Knock at the door, phone call, parents (if they live with), wife, kids, etc... RL has actual responsibility that takes precedence over game-time, even if you're in a group.
When you play mmo in a group you actually play with real people on the other side. And it's bad manners to go afk and don;t even bother to say so or sorry after you come back. treating people like sh** speaks a lot of those people and rl resposibilities aren't an excuse here.
Nope mate thats not an excuse but the explanation. RL (kids,wife) HAVE priority of any game and YOU are the person who yet has to learn that. Its not treating people like shit but relying on their commons sense and understanding.
We could also call that generations-conflict in games. Just ask the age of you party memebers and if nobody is > 15 you should be good to go with nothing interupting but someones mom calling to bring the trash out...
There's one thing all of my parties/premades have had in common: we were either really good friends in real life or we were not raised in a North American culture.
In Asia, it is EXTREMELY rude to walk off, go afk, regardless of the game, or situation at hand. Every situation is given an equal amount of respect. My grand father fell down the stairs, broke his hip bone, and died at the hospital a week later. I was the only one in the house. When I heard the fall, I quickly typed in Final Fantasy XI "gotta go, emergency" and hit the log off button. Took less than 10 seconds considering how fast everyone types and how - down, enter are to press. In WoW, League and others it's even easier, type and alt+F4.
My mother recently had a suicidal outbreak while I was at work, I promptly typed an email to my supervisor, went back home, fixed my damn mother, and came back to work ready for an onslaught of "why did you leave work so urgently". I gave no excuses, I constantly apologized and bowed my head.
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i'm WITH this guy.
Agreed, some americans need to learn respect others than themselves.
yeah its bad manners to go afk every time you are in a group, if you think you will be busy with something else or want to watch a movie or something don't bother to group with other people, well that is the main reason I roll tanks, if the moron is afk with normally is some dps, I just kick the moron and find a replace far easyer, hell since its a dps we can live without one without a problem.
Bad manners are fairly common in mmo's, but in my experience it tends to come from the younger players who either a) think they know it all or b) pay no regard to anyone else. It basically comes down to selfishness. You can't tell me that every time someone goes afk it's for an emergency but anyone who didn't quickly leave for an emergency is being selfish in the opposite direction. Typing, "got to go, emergency", takes all of 5 seconds. I'm pretty sure that 99% of the time though, it's not an emergency but a lack of respect and manners.
I am sorry, but while if the doorbell rings I will type to my group that "Answering the doorbell." Or "Phone-call some attention diverted but still here" *BUT* If I hear someone falling down the stairs -- you can bet your bottom dollar that the PUG or even guild group is NOT what I am going to be thinking about at that time.
You say it only took 10 seconds. I am sorry but in those situations 10 seconds can be the difference between life and death. I will put it this way -- I could be in a phone conversation with an important client even and if I heard someone fall down the stairs I would just drop the phone and run.
The problem is people who afk more than 1 minute out of every hour they play, and dont do things like "I need to go to the bathroom -- break 90 seconds after this encounter"
I am sorry, but while if the doorbell rings I will type to my group that "Answering the doorbell." Or "Phone-call some attention diverted but still here" *BUT* If I hear someone falling down the stairs -- you can bet your bottom dollar that the PUG or even guild group is NOT what I am going to be thinking about at that time.
You say it only took 10 seconds. I am sorry but in those situations 10 seconds can be the difference between life and death. I will put it this way -- I could be in a phone conversation with an important client even and if I heard someone fall down the stairs I would just drop the phone and run.
The problem is people who afk more than 1 minute out of every hour they play, and dont do things like "I need to go to the bathroom -- break 90 seconds after this encounter"
The stuff in read is exactly how I see it. My family will come BEFORE anybody or anything in a game. Ever. Some hyper competitive shmuck that complains about dieing in a game is even further down the list.
Also... you live in Markham.... bwahahahahaha << @ Lienheart
No required quests! And if I decide I want to be an assassin-cartographer-dancer-pastry chef who lives only to stalk and kill interior decorators, then that's who I want to be, even if it takes me four years to max all the skills and everyone else thinks I'm freaking nuts. -Madimorga-
Let's be honest, how many of you have had to run from your computer for a life or death situation? You're taking what the OP spoke about and applying it to the extreme.
I am sorry, but while if the doorbell rings I will type to my group that "Answering the doorbell." Or "Phone-call some attention diverted but still here" *BUT* If I hear someone falling down the stairs -- you can bet your bottom dollar that the PUG or even guild group is NOT what I am going to be thinking about at that time.
