All I can say is we need 2 accept that Rift is here, and it is here 2 stay
I love the game, by far the best MMO I have played too date, and I have played
them all.
Animation in this game rocks, If you don't see it, you don't know crap about animation
Just by the way, I am an animator
Anyhow Rift Rocks! And life goes on! And all you haters go hate on SOE
When we are asked a question of if Rift feels like Vanilla WoW and why or why not, the author is asking for opinions both positive and negative. Getting mad that there are negative things in a thread asking for it is silly.
Question Of The Video: Do you play/played Rift? If so, do you think it feels like Vanilla WoW? Why or why not?
I'd say "no way". It's more like WOTLK imo.
Vanilla WoW (or even Burning Crusade) required actual skill from every class to play and crowd control was a necessity or you didn't finish things, especially boss fights. There were no macro programs like DBM or Decurvise or any of that for the most part.
WOTLK was go in a dungeon, Tank AoE taunt, DPS AoE nukes, Healer AoE heal. Rinse/repeat until dungeon is clear. It was the easiest mashup of play I'd ever seen in a game. Rift actually was EASIER than that due to it's macros and dumb AI.
Rift isn't even worthy of a Burning Crusade comparsion. Rift you can play the PvE side with three or four macros and that's it, no matter which class you play. There simply isn't much challenge at all when comparing to Vanilla WoW, sorry.
Everyone is so boring with this storyes about WOW clones.... every single game is WOW clone so far.... i really dont care.... i know games are similar.... have some same things but in diferent package... but if you look it like than every song is similar..... all songs have notes.......... in different package..... so pls STOP IT.... if you dont like it dont play it.... some of us really dont care you dont like it..
Everythings only a WoW clone because WoW was extremely popular. Not because it is a clone at all. Everything in terms is a clone, movies are clones of one enougher most of the time with new twists and turns, Rift is the same, athough it is different the similaritys shine through. Thats how society is.
You could not be more wrong. Rift is a WoW clone because it used WoW for a blueprint. Almost every single system in the game is based off the same system exactly how it appears in WoW. It goes beyond the genre similarities. Read my post earlier about it. Its impossible to take anyone seriously who does not admit it is a WoW clone.
People need to get over themselves by trying to say Rift isn't a WoW clone: It is, get over it. If its done right thats not a bad thing. For many people, it is done right.
you didnt read what i wrote.... i didnt say it isnt wow clone... i said its boring that people compare this games with wow.... rift is new game... so its better... before coloured TV there was black and white TV.... things evolve.... well there will always be people that like old TV more but gues what... i llike colored.... young girls are better than old ones.... well not in bed!!!
Everyone is so boring with this storyes about WOW clones.... every single game is WOW clone so far.... i really dont care.... i know games are similar.... have some same things but in diferent package... but if you look it like than every song is similar..... all songs have notes.......... in different package..... so pls STOP IT.... if you dont like it dont play it.... some of us really dont care you dont like it..
you didnt read what i wrote.... i didnt say it isnt wow clone... i said its boring that people compare this games with wow.... rift is new game... so its better... before coloured TV there was black and white TV.... things evolve.... well there will always be people that like old TV more but gues what... i llike colored.... young girls are better than old ones.... well not in bed!!!
You basically said all MMOs are WoW clones because of the genre, which isnt the case. Not all games take WoW as their skeleton and base all their systems off of WoW's systems with minor tweaks. Read my post earlier in the thread. Games may feel like WoW due to the genre, but they arent clones. Rift is. If you want to say its a mutated WoW instead of a clone I can live with that, but it has so much similar with WoW but not games like Lotro or EQ2 or Runes of Magic.
And new does not = better, and Rift is certainly not remotely better than Vanilla WoW. If it was over half (and that is being *extremely* generous) of people that bought Rift wouldnt have left. At this point its probably closer to 2/3rds. Rifthas had over 1 million try it, but it is highly doubtful they have 500k + subs, and more likely closer to 300k than 500k but its all guesstimating at this stage.
