I have to admit their RMT decision completely took me by surprise, because as we all know Blizzard will pursue pvp and a breakthrough into the e-sports and professional gaming with D3 as they do with most of their games so far. They have already revealed some forms of pvp including the infamous arena; I'm not sure how they are going to handle it and/or change it but it could probably be very catastrophic and make me lose all the respect I had for them.
Yet, Blizzard on the other hand WILL have the following "features" for their Diablo III release:
-NO LAN PLAY
-RETAILS FOR $50-60 (betting on $60)
-NOT MODDABLE
-ONLINE PLAY ONLY (single player was removed)
-REAL $$ Auction Houses
-Dungeons that are NOT random (e.g: each area has MAYBE 2-3 different varients, that is NOT random).
-An inventory & item system taken directly from WoW
So, YEA.....totally depressed now, because the Diablo franchise has been shat all over :'(
1. Only a handful of people do LANs anymore. This is a waste of time and would negate the fact that Blizzard is trying to create cohesive, cheat-free experience.
2. Yes, games for $50-$60 now. Adjusting for inflation, they cost around the same amount in the 90s. Boohoo.
3. Not being moddable is in line with the idea of a cohesive, cheat-free experience.
4. There is a huge single-player campaign. The only thing removed was the ability to play the single-player campaign offline. GOOD! This is the best possible way to do away with cheaters.
5. If you don't like the real money AH, then don't use it.
6. Blizzard has explictly stated that the dungeons are totally randomized, just like Diablo II.
7. Who cares if they took good idea from WoW?
In other words, all of your points are either lies or nonsense.
1) Diablo 3 (and any Blizzard game) will outsell any/ever game in existance... (or damn close to it as proven time and time again)
2) Real Money AH? The endless complaints on this are a waste of everyones time. The Real Money AH is 100% optional. You can purchase and sell items with REAL money or with fake money. Your choice.
3) No single player? If you want to play with yourself get a bottle of lotion. If you don't have reliable interent, move out of the 3rd world? I think Blizzard is perfectly safe expecting that a huge majority of players are capable of playing online at all times.
Why online? A MASSIVE issue in Diablo 3 was all the cheating/hacking and having online only play will aloow them to monitor and control that.
I for one would LOVE a Diablo game where I can work hard to earn gear and know that some tool doesn't have that same gear because he was running an offline bot or some other garbage.
No reason to mod the game. Diablo is simple enough it just works with what they provide you. Go play Minecraft if you want to fully customize your game.
4) Where is the "fact" you claim about random dungeons (or lack of). Diablo 2 had lots of random-ness in the dungeon generation and I fully expect Diablo 3 to have the same. I've seen no proof that each area will only have 2-3 options.
5) Inventory and Item system taken from the most successful and massive Role Playing Game of all time? With 7+ years of development, research, and testing? I'll take it! WoW was a great game.
NOW, if they CLONE wow completely in every aspect and I feel like i'm playing a wow copy. I might be upset. But i'll still probably enjoy it for a week or two and thats damn good return for 60 dollars.
Name one other thing in life that costs you less than 60 dollars and provides as much entertainment? Very few do.
fallen victim says you but they will sell a bazillion copies of everything they put out. What they do works for them and works for their fans.
Lady Gaga and Brittney sells a bazillion albums as well...
I bought the other 2 Diablo games but I wont buy this one, I used to be a fan of the IP but I there is a limit to my patience.
The question is if other D fans will think the same turning the game into a failure or if most fans actually like this.
Time will tell, but no matter how large and popular a company is they can still fail with a game.
'fans' of blizzard could care less about the issues this post is based on. They buy everything Blizzard makes.
Being a fan in the past doesnt make you a fan now. Some supposed fans of Blizzard left their fandom behind in 2004.
They have always had shallow gameplay and have been overhyped. No difference here. For every game they make in every genre they make them in there are other games within those genres that do it better. Always has been always will be.
So again...for their 'fans' it works for them.
The problem is that the "issues" this post is based on are either not a big deal (LAN parties lol) or lies (dungeons not being random).
If you think that Starcraft, easily one of the top three most played games ever made, as well as the largest e-sport game ever made by far, is shallow, then I simply don't think you are interested in the difference between fact and fiction.