You say it only took 10 seconds. I am sorry but in those situations 10 seconds can be the difference between life and death. I will put it this way -- I could be in a phone conversation with an important client even and if I heard someone fall down the stairs I would just drop the phone and run.
The problem is people who afk more than 1 minute out of every hour they play, and dont do things like "I need to go to the bathroom -- break 90 seconds after this encounter"
The stuff in read is exactly how I see it. My family will come BEFORE anybody or anything in a game. Ever. Some hyper competitive shmuck that complains about dieing in a game is even further down the list.
Also... you live in Markham.... bwahahahahaha << @ Lienheart
I dare you to find me if you have the balls. I wanted to start a youtube channel on what happens to trolls who come to me over the internet; then I realized I'd probably get into massive shit by dem pigs.
Let's be honest, how many of you have had to run from your computer for a life or death situation? You're taking what the OP spoke about and applying it to the extreme.
As I said, I have, and we still have some North American "I AM GREATER THAN EVERYONE ELSE" attitude going on.
Took me probably 3 seconds at most to type and hit away. I'm fast, I'm strong, and I work out on a regular basis and could kick 99% of this forum's ass easily wing tsun style but I am NOT fast enough to catch an old man falling down the stairs when I cannot visually see the impending crisis.
Of course, other people they're able to...when you're no where near my level lol
Originally posted by Distopia Knock at the door, phone call, parents (if they live with), wife, kids, etc... RL has actual responsibility that takes precedence over game-time, even if you're in a group.
Agree we can't always be sure about our game time, so not big deal if we fail, life is more important too. Game is for win & loose and keep try, so nothing wrong with random party, to me it's better then nothing too.
try before buy, even if it's a game to avoid bad surprises. Worst surprises for me: Aion, GW2
I am sorry, but while if the doorbell rings I will type to my group that "Answering the doorbell." Or "Phone-call some attention diverted but still here" *BUT* If I hear someone falling down the stairs -- you can bet your bottom dollar that the PUG or even guild group is NOT what I am going to be thinking about at that time.
You say it only took 10 seconds. I am sorry but in those situations 10 seconds can be the difference between life and death. I will put it this way -- I could be in a phone conversation with an important client even and if I heard someone fall down the stairs I would just drop the phone and run.
The problem is people who afk more than 1 minute out of every hour they play, and dont do things like "I need to go to the bathroom -- break 90 seconds after this encounter"
The stuff in read is exactly how I see it. My family will come BEFORE anybody or anything in a game. Ever. Some hyper competitive shmuck that complains about dieing in a game is even further down the list.
Also... you live in Markham.... bwahahahahaha << @ Lienheart
I dare you to find me if you have the balls. I wanted to start a youtube channel on what happens to trolls who come to me over the internet; then I realized I'd probably get into massive shit by dem pigs.
Ok dude, PM me a neutral location you think would work, and I'll gladly haul ass over there. You're close enough to drive to and I'm finding myself more bored as days go by so by all means....
Your move... Choose wisely.
No required quests! And if I decide I want to be an assassin-cartographer-dancer-pastry chef who lives only to stalk and kill interior decorators, then that's who I want to be, even if it takes me four years to max all the skills and everyone else thinks I'm freaking nuts. -Madimorga-
This is one reason I dislike instanced dungeons. You had someone have to go, or your group is arguing and going no where. Just join another, or pick someone up. You didn't have to start all over again.
Sent me an email if you want me to mail you some pizza rolls.
Originally posted by Joliust This is one reason I dislike instanced dungeons. You had someone have to go, or your group is arguing and going no where. Just join another, or pick someone up. You didn't have to start all over again.
Best system is used by WoW though, as when someone left or got kicked, game send you new player to instance.
try before buy, even if it's a game to avoid bad surprises. Worst surprises for me: Aion, GW2
This is one reason I dislike instanced dungeons. You had someone have to go, or your group is arguing and going no where. Just join another, or pick someone up. You didn't have to start all over again.
Best system is used by WoW though, as when someone left or got kicked, game send you new player to instance.
So you can enter an instance with say 3 players you know -- and it assigns you 2 randoms... You dont like the power level/guild/whatever of them so you boot both. It assigns you 2 more -- one kind of makes the cut the other not -- you kick the latter -- it gives you another new player -- ouch -- kick -- it gives you another player....?
That would seem kind of a cruel system if it works out that way typically.
