there are a dozen or more races that players have been clamoring for years. 2 or three new races should have been added at this time. just adding panda's makes the whole future direction of WoW seem immature and goofy. i dont object to the panda PC race as a concept, just seems really silly to put so much focus on them.
i want my ogres, centaurs, nagas and harpies dammit!
the monk is ok, kinda out of left field a bit. spellbreaker would have been better.
The asura actually look less silly and more suitable for a fantasy mmorpg setting, and i'm not saying this because i'm a GW2 fan because honestly i couldn't care less about it.
And about the rest, some look sillier (little girl and ironically a panda) others somewhat on the same level and the frogs actually less ridiculous. But you know, does this matter? No. Because i don't play any of those games and am not planning to.
Oh and i can think of one reason why blizzard could be seen as worse by some. They "backstabbed" those who hate the pandaren. They started as a joke and scrapped from TBC , obviously these two events sent a message: no panda's in this game.
The Asura have huge eyes and are small because that's better for battle, not because they're meant to be cute. Weren't you listening? People accept them because not only are they insanely badass, but because people are used to gnomes being a race, and those pink pigtails on gnomes are like a warning sign: Be wary all ye who mess with our crap.
The Frogloks are clearly not cute at all; frogs aren't cute! If you see a Froglok crossing a road somewhere, he wouldn't be avoiding cars, he'd be snorting them like cocaine. So badass.
All of those are far more epic than some lousy panda. Pit a Pandaren against an Elin and the Pandaren would probably break down into tears when the Elin denies him his tea party or something. So lame.
And yes, it does matter. Blizzard is clearly jumping not just a single shark, but thousands of sharks and several other aquatic species. Sharks with laser beams and battle scars. Sharks with scowls that'll drop a fully grown man from twenty yards.
It's the principle of the thing. People requested Pandaren, not some Panda race that looks exactly like them. People are in an outrage and I'm inclined to agree. I'm tempted to post things like "really blizz?" and "kung-fu panda lol" and "wow is dead" to prove my point, and the only reason I don't is because nobody can come up with an argument against those masterpieces of prose. Let them have their discussions, I've always said.
Oh wait your post wasn't sarcastic? Damn i'm getting bad at this. However my point still stands.
EDIT: after reading some of your other posts you were actually still being sarcastic, even though in that case it didn't answer my reply at all ><
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Originally posted by Kuinn I think the pandaren are not much more ridicilous than the other animal-humanoid-hybrids in wow, and there's a lot of them. Feels like it's more an issue of "it's cool to hate on wow since I dont play it anymore" thing. Just like the pet-battle system, some people are screaming how they hate it because it's pokemon, but if pokemon was never invented and they would have just introduced a system where they can cockfight with pets it would have been propably the most awesome thing ever. "It's cool to hate wow because I dont play it anymore" is a years old habit and that's what I think this stuff is mostly because most of it is not explained in any other way than "insert issue here" LOL IS THIS WHERE WE HAVE COME HATE HATE HATE. No reasoning, mostly.
Turn the colour of pandas to grey and they become grizzlybears, all of a sudden they are awesome. If you dont believe me, go to Zoo, climb over panda fence and find out how cuddly they are behind that colour.
No I'm not defending WoW, I havent played it in a long time, and wont play this expansion, I'm just not interested in it anymore, I just cant come up with anything to hate it besides the boredom and recycled content.
Dont take me wrong, I understand there are a lot of people who really do hate pandas, not just this many. "But it's april's fools" yeah but it has some actual lore in warcraft, WoW is full of jokes, comedy and shit pulled from ass yet this blows the crap vulcano, who knows.
Warcraft lore stopped being serious VERY shortly after the release of WoW, that's propably the biggest reason why I dont understand this hate the latest expansion gets, the first expansion after the original game to ACTUALLY ADD MORE WAYS TO PLAY THE GAME, the first time, the game gets something actually new besides the textures updates and a class. First time since "vanilla".
While I agree with most of this, arenas came in TBC .. which was technically a new way to play the game. There also the Wintergrasp model for wrath, but you are right about them adding some much needed other "modes" of content.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
I believe it is the perfect example of what is wrong with the MMO genre's playerbase.
For how many years have players of WoW been asking for the Pandaren? BC, LK, Cata... they've been asking for them.
Now they're getting them and...
...outrage.
Developers should never give players what they want...it never works out well.
I really believe the people asking for them are probably elated.
Meanwhile I think just as many didnt only not ask for them, but think the idea is rediculous. And thats where the massive hate they are getting is coming from.