There also aren't any better WoW-style MMOs than WoW. Period. You can cry all day about how this game or that game is better than WoW, but the reality is that the actual style of play that WoW encapsulates is not done better by any other game. It is by FAR and without question the best at what it does. Personally, I'm not a fan of what it does because I'm not into that style of play, but I'm not arrogant, foolish, or pretentious enough to think that that means anything objectively.
I'm sorry but Torchlight was mediocre at best...there was really nothing special about it. Diablo 3 on the other hand...looks f'***ing crazy good! Skyrim does also. I want to play them both equally as much. If I'm a fanboy, it's a fanboy of GOOD games and nothing else.
Some of the arguments people use to defend their God “favorite game developer” are really funny!
Originally posted by Wiezard
Sorry bud but intelligent people don't need spell check
Apparently according to the logic on this forum intelligent people are good at everything! So since Einstein sucked at regular math that must mean he was not intelligent after all he was not good at everything. Since bad spelling makes you not intelligent then by your own logic that means being bad at basic math would mean you are not intelligent. Great job guys you just used logic to make one of the smartest men that ever lived stupid to defend a video game. I applaud your zealous devotion to gaming!
I have no idea why you quoted my post considering it was supposed to be humorus and not serious. However, if one insists on insulting others by referring to them as 'dumb' in every single post, he/she should make sure to atleast construct a single sentence properly and not sound dumb. You got to look intelligent before you call others dumb and stupid.
One may or may not agree with others and their will tp spend their disposable income but insulting them is uncalled for and that is what he was doing.
Oh and you need to chill, everytime you post i think of 'angry german kid'.
I'm sorry but Torchlight was mediocre at best...there was really nothing special about it. Diablo 3 on the other hand...looks f'***ing crazy good! Skyrim does also. I want to play them both equally as much. If I'm a fanboy, it's a fanboy of GOOD games and nothing else.
Yeah your alone on declaring Torchlight mediocre. Just about everybody whose played that game all the way through has loved it. Not to mention it's gotten widespread good ratings. And Diablo 3 doesn't look all that great really. Too many features that TL2 will have and D3 won't. Thats a huge negative on D3, and its 60 isntead of 20. TL2 wins here.
I'm sorry but Torchlight was mediocre at best...there was really nothing special about it. Diablo 3 on the other hand...looks f'***ing crazy good! Skyrim does also. I want to play them both equally as much. If I'm a fanboy, it's a fanboy of GOOD games and nothing else.
Yeah your alone on declaring Torchlight mediocre. Just about everybody whose played that game all the way through has loved it. Not to mention it's gotten widespread good ratings. And Diablo 3 doesn't look all that great really. Too many features that TL2 will have and D3 won't. Thats a huge negative on D3, and its 60 isntead of 20. TL2 wins here.
Here is one feature Diablo 3 has that TL2 doesn't: Online-only play that makes it nearly impossible to cheat. End of debate.
TL2 doesn't have any special features that D3 doesn't that the vast majority of people care about. I want a fun, balanced game with diverse and focused gameplay. Like most Blizzard games, D3 will most likely provide this. Feature lists do not make a game good.
fallen victim says you but they will sell a bazillion copies of everything they put out. What they do works for them and works for their fans.
Lady Gaga and Brittney sells a bazillion albums as well...
I bought the other 2 Diablo games but I wont buy this one, I used to be a fan of the IP but I there is a limit to my patience.
The question is if other D fans will think the same turning the game into a failure or if most fans actually like this.
Time will tell, but no matter how large and popular a company is they can still fail with a game.
'fans' of blizzard could care less about the issues this post is based on. They buy everything Blizzard makes.
Being a fan in the past doesnt make you a fan now. Some supposed fans of Blizzard left their fandom behind in 2004.
They have always had shallow gameplay and have been overhyped. No difference here. For every game they make in every genre they make them in there are other games within those genres that do it better. Always has been always will be.
So again...for their 'fans' it works for them.
You're kidding, right? Every game they make is.......shallow?
You think you're too cool for gaming, right? Yeah.
1) Diablo 3 (and any Blizzard game) will outsell any/ever game in existance... (or damn close to it as proven time and time again)
2) Real Money AH? The endless complaints on this are a waste of everyones time. The Real Money AH is 100% optional. You can purchase and sell items with REAL money or with fake money. Your choice.
