Ok, so you could come up with all that about the graphics which you apparently have a real problem with but you haven't fully explored the user interface yet?
Well here is your list with very "weak" points you requested. I can't imagine my points being any weaker then yours, half of them aren't even close to accurate and I seriously have to question if you even own the game to have tried it to come up with your opinions.
Your comments on the graphics are completely off base, I have no clue what your talking about with contrast, I suggest you see an eye doctor or play toon town.
The combat system is restrictive with locking? What exactly does that mean? Others can't help you powerlevel, oh how restrictive. I have to actually kill my own mobs on an equal level and if I get in over my head I have to actually sacrifice the experience to accept help? *GASP* NOT THAT!
Style? No clue what your talking about, the world did change drastically and that is reflected in every aspect of the lands. Its obvious you have never played this game.
Grinding? Ok, you don't even fully understand the interface yet you played long enough to find grind? Give me a break.
Innovation? Dark and Light isnt out on shelves yet, its purely hype, lets keep it real. If your going to compare it compare it to other products that have actually MADE it to the shelves. No innovation, like adding voice-overs into an MMO for the first time? Like the crafting system that many players completely abandom the comat aspect of the game to do full time because they like it so much? Like the best imagery in the industry which you seem to be in denial over? Like one of the best new player tutorial systems to support both veteran players and people that have never played an MMO before alike? Na, no innovation at all.
When you can actually come up with some VALID points then maybe I will talk intelligently with you about the game. As it stands now its fairly apparently you have never tried the game and your opinion isn't even grouned in knowledge you have first hand.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Diversity in EQ2 is null, if a lvl 20 paladin in wow is just like any other lvl 20 paladin then in EQ they are the SAME paladin. The traning and ability choices are just a joke honestly and does not diverse players at all. Compared to games that are truelly awesome in this area, like AO, EQ is not even a sad replica, there is nothing nothing nothing I can do but lvl up to influence how my character progresses, and at that point he will be pretty much identical to any other lvl 38 warden out there. ITems make a difference sure but those are most often not aquired by choice but by neccessity or availability.
Aside from said traning choices, at this point I have selected like 15 of wich I use 2, there is no such thing as diversity in EQ. If you are a non figther class for example getting all items for STR so you have several hundred in STR then you will still do the same dmg with that weapon as if you had 10 STR, nor is there any other way you can influence DMG output. MEaning no way to make a mace wielding ogre cleric should you choose to, well you could but you would still do the same dmg at the same lvl as a gnome of your class.
Second:
Housing in EQ2 is totally awesome, lvl 26 carpenter here also and I implore anyone to visit my house at Jade Tiger Inn (first door on left, bottom floor) and tell me that aint at least a bit cool.
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Originally posted by Umbrood Just a couple of things: Diversity in EQ2 is null, if a lvl 20 paladin in wow is just like any other lvl 20 paladin then in EQ they are the SAME paladin. The traning and ability choices are just a joke honestly and does not diverse players at all. Compared to games that are truelly awesome in this area, like AO, EQ is not even a sad replica, there is nothing nothing nothing I can do but lvl up to influence how my character progresses, and at that point he will be pretty much identical to any other lvl 38 warden out there. ITems make a difference sure but those are most often not aquired by choice but by neccessity or availability. Aside from said traning choices, at this point I have selected like 15 of wich I use 2, there is no such thing as diversity in EQ. If you are a non figther class for example getting all items for STR so you have several hundred in STR then you will still do the same dmg with that weapon as if you had 10 STR, nor is there any other way you can influence DMG output. MEaning no way to make a mace wielding ogre cleric should you choose to, well you could but you would still do the same dmg at the same lvl as a gnome of your class. Second: Housing in EQ2 is totally awesome, lvl 26 carpenter here also and I implore anyone to visit my house at Jade Tiger Inn (first door on left, bottom floor) and tell me that aint at least a bit cool.
I mostly agree that the classes arent as unique as alot of other games. Honestly I am fine with that though, I like the classes very much in EQ and how they work. You have to admit, even though AO has a very robust skill system you can very seriously gimp yourself if you don't know what your doing or have someone to explain to you what you should be working on when you get into the game. Most of it doesn't even make sense to you for quite some time into playing. So there are ups and downs to both. UO had a very nice wide open skill system. DAoC's isn't bad either but still class restrictive.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Eq2 is a great game. Don't even talk about AO, the game sucks balls and has horrible horrible graphics and gameplay. AO can only be comparible to Knight Online. EQ2 is a very great game with good graphics.
