Eu players... selfish?

superpata

Does anyone feels that eu players are being selfish about the 2nd phase?

I mean, you go to the official eu forums and you just see players whining about how bad the character wipe will be and that they want retail as soon as possible, forgetting that many of us didnt have the luck to enter in the closed beta or to pre order the game to get the final beta key . I know it is a beta but i think eu guys should have the same oportunities (get a chance to test the game at least 14 days or so) as us and korean ones, not to mention blizzard  needs to stress test the servers.  

Neas

i think ure wrong

99.9% of players would pay to play NOW even if they werent in final Beta because WoW is so good.

your the 0.1% of the players who want to 'trial' the game before playing it.

I wish theyd go retail tomorrow.

superpata

dont get me wrong, i would pay to play the game but i know many ppl that havent played any mmorpgs yet, and arent so sure about it(if u think 99% players would play it, ur wrong, at least in my country). Anyway why wouldnt we have a chance to play it in the beta as the other countrys? Many closed testers are selfish and want to rush the game just to level up without being wiped after, so they stopped playing instead of testing the game (especially high end content).This seems unfair to me and thats why blizzard didnt listen to them(at least in my opinion) and will soon stress test the servers to make sure we dont have the same problems as the us had in their release and also to show those unsure players why wow is a great game

superpata

Just one more thing i tried to pre order the game with the pre order key so i could play it earlier, but my country didnt had a chance to do it and the other countrys wouldnt send the pre order kit(with key) here. So I and some friends will just wait till release and buy a CE, if possible

Volkmar

well, i do not know what you are speaking about, friend.

Blizzard already announced the second phase will start soon and more than one post appeared in the forum on the general lines "When the second phase starts? when retail hits? bla bla bla"

Seems all in order, why exactly we would be "selfish"?

superpata

Seems to me that many of closed beta testers are tired of waiting for the release and just want to rush the game. Most of them dont want the "open beta" and beg blizzard to release it or to not wipe their chars, forgetting that many of us didnt had a chance to try the game and the importance of the 2nd phase. Many just think about their gaming experience and quited testing the game because their characters will be wiped. Doesnt this sound selfish? This is why blizzard didnt make an official announcement about the character wipe yet.

Joozt

superpata has a point here. Being a dutchy and not having a closed beta key i feel the same. If you check out the forums all the beta testers ( well not all.. but a lot ) whine about nog getting their chars wiped.. which will ultimately surely happen since this gives those people a headstart on the new players joining in during retail. I've also seen posts about the beta testers wanting to just skip phase 2 and just go retail.. imo there's no problem with that :P the sooner the better but i can understand people wanting to try the game first...

but you get a month free... so trying out shouldnt be to hard..... right? costs a bit but gives a lot in return.

Asmodeus_

i absoultly agree with you patate proboply cuz im dutch

Stuka1000

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Originally posted by Neas

i think ure wrong
99.9% of players would pay to play NOW even if they werent in final Beta because WoW is so good.
your the 0.1% of the players who want to 'trial' the game before playing it.
I wish theyd go retail tomorrow.

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I have been playing WoW on the American servers since release day and trust me here, if the EU version went retail tomorrow suffering all the issues now affecting the NA servers you would be screaming about paying for a beta within the 1st week.

 

Neas

Thats server issues. At the moment the final beta servers are as packed as the american servers. And we dont have the issues you are seeing.

Is because every noob and his dog wanted to go on a high server at the start and now they have some servers with 1000 players and others with 13000 players on it. THis is a major problem you had.

Also i dont know about rushing the game but its been released in america for a loooong time... so why not in eu?.

Also there are guest passes for trial people. This game Doesn't need to trial it to try and get non-mmorpg players in. Its got more european audience already than the american one does.

Besides as someone else already pointed out. It IS going 2nd phase soon. Although i doubt that the 2nd phase will last longer than a week or two and then release.