Im not sure the motivations for wanting them in the game, but a lot of players take their medieval fantasy game pretty seriously. As Ive said before, if Im a Paladin riding a horse in a world filled with orcs and dragons, the last thing I expect to see is a Panda Bear walking around carrying a sword.
In the Western fantasy genre, this sort of thing doesnt generally fly. There are gobs of fantasy books. A huge plethora. Ive read my share in my time. Ive read about elves, dragons, orcs, dwarves, knights, etc etc. But in none of those books did I ever read about walking talking Panda bears.
WoW had a pretty solid take on the Western fantasy genre, until now. Thats really the problem. The game had enough of that Western fantasy vibe that adding something so silly and nonsensical that doesnt fit in that traditional mold breaks the illusion. There's no way I think I could ever be immersed in WoW after this. If Im playing a Warrior, and Im in a valley fighting orc mobs, and I see a group of pandas run by carrying staffs and swords, that just shatters the world I was involved in.
You might see walking talking Pandas appear in some kind of fiction like The Never Ending Story. But you would never see it in Lord of the Rings. WoW had a good western fantasy "lord of the rings" style vibe going for it. Not anymore. And thats very unfortunate.
Races for ppl who like to play something 'cute' are quite common in many games. Whats wrong with pandas ? They are just too 'cheap' and obvious attempt for that kind of race .
I believe it is the perfect example of what is wrong with the MMO genre's playerbase.
For how many years have players of WoW been asking for the Pandaren? BC, LK, Cata... they've been asking for them.
Now they're getting them and...
...outrage.
Developers should never give players what they want...it never works out well.
I really believe the people asking for them are probably elated.
Meanwhile I think just as many didnt only not ask for them, but think the idea is rediculous. And thats where the massive hate they are getting is coming from.
Im not sure the motivations for wanting them in the game, but a lot of players take their medieval fantasy game pretty seriously. As Ive said before, if Im a Paladin riding a horse in a world filled with orcs and dragons, the last thing I expect to see is a Panda Bear walking around carrying a sword.
In the Western fantasy genre, this sort of thing doesnt generally fly. There are gobs of fantasy books. A huge plethora. Ive read my share in my time. Ive read about elves, dragons, orcs, dwarves, knights, etc etc. But in none of those books did I ever read about walking talking Panda bears.
WoW had a pretty solid take on the Western fantasy genre, until now. Thats really the problem. The game had enough of that Western fantasy vibe that adding something so silly and nonsensical that doesnt fit in that traditional mold breaks the illusion. There's no way I think I could ever be immersed in WoW after this. If Im playing a Warrior, and Im in a valley fighting orc mobs, and I see a group of pandas run by carrying staffs and swords, that just shatters the world I was involved in.
You might see walking talking Pandas appear in some kind of fiction like The Never Ending Story. But you would never see it in Lord of the Rings. WoW had a good western fantasy "lord of the rings" style vibe going for it. Not anymore. And thats very unfortunate.
I believe it is the perfect example of what is wrong with the MMO genre's playerbase.
For how many years have players of WoW been asking for the Pandaren? BC, LK, Cata... they've been asking for them.
Now they're getting them and...
...outrage.
Developers should never give players what they want...it never works out well.
I really believe the people asking for them are probably elated.
Meanwhile I think just as many didnt only not ask for them, but think the idea is rediculous. And thats where the massive hate they are getting is coming from.
Im not sure the motivations for wanting them in the game, but a lot of players take their medieval fantasy game pretty seriously. As Ive said before, if Im a Paladin riding a horse in a world filled with orcs and dragons, the last thing I expect to see is a Panda Bear walking around carrying a sword.
In the Western fantasy genre, this sort of thing doesnt generally fly. There are gobs of fantasy books. A huge plethora. Ive read my share in my time. Ive read about elves, dragons, orcs, dwarves, knights, etc etc. But in none of those books did I ever read about walking talking Panda bears.
WoW had a pretty solid take on the Western fantasy genre, until now. Thats really the problem. The game had enough of that Western fantasy vibe that adding something so silly and nonsensical that doesnt fit in that traditional mold breaks the illusion. There's no way I think I could ever be immersed in WoW after this. If Im playing a Warrior, and Im in a valley fighting orc mobs, and I see a group of pandas run by carrying staffs and swords, that just shatters the world I was involved in.
You might see walking talking Pandas appear in some kind of fiction like The Never Ending Story. But you would never see it in Lord of the Rings. WoW had a good western fantasy "lord of the rings" style vibe going for it. Not anymore. And thats very unfortunate.
Its a gnome wearing some goofy armor. Look man, you keep posting pics with the sole intend of proving that WoW has always been rediculous or that all other mmos (that no one really plays) are equally as rediculous.