Originally posted by Cleffy You guys never answered his question, or anyone elses that were the same as his. Whats to great about EQ2 aside from its graphics, which to me are badly modeled and lack andy sort of design?
i have to agree on the models, erudites looks so lame and mannequin like, tho only race that doesnt look lame is ratonga (since they dont exist at all, they dont have to model them after something in RL)
if your a powergamer then EQ2 is the game for you, im sorry wow didnt have the gameplay i was looking for, there was lack of cooperation that drove me away from wow. (i played both betas) if u want to be more then just yourself and part of a large guild then EQ2 is for you
heroic oppertunity is what sold me over wow, as its a system that requires teamwork
SOE customer service is absolutely horrible, at least the two games have something in common
You want my facts as to why I think EQ2 destroys WoW? Here they are:
1) Sever stabliltiy. It is a FACT the servers on WoW are awful. Resaons don't matter, and excuses don't get rid of wait queues.
2) Graphics: The graphics are sub-par and don't let me get into the game.
3) Community: The community is awful. Worst I have EVER seen in an MMO. I have never witnessed more immature, idiots in my life. It drives me nuts. I don't like to be around people like that and since there is no way to get away from it, even on an RP server where they come just to harass RP'ers, I'll leave it.
5) Easy. The game is WAAAAAY too easy. After playing I don't feel like I've accomplished anything. Even crafting can be done almost by accident.
6) Voice overs rule. I get disappointed now when I go to a game that doesn't have them.
7) Crafting in EQ2 is awsome. It takes work to be a good crafter, so a lot of people don't bother with it, making it even more rewarding when you reach level 25.
8) Interaction. In WoW if there were no other people on your server, you could go from level 1 to 60 without ever needing another person. You need other people in EQ2, that is a big reason I play an MMO.
9) Class diversity. Every 10th level paladin in WoW is EXACTLY the same. In EQ2 you have racial skills and different class skills to pick from.
10) Races, There are more races to choose from in EQ2, and I like the races better
11) Customization. Not much difference in the characters in WoW.
and that's just off the top of my head.
1. I have never had to wait in a queue. Some servers are having problems, but many servers are not. That's a fact for some people. For some of us, it is something we never see.
2. The graphics question is entirely subjective. I see things in WoW that I think are just beautiful every day. And since I have an ancient graphics card, it turns out that I and many other people can play WoW while we can't play EQ2 without upgrading, so it would seem that many people find WoW's graphics to be more functional, if not very advanced.
3. The community on the Horde side on my server is no worse than EQ1 ever was. Maybe all the obnoxious people play Alliance.
4. What? No 4?
5. I'd say that WoW was too easy if I played more than 10 hours a week. It really is a game that is perfect to people like me who have less than 2 hours a day to play, and who don't even play every day. I can log on and feel like I have accomplished something after a couple of hours, and the accomplishment is usually more than movement on my experience bar.
6. This is also entirely subjective. Voice overs were one of the things that made me roll my eyes. I mean, I guess they got some good talent for some of the voices, but I read a lot faster than I listen, and I generally find voice overs annoying in games that have them. Personally, I don't want my games to make any sound at all, generally, and the first thing I do is hit the options to make the game silent, but I am not the one arguing that voiceovers are a reason that one game "destroys" another.
7. I can't imagine caring about crafting in a game, but I do crafting in WoW because I can do it on the fly without any particular thought given to it, and that's a plus. I make some money at it, just selling stuff to the vendors, which is the main reason I do it. Anyway, I don't want to work in a game. Working in real life sucks bad enough.
And I think this is the real reason that WoW and EQ2 are not really competition for each other, but have different audiences entirely: EQ2 has obstacles to overcome that achievement oriented people are going to enjoy. I used to play that way, and I loved EQ1 for it, even while other people whined that the game was "too hard". But my life has changed drastically, and I am not interested in spending my time trying to wring some virtual achievement out of a game. I just want to sit down, do something kinda fun for an hour or so, and then put on my fuzzy slippers, read the kids a bedtime story, and crawl into bed myself. WoW is a game built for people like me, and people who want feeling of overcoming obstacles or winning a struggle are going to find the game lacking.
8. In WoW, I group with people to do quests, I chat with people, and I don't ever have to sit around LFG. There are a lot of quests in WoW that really do require groups if you intend to get experience from doing them, so people do group. If you don't quest in WoW, you've missed the point. Questing is a far more fun way to level up, and certainly the more efficient way to level up, at least in the first half of the game. It is common for people to be asking to fill out a group to do one quest or another. The fact that a person could, in theory, play to level 60 without needing anyone else doesn't mean that there are very many people actually playing that way.
Right now my mage has 3 or 4 yellow, orange, or red Elite quests, and I can guarantee you I won't be soloing any of those. (My apologies to people unfamiliar with WoW-- the colors are related to your level & the level of the quest. Elite quests generally involve killing "elite" mobs, which are tougher than regular mobs of the same level.)