For some people Rift is a good fit. But if it were truly a great game, and better than Vanilla WoW, it wouldnt have closed 40% of its servers and still have less people per server than the first month.
Note that i am only speaking for myself when i say that Rift had it all to make it bare the story i could never get into, not so bad but a bit meh and childish if i may say so.
Open rift, auto grouping feature an involving kind of leaving world, yes that was cool but no ... To me and some friends and relatives the game is bland, good feature and system but without it's own soul, i would say the game lack animation wise, its a bit slow as well and while its esthetic its not charming, it lack this small soul thing.
Anyway it's still a good game and i'am glad you enjoy it, i wish i could
The story definatly isnt its strong point, but tbh like I mentioned in the video, not many care for story anymore unless we wouldnt have quest helpers in everygame. Many just want to go from quest to quest.
I don't agree with that. I think the reason most people don't care about story anymore is because most mmorpgs don't have one. People have gotten used to the quick quest clicking and accepting. Watch what happens when SWTOR and GW2 come out. Once people see what a good story can do to add the "RPG" back into MMOs, people won't want to go back to the boring text quests again.
I played Rift for about 3 months, and I can say without a doubt it couldn't have been more different than Vanilla WoW if it tried. Like yourself, when I was going through Vanilla WoW, I was absolutely enraptured. I was completely hooked on the game, and I actually cared about my quests, cared about the world around me, and cared about the content. When I was levelling through Rift, I felt...nothing. The world of Telara felt like it had no soul. While nice graphically, it was boring and bland. I didn't care about the quests, and at no point did I feel awestruck while moving through the zones. In fact, the one thing I can remember is the tediousness of it all. It just wasn't very exciting. I'm not sure if it was the bland questline, the linear, claustrophobic world, or what...but it wasn't even close to vanilla wow.
You also mentioned in your video that many people have cancelled their SWTOR preorders complaining that the game is "trash" or like "WoW with lightsabers." That's more than a bit misleading. There has been very positive feedback leaked from many beta testers that they not only enjoyed the hell out of the game, but hated that they only had a few days to play it. Many of them said the storyline really does grab you and make you care about the game. I'd go so far as to say that if you are looking for the next Vanilla WoW, in terms of a game that can capture your attention and immerse you in the game, SWTOR is much closer to that than Rift has ever been. The same could be said for GW2. Story does matter.
Rift has a story. If you can't be bothered to actually read the quest text, that's not Trion's problem. There are plenty of different ways the story is infused throughout the entire world. There are plenty of different ways you can learn about the story. You just don't want to. How else do you want them to give you the story? If you want SWTOR voiceovers, again & again, have at them. GW2 should have an interesting way of delivering story. But Rift doesn't conceal it or try to make it boring. They just can't cater to your personal convenience.
Storywise Rift isn't any better than any modern MMO. And any modern MMO has story. Story that is flat, not surprising, in fact boring. As Forgefeu said Rift lacks it's soul and it is visible also in storyline of Rift.
And yeah if we are comparing it to WoW then vanilla WoW is obvious, Rift storywise wins. But comparing to WotLK or Cataclysm Blizzard didn't really create here anything that will become the legend of this genre but it's still ahead of what Trion achieved so far. Also with mechanics such as pretty much instant level cap (sorry but being able to reach cap in 1-2 weeks with no effort is something like that) it does make things even worse here.
Rift is definitely solid game but not storywise really.
And yeah if we are comparing it to WoW then vanilla WoW is obvious, Rift storywise wins. But comparing to WotLK or Cataclysm Blizzard didn't really create here anything that will become the legend of this genre but it's still ahead of what Trion achieved so far.
I dont agree
wow classic was less story driven but BIG stories were there and better than RIFT
Humans and Defias storyline was epic
spanning from lvl 10 thru level 35 soloquesting (I'm including the quest for missing diplomate)
including a dungeon with a Pirate ship
w king held prisoner on some dragon isle
the story went to raid levels
because with the king missing, you had a boss dragon impersonating a highly ranked Stormwind official
that you confronted in the city, later, during raids
does RIFT have any arcing story like that?
playing a race in RIFT? i personally didnt have a feel for any racial identity
I know there are ingame books (that I didnt read) but wow had ingame books in classic too
i thought RIFT classes were fun and there were stories for different zones
but overall it all felt like mindless quests with little lore
Originally posted by parrotpholk Rift is solid as far as gameplay but to me the story was boring and so was the gear. It did not need to look like a glowing xmas tree but its just blah. A good first effort from Trion.