Your little slide shows are not impressing me in the least. And yes, I could play any game and probably find some goofy armor to wear. Your point is not made. Whatever point you're really trying to make here.
Again. Thats a gnome wearing some armor. Thats not a Panda bear who knows Kung Fu in a fantasy game setting that includes dragons, dwarfs, swords, shields, and yes, understandably, gnomes.
As for missing my point, this picture in no way even really has ANYTHING to do with my previous post that you quoted. Its like someone asking you what your favorite color is and you respond with "Tacos".
Its a gnome wearing some goofy armor. Look man, you keep posting pics with the sole intend of proving that WoW has always been rediculous or that all other mmos (that no one really plays) are equally as rediculous.
Your little slide shows are not impressing me in the least. And yes, I could play any game and probably find some goofy armor to wear. Your point is not made. Whatever point you're really trying to make here.
Again. Thats a gnome wearing some armor. Thats not a Panda bear who knows Kung Fu in a fantasy game setting that includes dragons, dwarfs, swords, shields, and yes, understandably, gnomes.
As for missing my point, this picture in no way even really has ANYTHING to do with my previous post that you quoted. Its like someone asking you what your favorite color is and you respond with "Tacos".
You were complaining about Pandaren ruining your immersion, so I made it into a joke. If you're immersed into a fatasy setting by a herd of gnomes with pink ponytails, goblins with rocket jumping, naked mailbox dancing, night elves with mohawks, etc, then why not Pandaren? If I am to believe your post and take it at face value, then I must ask how Pandaren are so much of a stretch past what is already a very goofy game.
My slide shows are meant to prove how ridiculous these arguments are. Plenty of games have goofy races, but people barely complain about that. Then Pandaren are released, and the entire forum turns into a raging shitstorm.
Find me a fantasy book, and point out where you read about elves with mohawks, or naked mailbox dancing. Find me a page where the author describes the epic battle between a three foot gnome with pink ponytails carrying a five foot sword and a massive cow doing the peanut butter jelly time dance. Find me that page, and I'll concede my point.
These arguments about Pandaren being somehow more goofy than what is already in-game are laughable.
Originally posted by Corehaven Originally posted by grawss
Originally posted by Corehaven
Originally posted by VirusDancer
I believe it is the perfect example of what is wrong with the MMO genre's playerbase. For how many years have players of WoW been asking for the Pandaren? BC, LK, Cata... they've been asking for them. Now they're getting them and... ...outrage. Developers should never give players what they want...it never works out well.
I really believe the people asking for them are probably elated. Meanwhile I think just as many didnt only not ask for them, but think the idea is rediculous. And thats where the massive hate they are getting is coming from. Im not sure the motivations for wanting them in the game, but a lot of players take their medieval fantasy game pretty seriously. As Ive said before, if Im a Paladin riding a horse in a world filled with orcs and dragons, the last thing I expect to see is a Panda Bear walking around carrying a sword. In the Western fantasy genre, this sort of thing doesnt generally fly. There are gobs of fantasy books. A huge plethora. Ive read my share in my time. Ive read about elves, dragons, orcs, dwarves, knights, etc etc. But in none of those books did I ever read about walking talking Panda bears. WoW had a pretty solid take on the Western fantasy genre, until now. Thats really the problem. The game had enough of that Western fantasy vibe that adding something so silly and nonsensical that doesnt fit in that traditional mold breaks the illusion. There's no way I think I could ever be immersed in WoW after this. If Im playing a Warrior, and Im in a valley fighting orc mobs, and I see a group of pandas run by carrying staffs and swords, that just shatters the world I was involved in. You might see walking talking Pandas appear in some kind of fiction like The Never Ending Story. But you would never see it in Lord of the Rings. WoW had a good western fantasy "lord of the rings" style vibe going for it. Not anymore. And thats very unfortunate.
Its a gnome wearing some goofy armor. Look man, you keep posting pics with the sole intend of proving that WoW has always been rediculous or that all other mmos (that no one really plays) are equally as rediculous.
Your little slide shows are not impressing me in the least. And yes, I could play any game and probably find some goofy armor to wear. Your point is not made. Whatever point you're really trying to make here.
Again. Thats a gnome wearing some armor. Thats not a Panda bear who knows Kung Fu in a fantasy game setting that includes dragons, dwarfs, swords, shields, and yes, understandably, gnomes.
As for missing my point, this picture in no way even really has ANYTHING to do with my previous post that you quoted. Its like someone asking you what your favorite color is and you respond with "Tacos".