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The only friend of mine that plays MMOs at all plays Guild Wars, and I dont know if he's still doing it.
Guild Wars bored me to death in days. No way I'm gonna play that.
yeah its bad manners to go afk every time you are in a group, if you think you will be busy with something else or want to watch a movie or something don't bother to group with other people, well that is the main reason I roll tanks, if the moron is afk with normally is some dps, I just kick the moron and find a replace far easyer, hell since its a dps we can live without one without a problem.
Bad manners are fairly common in mmo's, but in my experience it tends to come from the younger players who either a) think they know it all or b) pay no regard to anyone else. It basically comes down to selfishness. You can't tell me that every time someone goes afk it's for an emergency but anyone who didn't quickly leave for an emergency is being selfish in the opposite direction. Typing, "got to go, emergency", takes all of 5 seconds. I'm pretty sure that 99% of the time though, it's not an emergency but a lack of respect and manners.
actualy it comes down to 'its just a game' mentality.
i could never see how people blow a trumpet for social analyse while its just a damn computergame that you play with others.
ok i see theres people leaving job,family and such aside of their progression in game. but these people need help anyway.
I am sorry, but while if the doorbell rings I will type to my group that "Answering the doorbell." Or "Phone-call some attention diverted but still here" *BUT* If I hear someone falling down the stairs -- you can bet your bottom dollar that the PUG or even guild group is NOT what I am going to be thinking about at that time.
You say it only took 10 seconds. I am sorry but in those situations 10 seconds can be the difference between life and death. I will put it this way -- I could be in a phone conversation with an important client even and if I heard someone fall down the stairs I would just drop the phone and run.
The problem is people who afk more than 1 minute out of every hour they play, and dont do things like "I need to go to the bathroom -- break 90 seconds after this encounter"
The stuff in read is exactly how I see it. My family will come BEFORE anybody or anything in a game. Ever. Some hyper competitive shmuck that complains about dieing in a game is even further down the list.
Also... you live in Markham.... bwahahahahaha << @ Lienheart
No required quests! And if I decide I want to be an assassin-cartographer-dancer-pastry chef who lives only to stalk and kill interior decorators, then that's who I want to be, even if it takes me four years to max all the skills and everyone else thinks I'm freaking nuts. -Madimorga-
Let's be honest, how many of you have had to run from your computer for a life or death situation? You're taking what the OP spoke about and applying it to the extreme.
I dare you to find me if you have the balls. I wanted to start a youtube channel on what happens to trolls who come to me over the internet; then I realized I'd probably get into massive shit by dem pigs.
As I said, I have, and we still have some North American "I AM GREATER THAN EVERYONE ELSE" attitude going on.
Took me probably 3 seconds at most to type and hit away. I'm fast, I'm strong, and I work out on a regular basis and could kick 99% of this forum's ass easily wing tsun style but I am NOT fast enough to catch an old man falling down the stairs when I cannot visually see the impending crisis.
Of course, other people they're able to...when you're no where near my level lol
Agree we can't always be sure about our game time, so not big deal if we fail, life is more important too. Game is for win & loose and keep try, so nothing wrong with random party, to me it's better then nothing too.
try before buy, even if it's a game to avoid bad surprises.
Worst surprises for me: Aion, GW2
Ok dude, PM me a neutral location you think would work, and I'll gladly haul ass over there. You're close enough to drive to and I'm finding myself more bored as days go by so by all means....
Your move... Choose wisely.
No required quests! And if I decide I want to be an assassin-cartographer-dancer-pastry chef who lives only to stalk and kill interior decorators, then that's who I want to be, even if it takes me four years to max all the skills and everyone else thinks I'm freaking nuts. -Madimorga-
This is one reason I dislike instanced dungeons. You had someone have to go, or your group is arguing and going no where. Just join another, or pick someone up. You didn't have to start all over again.
Sent me an email if you want me to mail you some pizza rolls.
Best system is used by WoW though, as when someone left or got kicked, game send you new player to instance.
try before buy, even if it's a game to avoid bad surprises.
Worst surprises for me: Aion, GW2
So you can enter an instance with say 3 players you know -- and it assigns you 2 randoms... You dont like the power level/guild/whatever of them so you boot both. It assigns you 2 more -- one kind of makes the cut the other not -- you kick the latter -- it gives you another new player -- ouch -- kick -- it gives you another player....?
That would seem kind of a cruel system if it works out that way typically.
The majority of the population is, and always will be, insanely stupid.