9. Oh, sure, they are all the same at level 10, but once you start picking Talents, you start seeing divergence. For instance, my mage is specializing in Arcane and Fire skills, while I have stuck to beefing up the pet, rather than improving melee or marksmanship skills with my little level 13 hunter. So, I'd say that your arguement there only applies to newbies.
10. This is another subjective opinion. While I do like some of the races that EQ2 offers that WoW doesn't, I am happy with what is available to me in WoW. Of course, that could just be because I like being an orc.
11. I will agree that EQ2 has a lot more customization, and I like customization. But it is a feature that I am more than willing to trade off for a game that will run on the computer I have without spending money on upgrades and that is fun for me.
I'm not going to post over here anymore. It seems like there's always someone somewhere who will take any criticism of EQ2 and turn it into a WoW-bashing fest, and vice versa. I would love to play EQ2, but I don't see that as a reason to hate WoW. I am playing WoW, but that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with EQ2. When I start feeling like defending a game that I really like against arguments that have little merit, I soon after get the urge to start quoting Rodney King, and that's not a good sign.
Why can't we all just get along?
... This is where I draw the line: __________________.
People that think EQ2's graphics are better then WoW's really have no sense of esthetics what so ever and therefor arent allowed to utter their opinions. Thank you.
_____________________ I am the flipside of the coin on which the troll and the fanboy are but one side.
In my opinion, roleplaying potential is a better pull for MMORPGs. I can't fall in love with a game without the opportunity to express myself through a roleplaying persona. I could care less about graphics or sound(I play Pencil & Paper D&D Avidly Still...so...).
I will say this until the day that I die: "Games are what you make of them."
Opinions are great. Speaking your mind is awesome. But, don't down other people's games just because you had a bad experience or you have never played it.
Don't quote me on this, but: "From what I can tell, World of Warcraft plays more for the younger crowds and Everquest II is setup for the older crowd, but there is otherwise no problems either as long as you see it like that."
Originally posted by kielia I could care less about graphics or sound(I play Pencil & Paper D&D Avidly Still...so...).
I WISH I still had a group to paper and pencil with (grumbles). Its been years.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
And I think this is the real reason that WoW and EQ2 are not really competition for each other, but have different audiences entirely: EQ2 has obstacles to overcome that achievement oriented people are going to enjoy. I used to play that way, and I loved EQ1 for it, even while other people whined that the game was "too hard". But my life has changed drastically, and I am not interested in spending my time trying to wring some virtual achievement out of a game. I just want to sit down, do something kinda fun for an hour or so, and then put on my fuzzy slippers, read the kids a bedtime story, and crawl into bed myself. WoW is a game built for people like me, and people who want feeling of overcoming obstacles or winning a struggle are going to find the game lacking.
Very well put. I think you've nailed the primary difference about as well as I've ever seen, although I think you may have overstated it a bit. I am a person who can play two hours or sometimes three about 4-5 nights a week, so I think I fall into the category ole Absor once described as "time-deprived", lol, and I really don't find a problem managing the game and having fun, but still, there is a lot of truth to this point. My only concern about playing the game, frankly, is whether I am going to be willing to do what I need to do to get where I want to get. EQ2 is still far better for casual players than original EQ1 though. But if my play periods were only an hour or so, I would not tackle EQ2.
FYI they have accelerated exp gain significantly for soloers and small groups and are in the process of adding a lot of content for those groups too, so the situation is just getting better.
I cant stand u morons who think just coz a game has half-decent graphics, then all the concentration has gone into graphics not gameplay. Most of you have never even played EQ2 yet your saying it is featureless. Now am not taking the piss out of WoW but i cant stand the graphics, they look like they have been drawn and there is no real graphical detail to them. Before you all start saying i've never played it, i think i can judge a game's graphics just by seeing videos of it.
Other than that i cant really compare the games but it seems from the amount of ppl who play WoW coming to EQ2 forums and start saying it is hopeless without playing it, it isn't that hard to believe that the community isn't good at all. I might be wrong there because i havent played it but EQ2 players sound more humourus and dont go around calling games they dont play pieces of shit but instead just say their game isnt bad and they provide FACTS to support this, not just random flaming. Sure sometimes they say other games are worse than theirs but they definately dont go around saying other games are crap.
I dont know about gameplay but just coz a game has annoying-to-some-people graphics doesnt mean it's a bad game, i mean the developers cant really make a community can they. But that doesnt also mean that a game with great graphics and good community is a good or bad game.
People complain about WoW servers but there are also graphics stutter issues in EQ2.