3) No single player? If you want to play with yourself get a bottle of lotion. If you don't have reliable interent, move out of the 3rd world? I think Blizzard is perfectly safe expecting that a huge majority of players are capable of playing online at all times.
Why online? A MASSIVE issue in Diablo 3 was all the cheating/hacking and having online only play will aloow them to monitor and control that.
I for one would LOVE a Diablo game where I can work hard to earn gear and know that some tool doesn't have that same gear because he was running an offline bot or some other garbage.
No reason to mod the game. Diablo is simple enough it just works with what they provide you. Go play Minecraft if you want to fully customize your game.
4) Where is the "fact" you claim about random dungeons (or lack of). Diablo 2 had lots of random-ness in the dungeon generation and I fully expect Diablo 3 to have the same. I've seen no proof that each area will only have 2-3 options.
5) Inventory and Item system taken from the most successful and massive Role Playing Game of all time? With 7+ years of development, research, and testing? I'll take it! WoW was a great game.
NOW, if they CLONE wow completely in every aspect and I feel like i'm playing a wow copy. I might be upset. But i'll still probably enjoy it for a week or two and thats damn good return for 60 dollars.
Name one other thing in life that costs you less than 60 dollars and provides as much entertainment? Very few do.
Are you going to be putting your rare drops on the in-game auction house to sell for virtual gold, or will you try to make a real buck off it? Right. So will everyone else. So the 'option' you're referring to is actually the option to trade or not to trade for rare gear because there will really only be one way to obtain it, and that's to buy through the RMT.
"I for one would LOVE a Diablo game where I can work hard to earn gear and know that some tool doesn't have that same gear because he was running an offline bot or some other garbage."
Yeah, now the tools can just buy their gear with a few mouse clicks and with Blizzard's blessing. I'd say that's a hell of a lot more effiicient than running bots. Still smells like garbage to me though.
1) Diablo 3 (and any Blizzard game) will outsell any/ever game in existance... (or damn close to it as proven time and time again)
2) Real Money AH? The endless complaints on this are a waste of everyones time. The Real Money AH is 100% optional. You can purchase and sell items with REAL money or with fake money. Your choice.
3) No single player? If you want to play with yourself get a bottle of lotion. If you don't have reliable interent, move out of the 3rd world? I think Blizzard is perfectly safe expecting that a huge majority of players are capable of playing online at all times.
Why online? A MASSIVE issue in Diablo 3 was all the cheating/hacking and having online only play will aloow them to monitor and control that.
I for one would LOVE a Diablo game where I can work hard to earn gear and know that some tool doesn't have that same gear because he was running an offline bot or some other garbage.
No reason to mod the game. Diablo is simple enough it just works with what they provide you. Go play Minecraft if you want to fully customize your game.
4) Where is the "fact" you claim about random dungeons (or lack of). Diablo 2 had lots of random-ness in the dungeon generation and I fully expect Diablo 3 to have the same. I've seen no proof that each area will only have 2-3 options.
5) Inventory and Item system taken from the most successful and massive Role Playing Game of all time? With 7+ years of development, research, and testing? I'll take it! WoW was a great game.
NOW, if they CLONE wow completely in every aspect and I feel like i'm playing a wow copy. I might be upset. But i'll still probably enjoy it for a week or two and thats damn good return for 60 dollars.
Name one other thing in life that costs you less than 60 dollars and provides as much entertainment? Very few do.
Are you going to be putting your rare drops on the in-game auction house to sell for virtual gold, or will you try to make a real buck off it? Right. So will everyone else. So the 'option' you're referring to is actually the option to trade or not to trade for rare gear because there will really only be one way to obtain it, and that's to buy through the RMT.
You do realize that gold itself can be sold on the RMAH? So gold is far from worthless. This makes it to where it doesn't really matter which Auction House the items end up on, as long as you are not just interested in selling everything and buying nothing.
Its annpoying hearing people complain about spending money on virtual items. Im 100% sure the people that are against it, are just kids that dont have money to invest in a game AND don't want to put in the time for it unless other people have to. But wouldn't care at all if they were given things that other people would have to pay or play for. After running serveral websites with 80% of the users under 17 years old, I've learned that most kids seem to have a high sense of self entitlement and have very very poor logic.
the RMT lets you buy with gold or real money and it lets players sell. Thats pretty cool.