Id agree with you except that I have to live with space goats that arrived in some new-aged demi-god powered crystal space ship in a "setting that includes dragons, dwarfs, swords, shields, and yes, understandably, gnomes." .. so I find it hard to understand how pandas would make someone quit the game. Especially considering they have been firmly set in the lore for a while now whereas the space goats dropped out of the sky as some mutated version of a bunch of mouth breathers from the corner of a swamp.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
Its a gnome wearing some goofy armor. Look man, you keep posting pics with the sole intend of proving that WoW has always been rediculous or that all other mmos (that no one really plays) are equally as rediculous.
Your little slide shows are not impressing me in the least. And yes, I could play any game and probably find some goofy armor to wear. Your point is not made. Whatever point you're really trying to make here.
Again. Thats a gnome wearing some armor. Thats not a Panda bear who knows Kung Fu in a fantasy game setting that includes dragons, dwarfs, swords, shields, and yes, understandably, gnomes.
As for missing my point, this picture in no way even really has ANYTHING to do with my previous post that you quoted. Its like someone asking you what your favorite color is and you respond with "Tacos".
You were complaining about Pandaren ruining your immersion, so I made it into a joke. If you're immersed into a fatasy setting by a herd of gnomes with pink ponytails, goblins with rocket jumping, naked mailbox dancing, night elves with mohawks, etc, then why not Pandaren? If I am to believe your post and take it at face value, then I must ask how Pandaren are so much of a stretch past what is already a very goofy game.
My slide shows are meant to prove how ridiculous these arguments are. Plenty of games have goofy races, but people barely complain about that. Then Pandaren are released, and the entire forum turns into a raging shitstorm.
Find me a fantasy book, and point out where you read about elves with mohawks, or naked mailbox dancing. Find me a page where the author describes the epic battle between a three foot gnome with pink ponytails carrying a five foot sword and a massive cow doing the peanut butter jelly time dance. Find me that page, and I'll concede my point.
These arguments about Pandaren being somehow more goofy than what is already in-game are laughable.
I guess its just my opinion that I know at least a good deal of other people share and a lot dont.
I never really liked the gnomes in WoW and I'll admit that. When I think of "gnomes" WoW's version isnt exactly what I think off. I kind of think of narly little men with big noses, really bad skin, and they're not exactly what I'd call cute. Then there's the garden gnome variety so I guess they just went with that and took it to extremes. Of course Im talking about the little garden gnome statues. But at least they're gnomes and its a fantasy game. They ran with their own version of them and thats okay with me.
Goblins are fine. They like to tinker with barely working technology and yes, it is pretty comical. Same thing as gnomes really. Their version of goblins pretty much lines up with my own. The way they look anyways. Not too off.
Elves can wear whatever hair style suits their fancy. I dont think mohawks on an elf look particularly bad. Didnt say they lit my world on fire, but I cant say its horrible either.
Then there's the dancing and the cows and all the rest. I dont see how theres going to be any control over where people dance. And even so, if I see it, there's a half naked night elf dancing on a mail box. Okay. But at least its an elf. And again I can easily deal with that.
On the space goats, no, I didnt particularly like the backstory there. The race to me isnt all that laughable. At least its original but the back story and the fact that they're "aliens" sort of put me off. But seeing them run through the world isnt all that bad to me. I just dealt with it. I even played as one for a bit. But then remembered that I loved the idea of being a mage.....not playing as one in this game anyways. Wasnt a huge fan of their starter areas either. But thats okay.
And you're right. There are some very goofy aspects to the game. Granted. But I really think some fans would go ahead and defend anything Blizzard might do. And I do mean anything. If the lore included at some point, walking talking jugs of orange juice and they made that into a playable race I think some people would support that. I think for some, it wouldnt matter what WoW did. Nothing is taboo. Anything is accepted. To me putting kung fu pandas into a fantasy game rates just above putting in walking jugs of OJ, so I'll at least give it that.
The arguments that WoW was already silly, so they should just keep adding increasing levels of sillyness to it have their own merit I guess. Not a fan of the idea myself. Hey I have a sense of humor and Ive found myself laughing at WoW more times than I can count. But there are things about the game that are groan inducing, eyeball rolling worthy, and for me at least pi pedal Pandas as a playable race takes the cake.
I'll also go ahead and say I kind of like returning to WoW every couple of expansions or so. So its about time I jump back into it. I like to do this because that way, there's more to do when I return. I wont be returning now. Ever. At all. Even if I concede to your point that WoW has some goofy elements, I guess you can say this for me was not the staw, but the log that broke the camels back. Sure there was already some goof piled on there, but this is too much as far as Im concerned.
Maybe you are right in the end and Im just getting to the point I want a little more drama (the good kind) and a more serious take on my gaming. So maybe Swtor or GW2 is more for me.