Overall they are both the requal so far and i think they are just a matter of personal preference. Dont like a game, dont play it and dont say it's crap coz no one could care less.
There have been many posts that I really want to respond to but I don't have the time, so let me answer a few brief things:
Cleffy, It's obvoius you have never played EQ2., that fact alone negates most of your opinions as you're only listening to hear say and some screen shots. As far as "white blob graphics and no shading": You can see cheekbones, that's kind of a neat trick without shading don't you think? There are far more things I can break down your "facts" but again I don't have the time right now.
I almost spit milk on my keyboard I laughed so hard at your player housing comment. You tell me which is more limited: Not being able to do much with it, or not having it at all? Great argument there buddy.
EQ2 uses the skill system also, Just like the one WoW took from EQ1. Oops but I'm disputing your "fact" that must mean the game is awful.
That's a great defense by the way Cleffy. Stating some opinions calling them facts, and saying anyone who tries to contridict your "facts" is saying the game is awful. That mkes everything you say true
There were two WoW fans that actually posted very intelligently and I'm sorry I can't remeber your names (you think I would since you're the only two I've ever seen do it) but:
One said asked something to the effet of why I had to compare it to WoW. The reason I did it that way was for Cleffy. I said that WoW fans come in here and say EQ2 is trash and WoW is better, but no one posts the facts as to why. So the point of my post was to put why I think EQ2 is better than WoW. Most of it was my opinion, and while only 20 servers are having trouble, the log in server goes down quite frequently and when that happens it doesn't matter what server you're on, you're not getting in.
I have to disagree on the community issue. I've played EQ1 and while there are jerks, I really have to look for the level of immaturity that I find is the norm on WoW. On WoW I have to look for people I want to hang around with. If you want a quick proof of this, go on any server in EQ and just watch your Chat log for an hour, then do the same on WoW and count the number of times someone calls someone else "noob".
The other one said they aren't coming here anymore due to the fact that it turns into a bash EQ or bash WoW fest: I really hope you stick around. I love debating the merits of each game, with someone intelligent enough to see that you can like a game that has flaws, something I've found very hard to find with the WoW fans around here.
Looks like we hit a nerve with r1tual. God I love when people act tough over the internet. Your threats are truly intimidating r1tual. I can just imagine your thin little arm punching me through my screen.
Funny enough i have come to realise a vast majority of the trolls have never touched EQ2 and a even larger number has not played the retail.
You have the obvious ones who have done zero research in the game like "i am a level 40 rogue"," i am a level 50 scout" and even more obvious and outright shameful ones like "i dinged level 60 in EQ2 last night and realised how i hate the game".
Some clearly show they never touched the game at all. and did not even bother to read on the game before lying.
Then you have some like cleffy who concide the fact they never played EQ2 more and give a broad 3rd party view but shows obvious flaws in their posts that they have not played the game.At least unlike the level 60 claimants he did bother to read a bit on the game.
My question is simple.Why would people go to such a state to lie about having played and hated the game?
EQ2 is still a beta version with too many many bugs. The entire game design is flawed.
SOE just want to make money from this game.
It's pain to play EQ2 and I loggin to play EQ2 with pain, it's really a PAINFUL experiences. I want to see how long I can stand for this psychic MMORPG.
The way to torturing yourself is crafting in EQ2. Believe me, craftin in EQ2 is definitely not conisdered as PLAY a game.
The sound is eerie and ruin your nerves system and hearing ability.
I never seen a large company like SOE produced such terrible MMORPG.
This opinion comes from unsatisfied and unhappy current EQ2 player.
Originally posted by Saigonshakes Larry, what bugs are you talking about? Which bugs made the game experience so bad?
You are asking where the dust comes from the air. EQ2 really a bored game. Two months after the game released, EQ2 still like a BETA game. SOE changes the gameplay everyday without let people know what they have been changed.
I suspect EQ2 is OEM product then SOE put them together. Now, there is another team modifying the game everyday, and they said the server needed to backup. This game is completely twisted.
Originally posted by Saigonshakes Larry, what bugs are you talking about? Which bugs made the game experience so bad?
You are asking where the dust comes from the air. EQ2 really a bored game. Two months after the game released, EQ2 still like a BETA game. SOE changes the gameplay everyday without let people know what they have been changed.
I suspect EQ2 is OEM product then SOE put them together. Now, there is another team modifying the game everyday, and they said the server needed to backup. This game is completely twisted.
No, he's actually asking what bugs made the game unplayable for you. Very direct question that you seem to go around without really answering.
