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Quite enjoying this . Its the only game thats come close to the fun I had in WoW Vanilla .
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I've been playing Rift for a few months now . I have two level 50 characters and a third alt on the way . If I were to compare the two I would say WoW vanilla was the better game but Rift is the closest in terms of the fun factor that I've experianced in the 5 years since the days of the original WoW . It is more linear and smaller but in a way that doesn't seam to matter much because the dynamic Rift system seams to bring the community together and also makes leveling through the same areas slightly different each time . The Battlegrounds are the among best I've seen in any mmo . They could do with something thats the size and scope of Alterac Valley I think . Given Star Wars is around the corner I'll most likely be playing that for some of next year at least but I think I will return to this at some point . Its a very well designed game and for the first time in years I really feel no need to return to WoW for my PVP fix because this does it just as well and I get to customise my class in the way I want to which I can no longer do in WoW .
Nice one Trion .
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i do like Rift and i enjoy it from time to time. But if its the closest thing to vanilla WoW (i never played vanilla) then that was pretty bad compared to what it is now.....
just my opinion... Rift is good but theres no comparison, its still way behind
WoW Vanilla was very good you really missed the best of what it had to offer back then . I wasn't comparing it to the current version of WoW .
Rift is the best mmo with signifcant pvp I've come across since the release of WoW but you also have to remember we really have had a mediocre bunch in the last 7 years .With most servers at medium to high at peak times its seams to be doing very well in terms of number playing as well .
The biggest problem is that it doesn't play well on lower spec computers . I know a lot of people that can't play it for this reason .
Not trying to be an ass, but signifigant pvp? Rifts pvp is imo terrible. They had a chance to make a great pvp end game but it isn t there at all. The pvp rifts were popular at first but now, not so much. Warfronts, I know for me I got sick of them by level 30 or so.
To me the idea of Rift, the entire game was great, but every aspect of it became boring faster then most MMOs I ve played. I ll keep an eye on it, but it really isn t anything special to me that is.
Yea 3 reasons why Rift PvP was horrible IMO.
1. The world is so freaking small, no room to manuever around or hide when you're outnumbered in world PvP (when World PvP happens).
2. The instanced PvP zones are a freaking joke and who ever has the most priests always win, on top of the matchmaking system always pits pre-mades vs. pugs or rank 6's vs rank 1's. IMO and again this is only "MY" opinion, I throughly believe that for instanced PvP battlegrounds to work no one should be allowed to group to join them. Which brings me to
3. The class balance is even worse in Rift then it was in WoW, and that is saying alot. The game is all about who has the most priests/clerics and mages. On top of it all every single patch classes are gutted or made OP'ed at the drop of a dime. The day they nerfed the **** out of my Riftblade/Reaver warrior soul was the day I ended up quitting, literally!
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I was really refering to it being significant in terms compared to Lotro or DDO . Has said it was the best mmo to be released since the original WoW someone would have piped up and said Lotro was a great game too ( but it is mostly pve ) . Warhammer offered more pvp but on the whole the game was buggy .
At level 30 you wouldn't have seen port scion or the new library warfront . Instanced pvp gets a bit repedative in any mmo . Nature of the beast I'm afraid .
Like you I think its something to be played intermitantly . I'm the same with most mmos though . I'll play through the content then when I get bored take a break and come back to it when more is added .
"TO MICHAEL!"
I made it to end game, I m just stating by 30 or so it became extremely boring.
Same is true of WoW whoever has the most healers wins . Yeah the world could be bigger but at least there is world pvp not to detract too far from my original topic . Current day Warcaft has next to no world pvp now compared to Rift which is a shame because it is a very well designed world . Its just next to nobody uses it . Imbalancing is always a problem in mmos . WoW has tried to get over it by limiting customisation which robs half the fun out of playing an experimenting with what works . WoW Vanilla pvp was very imbalanced too . As a hunter you couldn't lay traps in combat back then etc . If RiftBlade reaver wasn't working for you try something else that does . You see thats the difference between an mmo thats spoonfed and one that isn't . Its about rising to the challenge .
I'm finding the oppersite . Horses for courses I guess .
Rift, is and will always be one of the easiest games out there. I m glad you like it, but lets be honest here, Rift is far from hard and well alot closer to spoon fed then alot of MMOs. As I said I mainly played on a pvp server and there was literally no pvp.
