2) referal lore for monks: dungeons and dragons (as everytime it comes to lore!)
Monk: Alignment: Any lawful (in oposite to chaotic)
this means lawful good, lawful neutral and lawful evil.
to clarify it:
Law implies honor, trustworthiness, obedience to authority, and reliability. On the downside, lawfulness can include closed-mindedness, reactionary adherence to tradition, judgmentalness, and a lack of adaptability. Those who consciously promote lawfulness say that only lawful behavior creates a society in which people can depend on each other and make the right decisions in full confidence that others will act as they should.
Chaos implies freedom, adaptability, and flexibility. On the downside, chaos can include recklessness, resentment toward legitimate authority, arbitrary actions, and irresponsibility. Those who promote chaotic behavior say that only unfettered personal freedom allows people to express themselves fully and lets society benefit from the potential that its individuals have within them.
you really wanna keep that "lore-fight" up?
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
just because they died and due to the enviroment came back to life doesnt mean they are evil ... they can be holy if they want to ! :P
No because all forsaken want to eliminate "the living" thus they are evil like sylvannas.
At least that was when wow was created please tell me if they changed that part too.
sure you dont mean the scourge?
Actually, he's correct. It's long been an established fact (common knowledge even) that Sylvanas authorized the RAS to create their plague and that she wants to kill all life on Azeroth, with nearly unanimous support from the Forsaken. Somehow though, this became a "debate" after Wrath.
lemme guess, you guys are allies? sylvanas never droped her role of the "protectors of quel'thalas", who ALLWAYS have been living.
also, she teamed up with thrall (another living) to stop the attack of the royal apothecary society.
if what you said would be true, she would have been removed along with varimatras after the incedent, but this was not the case.
and it was sylvanas who led the attack vs arthas in the frozen hall, another approach AGAINST the scourge and FOR the living.
so, if i am wrong here, dont make up assumptions, gimme some facts plz beside you saying it is like it is
as said before, dont mix up the apothecary society and the scourge with sylvanas and the forsaken.
"Their objectives are twofold: eliminate the Scourge, and establish a place for themselves on Azeroth" THAT was and is sylvanas goal. not to eliminate all live on azeroth, that's actually deathwing's goal
the plague sly authorized was aimed against the lichking and the scourge, she has been betrayed by the RAS.
just curious, you guys are allies eh?
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
You will never see a sith clad in pink protecting cute critters. Or a jedi killing kids and women everywhere.
Give it 50 some days. (since it's been confirmed you can switch sides and someone's bound to prefer a race from the other faction and grind the change-over to the other side of the fence)
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lemme guess, you guys are allies? sylvanas never droped her role of the "protectors of quel'thalas", who ALLWAYS have been living.
also, she teamed up with thrall (another living) to stop the attack of the royal apothecary society.
if what you said would be true, she would have been removed along with varimatras after the incedent, but this was not the case.
and it was sylvanas who led the attack vs arthas in the frozen hall, another approach AGAINST the scourge and FOR the living.
so, if i am wrong here, dont make up assumptions, gimme some facts plz beside you saying it is like it is
as said before, dont mix up the apothecary society and the scourge with sylvanas and the forsaken.
"Their objectives are twofold: eliminate the Scourge, and establish a place for themselves on Azeroth" THAT was and is sylvanas goal. not to eliminate all live on azeroth, that's actually deathwing's goal
the plague sly authorized was aimed against the lichking and the scourge, she has been betrayed by the RAS.
just curious, you guys are allies eh?
and in the worgan intro quests she authoizes...no, demands...it's use again to take Gilneas and wipe out all the living beigns there to gain free access to it's resources.
Grouping in Old school mmo's: meeting someone at the bar and chatting, getting to know them before jumping into bed. Current mmo's grouping: tinder. swipe, hookup, hope you don't get herpes, never see them again.
didn't mean a full cross over, but for roleplaying purposes it's pretty damned close
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ps: i am horde, never played an ally. but i know the reason sly was in gilneas was a command from garrosh (another living one)
yup, and garrosh's ambassador leaves saying something like "and remember, garrosh said no plauge"
and Sylvannas tells her henchmen to ready the release of the plauge, garrosh be damned.
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1: Monks use some sort of Chi, while usualy reserved for things with a pulse it is not yet established as part of "the light" thus Forsaken have no ill effect from it
2: Pandarens, while being creatures who do the whole Zen thing does not judge those who are less balanced. So no problem teaching a Forsaken things
3: Light and dark energy implies a duality in the monk, this fits forsaken very well
4: We have had monks within the Scarlett crusade for a very long time, while these are holy monks the idea is not new.