If you think EQ2 is boring cool I can accept that, this game is pretty slow moving and isn't for everyone, but when say there are bugs, it would be nice to know what kind of bugs you encountered. I'd also be interested to know what changes have happened that SOE didn't tell us about. Every patch is shown in the login screen
First you complain about bugs, then you complain that there is a team fixing the bugs. Servers do need to be backed up, so if anything happens you don't lose everything. Any IT will tell you 80% of thier job is having good back ups.
After all that, I don't think anyone is sure of what exactly your problem with the game is, other than you think it's boring.
What about the bugs? I can't list all of them here. I am not pay to do that for SOE. I only know I paid SOE to play a buggy game. This game is completely twisted. Just think this way, EQ2 should released one year later. This game still in beta.
Any game with limit on player's side considering as bad design because a good game should be able to allow players to play with maximum fun.
How terrible is EQ2? They limited every steps. It is okay but not really okay to accept if they limited on hunting experiences. Worst than that is they limited on crafting level.
In most people's knowlegements, we know we need more practices to be successful in crafting. But this knowledgement is not for EQ2.
Do you think if you crafting the same item for 1 million times then you would be succesful? NO.
Your success is not based on how skillful and how many times you learned from crafting. EQ2 is controlling the level and decided when and how you are going to level up.
Originally posted by Larry2298 What about the bugs? I can't list all of them here. I am not pay to do that for SOE. I only know I paid SOE to play a buggy game. This game is completely twisted. Just think this way, EQ2 should released one year later. This game still in beta. Any game with limit on player's side considering as bad design because a good game should be able to allow players to play with maximum fun. How terrible is EQ2? They limited every steps. It is okay but not really okay to accept if they limited on hunting experiences. Worst than that is they limited on crafting level. In most people's knowlegements, we know we need more practices to be successful in crafting. But this knowledgement is not for EQ2. Do you think if you crafting the same item for 1 million times then you would be succesful? NO. Your success is not based on how skillful and how many times you learned from crafting. EQ2 is controlling the level and decided when and how you are going to level up. This is really tricky.
I just read that entire thing and have no idea what you just said other then you feel the game is buggy. And exactly WHAT bugs are you talking about?
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
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Ok, so you could come up with all that about the graphics which you apparently have a real problem with but you haven't fully explored the user interface yet?
Well here is your list with very "weak" points you requested. I can't imagine my points being any weaker then yours, half of them aren't even close to accurate and I seriously have to question if you even own the game to have tried it to come up with your opinions.
Your comments on the graphics are completely off base, I have no clue what your talking about with contrast, I suggest you see an eye doctor or play toon town.
The combat system is restrictive with locking? What exactly does that mean? Others can't help you powerlevel, oh how restrictive. I have to actually kill my own mobs on an equal level and if I get in over my head I have to actually sacrifice the experience to accept help? *GASP* NOT THAT!
Style? No clue what your talking about, the world did change drastically and that is reflected in every aspect of the lands. Its obvious you have never played this game.
Grinding? Ok, you don't even fully understand the interface yet you played long enough to find grind? Give me a break.
Innovation? Dark and Light isnt out on shelves yet, its purely hype, lets keep it real. If your going to compare it compare it to other products that have actually MADE it to the shelves. No innovation, like adding voice-overs into an MMO for the first time? Like the crafting system that many players completely abandom the comat aspect of the game to do full time because they like it so much? Like the best imagery in the industry which you seem to be in denial over? Like one of the best new player tutorial systems to support both veteran players and people that have never played an MMO before alike? Na, no innovation at all.
When you can actually come up with some VALID points then maybe I will talk intelligently with you about the game. As it stands now its fairly apparently you have never tried the game and your opinion isn't even grouned in knowledge you have first hand.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Just a couple of things:
Diversity in EQ2 is null, if a lvl 20 paladin in wow is just like any other lvl 20 paladin then in EQ they are the SAME paladin. The traning and ability choices are just a joke honestly and does not diverse players at all. Compared to games that are truelly awesome in this area, like AO, EQ is not even a sad replica, there is nothing nothing nothing I can do but lvl up to influence how my character progresses, and at that point he will be pretty much identical to any other lvl 38 warden out there. ITems make a difference sure but those are most often not aquired by choice but by neccessity or availability.
Aside from said traning choices, at this point I have selected like 15 of wich I use 2, there is no such thing as diversity in EQ. If you are a non figther class for example getting all items for STR so you have several hundred in STR then you will still do the same dmg with that weapon as if you had 10 STR, nor is there any other way you can influence DMG output. MEaning no way to make a mace wielding ogre cleric should you choose to, well you could but you would still do the same dmg at the same lvl as a gnome of your class.
Second:
Housing in EQ2 is totally awesome, lvl 26 carpenter here also and I implore anyone to visit my house at Jade Tiger Inn (first door on left, bottom floor) and tell me that aint at least a bit cool.
