  • DragimDragim Member UncommonPosts: 867

    Originally posted by Terranah

    Well, maybe you could toggle on/off  'gay'  in the options menu somewhere, lol.

     This is one of the best quotes I have seen ever, made me lol IRL pretty good.

    I actually think romancing an npc in an mmo might be fun.  Probably it will be disappointing.  It's something different I haven't done in an mmo before though, so I'm curious to give it a shot.

    If romancing an NPC in an mmo turns out to be disappointing, then I think it is the closest thing to IRL an MMO has ever done. lol

    But if I play a male character and one of my male npcs slaps my ass I'm decking him.  LOL.  On the other hand, if I'm playing a female character and one of my female npcs french kisses my character, 10/10 stars.  :)

    I think this is how a lot of America views it (can't speak for other cultures, I have no idea).  Well, except sports, guys smack other guys' asses all the time in football. (Good work kid).

    Funny stuff.

    I am entitled to my opinions, misspellings, and grammatical errors.

  • yodablazeyodablaze Member Posts: 234

    Originally posted by Normike

    Originally posted by yodablaze

    Originally posted by britzban

    I am glad they are not going to not have same sex relationships in this game. Can you image two male bounty hunters holding hands?  wtf...ok, this is star wars and not real life people....homesexuality is not in star wars lore last I checked.  They should just take relationships out of the game in the first place.  This kind of crap encourages people to not develop relationships in real life and makes  no sense to me anyways why this has to be in a video game. 

    This was the funniest thing I read all day. Lol.

    Gay Wars...

    Male Jedi in mid drifts and stacks. I don't think that represents what Star Wars is at all. Let's be honest, when it comes to homosexuality, there isn't a real set standard or reasonable limit to how players would like to present themselves. Allowing this in an mmorpg opens Pandora's box to what should be allowed in the game. The gay community would make the game about sexuality and sexual expression and not about the Star Wars experience. This is something ANY gaming company should try to avoid as this could change the over all vision and direction of the game altogether. Who is to say that the gay community wouldn't expect more versatile "gay" expressions through the game through outfits, character customizations and character animations. A girl may prefer their character to walk like a guy and a guy would prefer to walk like a woman. Why wouldn't the gay community be outraged because ToR and ToR alone discriminates against homosexuals?

    Homosexuality is was and always will be more about "sexuality" and sexual expression. It is an adult topic because it's more about sex and sexual expression more than it is about personal preference. It's one thing to give players this option in a single player environment but in an mmorpg, it's all about making a point and sometimes ones need to express themselves could clash with the vision and direction of the game itself.

     

     

    ^Post is disturbing. If gay soldiers have been serving their country in Iraq and Afghanistan (and long before that even), and proudly hold their partners hands, then why can't two bounty hunters? Don't make your issue in imagining that into someone else's issue.

     

    Second, there is reasonable. And there is beyond reasonable. Just having same gender romance arcs is reasonable and fair. The argument that if you make things fair, then they will ask for much much more is ridiculous.

     

    Third, homosexuality is not more about sexuality any more than heterosexuality is. Do you really REALLY think gays have more sexual expression than straight people? Have you turned on a tv, watched youtube, gone out in the street? Proclaiming that being gay brings with it more sexual expression that being straight sounds rediculous even if you live under a rock, considering that most gay people tend to be modest in public so much so that you would probably think they were straight.

     

    I do not live under a rock and I am being very realistic. I've worked in a gay environment and had gay friends. Some tend to be quite expressive with their dress code to the point that it often clashed with the professional expectations of the company.

    My point is valid. If you have a preference, so be it. If you believe "sexual" expression should NOT be in ToR, so be it. The point I made is a particular group of players making it about sexuality, thus ruining the game experience for others. So far, you see so many people so insecure about their sexual orientation they have to voice it on a discussion board. 

    To imply that I've been living under a rock is being a little unrealistic. Are you saying that there are gay women that do not prefer to look like men and gay men that do not prefer to look like women? This is a reality I believe you have closed your eyes to.

    If the creative direction of a game is to focus on the scifi fantasy and lore, to make it about "sex" and or "sexual expression" could ruin it for everybody being that some people would not be satisfied with the basic plot of "boy" meets "girl".