My feelings.
Rift is a good game in the sense that a Ford Taurus is a good car. It's not flashy, rather boring looking, doesn't go over extremely fast and is cheap to own. It will get you from Point A to Point B with little to no fuss.
But is it a car most people would choose to own if they could buy anything they wanted? Probably not, in the same way Rift isn't a mmo people would be playing if they had their choice of mmos that are coming out already here.
Rift is like the rental car you use while your car in getting repairs.
Instead of saving your funds for the release of SWTOR and creating a relevant video, you blew it on Rift after the majority have come and gone?
Really appreciate the copy/paste of the game description, that was helpful.
No, Rift is not the new Vanilla WoW.
SWTOR isnt relevent because even know I preordered aka dropped 5$ down on the code, im not a believer of the game and think it wont be as good as people say it will. Im going in with low expectations as if I were playing any other MMORPG. That way I can not be delusional like half the community toward it to give it a fair and honest review. That is my job.
Rift is solid as far as gameplay but to me the story was boring and so was the gear. It did not need to look like a glowing xmas tree but its just blah. A good first effort from Trion.
My feelings.
Rift is a good game in the sense that a Ford Taurus is a good car. It's not flashy, rather boring looking, doesn't go over extremely fast and is cheap to own. It will get you from Point A to Point B with little to no fuss.
But is it a car most people would choose to own if they could buy anything they wanted? Probably not, in the same way Rift isn't a mmo people would be playing if they had their choice of mmos that are coming out already here.
Rift is like the rental car you use while your car in getting repairs.
That is a good analogy, but I mainly responded to this one because I see you are a Eagles fan? Same here man... happy we won on Sunday!
Rift is like the rental car you use while your car in getting repairs.
^^^^^^^^^^ This ^^^^^^^^^ lol
And Caesar's spirit, raging for revenge, With Ate by his side come hot from hell, Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the dogs of war, That this foul deed shall smell above the earth With carrion men, groaning for burial.
Rift is like the rental car you use while your car in getting repairs.
^^^^^^^^^^ This ^^^^^^^^^ lol
Every MMORPG is a rental car for me, so I had to agree with that. Only reason is im a reviewer, so I have to jump ships very often to keep up Loved that analogy though.
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When we are asked a question of if Rift feels like Vanilla WoW and why or why not, the author is asking for opinions both positive and negative. Getting mad that there are negative things in a thread asking for it is silly.
Question Of The Video: Do you play/played Rift? If so, do you think it feels like Vanilla WoW? Why or why not?
I'd say "no way". It's more like WOTLK imo.
Vanilla WoW (or even Burning Crusade) required actual skill from every class to play and crowd control was a necessity or you didn't finish things, especially boss fights. There were no macro programs like DBM or Decurvise or any of that for the most part.
WOTLK was go in a dungeon, Tank AoE taunt, DPS AoE nukes, Healer AoE heal. Rinse/repeat until dungeon is clear. It was the easiest mashup of play I'd ever seen in a game. Rift actually was EASIER than that due to it's macros and dumb AI.
Rift isn't even worthy of a Burning Crusade comparsion. Rift you can play the PvE side with three or four macros and that's it, no matter which class you play. There simply isn't much challenge at all when comparing to Vanilla WoW, sorry.
"TO MICHAEL!"
you didnt read what i wrote.... i didnt say it isnt wow clone... i said its boring that people compare this games with wow.... rift is new game... so its better... before coloured TV there was black and white TV.... things evolve.... well there will always be people that like old TV more but gues what... i llike colored.... young girls are better than old ones.... well not in bed!!!
" Rift shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as that version of WoW."
Amen.