5: Foresaken are a prime candidate for the whole balacing thing since they are the epitome of hate, spite and malice... and a bit of self loathing.
lemme guess, you guys are allies? sylvanas never droped her role of the "protectors of quel'thalas", who ALLWAYS have been living.
also, she teamed up with thrall (another living) to stop the attack of the royal apothecary society.
if what you said would be true, she would have been removed along with varimatras after the incedent, but this was not the case.
and it was sylvanas who led the attack vs arthas in the frozen hall, another approach AGAINST the scourge and FOR the living.
so, if i am wrong here, dont make up assumptions, gimme some facts plz beside you saying it is like it is
as said before, dont mix up the apothecary society and the scourge with sylvanas and the forsaken.
"Their objectives are twofold: eliminate the Scourge, and establish a place for themselves on Azeroth" THAT was and is sylvanas goal. not to eliminate all live on azeroth, that's actually deathwing's goal
the plague sly authorized was aimed against the lichking and the scourge, she has been betrayed by the RAS.
just curious, you guys are allies eh?
and in the worgan intro quests she authoizes...no, demands...it's use again to take Gilneas and wipe out all the living beigns there to gain free access to it's resources.
Killing a group of people to gain a strategic foothold in a growing war is very different from wanting to kill off all life on Azeroth.
Because flying a Minmatar ship is like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an Uzi.
ps: i am horde, never played an ally. but i know the reason sly was in gilneas was a command from garrosh (another living one)
yup, and garrosh's ambassador leaves saying something like "and remember, garrosh said no plauge"
and Sylvannas tells her henchmen to ready the release of the plauge, garrosh be damned.
and Garrosh calls her a "bitch" what's your point? Sly hates Garrosh (and he hates her) and would gladdly rip his heart out if she could get away with it, if she disagrees with the child's way of thinking she will go against him. The two never get along unlike Thrall, Garrosh does not have her respect (or that of most of the Hoard). However the child is learning but I don't know if it's quick enough.
Because flying a Minmatar ship is like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an Uzi.
Lore was broken long ago. The people with the good ideas left.
I don't think you have any idea how much people cried and cried about having Pandaren in the game. I remember the massively long threads that would frequently pop up on the forums. It was exactly the same with flying in Azeroth and 1-60 revamp. They were also huge requests. Then you get those same people whine how Blizzard don't listen to player ideas when those exact same ideas become reality. Although Mists of Pandaria seems to have more negative output then any previous expansion to date...I guess it shows perhaps listening to whiney minorities isn't always a good thing.
im actually more intrigued by the notion of playing an undead monk than anything else WoW has come up with for the past few years. in a purely superficial way of course, i dont expect deep meaning here.
people need to become aware of their own preconceptions, an undead monk is no more unrepresentative of reality than a minotaur paladin or an elf with a gun. why they should bat an eyelash at a martial arts practicing zombie is beyond me.
I personally think there should be some restrictions to every race.
But I understand Blizzard since they only add one class, if they added 2 they could indeed use restriction, but people who love undead would be pissed if they couldn't play the only new class Blizz added in a long time.
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since we talk of "lore" here....
1) blizz had lore about monks?
2) referal lore for monks: dungeons and dragons (as everytime it comes to lore!)
Monk: Alignment: Any lawful (in oposite to chaotic)
this means lawful good, lawful neutral and lawful evil.
to clarify it:
Law implies honor, trustworthiness, obedience to authority, and reliability. On the downside, lawfulness can include closed-mindedness, reactionary adherence to tradition, judgmentalness, and a lack of adaptability. Those who consciously promote lawfulness say that only lawful behavior creates a society in which people can depend on each other and make the right decisions in full confidence that others will act as they should.
Chaos implies freedom, adaptability, and flexibility. On the downside, chaos can include recklessness, resentment toward legitimate authority, arbitrary actions, and irresponsibility. Those who promote chaotic behavior say that only unfettered personal freedom allows people to express themselves fully and lets society benefit from the potential that its individuals have within them.
you really wanna keep that "lore-fight" up?