  • UnlightUnlight Member Posts: 2,540

    Originally posted by chelan

    and following on this logic lets talk about books, which can be far more immersive, having opposite gender protagonists. should little boys not read The Golden Compass because the main protagonist is a female? its the job of writers to pull you in and make you sympathize with the main character(s). what happens when your little boy identifies with the alienation or abandonment and then adventure that Lyra experiences. What if your little girl wants to Luke Skywalker and not Princess Leia? or gahd forbid your son loves to play Lara Croft Tomb Raider.

    what i am getting at is any story from oral narrative, to books, to movies, to story driven mmos/rpgs must contain a means of pulling the player in and creating 1. a suspension of disbelief and 2. an immersion in the story itself as the character.

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    I loved the Golden Compass.  And in a strange bit of irony, it was a bisexual ex-girlfriend who introduced me to the series.  Sorry, I know that's barely on topic but I found it funny you mentioned that particular book.

  • CeridithCeridith Member UncommonPosts: 2,980

    Originally posted by lizardbones

     



    Originally posted by AzurePrower

    Although I don't agree with people's reasons for playing the opposite gender. There's no way to tell as there is no sex test upon character creation.

     



    How ever, including homosexual content is preventable. Because the developers have control over the content.



    That and homosexual content is not family friendly. Because you know, homosexual couples cannot procreate families and all that jazz. /zing






    Homosexual does not mean sterile. They are perfectly capable of providing genetic material to create a new human (like we really need more). Even so, they are more likely to adopt children that were abandoned by heterosexual couples...you know, because heterosexual couples are so family friendly.



    There is plenty of evidence to show that children raised by same-sex couples are more stable and tend to do better on average than children raised by mixed-sex couples. This probably has more to do with same-sex couples being more financially stable on average than mixed-sex couples (imo), but still...on average they are more financially stable before trying to raise a human.



    Bioware should have gone all the way. If they were going to do something stupid like having relationships with your companions, they should have allowed for same sex and inter-species relationships. They should have allowed you to clone yourself, male and female and have relationships with all your clones at the same time.

     

    Don't forget the robosexuals (Futurama reference).

    But I agree, it should be either all or nothing. Personally though, I don't think NPC romances belong aywhere in an MMO. It would avoid this can of worms, that's for sure.

  • aspekxaspekx Member UncommonPosts: 2,167

    Originally posted by Normike

    Originally posted by yodablaze

    Originally posted by britzban

    I am glad they are not going to not have same sex relationships in this game. Can you image two male bounty hunters holding hands?  wtf...ok, this is star wars and not real life people....homesexuality is not in star wars lore last I checked.  They should just take relationships out of the game in the first place.  This kind of crap encourages people to not develop relationships in real life and makes  no sense to me anyways why this has to be in a video game. 

    This was the funniest thing I read all day. Lol.

    Gay Wars...

    Male Jedi in mid drifts and stacks. I don't think that represents what Star Wars is at all. Let's be honest, when it comes to homosexuality, there isn't a real set standard or reasonable limit to how players would like to present themselves. Allowing this in an mmorpg opens Pandora's box to what should be allowed in the game. The gay community would make the game about sexuality and sexual expression and not about the Star Wars experience. This is something ANY gaming company should try to avoid as this could change the over all vision and direction of the game altogether. Who is to say that the gay community wouldn't expect more versatile "gay" expressions through the game through outfits, character customizations and character animations. A girl may prefer their character to walk like a guy and a guy would prefer to walk like a woman. Why wouldn't the gay community be outraged because ToR and ToR alone discriminates against homosexuals?

    Homosexuality is was and always will be more about "sexuality" and sexual expression. It is an adult topic because it's more about sex and sexual expression more than it is about personal preference. It's one thing to give players this option in a single player environment but in an mmorpg, it's all about making a point and sometimes ones need to express themselves could clash with the vision and direction of the game itself.

     

     

    ^Post is disturbing. If gay soldiers have been serving their country in Iraq and Afghanistan (and long before that even), and proudly hold their partners hands, then why can't two bounty hunters? Don't make your issue in imagining that into someone else's issue.

     

    Second, there is reasonable. And there is beyond reasonable. Just having same gender romance arcs is reasonable and fair. The argument that if you make things fair, then they will ask for much much more is ridiculous.