Quite honestly I think if companies like Blizz don't like 3rd parties selling gold in their games, they should just do it themselves and cut out the ocmpetition or it's going to keep happening, probably why it seems they are looking in this direction with D3.
i challenge Runic Games to make a game MORE successful than a Blizzard game. Oh wait, not going to happen.
torchlight is like letting a kindergarten class develop a game for you. it's cute and cuddly and fun and you get some entertainment and laughs out of it for about 5 minutes, then you move on because you've lost interest.
blizzard is employing world-class artists and game designers to make a game that is a bloody, visceral, action-packed adventure MASTERPIECE that will outsell torchlight thousands of times over because it is a QUALITY GAME.
and all this "blizzard is nothing compared to what it once was" is a bunch of bullcrap.
blizzard games are more polished and more popular than pretty much every other pc game on the market. just because they dont cater to the .01% of the gaming market and try new things like RMAH and online-only play doesn't make them greedy, or make their games any less fun. what this DOES do is make the game more secure, and generally more enjoyable due to lack of 3rd party item selling spam, dupes and hacks that plagued the d2 universe.
i challenge Runic Games to make a game MORE successful than a Blizzard game. Oh wait, not going to happen.
torchlight is like letting a kindergarten class develop a game for you. it's cute and cuddly and fun and you get some entertainment and laughs out of it for about 5 minutes, then you move on because you've lost interest.
blizzard is employing world-class artists and game designers to make a game that is a bloody, visceral, action-packed adventure MASTERPIECE that will outsell torchlight thousands of times over because it is a QUALITY GAME.
and all this "blizzard is nothing compared to what it once was" is a bunch of bullcrap.
blizzard games are more polished and more popular than pretty much every other pc game on the market. just because they dont cater to the .01% of the gaming market and try new things like RMAH and online-only play doesn't make them greedy, or make their games any less fun. what this DOES do is make the game more secure, and generally more enjoyable due to lack of 3rd party item selling spam, dupes and hacks that plagued the d2 universe.
You do realise that the guy who is in charge of Runic Games, the main driving force of Torchligh1&2 direction was also the lead designer for Diablo I and Diablo II right?7
He made diablo I and II a huge success, and developed Torchlight 1 on a really low budget managing to turn many ppls head with it.
They even got microsoft to put it on Xbox Live Arcade, so I think your assumptions are quite invalid.
Torchlight 2 will be a good game, it will have everything that made other Hack & Slash games sucessful, and is designed by the main driving force from Diablo I and II.
i challenge Runic Games to make a game MORE successful than a Blizzard game. Oh wait, not going to happen.
torchlight is like letting a kindergarten class develop a game for you. it's cute and cuddly and fun and you get some entertainment and laughs out of it for about 5 minutes, then you move on because you've lost interest.
blizzard is employing world-class artists and game designers to make a game that is a bloody, visceral, action-packed adventure MASTERPIECE that will outsell torchlight thousands of times over because it is a QUALITY GAME.
and all this "blizzard is nothing compared to what it once was" is a bunch of bullcrap.
blizzard games are more polished and more popular than pretty much every other pc game on the market. just because they dont cater to the .01% of the gaming market and try new things like RMAH and online-only play doesn't make them greedy, or make their games any less fun. what this DOES do is make the game more secure, and generally more enjoyable due to lack of 3rd party item selling spam, dupes and hacks that plagued the d2 universe.
You do realise that the game who is in charge of Runic Games, the main driving force of Torchligh1&2 direction was also the lead designer for Diablo I and Diablo II right?
you do realize that that man who is in charge left blizzard to make a copy of a game he already made with a new company, gave it some graphical polish and sold the same amount of copies over the course of what, 2 years? that diablo 2 sold in 2 weeks.
torchlight 2 will not be worth $20. diablo 3 will be worth every single penny of the $60 i am going to pay for it.
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Probably, but it could hurt their name and lessen the sale of future games, particularly Diablo 4.
Gamers are rather traditional and if they feel let down by a company they might boycot it for eternity.
Don't underestimate nerdrage.