You might see walking talking Pandas appear in some kind of fiction like The Never Ending Story. But you would never see it in Lord of the Rings. WoW had a good western fantasy "lord of the rings" style vibe going for it. Not anymore. And thats very unfortunate.
Wow is only similar to Lord of the Rings in that it is set in a fantasy world, and it copies a few character types from The Ring.
I'm not sure you have read Lord of the Rings. But if you have, you must have forgotten the 99.99% that is not like WoW.
WoW is fantasy for youthful, silly, whimsical, topical, etc. It fits the 12+ rating on the box, and always has, despite the self-perceived mature peoples opinions.
Also, I notice you are clinging to an Asian rant. What difference does it make if each xpac has some kind of regional theme? Do you honestly think that an Asian theme is only going to appeal to China? Methinks you are not looking at this objectively.
Just to emphasise. Please do not compare the lore of WoW to Lord of the Rings. It will make you the laughing stock of anyone who has read the books.
Taking far too long with Titan. You [Blizzard] know damn well you can drop a TURD in a box if you wanted to, and MILLIONS of your WoW population will buy it.
Apparently you're correct. Adding Pandas as a playable race in ANY other game would have killed the game...only W0W fans defend it as being "iconic".
This news actually convinced my to resub. I figure, if the panda's drives off all the kids that are concerned about WoW no longer being cool enough for them to play, that just means less of these annoying brats running around clogging up barrens chat and dancing on mailboxes. Things are looking up for WoW.
Still wish WoW would impliment housing so I could tell these brats to stay off my virtual lawn.
Originally posted by Hoplites 1.Ethereals 2. Ogres 3. Naga 4. Murlocs
5. Panadreans
Pandareans were not the most asked race to be playable by any measure. Don't buy the spin.
Right, because if there is one thing Blizzard is infamous for it's not pandering to the masses. Ethereals are the only other decent choice and pandas are still better than space goats.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
Pandareans were not the most asked race to be playable by any measure. Don't buy the spin.
Right, because if there is one thing Blizzard is infamous for it's not pandering to the masses. Ethereals are the only other decent choice and pandas are still better than space goats.
I don't know... female Draenei or female Pandaren... I've got to go with the...ahem....space goat.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
This is an awesome idea. I want to preorder it now!!!
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This news actually convinced my to resub. I figure, if the panda's drives off all the kids that are concerned about WoW no longer being cool enough for them to play, that just means less of these annoying brats running around clogging up barrens chat and dancing on mailboxes. Things are looking up for WoW.
Still wish WoW would impliment housing so I could tell these brats to stay off my virtual lawn.
You imply WoW was ever cool to play.
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3. Kung-Fu Panda has given the general public the perception that kung-fu wielding anthromorphic pandas is very silly, childish, and meant for five year olds... which I tend to agree with.
That fits with my understanding as well.
And on the side topic of "hate", I don't hate WoW. However, from a players perspective, I can't say that I'm pleased with the direction that management has taken with it. It's their game and they do with it as they please. I'm sufficiently adult to understand that. That doesn't mean I have to play it. It seems that every recent "improvement" just takes it one step further away from that game that I used to enjoy.
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This news actually convinced my to resub. I figure, if the panda's drives off all the kids that are concerned about WoW no longer being cool enough for them to play, that just means less of these annoying brats running around clogging up barrens chat and dancing on mailboxes. Things are looking up for WoW.
Still wish WoW would impliment housing so I could tell these brats to stay off my virtual lawn.
I don't think playing WoW was ever considered "cool" if anything it was already long considered being the most uncool thing. (unless you're amongst WoW players).
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Originally posted by idgarad .... I wouldn't have minded but the fact both sides get them just makes this, well, dumb. Give alliance the Panderans and give the horde the Naga or Murlocks.
I've always thought the Naga would make a really cool race and that if they were playable they would be in the Horde.
I don't find Pandas any more or less silly and/or cute than anything else in the game. They may as well be in there. Except that I like the idea of Kung Fu Pandas. I'm even willing to admit it could be because I liked the movie 'Kung Fu Panda'.
I do not know if it's worth buying Cata, leveling through all of that, then unsubbing and then resubbing when MoP comes out. I would be much more worried that the experience wouldn't be different enough, not that it's too different from what they already have.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
All the silliness of the panda's race could have been somewhat avoided if Blizzard had just added a counter balance race that was more serious & lore based aswell. They decided to try to give 1 race and 1 class this time instead of 2 races or 1 class as they had been doing in previous expansions.