     

    Third, homosexuality is not more about sexuality any more than heterosexuality is. Do you really REALLY think gays have more sexual expression than straight people? Have you turned on a tv, watched youtube, gone out in the street? Proclaiming that being gay brings with it more sexual expression that being straight sounds rediculous even if you live under a rock, considering that most gay people tend to be modest in public so much so that you would probably think they were straight.

    right, because the LGBT community has no interest in such things as long term, loving relationships, or even love itself. all 'gays' think about is sex, never love. who hit you in the head with a frying pan when you were a kid??

    as for 'lore' SW is based in a galaxy, given the number of star systems, species, and the vast amount of human colonisation, you can bet that somewhere, in a galaxy far, far away there's a gay wookie, human, etc. hell we don't even know what some races do for love or if love even exists for them as a concept. would you banish love from the galaxy because we're not sure *all* species can feel it or even know what it is?

    "There are at least two kinds of games.
    One could be called finite, the other infinite.
    A finite game is played for the purpose of winning,
    an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play."
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  • Ralphie2449Ralphie2449 Member UncommonPosts: 577

    Originally posted by Senadina

    Seems like a LucasArts decision to me. DA and Mass Effect had the same-sex option with certain characters and it was no big deal. Guess there are no homosexuals in Lucas's universe.As a gay woman let me say...this bites.

    DA/ME same-sex romances were limited mostly to female site and why????

    Obviously because no company CARES about sexual orientation, they dont care 1 bit, they just want profit. And lesbians give the profit since str8 men love to see 2 women together just like anime fangirls love to see a male protagonist/male antagonist.

     

    But in games, women arent the main demographic to care... In da/me they gave the petty excuse that male shepard cant be gay cuz it isnt profitable enough.... i mean because story doesnt support a gay shepard...

    Swtor, where your character is supposed to be totally unaffacted by story and its only your choices... It feels wierd they removed it, are they rushing the game and dont have time for it

  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726

    What the heck is the big deal, it is a video game for heaven's sakes.  If you are so set on having a relationship, do it in real life.

    This drive to have political correctness in everything is silly.  I thinnk anyone complaining about this is silly and yes I have gay friends.

    It is a game, if you don't like the rules, don't play it.

  • BadSpock2BadSpock2 Member Posts: 96

    Really suprised MMORPG.com has let this thread go on this long...

    I guess it's because they started it?

     

    We have completely left the reason/rational behind this subject as it pertains to a video game and have gone completely overboard into the political/religious realm of crazy where no one will nor can ever "win" just argue till their fingers bleed from typing too many capital letters.

    End it MMORPG.com, end it now.

  • ZebladeZeblade Member UncommonPosts: 931

    lol its a game.  Its never going to happen so you wont see me in game with a sign saying "Jesus died for you"..

  • AvatarBladeAvatarBlade Member UncommonPosts: 757

    Originally posted by Wolfy2449

    Originally posted by Senadina

    Seems like a LucasArts decision to me. DA and Mass Effect had the same-sex option with certain characters and it was no big deal. Guess there are no homosexuals in Lucas's universe.As a gay woman let me say...this bites.

    DA/ME same-sex romances were limited mostly to female site and why????

    Obviously because no company CARES about sexual orientation, they dont care 1 bit, they just want profit. And lesbians give the profit since str8 men love to see 2 women together just like anime fangirls love to see a male protagonist/male antagonist.

     

    But in games, women arent the main demographic to care... In da/me they gave the petty excuse that male shepard cant be gay cuz it isnt profitable enough.... i mean because story doesnt support a gay shepard...

    Swtor, where your character is supposed to be totally unaffacted by story and its only your choices... It feels wierd they removed it, are they rushing the game and dont have time for it

    You do relise Zevran, in DA, was a male NPC. Think Anders in DA2 could enter a homosexual relationship also.

  • AlienShirtAlienShirt Member UncommonPosts: 621

    I am glad to know there will be no same-sex relationships in SWTOR even though BioWare has included them in their previous RPGs...many of which I have played. They may have actually planned on including them in SWTOR initially but after advice/pressure/what-ever-you-want-to-call-it from LucasArts and/or Electronic Arts chose not to. With that said I don't think this is an issue about sexuality at all but strictly about money. While the LGBT community is a very vocal group they are also a very small minority population-wise. BioWare/EA/LA would face a much bigger controversy including same-sex relationships then by not including them. There are many more individuals who would not buy or not allow their children to play SWTOR knowing there were same-sex relationships in-game then there would be (will be) among those upset that SWTOR will not have same-sex relationships.

     

    Like every other corporation these days the decision is/was motivated by money...and money alone.

  • CorehavenCorehaven Member UncommonPosts: 1,533

    Originally posted by BadSpock

    lol oh how I love MMO fans...