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I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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I mostly agree that the classes arent as unique as alot of other games. Honestly I am fine with that though, I like the classes very much in EQ and how they work. You have to admit, even though AO has a very robust skill system you can very seriously gimp yourself if you don't know what your doing or have someone to explain to you what you should be working on when you get into the game. Most of it doesn't even make sense to you for quite some time into playing. So there are ups and downs to both. UO had a very nice wide open skill system. DAoC's isn't bad either but still class restrictive.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
i have to agree on the models, erudites looks so lame and mannequin like, tho only race that doesnt look lame is ratonga (since they dont exist at all, they dont have to model them after something in RL)
if your a powergamer then EQ2 is the game for you, im sorry wow didnt have the gameplay i was looking for, there was lack of cooperation that drove me away from wow. (i played both betas) if u want to be more then just yourself and part of a large guild then EQ2 is for you
heroic oppertunity is what sold me over wow, as its a system that requires teamwork
SOE customer service is absolutely horrible, at least the two games have something in common
1. I have never had to wait in a queue. Some servers are having problems, but many servers are not. That's a fact for some people. For some of us, it is something we never see.
2. The graphics question is entirely subjective. I see things in WoW that I think are just beautiful every day. And since I have an ancient graphics card, it turns out that I and many other people can play WoW while we can't play EQ2 without upgrading, so it would seem that many people find WoW's graphics to be more functional, if not very advanced.
3. The community on the Horde side on my server is no worse than EQ1 ever was. Maybe all the obnoxious people play Alliance.
4. What? No 4?
5. I'd say that WoW was too easy if I played more than 10 hours a week. It really is a game that is perfect to people like me who have less than 2 hours a day to play, and who don't even play every day. I can log on and feel like I have accomplished something after a couple of hours, and the accomplishment is usually more than movement on my experience bar.
6. This is also entirely subjective. Voice overs were one of the things that made me roll my eyes. I mean, I guess they got some good talent for some of the voices, but I read a lot faster than I listen, and I generally find voice overs annoying in games that have them. Personally, I don't want my games to make any sound at all, generally, and the first thing I do is hit the options to make the game silent, but I am not the one arguing that voiceovers are a reason that one game "destroys" another.
7. I can't imagine caring about crafting in a game, but I do crafting in WoW because I can do it on the fly without any particular thought given to it, and that's a plus. I make some money at it, just selling stuff to the vendors, which is the main reason I do it. Anyway, I don't want to work in a game. Working in real life sucks bad enough.
And I think this is the real reason that WoW and EQ2 are not really competition for each other, but have different audiences entirely: EQ2 has obstacles to overcome that achievement oriented people are going to enjoy. I used to play that way, and I loved EQ1 for it, even while other people whined that the game was "too hard". But my life has changed drastically, and I am not interested in spending my time trying to wring some virtual achievement out of a game. I just want to sit down, do something kinda fun for an hour or so, and then put on my fuzzy slippers, read the kids a bedtime story, and crawl into bed myself. WoW is a game built for people like me, and people who want feeling of overcoming obstacles or winning a struggle are going to find the game lacking.
8. In WoW, I group with people to do quests, I chat with people, and I don't ever have to sit around LFG. There are a lot of quests in WoW that really do require groups if you intend to get experience from doing them, so people do group. If you don't quest in WoW, you've missed the point. Questing is a far more fun way to level up, and certainly the more efficient way to level up, at least in the first half of the game. It is common for people to be asking to fill out a group to do one quest or another. The fact that a person could, in theory, play to level 60 without needing anyone else doesn't mean that there are very many people actually playing that way.
Right now my mage has 3 or 4 yellow, orange, or red Elite quests, and I can guarantee you I won't be soloing any of those. (My apologies to people unfamiliar with WoW-- the colors are related to your level & the level of the quest. Elite quests generally involve killing "elite" mobs, which are tougher than regular mobs of the same level.)
9. Oh, sure, they are all the same at level 10, but once you start picking Talents, you start seeing divergence. For instance, my mage is specializing in Arcane and Fire skills, while I have stuck to beefing up the pet, rather than improving melee or marksmanship skills with my little level 13 hunter. So, I'd say that your arguement there only applies to newbies.
10. This is another subjective opinion. While I do like some of the races that EQ2 offers that WoW doesn't, I am happy with what is available to me in WoW. Of course, that could just be because I like being an orc.
11. I will agree that EQ2 has a lot more customization, and I like customization. But it is a feature that I am more than willing to trade off for a game that will run on the computer I have without spending money on upgrades and that is fun for me.