The direction they are taking WoW in seems more kiddie than ever & also an attempt to cater for the Eastern market. They really needed to give the older, loyal, members of their game something more solid in this expansion, which they clearly havn't, hence all the negative posts all over the internet, including why MMORPG.com is asking to put all the opinions on it in one place. Heck, WoW youtube channel with the trailer has nearly 50% dislikes in that video.
The people who make the decisions at Blizzard are either really stupid for miss-judging the mood & reaction MoP would get (which I actually doubt myself) or they know exactly what they are trying to do, they've done their math & know the target audiences they are going for & to hell with all the negative fallout they would get cause in the end it'll still bring in the $$$.
... or they know exactly what they are trying to do, they've done their math & know the target audiences they are going for & to hell with all the negative fallout they would get cause in the end it'll still bring in the $$$
Yes. And the timing was perfect to rain on SW:TOR's media hype generation. A publicity stunt to prove they are still a (the) major player in the industry.
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there are a dozen or more races that players have been clamoring for years. 2 or three new races should have been added at this time. just adding panda's makes the whole future direction of WoW seem immature and goofy. i dont object to the panda PC race as a concept, just seems really silly to put so much focus on them.
i want my ogres, centaurs, nagas and harpies dammit!
the monk is ok, kinda out of left field a bit. spellbreaker would have been better.
Oh wait your post wasn't sarcastic? Damn i'm getting bad at this. However my point still stands.
EDIT: after reading some of your other posts you were actually still being sarcastic, even though in that case it didn't answer my reply at all ><
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Ah, so if u play with pandaren u will not be cool. Its all about how cool and badass u are in a gameWhile I agree with most of this, arenas came in TBC .. which was technically a new way to play the game. There also the Wintergrasp model for wrath, but you are right about them adding some much needed other "modes" of content.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
I really believe the people asking for them are probably elated.
Meanwhile I think just as many didnt only not ask for them, but think the idea is rediculous. And thats where the massive hate they are getting is coming from.
Im not sure the motivations for wanting them in the game, but a lot of players take their medieval fantasy game pretty seriously. As Ive said before, if Im a Paladin riding a horse in a world filled with orcs and dragons, the last thing I expect to see is a Panda Bear walking around carrying a sword.
In the Western fantasy genre, this sort of thing doesnt generally fly. There are gobs of fantasy books. A huge plethora. Ive read my share in my time. Ive read about elves, dragons, orcs, dwarves, knights, etc etc. But in none of those books did I ever read about walking talking Panda bears.
WoW had a pretty solid take on the Western fantasy genre, until now. Thats really the problem. The game had enough of that Western fantasy vibe that adding something so silly and nonsensical that doesnt fit in that traditional mold breaks the illusion. There's no way I think I could ever be immersed in WoW after this. If Im playing a Warrior, and Im in a valley fighting orc mobs, and I see a group of pandas run by carrying staffs and swords, that just shatters the world I was involved in.
You might see walking talking Pandas appear in some kind of fiction like The Never Ending Story. But you would never see it in Lord of the Rings. WoW had a good western fantasy "lord of the rings" style vibe going for it. Not anymore. And thats very unfortunate.
Races for ppl who like to play something 'cute' are quite common in many games. Whats wrong with pandas ? They are just too 'cheap' and obvious attempt for that kind of race .
Sarcasm is not a crime!
Its a gnome wearing some goofy armor. Look man, you keep posting pics with the sole intend of proving that WoW has always been rediculous or that all other mmos (that no one really plays) are equally as rediculous.
Your little slide shows are not impressing me in the least. And yes, I could play any game and probably find some goofy armor to wear. Your point is not made. Whatever point you're really trying to make here.
Again. Thats a gnome wearing some armor. Thats not a Panda bear who knows Kung Fu in a fantasy game setting that includes dragons, dwarfs, swords, shields, and yes, understandably, gnomes.
As for missing my point, this picture in no way even really has ANYTHING to do with my previous post that you quoted. Its like someone asking you what your favorite color is and you respond with "Tacos".
You were complaining about Pandaren ruining your immersion, so I made it into a joke. If you're immersed into a fatasy setting by a herd of gnomes with pink ponytails, goblins with rocket jumping, naked mailbox dancing, night elves with mohawks, etc, then why not Pandaren? If I am to believe your post and take it at face value, then I must ask how Pandaren are so much of a stretch past what is already a very goofy game.
My slide shows are meant to prove how ridiculous these arguments are. Plenty of games have goofy races, but people barely complain about that. Then Pandaren are released, and the entire forum turns into a raging shitstorm.
Find me a fantasy book, and point out where you read about elves with mohawks, or naked mailbox dancing. Find me a page where the author describes the epic battle between a three foot gnome with pink ponytails carrying a five foot sword and a massive cow doing the peanut butter jelly time dance. Find me that page, and I'll concede my point.