That is perfectly enough time to get an idea of how the game plays.

superpata

I agree with u neas about the 15 days or so, its enough time . I also agree that blizzard will make a huge sucess in eu but think this way: if they release a trial they will even gather more ppl. They have nothing to lose, besides they need to stress test our servers so we dont have the same problems as the Na version. If u read the annoucement they will test the new servers in frankfurt wich will help us to have a smooth release (at least i hope so).

Spookie

To be honest I wish they would just open the 2nd phase, check the servers can keep up with the load and release. We haven't had a patch to test in months (I'm CB). This is little more than a preview for those who pre-ordered.

I've made about 10 reasonable toons and taking a break before I burn out.

Radmuz

I would imagine that the differences between the code used for the NA version of the game and the European version are minor when looking at all the code used for running the game. Other then language what else would they change? Why would they make it a different game (different content)?

With that in mind I would also bet that our European friends will benefit from the data received post-release on the NA servers. There is more data there then any two week stress test would ever provide.

So if Blizzard does open beta up in Europe like they did in NA it is mostly for publicity and not for their data, although there will be some benefit in ironing out a few minor tweaks. Publicity is not bad for Blizzard though, and gamers do benefit by getting to play for free for a few days. Really the "30 days free" when you buy is not free. You did pay for it when you bought the game. You do not see people who did not pay get the 30 days. I wish that people would say "Your first 30 days of subscription is included in the purchase price of the game" instead. But that is a minor detail and not worth argueing over

superpata

i think they still need to stress test the new servers just to be sure everything will run properly. We are not just talking about the machine specs but also eu isps etc... they will still need to do some minor tests(as you said they learned a lot from the NA so it shouldnt be so complicated this time), im sure, because, as they announced, they will start with a new centre in frankfurt. About the versions in europe, i think they are the same...(except the languages  )some guy even said to me the us client is compatible with the current eu

hercules

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Originally posted by Neas

Thats server issues. At the moment the final beta servers are as packed as the american servers. And we dont have the issues you are seeing.
Is because every noob and his dog wanted to go on a high server at the start and now they have some servers with 1000 players and others with 13000 players on it. THis is a major problem you had.
Also i dont know about rushing the game but its been released in america for a loooong time... so why not in eu?.
Also there are guest passes for trial people. This game Doesn't need to trial it to try and get non-mmorpg players in. Its got more european audience already than the american one does.
Besides as someone else already pointed out. It IS going 2nd phase soon. Although i doubt that the 2nd phase will last longer than a week or two and then release.
That is perfectly enough time to get an idea of how the game plays.

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Hmm how are you sure europe has more of an audience then USA.

From my knowledge of past mmorpg europe always gives a significant lower numbers then NA.

Probably one if not the most successful mmorpg in europe so far is DAoC and it still was not as much as NA sales.

Whats good about the european market is the fans tend to stick longer then NA ones.I am yet to meet a european that did not at least do a year with their favourite mmorpg.Heck all the current UO players i know that are still in the game are all europeans dating back from my 1997 days.

Currently euro beta has 11 english servers (of which 6 are on low pop at about 6pm GMT),6 germans and 3 french.And all of us that pre ordered are in beta now as well as previous beta testers.

So while you could be right how knows i doubt WoW or any mmorpg will hit europe in sales as good as NA.

European mmorpg is really not so big .NA and asia(espically korea) is where the mmorpg audeience is.

everun1

Whatever loser, I want the public beta too.

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Originally posted by Neas
i think ure wrong99.9% of players would pay to play NOW even if they werent in final Beta because WoW is so good.your the 0.1% of the players who want to 'trial' the game before playing it.I wish theyd go retail tomorrow.

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Neas

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Originally posted by everun1
Whatever loser, I want the public beta too.Originally posted by Neas
i think ure wrong99.9% of players would pay to play NOW even if they werent in final Beta because WoW is so good.your the 0.1% of the players who want to 'trial' the game before playing it.I wish theyd go retail tomorrow.

