Explotation or bug you be the judge.

pockets666

Here is the movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6woC5ff6y8k

This is the IRC log of the movie being shown..

The other movie linked is the Black Mage movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnJPESs7llc&feature=related

00:45 Trembler [TITLE: aqhackinggg VIEWS: 57 FAVES: 0 RATING: 0 RATERS: 0 UPLOADED: ] [TITLE: aqhackinggg VIEWS: 57 FAVES: 0 RATING: 0 RATERS: 0 UPLOADED: ] AQ Hacking, discord did not ban this guy. Discord said that visual evidence is not enough!

00:45 *** Trembler quit (Quit: nooooo)

00:45 [FOR]bjbarsted Lol

00:46 [WSX]Khaosia Lemius: Ill try it )

00:46 [FEAR]Astinos Me personally not a fan of Discord anylonger

00:46 [FOR]bjbarsted Does that mean when he logs next he will get banned lol

00:46 [SNDR]Umbrus Id actually go for that Lemius haha

00:47 [FEAR]Thirst does look like he didnt reset his client after a reboot.

00:47 Pendragon if anyone knows that trembler troll, tell him he's banned for a week.

00:52 [FOR]bjbarsted It looks diff if I don't rest my client

00:52 [FOR]bjbarsted They were moving around smoother than what I get

00:52 [FOR]bjbarsted But every one may be different

00:52 [FOR]bjbarsted Not sure

00:53 [FOR]bjbarsted If I don't reset my client people sorta just hang there till I move then they reset

00:54 [FOR]bjbarsted No comment for that vid

00:59 [ARGO]Lover wtf is that video?

00:59 *** Casilda is now known as Casilda|AFK

01:00 [FEAR]Astinos yeah wtf

01:00 [FEAR]Astinos is that video

01:00 [LM]Talwin Just ignore it, whatever it is.

01:00 [ARGO]Lover doesnt look like client restart problem

01:00 [ARGO]Lover how can u ignore that???

01:01 [SNDR]Umbrus Is it just me or are the creature spawns broken again?

01:01 Pendragon we don't know what's going on, we could speculate all day but we don't know

01:01 Pendragon and its not fair for him to have a convo w/ the GM and then decide that's not enough, come here and troll

01:01 Pendragon so what, we should go demand discord explain himself? no... just drop it.

01:01 [FOR]bjbarsted I can see why vids can't be used as evidence though or ells I could get a whole town banned lol

01:01 [ARGO]Lover no we should tell this to discord

01:02 [ARGO]Lover that looks a bit fishy u cant deny it

01:02 [FEAR]Astinos yeah

01:02 [FEAR]Astinos im with Lover

01:02 [FEAR]Astinos how can you ginore that

01:02 Pendragon can very easily deny it because I DON'T KNOW what's going on.

01:02 Pendragon I see pigs fly in this game, i've been killed by invisibles...

01:02 [FEAR]Astinos well

01:03 [FEAR]Astinos why isnt this fixed

01:03 Pendragon and we don't know what discord said or did either.

01:03 [FEAR]Astinos this is game breaking

01:03 Pendragon for all we know the guy was hacking and is already banned...

01:03 Pendragon we don't KNOW.

01:03 [FEAR]Astinos you should

01:03 Pendragon I've already re-forwarded that info back on to the current GMs, and I'm sure discord is going to have to talk about it AGAIN

01:03 Pendragon just because someone had to troll.

01:03 [FEAR]Astinos people can get angry about this

01:03 [FEAR]Astinos and further result into more qq and troll

01:04 [FEAR]Astinos fix this bug

01:04 [SNDR]Umbrus I know something...Ive made the bear pop around a certain town go ext...they no spawn no more...sad panda....

01:04 [ARGO]Lover Pendragon

01:05 [ARGO]Lover well u see that video that it doesnt look as legit as it could...

01:06 [ARGO]Lover Pendragon how u know it is trolling?

01:06 *** [AQ]Helayna joined #mortalonline

01:06 [ARGO]Lover to me it seems someone popped and told truth and is now being condemned as a troll..?

01:06 [FEAR]Astinos mmmm

01:07 +++ Pendragon set the channel to mode +m

01:07 Pendragon you don't know that he was telling the truth

01:07 Pendragon we don't know for sure what we're looking at

01:08 Pendragon we don't know what discord said or did

01:08 Pendragon or what he will say or do

01:08 Pendragon but just making the most cynical, fatalistic predictions on this and then conflating it to include moderator staff is not the way to go

01:09 Pendragon there's a very good chance the frapsing player was lagging... but who's to say

01:09 Pendragon but we don't know-- ask discord when he's on, but don't start a riot in here

01:10 +++ Pendragon set the channel to mode -m

01:11 [FOR]bjbarsted What's +m

01:12 [LM]Talwin Mute.