These arguments about Pandaren being somehow more goofy than what is already in-game are laughable.
Sarcasm is not a crime!
I really believe the people asking for them are probably elated.
Meanwhile I think just as many didnt only not ask for them, but think the idea is rediculous. And thats where the massive hate they are getting is coming from.
Im not sure the motivations for wanting them in the game, but a lot of players take their medieval fantasy game pretty seriously. As Ive said before, if Im a Paladin riding a horse in a world filled with orcs and dragons, the last thing I expect to see is a Panda Bear walking around carrying a sword.
In the Western fantasy genre, this sort of thing doesnt generally fly. There are gobs of fantasy books. A huge plethora. Ive read my share in my time. Ive read about elves, dragons, orcs, dwarves, knights, etc etc. But in none of those books did I ever read about walking talking Panda bears.
WoW had a pretty solid take on the Western fantasy genre, until now. Thats really the problem. The game had enough of that Western fantasy vibe that adding something so silly and nonsensical that doesnt fit in that traditional mold breaks the illusion. There's no way I think I could ever be immersed in WoW after this. If Im playing a Warrior, and Im in a valley fighting orc mobs, and I see a group of pandas run by carrying staffs and swords, that just shatters the world I was involved in.
You might see walking talking Pandas appear in some kind of fiction like The Never Ending Story. But you would never see it in Lord of the Rings. WoW had a good western fantasy "lord of the rings" style vibe going for it. Not anymore. And thats very unfortunate.
Its a gnome wearing some goofy armor. Look man, you keep posting pics with the sole intend of proving that WoW has always been rediculous or that all other mmos (that no one really plays) are equally as rediculous.
Your little slide shows are not impressing me in the least. And yes, I could play any game and probably find some goofy armor to wear. Your point is not made. Whatever point you're really trying to make here.
Again. Thats a gnome wearing some armor. Thats not a Panda bear who knows Kung Fu in a fantasy game setting that includes dragons, dwarfs, swords, shields, and yes, understandably, gnomes.
As for missing my point, this picture in no way even really has ANYTHING to do with my previous post that you quoted. Its like someone asking you what your favorite color is and you respond with "Tacos".
Id agree with you except that I have to live with space goats that arrived in some new-aged demi-god powered crystal space ship in a "setting that includes dragons, dwarfs, swords, shields, and yes, understandably, gnomes." .. so I find it hard to understand how pandas would make someone quit the game. Especially considering they have been firmly set in the lore for a while now whereas the space goats dropped out of the sky as some mutated version of a bunch of mouth breathers from the corner of a swamp.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
I guess its just my opinion that I know at least a good deal of other people share and a lot dont.
I never really liked the gnomes in WoW and I'll admit that. When I think of "gnomes" WoW's version isnt exactly what I think off. I kind of think of narly little men with big noses, really bad skin, and they're not exactly what I'd call cute. Then there's the garden gnome variety so I guess they just went with that and took it to extremes. Of course Im talking about the little garden gnome statues. But at least they're gnomes and its a fantasy game. They ran with their own version of them and thats okay with me.
Goblins are fine. They like to tinker with barely working technology and yes, it is pretty comical. Same thing as gnomes really. Their version of goblins pretty much lines up with my own. The way they look anyways. Not too off.
Elves can wear whatever hair style suits their fancy. I dont think mohawks on an elf look particularly bad. Didnt say they lit my world on fire, but I cant say its horrible either.
Then there's the dancing and the cows and all the rest. I dont see how theres going to be any control over where people dance. And even so, if I see it, there's a half naked night elf dancing on a mail box. Okay. But at least its an elf. And again I can easily deal with that.
On the space goats, no, I didnt particularly like the backstory there. The race to me isnt all that laughable. At least its original but the back story and the fact that they're "aliens" sort of put me off. But seeing them run through the world isnt all that bad to me. I just dealt with it. I even played as one for a bit. But then remembered that I loved the idea of being a mage.....not playing as one in this game anyways. Wasnt a huge fan of their starter areas either. But thats okay.
And you're right. There are some very goofy aspects to the game. Granted. But I really think some fans would go ahead and defend anything Blizzard might do. And I do mean anything. If the lore included at some point, walking talking jugs of orange juice and they made that into a playable race I think some people would support that. I think for some, it wouldnt matter what WoW did. Nothing is taboo. Anything is accepted. To me putting kung fu pandas into a fantasy game rates just above putting in walking jugs of OJ, so I'll at least give it that.
