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Will the NDA be dropped at all?

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  • fonyfony Member Posts: 755

    expect the NDA to last until dec. 20 and a review embargo until the 24th.

  • Xondar123Xondar123 Member CommonPosts: 2,543

    Nope, the NDA will never, ever be lifted. People who subscribe after launch will never be able to talk about the game ever.

  • ThomasN7ThomasN7 87.18.7.148Member CommonPosts: 6,690

    Thye will keep NDA up until the last minute because well, you guys played AOC right ?

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  • Xondar123Xondar123 Member CommonPosts: 2,543

    Originally posted by maskedweasel

    Originally posted by Fratman


    Originally posted by BadSpock

    Hey here's a great idea - let's give people all of the details and plot points of a story based game before it's released!

    That way, people don't even need to buy the game to know the story!

    It's like watching a movie illegally before it's released or reading the cliff-notes version before reading a book..

    Seriously, how spoiled, ignorant, and clueless is the average MMO gamer?

     

    Despite what haters on this website may tell you, TOR is NOT your typical MMORPG and I for one hope they NEVER drop the NDA so I am not as tempted by spoilers.

     

    I know rite? I hate when mmo developers drop their NDA and then someone comes over to my house and forces me to watch gameplay videos and spoilers at gunpoint.

    It doesn't take someone forcing you to do anything,  all it takes is for you to get on a forum vader is lukes father and you could accidentally read something you didn't want to.

    OMG!!!!!! Spoilers!!!!!

  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,195

    Originally posted by empyros

    Originally posted by maskedweasel


    Originally posted by Fratman


    Originally posted by BadSpock

    Hey here's a great idea - let's give people all of the details and plot points of a story based game before it's released!

    That way, people don't even need to buy the game to know the story!

    It's like watching a movie illegally before it's released or reading the cliff-notes version before reading a book..

    Seriously, how spoiled, ignorant, and clueless is the average MMO gamer?

     

    Despite what haters on this website may tell you, TOR is NOT your typical MMORPG and I for one hope they NEVER drop the NDA so I am not as tempted by spoilers.

     

    I know rite? I hate when mmo developers drop their NDA and then someone comes over to my house and forces me to watch gameplay videos and spoilers at gunpoint.

    It doesn't take someone forcing you to do anything,  all it takes is for you to get on a forum vader is lukes father and you could accidentally read something you didn't want to.

    Learn to stay away from forums? 

     

    I mean, really, how much hand-holding and molly-coddling are Americans really wanting these days? It's unfortunate. 

     

    And it's a shame about the NDA, really. 

    I can see them not dropping it till a week or two before release simply because the game might be subpar, or grossly unfinished. 

    Sure, you could see them doing that,  but you won't



  • ZylaxxZylaxx Member Posts: 2,574

    I would say probably not, but then again it isnt that hard to ascertain the gameplay elements if you just look long enough, because it is out there.

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  • pharazonicpharazonic Member Posts: 860

    Originally posted by maskedweasel

    Originally posted by empyros


    Originally posted by maskedweasel


    Originally posted by Fratman


    Originally posted by BadSpock

    Hey here's a great idea - let's give people all of the details and plot points of a story based game before it's released!

    That way, people don't even need to buy the game to know the story!

    It's like watching a movie illegally before it's released or reading the cliff-notes version before reading a book..

    Seriously, how spoiled, ignorant, and clueless is the average MMO gamer?

     

    Despite what haters on this website may tell you, TOR is NOT your typical MMORPG and I for one hope they NEVER drop the NDA so I am not as tempted by spoilers.

     

    I know rite? I hate when mmo developers drop their NDA and then someone comes over to my house and forces me to watch gameplay videos and spoilers at gunpoint.

    It doesn't take someone forcing you to do anything,  all it takes is for you to get on a forum vader is lukes father and you could accidentally read something you didn't want to.

    Learn to stay away from forums? 

     

    I mean, really, how much hand-holding and molly-coddling are Americans really wanting these days? It's unfortunate. 

     

    And it's a shame about the NDA, really. 

    I can see them not dropping it till a week or two before release simply because the game might be subpar, or grossly unfinished. 

    Sure, you could see them doing that,  but you won't

     

    That is your warped inference, not mine. 

    As far as I am concerned, an NDA-free beta 2 weeks before release is beyond useless, especially in this day and age.  The gaming industry has evolved to a point where buyers know and ought to know what exactly they are paying for. So BioWarEA has already failed in one aspect of developing this game. 

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  • tyrannistyrannis Member Posts: 198

    Originally posted by VowOfSilence

    Title kinda says it all... Only 2 months till launch, is there any estimate when the NDA will be dropped? Or not at all?