    "We want games that are new and different"

    1. Enter game with new features (companions, romance arcs with said companions)

    2. Outrage because they "did it wrong"

    This reminds me of the Star Trek online thread I saw once where players were annoyed because they didnt include the man skirt uniforms from the very early season of TNG.    I personally thought the entire issue was hilarious and said so, and got completely flamed.  People werent kidding.  They REALLY wanted those man skirt uniforms. 

     

    Regardless this thread will probably go on all week.  Of all the different things one could discuss regarding Swtor, THIS is what some people have chosen to focus on for the time being.  

     

    This isnt just Bioware.  Its the Star Wars franchise.  I imagine Bioware has to get an "okay" from the IP holders.  I doubt Lucas is going to be super keen on putting homosexuality into Star Wars. 

     

    This surprises people?  Seriously? 

     

  • Ralphie2449Ralphie2449 Member UncommonPosts: 577

    Originally posted by Master_M2K

    Hasn't this been known for a while. I mean the game has been pushing for a T for Teen rating, so I doubt they'd be able to get away with same sex relationships. I'd be more concerned if the M rated Mass Effect 3 didn't have same sex relationships.

    I wonder if the people that add the ratings are so dumb and change the rating because it has same sex romance while normal romance exists...

  • yodablazeyodablaze Member Posts: 234

    Originally posted by AlienShirt

    I am glad to know there will be no same-sex relationships in SWTOR even though BioWare has included them in their previous RPGs...many of which I have played. They may have actually planned on including them in SWTOR initially but after advice/pressure/what-ever-you-want-to-call-it from LucasArts and/or Electronic Arts chose not to. With that said I don't think this is an issue about sexuality at all but strictly about money. While the LGBT community is a very vocal group they are also a very small minority population-wise. BioWare/EA/LA would face a much bigger controversy including same-sex relationships then by not including them. There are many more individuals who would not buy or not allow their children to play SWTOR knowing there were same-sex relationships in-game then there would be (will be) among those upset that SWTOR will not have same-sex relationships.

     

    Like every other corporation these days the decision is/was motivated by money...and money alone.

     

    You are very right. Brave but honest observation. The majority wins... With the majority is the money.

  • UnlightUnlight Member Posts: 2,540

    Originally posted by Wolfy2449

    Originally posted by Master_M2K

    Hasn't this been known for a while. I mean the game has been pushing for a T for Teen rating, so I doubt they'd be able to get away with same sex relationships. I'd be more concerned if the M rated Mass Effect 3 didn't have same sex relationships.

    I wonder if the people that add the ratings are so dumb and change the rating because it has same sex romance while normal romance exists...

     I'd make book on it.

  • AvatarBladeAvatarBlade Member UncommonPosts: 757

    Originally posted by Wolfy2449

    Originally posted by Master_M2K

    Hasn't this been known for a while. I mean the game has been pushing for a T for Teen rating, so I doubt they'd be able to get away with same sex relationships. I'd be more concerned if the M rated Mass Effect 3 didn't have same sex relationships.

    I wonder if the people that add the ratings are so dumb and change the rating because it has same sex romance while normal romance exists...

    Has more to do with upseting the minority over the majority.

  • aspekxaspekx Member UncommonPosts: 2,167

    Originally posted by yodablaze

    Originally posted by AlienShirt

    I am glad to know there will be no same-sex relationships in SWTOR even though BioWare has included them in their previous RPGs...many of which I have played. They may have actually planned on including them in SWTOR initially but after advice/pressure/what-ever-you-want-to-call-it from LucasArts and/or Electronic Arts chose not to. With that said I don't think this is an issue about sexuality at all but strictly about money. While the LGBT community is a very vocal group they are also a very small minority population-wise. BioWare/EA/LA would face a much bigger controversy including same-sex relationships then by not including them. There are many more individuals who would not buy or not allow their children to play SWTOR knowing there were same-sex relationships in-game then there would be (will be) among those upset that SWTOR will not have same-sex relationships.

     

    Like every other corporation these days the decision is/was motivated by money...and money alone.

     

    You are very right. Brave but honest observation. The majority wins... With the majority is the money.

    +1 to insight for that last comment there.

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    One could be called finite, the other infinite.
    A finite game is played for the purpose of winning,
    an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play."
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  • CazNeergCazNeerg Member Posts: 2,198

     


    Originally posted by Unlight

     

    Yeah, pretty much my reaction too.  My question is what happens when they hit a romance plotline and they only have one avenue open to them -- the one that's hetero for their character, but not so for the player running it.  Is that a problem?