01:12 [LM]Talwin Moderated, actually, but it mutes everyone else.

01:12 [FOR]bjbarsted Oh

01:15 [FOR]bjbarsted Oh well I'm off to work

01:15 [FOR]bjbarsted No I mean a quick sleep b4 work

01:19 [FEAR]Astinos What i need to change on my launcher which affect the way armors and weps look like?

01:19 Bathory Cat nap before work after 8hrs of gaming, bj?

01:19 [ARGO]Lover hey

01:19 [ARGO]Lover is removing leaves legal..??

01:19 Bathory leaves?

01:20 [ARGO]Lover leafs

01:20 [ARGO]Lover but I think its typed as leaves

01:20 [ARGO]Lover leafs on trees

01:22 Bathory Irl?

01:22 [ARGO]Lover no

01:22 [ARGO]Lover in game

01:22 Bathory I don't think you CAN remove them o.o

01:22 [ARGO]Lover [TITLE: SansTitre VIEWS: 257 FAVES: 0 RATING: 5 RATERS: 2 UPLOADED: carrel11 ] [TITLE: SansTitre VIEWS: 257 FAVES: 0 RATING: 5 RATERS: 2 UPLOADED: carrel11 ]

01:22 [ARGO]Lover that video made me think

01:23 Casilda|AFK leaves

01:23 Casilda|AFK Jesus Jumping Christ. Leaves, not leafs.

01:23 Casilda|AFK He leafs through a book. <-- verb

01:23 Casilda|AFK There are leaves on the trees. <-- plural noun

01:23 [ARGO]Lover thats what I was thinking off that its leaves

01:25 *** [ARGO]Lover was kicked by mobot (168HR BAN linking to a hack-how-to video is clearly against the rules, an extension of this blackmage rage we've been dealing w/ all day and pure trolling that can't be hidden behind it being a matter of bringing it to SV's attention. You are gone for 2 weeks and if you evade it will be longer.)

Now we all now you can get hit by people far away but I did not think it was this far away.  There is a couple times he tries to get close but can not get up the hill, then runs off screen and the person dies.  It happens over and over the same way.  Check it and you tell me.  Also here is a log from IRC when it was posted.

pockets666

opps

aamupala86

Biggest problem is that StarVault lacks so lot of money that they are enforced to deal with exploiters of the biggest guild(s) like AQ.

They just can't afford to ban a guy from AQ because last time this happened, they had to unban him because whole AQ started making posts about them quiting the game. So this guy got unbanned and AQ lives happily ever after again, hacking and exploiting freely, while yelling out loud how much skill they do have.

nortoni

Owning SV without being investors is a fine skill to have in a PK game  

pockets666

AQ has on a couple occasions used the "We will all quit unless" card a couple of times.  Hell you can not hate on them for it I would do it. 

This is no different than any big guild or alliance in the history of MO.  AI tried to use that card when we took their keep.  Prom Alliance used it on a couple occasions.  It is not the players fault the Devs will capitulate to demands in fear of losing subs.

 

nortoni

Originally posted by pockets666

AQ has on a couple occasions used the "We will all quit unless" card a couple of times.  Hell you can not hate on them for it I would do it. 

This is no different than any big guild or alliance in the history of MO.  AI tried to use that card when we took their keep.  Prom Alliance used it on a couple occasions.  It is not the players fault the Devs will capitulate to demands in fear of losing subs.

 

Agreed  

SHOE788

Originally posted by pockets666

01:25 *** [ARGO]Lover was kicked by mobot (168HR BAN linking to a hack-how-to video is clearly against the rules, an extension of this blackmage rage we've been dealing w/ all day and pure trolling that can't be hidden behind it being a matter of bringing it to SV's attention. You are gone for 2 weeks and if you evade it will be longer.)

No

HanoverZ

Originally posted by aamupala86

Biggest problem is that StarVault lacks so lot of money that they are enforced to deal with exploiters of the biggest guild(s) like AQ.

They just can't afford to ban a guy from AQ because last time this happened, they had to unban him because whole AQ started making posts about them quiting the game. So this guy got unbanned and AQ lives happily ever after again, hacking and exploiting freely, while yelling out loud how much skill they do have.

 

Here's a thought, Starvault could FIX the game?  Saying the problem is SV cant afford to ban cheaters is ridiculous.

 

 

Oh...Welcome to MMORPG.com

deathshroud

basically the guy logged in to trade a horse after a server crash he forgot to restart his client, failure on svs part and failure on hurdurs part for not restarting it.

 

its an issue sv really need to sort like many other issues. It isnt a hack, it can hardly be called an exploit. esentially what hurdur would see is a naked guy just standing there then disapearing,esentially it would result in butchering being able to attack hurdur at extreme range without moving and hurdur attacking butchery from a long way off.

deathshroud

Originally posted by aamupala86

Biggest problem is that StarVault lacks so lot of money that they are enforced to deal with exploiters of the biggest guild(s) like AQ.