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whatever free game tester.

You just want a free ride and never pay for mmorpgs.. who is the loser?

hercules

Check out the 40 pages of "don't wipe my character " thread in beta section.

Strange how every mmorpg beta i am in there is always such a long thread made by some guy that grinded to max level in beta .

Anyhow,watch out for pahse 2 those that want to try the beta but don't expect it to be too long as this is probably the conclusion of beta.

Last beta is usually only a week then they will close the servers for a few days for a wipe and reboot before retail.

And the 11th of feb seems to be a favourite for retail although the real date is unknown.

Volkmar

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Originally posted by superpata

Seems to me that many of closed beta testers are tired of waiting for the release and just want to rush the game. Most of them dont want the "open beta" and beg blizzard to release it or to not wipe their chars, forgetting that many of us didnt had a chance to try the game and the importance of the 2nd phase. Many just think about their gaming experience and quited testing the game because their characters will be wiped. Doesnt this sound selfish? This is why blizzard didnt make an official announcement about the character wipe yet.

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Blizzard didn't make the wipe announcement in NA server also for a loooong time.

And yeah, there are many Wipe/no wipe threads (many less now that they started locking them) but inside you will see the great majority is for wiping the servers. So a minority do not want wipe, well... that will always happens i suppose.

About the rest, yes, some people ask when it hit retail, but i do not see how asking for that information would deny the second phase alltogether. I saw people asking on behalf of their friends about phase 2 as well, so, again, i really do not see the problem here. A few people are selfish? that is correct but going on and saying "Europeans are selfish" is a bit too wide of a generalization, don't you think?

Silver.

Too mutch to read.
I'll just post a :P

darkman

Consider phase2 of the final beta as a trial, because think about it, the free month of playing you have to use your Credit Card anyway (or whatever payment method you use), so the free month is INCLUDED with your payment towards the game, where as phase2 of the final beta is a risk free trial, where people can play and see if they like it. OF course, many Europeans have already played the game and decided that already, but there still are a good number of Europeans who haven't yet I would imagine, so cut them some slack.

Classicstar

im glad they whipe and no euro players not more selfish then US players much whining there about whipe on close beta forums to in US.

 

raneb

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Originally posted by darkman

Consider phase2 of the final beta as a trial, because think about it, the free month of playing you have to use your Credit Card anyway (or whatever payment method you use), so the free month is INCLUDED with your payment towards the game, where as phase2 of the final beta is a risk free trial, where people can play and see if they like it. OF course, many Europeans have already played the game and decided that already, but there still are a good number of Europeans who haven't yet I would imagine, so cut them some slack.

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mmm nope the free month is free. the game is 49.99 even not online games are that price. 49.99 is a pretty common price for games those days, that they are online or not. The credit card is used only to proof your age mostly and for kids that proof that your parents authorize you to play.

darkman

The free trial is free yes, but it does require for you to use your credit card or whatever other method you use to pay for the game monthly, and I believe you have to at least put down 1 month down before your free trial starts. So in essence, it's not really a trial. But it is 1 month free.

raneb

as i say the use of the credit is a proof of age and that you can pay.

i dont think you have to pay 1 month down. personally i didnt. My first month is totally free and i begin to pay at the of the 1rst month. If you dont love the game after the 1rst month you just cancel your account and all you have paid is the game, no more no less. they give you a free month to try the game so yes its a trial.

Bombastuss

Hello!

I'm a WoW beta tester and I think that the beta is quite good for people to explore and learn a little about the game and stuff, (but then we have the hard core players who wants to learn everything about the game before it's eaven released) like try different races and then recomend to their friends and stuff so that not only the tester gets to learn about the game. I mean i really want the game to finaly release but there's no need to rush... So why just don't we all sit down and be patient cuz in the end I don't think any beta character will escape beeing wiped in the end.

And one last thing... WoW rules if you play the beta you're lucky and if you're not then you have something great to look forward too