    VowOfSilence? Ironic.

     

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  • ShredderSEShredderSE Member Posts: 197

    Originally posted by twodayslate

    I seem to recall them saying something about there not being an open beta, due to the preorder numbers.  Although, if you know where to look, the NDA is already as good as down.

    I don't know where to look. Halp! All I find are old movie clips. imageimageimage

  • ArcheAgeArcheAge Member Posts: 363

    Originally posted by maskedweasel

    Originally posted by Fratman

     

    Let the NDA go too early and a lot more people will flood the forums to get the information over items they can't get their hands on just yet.

    Drop the NDA for a week or two before launch or early access,  and when you get in, you get the full experience,  not spoiled milk.

    This is a great example of the authoritarian themeparker mindset that most people subscribe to today. It's the idea that players need to be protected from themselves and others by the Developers at all times. And apparently not just in game either, but even in the real world too. 

     

    Just about every beta I've been in I write a pretty comprehensive conclusion once the NDA drops,  and sometimes, in some cases, I'll even write a guide or two or a list of things I think new players should know.

     

    If you look at my post history I've done that quite a few times over the years.  I'll write it in a "review" form letting players know my opinions on the good and bad,  but what I always omit are spoilers about quests,  major objectives,  boss mechanics,  thorough crafting catalogs,  and a whole slew of other situational information.

     

    If you are wanting to play the game, play the damn game,  if you don't want to play the game and be an armchair player and pretend you know everything thats going on,  go right ahead and enjoy the spoilers, and your vicarious playing of a game you never played yourself but take interest in only to be a detriment to others.   

     

    Themeparker mindset or not,  a fun game is a fun game no matter if its themepark or sandbox or single player or browser based.   Spoilers are a big part of games and movies and most forms of entertainment.   You'd think people would understand that after more than 30 years of gaming.

    God you talk so rubbish man lol.

    Dropping the NDA has nothing to do with spoilers or story lol. 

    How you expect anyone to actually take you seriously is beyond me.

    How about they drop the NDA and YOU don't look at anything about the game while we have a good look on how the game runs and what all the beta testers are saying.

    If you want to play the game,play the damn game. If you don't want to know what the game plays and runs like then be an armchair persons who has their eyes shut anytime anything comes on about SWTOR .

    Seeing how the game plays and reading what beta tester have to say without fear of backlash is a big part of any mmo release. You'd think people like yourself would understand that after your so called years MMO gaming.

    Stick to your reviews lol.

  • RequiamerRequiamer Member Posts: 2,034

    Originally posted by ShredderSE

    Originally posted by twodayslate

    I seem to recall them saying something about there not being an open beta, due to the preorder numbers.  Although, if you know where to look, the NDA is already as good as down.

    I don't know where to look. Halp! All I find are old movie clips. imageimageimage

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/284296/DO-NOT-Post-LinksImages-to-Game-Testing-Material.html

  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,195

    Originally posted by ArcheAge

    Originally posted by maskedweasel


    Originally posted by Fratman

     

    Let the NDA go too early and a lot more people will flood the forums to get the information over items they can't get their hands on just yet.

    Drop the NDA for a week or two before launch or early access,  and when you get in, you get the full experience,  not spoiled milk.

    This is a great example of the authoritarian themeparker mindset that most people subscribe to today. It's the idea that players need to be protected from themselves and others by the Developers at all times. And apparently not just in game either, but even in the real world too. 

     

    Just about every beta I've been in I write a pretty comprehensive conclusion once the NDA drops,  and sometimes, in some cases, I'll even write a guide or two or a list of things I think new players should know.

     

    If you look at my post history I've done that quite a few times over the years.  I'll write it in a "review" form letting players know my opinions on the good and bad,  but what I always omit are spoilers about quests,  major objectives,  boss mechanics,  thorough crafting catalogs,  and a whole slew of other situational information.

     

    If you are wanting to play the game, play the damn game,  if you don't want to play the game and be an armchair player and pretend you know everything thats going on,  go right ahead and enjoy the spoilers, and your vicarious playing of a game you never played yourself but take interest in only to be a detriment to others.   

     

    Themeparker mindset or not,  a fun game is a fun game no matter if its themepark or sandbox or single player or browser based.   Spoilers are a big part of games and movies and most forms of entertainment.   You'd think people would understand that after more than 30 years of gaming.

    God you talk so rubbish man lol.

    Dropping the NDA has nothing to do with spoilers or story lol. 

    How you expect anyone to actually take you seriously is beyond me.

    How about they drop the NDA and YOU don't look at anything about the game while we have a good look on how the game runs and what all the beta testers are saying.