Instead of saving your funds for the release of SWTOR and creating a relevant video, you blew it on Rift after the majority have come and gone?
Really appreciate the copy/paste of the game description, that was helpful.
No, Rift is not the new Vanilla WoW.
WoW had from the start on a huge amount of replayability. Rift tries the opposite: give players no reason to create new chars.
Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)
Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)
You basically said all MMOs are WoW clones because of the genre, which isnt the case. Not all games take WoW as their skeleton and base all their systems off of WoW's systems with minor tweaks. Read my post earlier in the thread. Games may feel like WoW due to the genre, but they arent clones. Rift is. If you want to say its a mutated WoW instead of a clone I can live with that, but it has so much similar with WoW but not games like Lotro or EQ2 or Runes of Magic.
And new does not = better, and Rift is certainly not remotely better than Vanilla WoW. If it was over half (and that is being *extremely* generous) of people that bought Rift wouldnt have left. At this point its probably closer to 2/3rds. Rifthas had over 1 million try it, but it is highly doubtful they have 500k + subs, and more likely closer to 300k than 500k but its all guesstimating at this stage.
For some people Rift is a good fit. But if it were truly a great game, and better than Vanilla WoW, it wouldnt have closed 40% of its servers and still have less people per server than the first month.
Storywise Rift isn't any better than any modern MMO. And any modern MMO has story. Story that is flat, not surprising, in fact boring. As Forgefeu said Rift lacks it's soul and it is visible also in storyline of Rift.
And yeah if we are comparing it to WoW then vanilla WoW is obvious, Rift storywise wins. But comparing to WotLK or Cataclysm Blizzard didn't really create here anything that will become the legend of this genre but it's still ahead of what Trion achieved so far. Also with mechanics such as pretty much instant level cap (sorry but being able to reach cap in 1-2 weeks with no effort is something like that) it does make things even worse here.
Rift is definitely solid game but not storywise really.
I dont agree
wow classic was less story driven but BIG stories were there and better than RIFT
Humans and Defias storyline was epic
spanning from lvl 10 thru level 35 soloquesting (I'm including the quest for missing diplomate)
including a dungeon with a Pirate ship
w king held prisoner on some dragon isle
the story went to raid levels
because with the king missing, you had a boss dragon impersonating a highly ranked Stormwind official
that you confronted in the city, later, during raids
does RIFT have any arcing story like that?
playing a race in RIFT? i personally didnt have a feel for any racial identity
I know there are ingame books (that I didnt read) but wow had ingame books in classic too
i thought RIFT classes were fun and there were stories for different zones
but overall it all felt like mindless quests with little lore
EQ2 fan sites
Rift has no depth and the story line is meh. So why in the world would I waste my time reading the quests?
Dragon Nest has better quest dialogue than Rift.
Ready for GW2!!!
RIFT is nothing like Vanilla WoW.
Rift is a good game in the sense that a Ford Taurus is a good car. It's not flashy, rather boring looking, doesn't go over extremely fast and is cheap to own. It will get you from Point A to Point B with little to no fuss.
But is it a car most people would choose to own if they could buy anything they wanted? Probably not, in the same way Rift isn't a mmo people would be playing if they had their choice of mmos that are coming out already here.
Rift is like the rental car you use while your car in getting repairs.
"TO MICHAEL!"
SWTOR isnt relevent because even know I preordered aka dropped 5$ down on the code, im not a believer of the game and think it wont be as good as people say it will. Im going in with low expectations as if I were playing any other MMORPG. That way I can not be delusional like half the community toward it to give it a fair and honest review. That is my job.
That is a good analogy, but I mainly responded to this one because I see you are a Eagles fan? Same here man... happy we won on Sunday!
^^^^^^^^^^ This ^^^^^^^^^ lol
And Caesar's spirit, raging for revenge,
With Ate by his side come hot from hell,
Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice
Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the dogs of war,
That this foul deed shall smell above the earth
With carrion men, groaning for burial.
Every MMORPG is a rental car for me, so I had to agree with that. Only reason is im a reviewer, so I have to jump ships very often to keep up
Loved that analogy though.