The arguments that WoW was already silly, so they should just keep adding increasing levels of sillyness to it have their own merit I guess. Not a fan of the idea myself. Hey I have a sense of humor and Ive found myself laughing at WoW more times than I can count. But there are things about the game that are groan inducing, eyeball rolling worthy, and for me at least pi pedal Pandas as a playable race takes the cake.
I'll also go ahead and say I kind of like returning to WoW every couple of expansions or so. So its about time I jump back into it. I like to do this because that way, there's more to do when I return. I wont be returning now. Ever. At all. Even if I concede to your point that WoW has some goofy elements, I guess you can say this for me was not the staw, but the log that broke the camels back. Sure there was already some goof piled on there, but this is too much as far as Im concerned.
Maybe you are right in the end and Im just getting to the point I want a little more drama (the good kind) and a more serious take on my gaming. So maybe Swtor or GW2 is more for me.
Wow is only similar to Lord of the Rings in that it is set in a fantasy world, and it copies a few character types from The Ring.
I'm not sure you have read Lord of the Rings. But if you have, you must have forgotten the 99.99% that is not like WoW.
WoW is fantasy for youthful, silly, whimsical, topical, etc. It fits the 12+ rating on the box, and always has, despite the self-perceived mature peoples opinions.
Also, I notice you are clinging to an Asian rant. What difference does it make if each xpac has some kind of regional theme? Do you honestly think that an Asian theme is only going to appeal to China? Methinks you are not looking at this objectively.
Just to emphasise. Please do not compare the lore of WoW to Lord of the Rings. It will make you the laughing stock of anyone who has read the books.
Apparently you're correct. Adding Pandas as a playable race in ANY other game would have killed the game...only W0W fans defend it as being "iconic".
Maybe they could save development time by making the official panda mount....a panda,
Wait, Better yet, maybe you could get your other panda friends to take you where u need to go.
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This news actually convinced my to resub. I figure, if the panda's drives off all the kids that are concerned about WoW no longer being cool enough for them to play, that just means less of these annoying brats running around clogging up barrens chat and dancing on mailboxes. Things are looking up for WoW.
Still wish WoW would impliment housing so I could tell these brats to stay off my virtual lawn.
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1.Ethereals
2. Ogres
3. Naga
4. Murlocs
5. Panadreans
Pandareans were not the most asked race to be playable by any measure. Don't buy the spin.
Right, because if there is one thing Blizzard is infamous for it's not pandering to the masses. Ethereals are the only other decent choice and pandas are still better than space goats.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
I don't know... female Draenei or female Pandaren... I've got to go with the...ahem....space goat.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
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They have cows, why not pandas???
This is an awesome idea. I want to preorder it now!!!
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It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
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You imply WoW was ever cool to play.
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It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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That fits with my understanding as well.
And on the side topic of "hate", I don't hate WoW. However, from a players perspective, I can't say that I'm pleased with the direction that management has taken with it. It's their game and they do with it as they please. I'm sufficiently adult to understand that. That doesn't mean I have to play it. It seems that every recent "improvement" just takes it one step further away from that game that I used to enjoy.
I don't think playing WoW was ever considered "cool" if anything it was already long considered being the most uncool thing. (unless you're amongst WoW players).
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I've always thought the Naga would make a really cool race and that if they were playable they would be in the Horde.
I don't find Pandas any more or less silly and/or cute than anything else in the game. They may as well be in there. Except that I like the idea of Kung Fu Pandas. I'm even willing to admit it could be because I liked the movie 'Kung Fu Panda'.
I do not know if it's worth buying Cata, leveling through all of that, then unsubbing and then resubbing when MoP comes out. I would be much more worried that the experience wouldn't be different enough, not that it's too different from what they already have.
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All the silliness of the panda's race could have been somewhat avoided if Blizzard had just added a counter balance race that was more serious & lore based aswell. They decided to try to give 1 race and 1 class this time instead of 2 races or 1 class as they had been doing in previous expansions.
The direction they are taking WoW in seems more kiddie than ever & also an attempt to cater for the Eastern market. They really needed to give the older, loyal, members of their game something more solid in this expansion, which they clearly havn't, hence all the negative posts all over the internet, including why MMORPG.com is asking to put all the opinions on it in one place. Heck, WoW youtube channel with the trailer has nearly 50% dislikes in that video.
The people who make the decisions at Blizzard are either really stupid for miss-judging the mood & reaction MoP would get (which I actually doubt myself) or they know exactly what they are trying to do, they've done their math & know the target audiences they are going for & to hell with all the negative fallout they would get cause in the end it'll still bring in the $$$.
Yes. And the timing was perfect to rain on SW:TOR's media hype generation. A publicity stunt to prove they are still a (the) major player in the industry.