I'm not going to post over here anymore. It seems like there's always someone somewhere who will take any criticism of EQ2 and turn it into a WoW-bashing fest, and vice versa. I would love to play EQ2, but I don't see that as a reason to hate WoW. I am playing WoW, but that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with EQ2. When I start feeling like defending a game that I really like against arguments that have little merit, I soon after get the urge to start quoting Rodney King, and that's not a good sign.
Why can't we all just get along?
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This is where I draw the line: __________________.
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I am the flipside of the coin on which the troll and the fanboy are but one side.
(pirrg, that was kind of rude...)
In my opinion, roleplaying potential is a better pull for MMORPGs. I can't fall in love with a game without the opportunity to express myself through a roleplaying persona. I could care less about graphics or sound(I play Pencil & Paper D&D Avidly Still...so...
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I will say this until the day that I die: "Games are what you make of them."
Opinions are great. Speaking your mind is awesome. But, don't down other people's games just because you had a bad experience or you have never played it.
Don't quote me on this, but: "From what I can tell, World of Warcraft plays more for the younger crowds and Everquest II is setup for the older crowd, but there is otherwise no problems either as long as you see it like that."
Thats just my penny in the jar...
I WISH I still had a group to paper and pencil with (grumbles). Its been years.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Very well put. I think you've nailed the primary difference about as well as I've ever seen, although I think you may have overstated it a bit. I am a person who can play two hours or sometimes three about 4-5 nights a week, so I think I fall into the category ole Absor once described as "time-deprived", lol, and I really don't find a problem managing the game and having fun, but still, there is a lot of truth to this point. My only concern about playing the game, frankly, is whether I am going to be willing to do what I need to do to get where I want to get. EQ2 is still far better for casual players than original EQ1 though. But if my play periods were only an hour or so, I would not tackle EQ2.
FYI they have accelerated exp gain significantly for soloers and small groups and are in the process of adding a lot of content for those groups too, so the situation is just getting better.
I cant stand u morons who think just coz a game has half-decent graphics, then all the concentration has gone into graphics not gameplay. Most of you have never even played EQ2 yet your saying it is featureless. Now am not taking the piss out of WoW but i cant stand the graphics, they look like they have been drawn and there is no real graphical detail to them. Before you all start saying i've never played it, i think i can judge a game's graphics just by seeing videos of it.
Other than that i cant really compare the games but it seems from the amount of ppl who play WoW coming to EQ2 forums and start saying it is hopeless without playing it, it isn't that hard to believe that the community isn't good at all. I might be wrong there because i havent played it but EQ2 players sound more humourus and dont go around calling games they dont play pieces of shit but instead just say their game isnt bad and they provide FACTS to support this, not just random flaming. Sure sometimes they say other games are worse than theirs but they definately dont go around saying other games are crap.
I dont know about gameplay but just coz a game has annoying-to-some-people graphics doesnt mean it's a bad game, i mean the developers cant really make a community can they. But that doesnt also mean that a game with great graphics and good community is a good or bad game.
People complain about WoW servers but there are also graphics stutter issues in EQ2.
Overall they are both the requal so far and i think they are just a matter of personal preference. Dont like a game, dont play it and dont say it's crap coz no one could care less.
There have been many posts that I really want to respond to but I don't have the time, so let me answer a few brief things:
Cleffy,
It's obvoius you have never played EQ2., that fact alone negates most of your opinions as you're only listening to hear say and some screen shots. As far as "white blob graphics and no shading": You can see cheekbones, that's kind of a neat trick without shading don't you think? There are far more things I can break down your "facts" but again I don't have the time right now.
I almost spit milk on my keyboard I laughed so hard at your player housing comment. You tell me which is more limited: Not being able to do much with it, or not having it at all? Great argument there buddy.
EQ2 uses the skill system also, Just like the one WoW took from EQ1. Oops but I'm disputing your "fact" that must mean the game is awful.
That's a great defense by the way Cleffy. Stating some opinions calling them facts, and saying anyone who tries to contridict your "facts" is saying the game is awful. That mkes everything you say true
There were two WoW fans that actually posted very intelligently and I'm sorry I can't remeber your names (you think I would since you're the only two I've ever seen do it) but:
One said asked something to the effet of why I had to compare it to WoW. The reason I did it that way was for Cleffy. I said that WoW fans come in here and say EQ2 is trash and WoW is better, but no one posts the facts as to why. So the point of my post was to put why I think EQ2 is better than WoW. Most of it was my opinion, and while only 20 servers are having trouble, the log in server goes down quite frequently and when that happens it doesn't matter what server you're on, you're not getting in.