    If you want to play the game,play the damn game. If you don't want to know what the game plays and runs like then be an armchair persons who has their eyes shut anytime anything comes on about SWTOR .

    Seeing how the game plays and reading what beta tester have to say without fear of backlash is a big part of any mmo release. You'd think people like yourself would understand that after your so called years MMO gaming.

    Stick to your reviews lol.

    Lol, I am playing the game, and I know what testers are saying.  I wouldn't spoil any surprises for anyone, and neither will BioWare,  thats why they've said numerous times that they won't release all the information on the game before launch... they are looking for people to play their game,  be surprised and have a good time.  If you want to read the spoilers, as part of learning about the mechanics months before the game is out, ask a less reputable tester to write you a book.

     

    My reviews always outline mechanics and gameplay impressions.  Hell I have some really fantastic stuff planned that will be very helpful in deciphering the average consensus,  but all that will be released once the NDA drops and none of it will be from asshats looking to release spoilers.

     

     



  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,195

    Originally posted by empyros

    Originally posted by maskedweasel


    Originally posted by empyros


    Originally posted by maskedweasel


    Originally posted by Fratman


    Originally posted by BadSpock

    Hey here's a great idea - let's give people all of the details and plot points of a story based game before it's released!

    That way, people don't even need to buy the game to know the story!

    It's like watching a movie illegally before it's released or reading the cliff-notes version before reading a book..

    Seriously, how spoiled, ignorant, and clueless is the average MMO gamer?

     

    Despite what haters on this website may tell you, TOR is NOT your typical MMORPG and I for one hope they NEVER drop the NDA so I am not as tempted by spoilers.

     

    I know rite? I hate when mmo developers drop their NDA and then someone comes over to my house and forces me to watch gameplay videos and spoilers at gunpoint.

    It doesn't take someone forcing you to do anything,  all it takes is for you to get on a forum vader is lukes father and you could accidentally read something you didn't want to.

    Learn to stay away from forums? 

     

    I mean, really, how much hand-holding and molly-coddling are Americans really wanting these days? It's unfortunate. 

     

    And it's a shame about the NDA, really. 

    I can see them not dropping it till a week or two before release simply because the game might be subpar, or grossly unfinished. 

    Sure, you could see them doing that,  but you won't

     

    That is your warped inference, not mine. 

    As far as I am concerned, an NDA-free beta 2 weeks before release is beyond useless, especially in this day and age.  The gaming industry has evolved to a point where buyers know and ought to know what exactly they are paying for. So BioWarEA has already failed in one aspect of developing this game. 

     

     

    You mean like... waiting to purchase something until they are sure they want it?  You do realize you can buy the game AFTER it releases right?   This isn't BioWares first game,  and this will likely not be most players first BioWare title, or game purchase whatsoever.  If you have any questions,  wait.  If not,  then its your decision and if you buy a game you don't like... then live with your decision. The company didn't force you to buy it..... now did they?



  • AutemOxAutemOx Member Posts: 1,704

    SWTOR are also VERY tightly controlling their forums and preview information.  The tight control over their information to the media is telling.  The 10 minute heavily scripted preview at eurogamer conference and what one preview describes as 'only a handful of PCs to test the game on' at the conferences is also telling.  Theres a lot of other bad signs too, we will have to wait and see, but I expect Bioware is hoping for A LOT of sales directly at release.

    And I doubt they want people who are preordering to get to try the game before its released, or those people buying the preorders might want a refund/won't want to buy the full game.

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  • mrw0lfmrw0lf Member Posts: 2,269

    So people are having problems finding views/opinions/information/gameplay of this game? I've seen released games with fewer gameplay videos, reviews, Q&A's, skill point builders, walkthrough's. I don't think anyone is really taking this NDA seriously at all apart from those in the profession and if you ever listen to those "previews" you need help.

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  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,195

    Originally posted by wormywyrm

    SWTOR are also VERY tightly controlling their forums and preview information.  The tight control over their information to the media is telling.  The 10 minute heavily scripted preview at eurogamer conference and what one preview describes as 'only a handful of PCs to test the game on' at the conferences is also telling.  Theres a lot of other bad signs too, we will have to wait and see, but I expect Bioware is hoping for A LOT of sales directly at release.

    And I doubt they want people who are preordering to get to try the game before its released, or those people buying the preorders might want a refund/won't want to buy the full game.

     

     

    The majority of people who preordered will be able to try it before release, for nearly 3 days.  Thats one of the major points of the testing weekends.   You keep talking abotu 10 minutes at a small show, when the largest shows of the year had tons of PCs and still had players marching around the corner to play it.   On top of that,  since you know so much,  how many PCs did they have at eurogamer in comparison to other companies?  