They just can't afford to ban a guy from AQ because last time this happened, they had to unban him because whole AQ started making posts about them quiting the game. So this guy got unbanned and AQ lives happily ever after again, hacking and exploiting freely, while yelling out loud how much skill they do have.

 if your refering to cyde he was never banned from MO, his forum acconut was banned and he rage quit mo. also its obvious that hurdur did not restart his client after a server crash, you know this pala since you palyed the game long enough. A failure on sv's part of course.

so please keep your conspiracy theories to yourself.

 

also aq have never threatened to quit the game from what i recal (since i am in aq). So please stop posting lies.

 

only 2 people in aq from my memory were banned from mo and that was for quick turning on a horse.

pockets666

Originally posted by deathshroud

Originally posted by aamupala86

Biggest problem is that StarVault lacks so lot of money that they are enforced to deal with exploiters of the biggest guild(s) like AQ.

They just can't afford to ban a guy from AQ because last time this happened, they had to unban him because whole AQ started making posts about them quiting the game. So this guy got unbanned and AQ lives happily ever after again, hacking and exploiting freely, while yelling out loud how much skill they do have.

 if your refering to cyde he was never banned from MO, his forum acconut was banned and he rage quit mo. also its obvious that hurdur did not restart his client after a server crash, you know this pala since you palyed the game long enough. A failure on sv's part of course.

so please keep your conspiracy theories to yourself.

 

also aq have never threatened to quit the game from what i recal (since i am in aq). So please stop posting lies.

Come on DS you know that is not true about 2 months before DAWN there was some GM shady business at some palisades and AQ threatened to quit.  I am actually looking in the forums to see if the thread is still there.  ask your boys

deathshroud

ok so i asked them they said a long time ago, aq destroyed a pallisade gate, the gm respawned it and made it yellow preventing aq from sieging it they thratened to quit over it. Im guessing your refering to that? imo that is worthy of complaining over. But since i have been with the guild i have never heard of aq threatening to quit, been with the guild a long time.

pockets666

Originally posted by deathshroud

ok so i asked them they said a long time ago, aq destroyed a pallisade gate, the gm respawned it and made it yellow preventing aq from sieging it they thratened to quit over it. Im guessing your refering to that? imo that is worthy of complaining over. But since i have been with the guild i have never heard of aq threatening to quit, been with the guild a long time.

BINGO!  Yeah I am not complaining about guilds threatening to quit.  I was just pointing out AQ has done it as well as most bigger guilds in MO.  Hell use it if it works.  It worked for guilds in the past. 

deathshroud

when gms make bad decisions that go against the communities wishes i think the players have a right to protest, this is compeltely different to players demanding unbans to members with quiting threats that was previously talked about. If a player is banned for hacking no amonut of complaining should get them unbanned.

pockets666

Originally posted by deathshroud

when gms make bad decisions that go against the communities wishes i think the players have a right to protest, this is compeltely different to players demanding unbans to members with quiting threats that was previously talked about. If a player is banned for hacking no amonut of complaining should get them unbanned.

You are right all you need to do is say you are going to be a good little multiple account payer and you get unbanned.   Getting banned in MO for exploits is serious buisness.

deathshroud

i dont agree to a perma ban for exploits, i do however think month bans or 3 week bans are acceptable giving the current state of the game, hence why people arent perma banned. Hacking however then yea perma ban and whislt i know some palyers were unbanned when they previously were banned perma from the game eq russian, i hope that really was the wakeup call the devs and gms needed.

 

Since then there hasnt been any real issues with bans or players getting unbanned who shouldnt have. Until theres an actual fire im not gonig to start shouting fire.

 

hackers and exploiters in mo are quite easily caught due to the high number of people who fraps in mo, eg you frapsing hurrdurr, however without experince of playing the game certain issues with the game like not restarting your client mgiht look like an exploit or hack hwen it is in most cases inocent, however aq being experienced have caught and had people temp banned over exploits multiple times.

 

so i commend you on your work pockets, however it was not an exploit or a hack, but this is the sort of actions the community take in order to rid the game of guilds like argo. Members of aq recently talked to the devs over the video and were pleased to here that the issue is gonig to be fixed quite soon which is great for all those who play mo so your work certainly wasnt in vein.

Slapshot1188

 Members of aq recently talked to the devs over the video and were pleased to here that the issue is gonig to be fixed quite soon which is great for all those who play mo so your work certainly wasnt in vein.

 Just for clarification... is that "quite soon" before or after Tindrem, Magic Schools, completed Fishing, functioning AI, fixed prediction system, Failed, Invisible Players, Taverns, working/fun siege system/territory control, or new UI....?