    You aren't in a romance.  Your character is.  The companions your character picks up in his/her journey happen to be straight, which explains why even if you think of your character as gay, there won't be any same sex romance happening.


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    Through passion, I gain strength.
    Through strength, I gain power.
    Through power, I gain victory.
    Through victory, my chains are broken.
    The Force shall free me.

  • sgreco1970sgreco1970 Member Posts: 2

    I cancelled my preorder.

    I will not play this game now. Devs are too cowardly even to respond to the players.

  • NormikeNormike Member Posts: 436

    Originally posted by yodablaze

    Originally posted by Normike

    Originally posted by yodablaze

    Originally posted by britzban

    I am glad they are not going to not have same sex relationships in this game. Can you image two male bounty hunters holding hands?  wtf...ok, this is star wars and not real life people....homesexuality is not in star wars lore last I checked.  They should just take relationships out of the game in the first place.  This kind of crap encourages people to not develop relationships in real life and makes  no sense to me anyways why this has to be in a video game. 

    This was the funniest thing I read all day. Lol.

    Gay Wars...

    Male Jedi in mid drifts and stacks. I don't think that represents what Star Wars is at all. Let's be honest, when it comes to homosexuality, there isn't a real set standard or reasonable limit to how players would like to present themselves. Allowing this in an mmorpg opens Pandora's box to what should be allowed in the game. The gay community would make the game about sexuality and sexual expression and not about the Star Wars experience. This is something ANY gaming company should try to avoid as this could change the over all vision and direction of the game altogether. Who is to say that the gay community wouldn't expect more versatile "gay" expressions through the game through outfits, character customizations and character animations. A girl may prefer their character to walk like a guy and a guy would prefer to walk like a woman. Why wouldn't the gay community be outraged because ToR and ToR alone discriminates against homosexuals?

    Homosexuality is was and always will be more about "sexuality" and sexual expression. It is an adult topic because it's more about sex and sexual expression more than it is about personal preference. It's one thing to give players this option in a single player environment but in an mmorpg, it's all about making a point and sometimes ones need to express themselves could clash with the vision and direction of the game itself.

     

     

    ^Post is disturbing. If gay soldiers have been serving their country in Iraq and Afghanistan (and long before that even), and proudly hold their partners hands, then why can't two bounty hunters? Don't make your issue in imagining that into someone else's issue.

     

    Second, there is reasonable. And there is beyond reasonable. Just having same gender romance arcs is reasonable and fair. The argument that if you make things fair, then they will ask for much much more is ridiculous.

     

    Third, homosexuality is not more about sexuality any more than heterosexuality is. Do you really REALLY think gays have more sexual expression than straight people? Have you turned on a tv, watched youtube, gone out in the street? Proclaiming that being gay brings with it more sexual expression that being straight sounds rediculous even if you live under a rock, considering that most gay people tend to be modest in public so much so that you would probably think they were straight.

     

    I do not live under a rock and I am being very realistic. I've worked in a gay environment and had gay friends. Some tend to be quite expressive with their dress code to the point that it often clashed with the professional expectations of the company.

    My point is valid. If you have a preference, so be it. If you believe "sexual" expression should NOT be in ToR, so be it. The point I made is a particular group of players making it about sexuality, thus ruining the game experience for others. So far, you see so many people so insecure about their sexual orientation they have to voice it on a discussion board. 

    To imply that I've been living under a rock is being a little unrealistic. Are you saying that there are gay women that do not prefer to look like men and gay men that do not prefer to look like women? This is a reality I believe you have closed your eyes to.

    If the creative direction of a game is to focus on the scifi fantasy and lore, to make it about "sex" and or "sexual expression" could ruin it for everybody being that some people would not be satisfied with the basic plot of "boy" meets "girl".

    Working in a gay environment, and being around gays and lesibans who are finally able to freely express themselves, when at other times in their lives they have typically been restricted doesn't mean you can then extrapolate that to how being gay is more "sexual" than being straight lol.

     

    Writers, scripters, artists, and producers have made a part of SWTOR about sexuality by including straight romance arcs. And most of them are probably straight. But you think gays and lesbians upset at the inequality are somehow more "sexual" by speaking up about it?

     

    That's the same attitude of the guy who sees Bob at his desk at work with a picture of his husband on his desk and says "These gays! Always pushing it in our faces." lol

     

    There are many straight women and straight men that don't conform to societal gender roles. They don't get a personally styled walk, why would gays or lesbians? Doesn't mean you have to script and animate every minor detail. Simply adding in a few same gender romance arcs along with the straight ones doesn't mean "Oh my gawd! We have to make the game as realistic as possible!"