     

    Someone actually posted the numbers of PCs in another thread, directly to you,  and I'm sure you know now that the information you're trying to peddle is less then reputable.  They didn't have a small amount of PCs for playing at all at the convention.   Also,   take a look at MMORPG.coms gameplay reviews,  most of the staff here has played it at conventions and got much more than 10 minutes.  MMORPG.com has been very even handed with their coverage too,  they aren't all shiny when it comes to SWTOR.



  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,195

    Originally posted by Biggus99

    {mod edit}

     

    No,  they won't... they'll still be here complaining,  we just won't be here listening anymore.  They'll get a silent victory while SWTORs sales take off.  They're already in denial.



  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,990

    Bioware needs to release new info about the game to keep it in news and keep the hype up. If they dropped the NDA and revealed everything now, it would be hard for them to keep releasing new things to keep the hype up for the next 2 months.

     
  • DarkPonyDarkPony Member Posts: 5,566

    Originally posted by wormywyrm

    SWTOR are also VERY tightly controlling their forums and preview information.  The tight control over their information to the media is telling.  The 10 minute heavily scripted preview at eurogamer conference and what one preview describes as 'only a handful of PCs to test the game on' at the conferences is also telling.  Theres a lot of other bad signs too, we will have to wait and see, but I expect Bioware is hoping for A LOT of sales directly at release.

    And I doubt they want people who are preordering to get to try the game before its released, or those people buying the preorders might want a refund/won't want to buy the full game.

    DOOM!!!

    *insert ominous bell tolling*

    You forget that you can't controll the surfacing of information when it's of any real importance: if the game would have severe issues in one form or another, we would have heard about all across the interwebz ... loudly. The fact that we don't is very reassuring in fact. The flow of leaks is a trickle at best. That tells me there aren't any big skeletons in the closet.

    The amount of pc's and time available at a conference doesn't mean anything at all. They already had a two day hands-on event months ago for press so they aren't at all that secretive as you make it sound.

     

     

  • CorehavenCorehaven Member UncommonPosts: 1,533

    Originally posted by maskedweasel

    Originally posted by Biggus99

    {mod edit}

     

    No,  they won't... they'll still be here complaining,  we just won't be here listening anymore.  They'll get a silent victory while SWTORs sales take off.  They're already in denial.

     

    Ive been labeled as a hater.   And yea, Ive been pretty darn critical of the direction Swtor is going in and of Bioware in general.  I got an invite for this weekend.  Im going to try and do my job and write as many bug reports and give as much feedback as I can.  I'll never break the NDA, but if I find myself wrong, believe me, I will come here and say so.  I'll stand up and admit Im wrong.  And thats all I'll say.   If I still find it dissapointing or dont like it, I'll not make a big deal about it, but if I feel the game is excellent, I will make a big deal about that.  I promise you. 

     

    As far as the NDA being released?  I see no need for them to do that until early access starts.  At all.  December is approaching fast.  People are saying they're hiding but to assume that right now is rediculous because the game is still several months away.  Im not aware that games release the NDA quite this far back. 

     

    In fact, if the game is going to do as well as you think it will, and be as good as you assume its going to be, they dont need to release the NDA in that case either.  Whats the difference if the NDA is released a month early or right at release if the game is excellent?  Its going to sell regardless and its probably safer to just keep it intact. 

  • DarkPonyDarkPony Member Posts: 5,566

    Originally posted by Corehaven

    Originally posted by maskedweasel


    Originally posted by Biggus99

    {mod edit}

     

    No,  they won't... they'll still be here complaining,  we just won't be here listening anymore.  They'll get a silent victory while SWTORs sales take off.  They're already in denial.

     

    Ive been labeled as a hater.   And yea, Ive been pretty darn critical of the direction Swtor is going in and of Bioware in general.  I got an invite for this weekend.  Im going to try and do my job and write as many bug reports and give as much feedback as I can.  I'll never break the NDA, but if I find myself wrong, believe me, I will come here and say so.  I'll stand up and admit Im wrong.  And thats all I'll say.   If I still find it dissapointing or dont like it, I'll not make a big deal about it, but if I feel the game is excellent, I will make a big deal about that.  I promise you. 

     

    As far as the NDA being released?  I see no need for them to do that until early access starts.  At all.  December is approaching fast.  People are saying they're hiding but to assume that right now is rediculous because the game is still several months away.  Im not aware that games release the NDA quite this far back. 