I have to disagree on the community issue. I've played EQ1 and while there are jerks, I really have to look for the level of immaturity that I find is the norm on WoW. On WoW I have to look for people I want to hang around with. If you want a quick proof of this, go on any server in EQ and just watch your Chat log for an hour, then do the same on WoW and count the number of times someone calls someone else "noob".
The other one said they aren't coming here anymore due to the fact that it turns into a bash EQ or bash WoW fest: I really hope you stick around. I love debating the merits of each game, with someone intelligent enough to see that you can like a game that has flaws, something I've found very hard to find with the WoW fans around here.
Just a FYI I didnt read half the responses int his thread, tooo long and boring looking.
I will answer what I seen.
No I havent been playing EQ2 for just 1 week. I was in the very FIRST stage of beta. That means I played EQ2 months before any of you most likely.
And all you trolls can send your sisters to my house for pleasing my lovestick. Faggots.
Now fuck off with the trashtalking. Got something to say, I live in Rhode Island, if your within 100 miles put up or shuttup.
Bitches.
Wow, you may want to shut up yourself, you're I.Q. (or lack thereof) is showing.
Looks like we hit a nerve with r1tual. God I love when people act tough over the internet. Your threats are truly intimidating r1tual. I can just imagine your thin little arm punching me through my screen.
Funny enough i have come to realise a vast majority of the trolls have never touched EQ2 and a even larger number has not played the retail.
You have the obvious ones who have done zero research in the game like "i am a level 40 rogue"," i am a level 50 scout" and even more obvious and outright shameful ones like "i dinged level 60 in EQ2 last night and realised how i hate the game".
Some clearly show they never touched the game at all. and did not even bother to read on the game before lying.
Then you have some like cleffy who concide the fact they never played EQ2 more and give a broad 3rd party view but shows obvious flaws in their posts that they have not played the game.At least unlike the level 60 claimants he did bother to read a bit on the game.
My question is simple.Why would people go to such a state to lie about having played and hated the game?
Its sad really considering its only a game.
EQ2 is still a beta version with too many many bugs. The entire game design is flawed.
SOE just want to make money from this game.
It's pain to play EQ2 and I loggin to play EQ2 with pain, it's really a PAINFUL experiences. I want to see how long I can stand for this psychic MMORPG.
The way to torturing yourself is crafting in EQ2. Believe me, craftin in EQ2 is definitely not conisdered as PLAY a game.
The sound is eerie and ruin your nerves system and hearing ability.
I never seen a large company like SOE produced such terrible MMORPG.
This opinion comes from unsatisfied and unhappy current EQ2 player.
Good I hope you leave too
Larry, what bugs are you talking about? Which bugs made the game experience so bad?
You are asking where the dust comes from the air. EQ2 really a bored game. Two months after the game released, EQ2 still like a BETA game. SOE changes the gameplay everyday without let people know what they have been changed.
I suspect EQ2 is OEM product then SOE put them together. Now, there is another team modifying the game everyday, and they said the server needed to backup. This game is completely twisted.
You are asking where the dust comes from the air. EQ2 really a bored game. Two months after the game released, EQ2 still like a BETA game. SOE changes the gameplay everyday without let people know what they have been changed.
I suspect EQ2 is OEM product then SOE put them together. Now, there is another team modifying the game everyday, and they said the server needed to backup. This game is completely twisted.
No, he's actually asking what bugs made the game unplayable for you. Very direct question that you seem to go around without really answering.
If you think EQ2 is boring cool I can accept that, this game is pretty slow moving and isn't for everyone, but when say there are bugs, it would be nice to know what kind of bugs you encountered. I'd also be interested to know what changes have happened that SOE didn't tell us about. Every patch is shown in the login screen
First you complain about bugs, then you complain that there is a team fixing the bugs. Servers do need to be backed up, so if anything happens you don't lose everything. Any IT will tell you 80% of thier job is having good back ups.
After all that, I don't think anyone is sure of what exactly your problem with the game is, other than you think it's boring.
What about the bugs? I can't list all of them here. I am not pay to do that for SOE. I only know I paid SOE to play a buggy game. This game is completely twisted. Just think this way, EQ2 should released one year later. This game still in beta.
Any game with limit on player's side considering as bad design because a good game should be able to allow players to play with maximum fun.
How terrible is EQ2? They limited every steps. It is okay but not really okay to accept if they limited on hunting experiences. Worst than that is they limited on crafting level.
In most people's knowlegements, we know we need more practices to be successful in crafting. But this knowledgement is not for EQ2.
Do you think if you crafting the same item for 1 million times then you would be succesful? NO.
Your success is not based on how skillful and how many times you learned from crafting. EQ2 is controlling the level and decided when and how you are going to level up.
This is really tricky.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
I seem to be saying this a lot, but: You're clueless I'm done.