I still expect Blizz to fold on the entire thing.
I have to admit their RMT decision completely took me by surprise, because as we all know Blizzard will pursue pvp and a breakthrough into the e-sports and professional gaming with D3 as they do with most of their games so far. They have already revealed some forms of pvp including the infamous arena; I'm not sure how they are going to handle it and/or change it but it could probably be very catastrophic and make me lose all the respect I had for them.
1. Only a handful of people do LANs anymore. This is a waste of time and would negate the fact that Blizzard is trying to create cohesive, cheat-free experience.
2. Yes, games for $50-$60 now. Adjusting for inflation, they cost around the same amount in the 90s. Boohoo.
3. Not being moddable is in line with the idea of a cohesive, cheat-free experience.
4. There is a huge single-player campaign. The only thing removed was the ability to play the single-player campaign offline. GOOD! This is the best possible way to do away with cheaters.
5. If you don't like the real money AH, then don't use it.
6. Blizzard has explictly stated that the dungeons are totally randomized, just like Diablo II.
7. Who cares if they took good idea from WoW?
In other words, all of your points are either lies or nonsense.
Worthless troll posts...
1) Diablo 3 (and any Blizzard game) will outsell any/ever game in existance... (or damn close to it as proven time and time again)
2) Real Money AH? The endless complaints on this are a waste of everyones time. The Real Money AH is 100% optional. You can purchase and sell items with REAL money or with fake money. Your choice.
3) No single player? If you want to play with yourself get a bottle of lotion. If you don't have reliable interent, move out of the 3rd world? I think Blizzard is perfectly safe expecting that a huge majority of players are capable of playing online at all times.
Why online? A MASSIVE issue in Diablo 3 was all the cheating/hacking and having online only play will aloow them to monitor and control that.
I for one would LOVE a Diablo game where I can work hard to earn gear and know that some tool doesn't have that same gear because he was running an offline bot or some other garbage.
No reason to mod the game. Diablo is simple enough it just works with what they provide you. Go play Minecraft if you want to fully customize your game.
4) Where is the "fact" you claim about random dungeons (or lack of). Diablo 2 had lots of random-ness in the dungeon generation and I fully expect Diablo 3 to have the same. I've seen no proof that each area will only have 2-3 options.
5) Inventory and Item system taken from the most successful and massive Role Playing Game of all time? With 7+ years of development, research, and testing? I'll take it! WoW was a great game.
NOW, if they CLONE wow completely in every aspect and I feel like i'm playing a wow copy. I might be upset. But i'll still probably enjoy it for a week or two and thats damn good return for 60 dollars.
Name one other thing in life that costs you less than 60 dollars and provides as much entertainment? Very few do.
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The problem is that the "issues" this post is based on are either not a big deal (LAN parties lol) or lies (dungeons not being random).
If you think that Starcraft, easily one of the top three most played games ever made, as well as the largest e-sport game ever made by far, is shallow, then I simply don't think you are interested in the difference between fact and fiction.
There also aren't any better WoW-style MMOs than WoW. Period. You can cry all day about how this game or that game is better than WoW, but the reality is that the actual style of play that WoW encapsulates is not done better by any other game. It is by FAR and without question the best at what it does. Personally, I'm not a fan of what it does because I'm not into that style of play, but I'm not arrogant, foolish, or pretentious enough to think that that means anything objectively.
I'm sorry but Torchlight was mediocre at best...there was really nothing special about it. Diablo 3 on the other hand...looks f'***ing crazy good! Skyrim does also. I want to play them both equally as much. If I'm a fanboy, it's a fanboy of GOOD games and nothing else.
Fixed that for ya.
Yeah your alone on declaring Torchlight mediocre. Just about everybody whose played that game all the way through has loved it. Not to mention it's gotten widespread good ratings. And Diablo 3 doesn't look all that great really. Too many features that TL2 will have and D3 won't. Thats a huge negative on D3, and its 60 isntead of 20. TL2 wins here.
Here is one feature Diablo 3 has that TL2 doesn't: Online-only play that makes it nearly impossible to cheat. End of debate.
TL2 doesn't have any special features that D3 doesn't that the vast majority of people care about. I want a fun, balanced game with diverse and focused gameplay. Like most Blizzard games, D3 will most likely provide this. Feature lists do not make a game good.
wait..what..they removed single player? is this true? link please!
