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Graphics card upgrade question
PC specs:
17 2600 3.4ghz
8gb 1333mhz ram
1tb hd
460psu
HD6770 oem
Would a GTX 460 1gb be a nice little upgrade form this oem 6770? If not any suggestions would be great looking to spend 150-180 dollars at the most. Also it would need to run on a 460psu as I am not going to ugrade that anytime soon. Thanks in advance.
like this card http://www.bestbuy.com/site/EVGA+-+GeForce+GTX+460+1GB+GDDR5+PCI+Express+2.0+Graphics+Card/1700638.p?id=1218282102998&skuId=1700638&st=GTX 460&cp=1&lp=5
I know its Best Buy just curious about the card.
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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-performance-radeon-geforce,3018.html
Very helpful website...click the link for your price range. The site also has extensive charts to compare everything from performance to noise to power draw.
Will check it out thanks
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The 460 would give you a decent boost over that card but it would help if we knew your price range you may be able to get better for your money.
Edit - Do you what the model is for that "460psu"
Well first what type of PSU is it? Just because it says its 460w doesnt mean it actually runs at 460w. There are some crappy PSU on the market that say there 550w when they only output a stable ~250w.
Also, Instead of getting the 460 i would look into getting the 6870, or if you can save up another ~$40 the 6950.
Here is a benchmark of the 460 vs the 6870, and then the 6870 vs 6950
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/290?vs=313
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/290?vs=331
Personally, its not really worth spending the 150-180 dollars for a minimal upgrade, you are far better off for the future to spend more money now for a better GPU thats gonna last you, instead of having to upgrade every couple months.
$150-$180
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Here's a comparison of the two cards you mentioned...the 6770 vs. the GTX 460 -
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-gaming-graphics-charts/compare,2673.html?prod[4831]=on&prod[4919]=on
Looks like a pretty good bump in performance, and the 460 runs cooler and a little quieter. If it were me...considering your other specs, I'd probably try and save up to get something in the $200-$250 range, but I guess that depends somewhat on what you're going to play and what resolution you use.
Well I was going to get a GTX 560 ti but then I would need a PSu upgrade and that just isn't an option right now.
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Edited - holy crap, i hadn't realised Nvidia cards were so cheap for you guys over in the US. 560 Ti all the way, silly performance when overclocked.
Depends on the 460w psu you have, if it's a crap generic one then you'd have to replace it. If its not then you might just get away with it.
I'm going to open my case and check the psu, will post what I found in a few.
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Yeah, post what type of PSU you have. If you have a good one you should be able to handle a decent card, if not i would look into upgrading your PSU first.
I would also check out http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/ - you can see exactly how much of a performace gain you are going to get and compare the price vs performance on the new cards you are looking at
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I know I'm going to take some flak here but the pc is a Dell so the psu is a dell of course.
Dell Model:H460OAD
Paid 400 bucks for the comp so couldn't pass up the deal.
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Google for that model number only brought up this thread.
460 1gb draws more power than the 560 ti, the 560 Ti draws around 100w more than the 6770 and the 460 about 20 more W than that.
Honestly i think you'd be better upgrading the PSU to something decent then getting a good bump via GPU when you can afford it. The 6770 is a decent card and i wouldn't like to upgrade to any of the recommended ones on that PSU, unless you don't mind risk.
Yeah I think I'm going to go for a psu upgrade then get a better card in a month or two. Looking at this psu now.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139020&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-RSSDailyDeals-_-na-_-na&AID=10521304&PID=4176333&SID=5noe9cse8bq3
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Thats a GREAT PSU imo, cant go wrong with that.
if you are buying the PSU today, then newegg has a shell shocker special for powersupply today. that one should be good for your purpose and also should save you some good $. their shell shocker deals are usually pretty good discount. you have to wait till 3pm PST for that discount to be active tho.
here is a review of the powersupply, it's not the best powersupply, but it's also not the most expensive powersupply:D
I have two of those. Awesome power supply. Especially for the price after all the rebates.
Your current power supply is probably a piece of junk. Dell doesn't have any 460 W power supplies are even 80 PLUS certified. There are five 460 W power supplies on New Egg, of which three are definitely junk, one is probably junk, and the Seasonic fanless unit is really nice, but there is absolutely no way that Dell would give you that, when they could save $100 by sending you a piece of junk instead.
So yes, you need a new power supply. The Corsair TX650 V2 that you linked is pretty good. I wouldn't go so far as to call it "great", but it's plenty good enough for most people. If you told Corsair you wanted a great power supply, they'd point you to their AX line, which is great, but also much more expensive.
If you want something cheaper that is also pretty good, then try this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371047
Both that and the Corsair TX650 V2 that you linked are actually made by Seasonic.
For a video card, $160 is entirely too much to pay for a GeForce GTX 460. That puts it in the same price range as a much faster Radeon HD 6870.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102948
A GeForce GTX 460 will use more power than a Radeon HD 6870, but less than a GeForce GTX 560 Ti, which is also more expensive. It's not quite true to think of the GTX 560 Ti and GTX 460 as different bins of the same die, but it's pretty close, and they get you about the same performance per watt. The GTX 560 Ti gets you more performance, at the expense of more power consumption and a higher price tag that pushes it out of your price range.
There are some other things you need to check before upgrading. One is to make sure that things will physically fit. Measure the power supply and make sure the power supply you want to get will physically fit in the case. Sometimes Dell uses non-standard form factors, so that most power supplies won't fit. Vendor lock-in at its finest.
You'll also need to make sure that there is room for your video card to physically fit in the case. Higher end video cards tend to be longer, and may not fit in some cases.
You should also worry about having adequate airflow. Dell cases tend not to come with much airflow. If all you've got is a single case fan trying to cool a gaming system, an internal exhaust video card is a non-starter, as that will make your system overheat. An internal exhaust card is fine for a case with plenty of airflow, but for most Dell cases, you'll have to either go external exhaust or low power on the video card. And low power won't be an upgrade.
Thanks for all your answers guys. I knew when I got a Dell XPS 8300 it might be hard to do some upgrades. However I got the comp really cheap through a family member so couldn't pass it up. Seems to be running everything I play on it fine at high settings at 1920x1080 so will probably just keep it as is for now. As long as I can run BF3 at even medium settings I will be happy.
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I love the advice you give but case airflow is something you and others over rate greatly when it comes to cases. You could have a case with the shittiest airflow in the world and takes its side off and run todays and yesterdays hardware without a single problem and not even come close to over heating. The requirements for case cooling vary wildy depending on where you live and your climate.
I tend to agree with you, I have owned multiple Brand name comps over the years that I have put better cards in and have never had an overheat issue with the stock cooling in the case. I'm not saying it can't happen just saying it hasn't to me.....knock on wood.
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^^ Quizz is right, i totally forgot that tell makes things in different specs and sizes. Just took about my buddies old Dell XPS...wow
The motherboard was backwards, the cpu placement was totally whack, the powersupple what like a perfect square instead of being a rectangle, the pci/pcie slots where totally switched around and all whacky, the way harddrives sat verticle and the cd drivers where right behind the cpu.... it was just a mess on how dell makes computers. So like quiz said, make sure these new parts will actually fit, because i know they wouldnt in my friends old XPS.
Well I do know that the PCi slot is seated so the gpu is installed with the fans down. Never seen that in any of my other comps
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dell actually uses the BTX form factor on alot of their machines. I guess they got a good deal with intel for the license. I've always liked BTX, it's too bad that it didn't catch on.