As I said, it had the potential for a great pvp end game, bt they really screwed it.
hm, i guess opinions differ, you said the battlegrounds "being the best you've ever seen"... in my case the battlegrounds where the reason to stop playing rift ^^
nothing really new same old circle zerging tactics... reminded me ALOT of AB and alikes.
but hell, hf with rift
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Ive read that Rift is like vanilla wow and I think part of Trion's selling point was that it was so. Some seem to see vanilla in Rift but for myself I see it more of a combination or many games. I felt the game is laid out similar to Warhammer with its small linear zones and of course the rifts / public quests im sure factor into that. I also found comparisons to EQ2 as well. Im not saying Rift isnt a good solid game. I think what RIft does it does very well, but as someone who played vanilla it doesnt remind me of it much at all.
Really? This game sucks and Im not having fun? Im going to unsub right now. Thanks for the tip.
"TO MICHAEL!"
I hated Rift in beta. Not really sure why. Came back a few weeks ago and I'm really enjoying it. I'll be playing it up to ToR release. I might hold onto it after specifically FOR the pvp if I don't like ToR's. It's kinda funny. People list things they don't like about Rift and give examples. Examples of which can be applied to WoW or any other pvp game.
Balance is worse than WoW's? Perhaps in some ways. They have a lot more options in terms of how you spec though so that's to be excpected I suppose. I'm finding it very fun though. Really enjoying my warlock/necro. Nerfs and buffs changing the power landscape of given classes? WoW is pretty notorious for that.
My point is you can't say Rift is a terrible game for these things when they happen in just about any other MMO out there with comparable features. I don't hate WoW. I think WoW was a very good game. I don't like WoW simply BECAUSE it's WoW. I need something, anything different even if it's worse in some ways.
There are many people out there like me. If you haven't tried Rift and are thinking about giving it a whirl, go ahead. There are much worse games out there you could be playing.
"among the best I've seen" you misquoted me . I didn't say they were the absolute best I've seen . The instanced pvp I've seen in an MMO would be Alterac Valley by a mile . One battle ground the Codex has some similarities to Arathi Basin but it also requires different tactics to win it . Zerging never won Arathi Basin anyway . I would agree they arn't paticulary new as such though and are based on what has gone before in the WoW battlegrounds and Warhammers scenarios but each has its own twist so is different enough to be interesting .
Have fun with it, I left Rift, but heck, I only played WoW in beta, so I played Rift longer than I played WoW....
Trion is still putting out stuff, so it's hard to compare a game with lots of expansions to a current one, as some are trying, but I see no reason why Rift cannot end up having as much stuff to do as WoW at some point, and even if the activities are similar...It is different, and people like that sometimes.
I like more sandbox in my games, like more in depth crafting/harvesting, more of a player economy and such, so it felt a little too restrictive to me, but thats me, not Rift's fault...Vanguard was the last themepark that had those qualities that I played...But it of course had other problems...
I am looking forward to GW2 WvWvW, hoping that they can recapture some DAoC feelings for me, if they make the objectives and such good.
Rift has thrown around some RvR type open areas as ideas and such, so it will probably eventually happen.
Theres degrees of easy . No way is Rift hardcore but it still has a little challenge to it while leveling where as WoW has virtually none . Which pvp server did you play on ? I've seen a fair bit on whitefall . Nothing like the days arounds southshore and tarren mill in WoW Vanilla though but certainly a lot more than you see in Warcraft now where you'll be lucky to see a person questing in the open world . Leveling through the Warfronts is slower than the Battlegrounds too . In WoW now you can go up one level by doing certain battle grounds on certain weekends . The same apply to leveling through doing instances in WoW .
Yeah Rifts pretty easy but nothing compared to the /facepalm easy content we see in WoW these days . I would personally have done things differently in Rift teleporting to instances and not having to physically trave to them in the game enviroment its a big No No on a PVP server . It somehow seams to have had less effect in Rift that it did in WoW though. I wont deny that its flawed but its also a lot of fun and still the best mmo I've played with some pvp in it since since WoW was released .
For my money it is the best mmo since the original WoW vanilla . No it doesn't compare to what WoW was back then which is hands down the best time I had in an mmo but this is good methodone for anyone with a WoW addiction who keeps slipping and going back only to realise WoW will never be what it once was . I feel absolutly no interest at all any more in Warcraft because the game I enjoyed doesn't exist anymore and Rifts a great alternative.
I don't know how well Rift will weather the juggernaut that is StarWars TOR . I suspect that like me many people will leave and coming back will depend on that games quality and longevity .