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
Actually, he's correct. It's long been an established fact (common knowledge even) that Sylvanas authorized the RAS to create their plague and that she wants to kill all life on Azeroth, with nearly unanimous support from the Forsaken. Somehow though, this became a "debate" after Wrath.
sorry but that's plain wrong ^^
lemme guess, you guys are allies? sylvanas never droped her role of the "protectors of quel'thalas", who ALLWAYS have been living.
also, she teamed up with thrall (another living) to stop the attack of the royal apothecary society.
if what you said would be true, she would have been removed along with varimatras after the incedent, but this was not the case.
and it was sylvanas who led the attack vs arthas in the frozen hall, another approach AGAINST the scourge and FOR the living.
so, if i am wrong here, dont make up assumptions, gimme some facts plz beside you saying it is like it is
as said before, dont mix up the apothecary society and the scourge with sylvanas and the forsaken.
"Their objectives are twofold: eliminate the Scourge, and establish a place for themselves on Azeroth" THAT was and is sylvanas goal. not to eliminate all live on azeroth, that's actually deathwing's goal
the plague sly authorized was aimed against the lichking and the scourge, she has been betrayed by the RAS.
just curious, you guys are allies eh?
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
Give it 50 some days. (since it's been confirmed you can switch sides and someone's bound to prefer a race from the other faction and grind the change-over to the other side of the fence)
and in the worgan intro quests she authoizes...no, demands...it's use again to take Gilneas and wipe out all the living beigns there to gain free access to it's resources.
see, that's the problem here. you guys take rumors and make facts out of it.
incase i got that wrong, you just said it's a fact you can switch sides in TOR?
how about you check your facts again :P
you can not.
you have an allignment yes, which can be light or dark, correct.
but a jedi will ALWAYS stay a jedi and vice versa
ps: i am horde, never played an ally. but i know the reason sly was in gilneas was a command from garrosh (another living one)
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
didn't mean a full cross over, but for roleplaying purposes it's pretty damned close
yup, and garrosh's ambassador leaves saying something like "and remember, garrosh said no plauge"
and Sylvannas tells her henchmen to ready the release of the plauge, garrosh be damned.
1: Monks use some sort of Chi, while usualy reserved for things with a pulse it is not yet established as part of "the light" thus Forsaken have no ill effect from it
2: Pandarens, while being creatures who do the whole Zen thing does not judge those who are less balanced. So no problem teaching a Forsaken things
3: Light and dark energy implies a duality in the monk, this fits forsaken very well
4: We have had monks within the Scarlett crusade for a very long time, while these are holy monks the idea is not new.
5: Foresaken are a prime candidate for the whole balacing thing since they are the epitome of hate, spite and malice... and a bit of self loathing.
This have been a good conversation
Killing a group of people to gain a strategic foothold in a growing war is very different from wanting to kill off all life on Azeroth.
Because flying a Minmatar ship is like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an Uzi.
uh btw (RP inc)
she made my undead living again - a goblin, for valuable services!
would someone who wants to kill all live would do such a thing? (hmm... unless she plans to kill me too... gotta check that out in the next days...)
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
He was a human, he trained a lot and became a monk after that he died a horrible death and came back as a zombie. End of story.
and Garrosh calls her a "bitch" what's your point? Sly hates Garrosh (and he hates her) and would gladdly rip his heart out if she could get away with it, if she disagrees with the child's way of thinking she will go against him. The two never get along unlike Thrall, Garrosh does not have her respect (or that of most of the Hoard). However the child is learning but I don't know if it's quick enough.
Because flying a Minmatar ship is like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an Uzi.
I don't think you have any idea how much people cried and cried about having Pandaren in the game. I remember the massively long threads that would frequently pop up on the forums. It was exactly the same with flying in Azeroth and 1-60 revamp. They were also huge requests. Then you get those same people whine how Blizzard don't listen to player ideas when those exact same ideas become reality. Although Mists of Pandaria seems to have more negative output then any previous expansion to date...I guess it shows perhaps listening to whiney minorities isn't always a good thing.
im actually more intrigued by the notion of playing an undead monk than anything else WoW has come up with for the past few years. in a purely superficial way of course, i dont expect deep meaning here.
people need to become aware of their own preconceptions, an undead monk is no more unrepresentative of reality than a minotaur paladin or an elf with a gun. why they should bat an eyelash at a martial arts practicing zombie is beyond me.
well said
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I have more of a problem with Pandaren Priest.
But after the Sun gave the cows Pali powers..... i guess they can come up with some crap to appese that will be in two quests or something.
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I personally think there should be some restrictions to every race.
But I understand Blizzard since they only add one class, if they added 2 they could indeed use restriction, but people who love undead would be pissed if they couldn't play the only new class Blizz added in a long time.