Catchmeifu

Originally posted by deathshroud

basically the guy logged in to trade a horse after a server crash he forgot to restart his client, failure on svs part and failure on hurdurs part for not restarting it.

 

its an issue sv really need to sort like many other issues. It isnt a hack, it can hardly be called an exploit. esentially what hurdur would see is a naked guy just standing there then disapearing,esentially it would result in butchering being able to attack hurdur at extreme range without moving and hurdur attacking butchery from a long way off.

How come when this happens to every one else they port when moving but when Darren does it he has perfect movement?

 

Yeah but it goes both ways on the dodgy movement.

 

So whats going on?

 

deathshroud

slapshot i honestly cant answer that question for you i suggest you go and ask it over on the MO forums or private message a dev directly, but i do not ever recal them saying tindrem is quite soon or even soon.

 

catchmeifu

no because hurrdurr did not restart his client he will see people porting and remaining stationary for short amonuts of time, since pockets restarted his client he see everyone were they actually are including hurrdurr. We tested this, whilst in gk 1 player did not restart his client (beleive it was scarecrovv) whilst someone else walked passed scarecrovv ran over to were he could see him on his screen and started pushing him, scarecrovv did not appear to be lagging or porting to us but on our screen he was stood pushing nothing and the person who ran passed on our screen was really far away getting pushed. Whilst on his screen he seen the victim stood still at the spot he was pushing.

 

whilst this can in some situations be an advantage in pvp, it can also quite eaisly be a disadvantage, for example the first time i encountered this bug i was in kranesh, i encountered a group of rus who quickly chased me and a few of my guild up the back ramp, however on my screen they all looked frozen and proting towards me every now and then becasue i didnt restart my client. I then started taknig damage from people no where near me and died. I imediatly thought hacks or osmething but the reality was i hadnt restarted my client and on there screen they could see me normally but on mine they were porting about and remaining stationary.

Catchmeifu

Originally posted by deathshroud

slapshot i honestly cant answer that question for you i suggest you go and ask it over on the MO forums or private message a dev directly, but i do not ever recal them saying tindrem is quite soon or even soon.

 

catchmeifu

no because hurrdurr did not restart his client he will see people porting and remaining stationary for short amonuts of time, since pockets restarted his client he see everyone were they actually are including hurrdurr. We tested this, whilst in gk 1 player did not restart his client (beleive it was scarecrovv) whilst someone else walked passed scarecrovv ran over to were he could see him on his screen and started pushing him, scarecrovv did not appear to be lagging or porting to us but on our screen he was stood pushing nothing and the person who ran passed on our screen was really far away getting pushed. Whilst on his screen he seen the victim stood still at the spot he was pushing.

Ok if thats the case fair enough, just the expirences i have had is that it affected your movement even on a client that had been restarted. Maybe they half fixed it.

deathshroud

maybe all thoguh its more likely both of you didnt restart your client. feel free to test it out though.

aamupala86

That is not the restart bug, the restart bug is far from that, it doesn't even look like that. When  you forget to restart your client after a server reboot, you see players but their positions are not updating before they stop. And when they do, they will be updated to the new position and looking like if they are stuck, whilst this is happening there is no smooth movement at all, but I notice smooth movement in that video when Butchering is in mercymode HurrKurr runs pretty smoothly there to execute him. Deathshroud how funny of you to use "played long enough to know" -card and yet you are trying to referrer this to a completely different thing. This is not restartclient bug, and doesn't even look like it.

HanoverZ

Originally posted by deathshroud

maybe all thoguh its more likely both of you didnt restart your client. feel free to test it out though.

You shouldnt have to restart the client every hour

deathshroud

Originally posted by aamupala86

That is not the restart bug, the restart bug is far from that, it doesn't even look like that. When  you forget to restart your client after a server reboot, you see players but their positions are not updating before they stop. And when they do, they will be updated to the new position and looking like if they are stuck, whilst this is happening there is no smooth movement at all, but I notice smooth movement in that video when Butchering is in mercymode HurrKurr runs pretty smoothly there to execute him. Deathshroud how funny of you to use "played long enough to know" -card and yet you are trying to referrer this to a completely different thing. This is not restartclient bug, and doesn't even look like it.

 No pala, that is exactly what it looks like, dont believe me test it ingame yourself. After a server restart you restart your client and get a friend to not restart his client. Now walk around and let your friend hit you and what you will see is exactly what butchering is seeing.

 

like hanover says, you shouldnt have to restart you client but currently in MO you really have to luckily thanks to pockets this will be fixed sooner rather than later. I hope he keeps frapsing in the attempts of catching people exploiting/hacking (for real this time) helping to rid MO of them, not that its that common anymore but im sure it still happens.

BizkitNL

I'm starting to think that anyone still playing MO is a big fan of drama.

deathshroud

well MO has plenty of drama, why not get involved in it