Originally posted by Comaf Originally posted by afhn2110 I know a lot of pvpers that were really looking forward to pvp with this game, me being one. I had the chance to speak with Ragnar 1 on 1, and found that he's a great guy with a vision. The sad thing is, to those pvpers that are looking for open world pvp....your not in his vision. I asked about the fact that we have three factions, so I'm assuming that means we can fight in open world when crossing factions. The response was, "good question, while the three factions don't like one another, they understand that they need to work together to defeat the forces (npcs) and therefor there is governing body that sets rules amongst the three factions." He went on to say that there will be battlegrounds type of pvp, but absolutely no world pvp when I spoked to him after the panel. I even asked about the opportunity for a pvp server where the factions could fight one another and he said it wouldn't even be considored because it doesn't fit the game. He did say that if the communty demanded clan war deccing on the forums, then he'd considor that. So, while a great guy...and probably a great pve game based on what I saw, if you are looking for the open world pvp, whether it be faction based on ffa, its not here. This was such a heartbreaker for me...
Developers are gifted at making grandiose mistakes such as this. Whatever corporate suit and tie guy that convinced these people to do this should be flogged. A lot of us A LOT have been waiting for a 3 faction mmorpg (That third realm wild card breaks the boring 2 faction stalemate that dries up so many mmorpgs).... And then to see that they have no factional pvp - my god. How long before Free to Play? Not long. They will of course let us know after the game fails to bring in a decent sub population that (a) they have a great population (b) that they are doing us a favor by making it Free to Play.
Waiting on the Messiah apparently to bring us a 3 faction mmorpg that has factional pvp. /sigh Here's to shooting yourselves in the foot TSW!!! /slap
Developers make grandiose mistakes and players with no development experience make grandiose claims. Seems legit.
You may be overestimating the number of people who are looking forward to open world pvp versus the number of people who are just fine with a PvE game.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Originally posted by Levark the secret world where everything is true, except pvp
Except there is PvP. There's even a zone with persistent, faction based World PvP.
Unfortunately there is a limit of 50 per faction for that persistent warzone, otherwise I would be ecstatic. Never really cared one way or another about open world, but always loved the frontier type zones of daoc.
One wonders, or at least I do, if open world pvp (faction based) is the holy grail, why aren't the people who want it discussing it on the Dominus forums instead of bagging on games that do not do what they want? I guess that would make too much sense.
** edit ** Not referring to you, Vynt specifically, just wondering.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
One wonders, or at least I do, if open world pvp (faction based) is the holy grail, why aren't the people who want it discussing it on the Dominus forums instead of bagging on games that do not do what they want? I guess that would make too much sense.
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Not referring to you, Vynt specifically, just wondering.
Maybe people who like open world PvP aren't interested in some cartoonish alien looking game that most of us have never heard of before.
the secret world where everything is true, except pvp
Except there is PvP. There's even a zone with persistent, faction based World PvP.
Unfortunately there is a limit of 50 per faction for that persistent warzone, otherwise I would be ecstatic.
Never really cared one way or another about open world, but always loved the frontier type zones of daoc.
I wonder if that has to do anything with limits to TSW / AoC engine.
It is not handling big / crowded areas very well.
AoC has loads of load screens
yeah I dont think they will hold such big battles as daoc unfortunately, daoc was such a great game, i doubt we will ever see anything with as great pvp again. but its a simmilar setup, several persistent ares, 3 sides, 4"keeps" within each zone, faction wide bonuses for holding each zone, uber bonus for holding all zones. Size wise from videos the zones look pretty big, maybe not as big as daoc frontiers, but probably bigger than WAR rvr lakes.
With this and GW2 and other smaller games like dominus nice to see upcoming mmos taking their pvp cues from daoc rather than the getting stale fast wow type pvp.
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And then to see that they have no factional pvp - my god. How long before Free to Play? Not long. They will of course let us know after the game fails to bring in a decent sub population that (a) they have a great population (b) that they are doing us a favor by making it Free to Play.
Waiting on the Messiah apparently to bring us a 3 faction mmorpg that has factional pvp.
/sigh Here's to shooting yourselves in the foot TSW!!! /slap
Developers make grandiose mistakes and players with no development experience make grandiose claims. Seems legit.
You may be overestimating the number of people who are looking forward to open world pvp versus the number of people who are just fine with a PvE game.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Unfortunately there is a limit of 50 per faction for that persistent warzone, otherwise I would be ecstatic.
Never really cared one way or another about open world, but always loved the frontier type zones of daoc.
One wonders, or at least I do, if open world pvp (faction based) is the holy grail, why aren't the people who want it discussing it on the Dominus forums instead of bagging on games that do not do what they want? I guess that would make too much sense.
** edit **
Not referring to you, Vynt specifically, just wondering.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Maybe people who like open world PvP aren't interested in some cartoonish alien looking game that most of us have never heard of before.
I wonder if that has to do anything with limits to TSW / AoC engine.
It is not handling big / crowded areas very well.
AoC has loads of load screens
warzones not warzone, there is more than 1, just don't know how many yet. Also the 50 faction cap is a guestimate, we dont know yet.
so rift for instance is a better game for pvpers than tsw or gw2???
yeah I dont think they will hold such big battles as daoc unfortunately, daoc was such a great game, i doubt we will ever see anything with as great pvp again. but its a simmilar setup, several persistent ares, 3 sides, 4"keeps" within each zone, faction wide bonuses for holding each zone, uber bonus for holding all zones. Size wise from videos the zones look pretty big, maybe not as big as daoc frontiers, but probably bigger than WAR rvr lakes.
With this and GW2 and other smaller games like dominus nice to see upcoming mmos taking their pvp cues from daoc rather than the getting stale fast wow type pvp.