     

    Character romance arcs in Bioware games are for the most part about the story. I think there was only a brief cutscene of kissing and caressing in underwear in Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect 2. I think it's the equivalent of The Sims 3 in that regard. The romance arcs reveal more about the characters involved in them through story than anything else. To reduce it to being about "sex" is a little naive.

     

    This is a game, games contain light sexuality. "This character is attracted to that character. blah, blah, blah" Video games always have had this "feature", and before that teen books had this "feature" and before that fables and fairy tales had it. It's not some gay plot...

  • IllyssiaIllyssia Member UncommonPosts: 1,507

    Originally posted by yodablaze

    Originally posted by AlienShirt

    I am glad to know there will be no same-sex relationships in SWTOR even though BioWare has included them in their previous RPGs...many of which I have played. They may have actually planned on including them in SWTOR initially but after advice/pressure/what-ever-you-want-to-call-it from LucasArts and/or Electronic Arts chose not to. With that said I don't think this is an issue about sexuality at all but strictly about money. While the LGBT community is a very vocal group they are also a very small minority population-wise. BioWare/EA/LA would face a much bigger controversy including same-sex relationships then by not including them. There are many more individuals who would not buy or not allow their children to play SWTOR knowing there were same-sex relationships in-game then there would be (will be) among those upset that SWTOR will not have same-sex relationships.

     

    Like every other corporation these days the decision is/was motivated by money...and money alone.

     

    You are very right. Brave but honest observation. The majority wins... With the majority is the money.

    Not so in the USA at the moment the top 1 % of wealthiest people have more money than the bottom 80 percent.

  • aspekxaspekx Member UncommonPosts: 2,167

    Originally posted by CazNeerg

     


    Originally posted by Unlight

     

    Yeah, pretty much my reaction too.  My question is what happens when they hit a romance plotline and they only have one avenue open to them -- the one that's hetero for their character, but not so for the player running it.  Is that a problem?

    You aren't in a romance.  Your character is.  The companions your character picks up in his/her journey happen to be straight, which explains why even if you think of your character as gay, there won't be any same sex romance happening.


    your presupposition is providing you with a logic loop:

     

    because all npcs are hetero

    therefore there should be no other options.

     

    but why are all the npcs hetero?

    maybe for the same reason there are no other choices, bigotry.

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    One could be called finite, the other infinite.
    A finite game is played for the purpose of winning,
    an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play."
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  • AvatarBladeAvatarBlade Member UncommonPosts: 757

    Originally posted by chelan

    Originally posted by AlienShirt

    I am glad to know there will be no same-sex relationships in SWTOR even though BioWare has included them in their previous RPGs...many of which I have played. They may have actually planned on including them in SWTOR initially but after advice/pressure/what-ever-you-want-to-call-it from LucasArts and/or Electronic Arts chose not to. With that said I don't think this is an issue about sexuality at all but strictly about money. While the LGBT community is a very vocal group they are also a very small minority population-wise. BioWare/EA/LA would face a much bigger controversy including same-sex relationships then by not including them. There are many more individuals who would not buy or not allow their children to play SWTOR knowing there were same-sex relationships in-game then there would be (will be) among those upset that SWTOR will not have same-sex relationships.

     

    Like every other corporation these days the decision is/was motivated by money...and money alone.

    speaking of minorities: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Race_and_ethnicity

     

    based on your logic and the numbers from the US census maybe we should be leaving out blacks, latinos, and aboriginal north americans from the character creation part as well. i mean...heck we all know those latinos are just illegal immigrants, right? dont want your children being brought up to think breaking the law is okay...oh wait they can play an evil Sith hell bent on fascist domination and/or chaotic destrucion of everything. nah that wont teach your kids a thing about morals.

    yes its about money. money and bigotry. and if mmo's had been here 60 years ago you would be arguing that it would be okay for there to be no interrackal couples ingame as well. b/c i mean, hey! they could lose money.

    nice. capitalist logic is the simplest and most destructive logic of all. just look at goldman sachs. if every decision can be justified because of money then we have lost our way not only in the gaming world but in the real world  as well.

    Money, ofcourse, is probably the factor here. But bigotry? Really? Beacuse, you know, other BW games have gay relationship options. If bigotry was a factor those games wouldn't have had this option. If you mean the general population, yes, the majority are intolerant to this subject.

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