I'm not getting this piece of shit if there's no single player.
wtf
You're kidding, right? Every game they make is.......shallow?
You think you're too cool for gaming, right? Yeah.
It's there, but you need to be online for it.
Are you going to be putting your rare drops on the in-game auction house to sell for virtual gold, or will you try to make a real buck off it? Right. So will everyone else. So the 'option' you're referring to is actually the option to trade or not to trade for rare gear because there will really only be one way to obtain it, and that's to buy through the RMT.
"I for one would LOVE a Diablo game where I can work hard to earn gear and know that some tool doesn't have that same gear because he was running an offline bot or some other garbage."
Yeah, now the tools can just buy their gear with a few mouse clicks and with Blizzard's blessing. I'd say that's a hell of a lot more effiicient than running bots. Still smells like garbage to me though.
Most games are shallow, you usually just go around killing stuff.
But shallow can be pretty fun, I rather see Clint Eastwood shoot lots of people than visiting the bridges of Madison country....
I still think that killing Blizzard North was a huge misstake of Blizzard though.
I'm rather thinking of Starcraft, that was played for many years. So many strategic posibilities, it's hardly shallow.
Though in essence, it's killing stuff, sure.
You do realize that gold itself can be sold on the RMAH? So gold is far from worthless. This makes it to where it doesn't really matter which Auction House the items end up on, as long as you are not just interested in selling everything and buying nothing.
Its annpoying hearing people complain about spending money on virtual items. Im 100% sure the people that are against it, are just kids that dont have money to invest in a game AND don't want to put in the time for it unless other people have to. But wouldn't care at all if they were given things that other people would have to pay or play for. After running serveral websites with 80% of the users under 17 years old, I've learned that most kids seem to have a high sense of self entitlement and have very very poor logic.
the RMT lets you buy with gold or real money and it lets players sell. Thats pretty cool.
Quite honestly I think if companies like Blizz don't like 3rd parties selling gold in their games, they should just do it themselves and cut out the ocmpetition or it's going to keep happening, probably why it seems they are looking in this direction with D3.
i challenge Runic Games to make a game MORE successful than a Blizzard game. Oh wait, not going to happen.
torchlight is like letting a kindergarten class develop a game for you. it's cute and cuddly and fun and you get some entertainment and laughs out of it for about 5 minutes, then you move on because you've lost interest.
blizzard is employing world-class artists and game designers to make a game that is a bloody, visceral, action-packed adventure MASTERPIECE that will outsell torchlight thousands of times over because it is a QUALITY GAME.
and all this "blizzard is nothing compared to what it once was" is a bunch of bullcrap.
blizzard games are more polished and more popular than pretty much every other pc game on the market. just because they dont cater to the .01% of the gaming market and try new things like RMAH and online-only play doesn't make them greedy, or make their games any less fun. what this DOES do is make the game more secure, and generally more enjoyable due to lack of 3rd party item selling spam, dupes and hacks that plagued the d2 universe.
You do realise that the guy who is in charge of Runic Games, the main driving force of Torchligh1&2 direction was also the lead designer for Diablo I and Diablo II right?7
He made diablo I and II a huge success, and developed Torchlight 1 on a really low budget managing to turn many ppls head with it.
They even got microsoft to put it on Xbox Live Arcade, so I think your assumptions are quite invalid.
Torchlight 2 will be a good game, it will have everything that made other Hack & Slash games sucessful, and is designed by the main driving force from Diablo I and II.
"I am not a robot. I am a unicorn."
you do realize that that man who is in charge left blizzard to make a copy of a game he already made with a new company, gave it some graphical polish and sold the same amount of copies over the course of what, 2 years? that diablo 2 sold in 2 weeks.
torchlight 2 will not be worth $20. diablo 3 will be worth every single penny of the $60 i am going to pay for it.
d3 will be around for some time once it was released, torchlight 2 can be happy to survive 2 years ^^
i am quite sick of all those people with "uuuuh this game is developed by the main brains behind diablo!!!!!!11111eleven"
so roper designed torchlight? doubt that
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
keep drinking that blizzard kool-aid boys.
stay classy
"I am not a robot. I am a unicorn."