No I wouldn't say its better than WoW Vanilla . I would say its better than what WoW currently offers maybe not in terms of the amount of content but definatly in the quality and in the direction Trion seams to be intending on taking compared to where Blizzard have taken Warcraft . Obviously or I would be playing WoW now .
I really enjoy rift myself. A lot of the complaints are pretty much copy pasted complaints that really hold very little value. Mostly the standerd "This game sucks cause it doesn't launch with as much content as a 5 year old game!" or "PvP Sucks cause I have some grand illusion of a good pvp game that not only doesn't exist, but I wouldn't probably like it even if it came out" line of complaints. Sure its not perfect, but its by far a pretty fun and entertaining game. Its a nice change with the class system from having so few classes. Sure you can argue about balance, but lets face it, even games with 4-5 classes have imbalances. Balance will never happen, and sacrficing choice for it is just... bleh.
I noticed the "direction" in this latest patch hardly mentioned PvP at all. That shows me the direction they are taking as well as things like the Adventure pack that isn't even going to be ready when 1.6 is released (which is weird, cause that's what they are pushing as "content").
Wake me when it's all added and the "direction" is found that they "seem" on taking. As far as quality, Rift has lost that title. They had a great launch but time has shown they aren't any more competent than Blizzard is. Every patch is buggy, laggy, and halfway broken so I'm not sure what "quality" you speak of anymore. None of their dungeons are ever released properly due to poor testing and the events are the buggiest things I've ever seen, which is weird because they are just rinse/repeats of each other mainly.
Quality? Look at all these patches from 1.5. It's starting to look like DCU Online.
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"TO MICHAEL!"
True and if that direction changes to a way I dont like then I'll simply quit . I don't think Blizzard or Trion are paticulary incompetent . Both fix the bugs pretty quickly . No game is ever going to be perfect its the nature of the beast . Maybe your just a bit OCD about gaming and notice things most of the rest of us overlook .I've had no real problems with lag in Rift , a little now and then but nothing like the lag I used to get in AV a few years ago .
In any event, others have stated plenty of laggy responses with Rift, which is probably due to the Gamebryo engine from Warhammer. That had the same type of "slow" response feel as Rift just more so. If you haven't experienced it.. cookies to you, but it doesn't mean plenty of posters whose posts I could link didn't.
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"TO MICHAEL!"
I would agree with the OP. Rift is the most fun I've had in an MMO since vanilla WoW, and I see this sentiment echoed a lot in chat while playing the game.
The dungeons I've done so far I actually liked better then the ones in WoW.
I've experienced more world PvP in one day with Rift then I did in two months when I resubbed to try out Cat. Two months leveling a new toon in WoW and the only only world PvP I encountered was when an 85 dropped out of the sky, one hit me, then flew away.
There are certianly some balance issues, but I've also found that a lot of the issues people have with balance aren't really any problem with the balance at all. As a mage in WoW I pretty much new that a rogue, even a mediocre one, is going to kill me, and the same for a lock. I'm not really encountering any one class in Rift that gets a free win because their the paper to my rock. Not saying it doesn't exist, just that after learning how my mage spells work, and after playing around with builds of other souls I was having trouble with, I've learned how to handle them. I started out dying a lot to rogues and necros, now I understand how to distrupt them and I'm getting as many kills on them as they get on me.
I don't know about other classes, but my mage is a lot more then just pressing three buttons, whcih was literally all I had to press in WoW. I actively use the f1-f12 keys, 1-6 keys, Q, E, and two side buttons on my mouse. I've found that PvP in Rift demands a lot more attention then WoW.
I love the Rifts. I think they're great. There's always someone putting together groups to just farm the rifts. The zone events are a blast. No, they're not really that dynamic, and they don't really effect the world that much, but losing a zone event kind of sucks. The marks you get for winning buy you some nice stuff.
I group a LOT in Rift. I never grouped as much in WoW, and I played that for about 5 years with a friend and brother nightly. I'm not the sort to activily look for people to group with, but always end up running around with someone or two. I'm finding that there are a lot of quests that you can't do solo. Plus my mage really shines in a group. My mage in WoW would farm dozens of mobs at once with AoE, I never needed anyone. If I want to do the same thing in Rift I either need a tank or a healer, and preferably both.
It's not a game for people that are tired of playing a game like EQ2 or WoW, but people that do enjoy playing that kind of MMO, and just wants something newer, then Rift is a great game.