     

    In fact, if the game is going to do as well as you think it will, and be as good as you assume its going to be, they dont need to release the NDA in that case either.  Whats the difference if the NDA is released a month early or right at release if the game is excellent?  Its going to sell regardless and its probably safer to just keep it intact. 

    I appreciate that, mister Haven.

    *offers a slightly nibbled on carrot as a token of gratitude*

     

  • Xondar123Xondar123 Member CommonPosts: 2,543

    Originally posted by Vrika

    Bioware needs to release new info about the game to keep it in news and keep the hype up. If they dropped the NDA and revealed everything now, it would be hard for them to keep releasing new things to keep the hype up for the next 2 months.

    Bioware doesn't "need" to do anything as long as they plan to have massive beta testing weekends. Sheer word of mouth will do that job for them.

  • BadSpockBadSpock Member UncommonPosts: 7,979

    Originally posted by Corehaven

    Ive been labeled as a hater.   And yea, Ive been pretty darn critical of the direction Swtor is going in and of Bioware in general.  I got an invite for this weekend.  Im going to try and do my job and write as many bug reports and give as much feedback as I can.  I'll never break the NDA, but if I find myself wrong, believe me, I will come here and say so.  I'll stand up and admit Im wrong.  And thats all I'll say.   If I still find it dissapointing or dont like it, I'll not make a big deal about it, but if I feel the game is excellent, I will make a big deal about that.  I promise you. 

    As far as the NDA being released?  I see no need for them to do that until early access starts.  At all.  December is approaching fast.  People are saying they're hiding but to assume that right now is rediculous because the game is still several months away.  Im not aware that games release the NDA quite this far back. 

    In fact, if the game is going to do as well as you think it will, and be as good as you assume its going to be, they dont need to release the NDA in that case either.  Whats the difference if the NDA is released a month early or right at release if the game is excellent?  Its going to sell regardless and its probably safer to just keep it intact. 

    Dude you are becoming one of my favorite posters. Maybe it's my hardcore nerd-rage man-love for all things Nathan Fillion?

    I wonder if this is why Bioware has refused (thus far) to give me a beta weekend invite, they know I'm a fan and are giving their invites to self-proclaimed "haters" to turn them to the dark side?

    I can keep telling myself that... helps me sleep at night.

  • Creslin321Creslin321 Member Posts: 5,359

    Originally posted by BadSpock

    Originally posted by Corehaven

    Ive been labeled as a hater.   And yea, Ive been pretty darn critical of the direction Swtor is going in and of Bioware in general.  I got an invite for this weekend.  Im going to try and do my job and write as many bug reports and give as much feedback as I can.  I'll never break the NDA, but if I find myself wrong, believe me, I will come here and say so.  I'll stand up and admit Im wrong.  And thats all I'll say.   If I still find it dissapointing or dont like it, I'll not make a big deal about it, but if I feel the game is excellent, I will make a big deal about that.  I promise you. 

    As far as the NDA being released?  I see no need for them to do that until early access starts.  At all.  December is approaching fast.  People are saying they're hiding but to assume that right now is rediculous because the game is still several months away.  Im not aware that games release the NDA quite this far back. 

    In fact, if the game is going to do as well as you think it will, and be as good as you assume its going to be, they dont need to release the NDA in that case either.  Whats the difference if the NDA is released a month early or right at release if the game is excellent?  Its going to sell regardless and its probably safer to just keep it intact. 

    Dude you are becoming one of my favorite posters. Maybe it's my hardcore nerd-rage man-love for all things Nathan Fillion?

    I wonder if this is why Bioware has refused (thus far) to give me a beta weekend invite, they know I'm a fan and are giving their invites to self-proclaimed "haters" to turn them to the dark side?

    I can keep telling myself that... helps me sleep at night.

    I'm pretty sure they just pick names out of a hat :).  I'm sure they have no clue about the beta applicants' posting history or feelings toward the game.

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  • BadSpockBadSpock Member UncommonPosts: 7,979

    Originally posted by Creslin321

    Originally posted by BadSpock

    Dude you are becoming one of my favorite posters. Maybe it's my hardcore nerd-rage man-love for all things Nathan Fillion?

    I wonder if this is why Bioware has refused (thus far) to give me a beta weekend invite, they know I'm a fan and are giving their invites to self-proclaimed "haters" to turn them to the dark side?

    I can keep telling myself that... helps me sleep at night.

    I'm pretty sure they just pick names out of a hat :).  I'm sure they have no clue about the beta applicants' posting history or feelings toward the game.

    Apparently I didn't convey my sarcasm and joking attitude properly.

    Thank you, Captain Obvious! :)

    JK mate

    P.S. I wonder what kind of hat it is? Like the sorting hat from HP or more like a Storm Trooper helmet?

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