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Balanced F2P/P2P

TenyTeny Member Posts: 9
in The Pub at MMORPG.COM

I've spent the last 4 or so years playing F2P Games and ultimately I'm disappointed.

 

Regardless of how the game starts out, it seems the pure greed of these companies shows pretty early on and you have people who spend thousands of dollars and completely ruin the game.

 

I'm a PvP-oriented player, and when it comes to PvP almost every F2P game I've tried has allowed the cash shop to seriously ruin the gameplay.

 

I'm not going to name names, (lolpwilol) but each one of the games I've tried from a particular company has allowed for cash shoppers to come in, spend a few thousand, and OP their chars to hell so much that you really can't compete, at all.

 

 

I wanted to know if anyone knew of any games that didn't have this kind of imbalance? A game where there wasn't any/much cash shop dependancy and had competitive/balanced PvP.

 

Note: At this point I'd even settle for a P2P game, paying for quality seems like a good idea.

Comments

  • saluksaluk Member Posts: 325

    How much money have you put into the f2p games? By one perspective, if you aren't putting ANY money in, you really aren't benefiting the game any. Games do not survive without cashflow. Also, with a monthly fee, you don't actually know what your money is buying. You can have a really poor month with not very good content if you are in a slow period of the game, but you don't know this when you pay your monthly fee. The price is the same regardless of what you get out of the game each month. With a cash shop, you know EXACTLY what your cash is buying. You can better watch your cash output and see a direct result of what you are paying for.

    It's not really fair to say that the developers of such games are greedy. It's more about economics. If they are supporting the games development and maintenance via a cash shop, a companies primary concern is probably going to be to try and get people to use said cash shop. It's easy to argue ethics as a player, but if you are on the other side you will realize that running a business is hard, and if you don't look out for the bottom line you will go under.

    Oh and I agree, most f2p games are awful, mismanaged, piles of, eh, lets not even say it :) I've never been able to play for one for very long.

  • SulaaSulaa Member UncommonPosts: 1,329

    Originally posted by saluk

    How much money have you put into the f2p games? By one perspective, if you aren't putting ANY money in, you really aren't benefiting the game any. Games do not survive without cashflow. Also, with a monthly fee, you don't actually know what your money is buying. You can have a really poor month with not very good content if you are in a slow period of the game, but you don't know this when you pay your monthly fee. The price is the same regardless of what you get out of the game each month. With a cash shop, you know EXACTLY what your cash is buying. You can better watch your cash output and see a direct result of what you are paying for.

    It's not really fair to say that the developers of such games are greedy. It's more about economics. If they are supporting the games development and maintenance via a cash shop, a companies primary concern is probably going to be to try and get people to use said cash shop. It's easy to argue ethics as a player, but if you are on the other side you will realize that running a business is hard, and if you don't look out for the bottom line you will go under.

    Oh and I agree, most f2p games are awful, mismanaged, piles of, eh, lets not even say it :) I've never been able to play for one for very long.

    Ye ye true, but why he as a consumer should be concerned about company profits. If a game company rip him off then he should just ditch it. Really we're consumers so stop beign protective about game companies interest , it is their interest not yours and definately lately game companies show that they couldn't care less about gamers satisfaction as long as they still stay in game and spend money for whatever reason like cause player alreasy invested months of time in a game, cause his friends play it,etc

     

     

    AS for game focused on PvP without cash shop , try Aion.

  • saluksaluk Member Posts: 325

    Originally posted by Sulaa

    Originally posted by saluk
    How much money have you put into the f2p games? By one perspective, if you aren't putting ANY money in, you really aren't benefiting the game any. Games do not survive without cashflow. Also, with a monthly fee, you don't actually know what your money is buying. You can have a really poor month with not very good content if you are in a slow period of the game, but you don't know this when you pay your monthly fee. The price is the same regardless of what you get out of the game each month. With a cash shop, you know EXACTLY what your cash is buying. You can better watch your cash output and see a direct result of what you are paying for.
    It's not really fair to say that the developers of such games are greedy. It's more about economics. If they are supporting the games development and maintenance via a cash shop, a companies primary concern is probably going to be to try and get people to use said cash shop. It's easy to argue ethics as a player, but if you are on the other side you will realize that running a business is hard, and if you don't look out for the bottom line you will go under.
    Oh and I agree, most f2p games are awful, mismanaged, piles of, eh, lets not even say it :) I've never been able to play for one for very long.
    Ye ye true, but why he as a consumer should be concerned about company profits. If a game company rip him off then he should just ditch it. Really we're consumers so stop beign protective about game companies interest , it is their interest not yours and definately lately game companies show that they couldn't care less about gamers satisfaction as long as they still stay in game and spend money for whatever reason like cause player alreasy invested months of time in a game, cause his friends play it,etc
     
     
    AS for game focused on PvP without cash shop , try Aion.

    If you put 100 hours into a game and don't give the developers a cent, who is ripping who off here? I'm mostly playing devils advocate, but still. I don't play f2p games regularly, but the ones I did play I had the feeling that if i were to spend roughly the same amount as I do on p2p, I would get roughly the same experience. Did you feel ripped off when you played a free trial of a p2p game, and then hit the trial level cap and they wouldn't let you play any more without coughing up some dough?

    There are a lot of games where the cash shop is really bad though, I'll give you that. In fact most of them are like this. You have to pay much more than a typical p2p game to even get in the game.

  • OberholzerOberholzer Member Posts: 498
    I can't believe it took you 4 years to be disappointed by f2p games.
  • SulaaSulaa Member UncommonPosts: 1,329

    Originally posted by saluk




     

    If you put 100 hours into a game and don't give the developers a cent, who is ripping who off here? I'm mostly playing devils advocate, but still. I don't play f2p games regularly, but the ones I did play I had the feeling that if i were to spend roughly the same amount as I do on p2p, I would get roughly the same experience. Did you feel ripped off when you played a free trial of a p2p game, and then hit the trial level cap and they wouldn't let you play any more without coughing up some dough?

    There are a lot of games where the cash shop is really bad though, I'll give you that. In fact most of them are like this. You have to pay much more than a typical p2p game to even get in the game.

    Huh? what?

    Excuse me game developers choose a path that allows players to play forever witout paying anything. They are controlling everything about their game, so if they don't want player playing 100 h without paying , they can easily put a limit.

    So no I am NOT ripping them off.

    Besides I played both f2p and p2p games and If you play for longer time and especially hit an end game , you pay usually more in f2p. If you play for a short time you pay less. If you pay casually but still advance through a game , you pay more or less same but you have to deal with IS affecting a game in a bad way (guess it depends on a personal preference , some ppl dont have a problem with that).

     

    Bottom line is I am very much for paying real money for playing a game. Though I am against deceptive cash shop milking.

  • WarlyxWarlyx Member EpicPosts: 3,368

    Originally posted by eayes

    I can't believe it took you 4 years to be disappointed by f2p games.

    i loled

     

    anyway F2p games are cool to play for a while....to pass time , no to play it full time and play pvp or endgame....

     

    while some like DDO or Lotro offer some ways to gain "cash shop money" others dont.......

     

    imo the only way to balance is doing like Turbine is doing , letting ppl farm ingame cash shop money (slowly but at least can)

     

    time = money

    we need more "turbines" out there :P

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