I dont only suck at it, but I also DONT GIVE A **** DAMN about getting better. Its just no fun. Even if I would be uber, I would still be bored to tears by FPS.
In the end, I want every game to be a bit like chess, where you have to THINK before you move. FPS arent like that at all.
FPS games such as Battlefield and even PAYDAY can be like chess. Back when BF games first released...me and a bunch of friends lan partied and played it all night and it was much like chess. But just as MMO's are going, so are the FPS games...where it's "GO GO GO!" or you are a noob.
FPS games such as Battlefield and even PAYDAY can be like chess. Back when BF games first released...me and a bunch of friends lan partied and played it all night and it was much like chess. But just as MMO's are going, so are the FPS games...where it's "GO GO GO!" or you are a noob.
That's why I only play solo shooters, I don't want to hang around a bunch of dick-waving spastic losers.
You are playing FPS for some weeks and want to compete on the level of people who played different FPS for decades? It's not that you are "not FPS person", it's just that you can't just get the ball first time in your life and compete with even mediocre player who played the game for decade. Those things take skill, you know.
It's not that your mouse is slow. It's that you don't know instinctively where you should point it a every given moment, so you need to think about it and then move it much further than people who play the game for years. It's not that you need to rush or not to rush, it's that you can't, at a glance, evaluate the situation and your tactical position, advantages and timing, and know, when to rush and when not to rush; when to risk and when not to risk.
I have a pretty bad reaction time, but I have nice tactical feeling of the battlefield, even if I say so myself, so I play on equal terms with much faster "twitchy" players. But it took some serious time - months of playing - to develop that sense.
As for memorizing the map - there is simply no alternative. Those who know the terrain have inherent tactical and strategic advantage over those who don't. That's why in real-life military always memorise map, watch photos, build mockups of areas of operations and train in them...
Now, about balancing. That is a very valid point. Those who have low win/lose ration have to be grouped together, to help them play with their peers and have fun. There should be, probably, "champions" or "rating" regime where should be no such matching, but in everyday, random battles it MUST exist; there is no reason for it not to be.
My eyes roll from your eyes rolling,
If you think any FPS has ANYTHING TO DO WITH REAL LIFE COMBAT YOU HAD BEEN PLAYING VIDEO TOO LONG !
Yes, sitting in front of your computer has nothing to do with anything :
1) First your reaction time is nothing to real life.
2) Getting over the Fear Factor is by far the most hardest to over come of anything when hunting game or people. Its called buck fever. Its the shock of your reactions when you encounter your target. Your adrenalin flows, your breathing changes, and your mindset is never what you expect no mater what you prepare for !!!!!
3) Nerve, do you really think you can kill a human ?.....You will say yes, but when your faced with it would you. This would be ten fold if you spend all your time playing video games.
4) Can you really sit and wait six hours for the perfect shot. Do you know how crazy your mind wonders, and your thinking changes when waiting ?
5) do you really think you know how people will react to a gun shot ?......Do you think it's like a video game ?
6) Are you prepared for the aftermath of even just shooting one round, and are you prepared for retaliation ?
7) better 360 view in RL
8) Do you know how to read noises, such as wildlife vs. Humans ? Do you know how to distinguish between a simple squirrel or a human ?
9) are you really a good shot, Have you ever really shot a hand gun ?...It takes a lot of practice to even hit 12" pie plate at 25 yards !
This is only off the top of my head. If I had time I could list at least 10 more differences....Video Gamers !!!
I dont only suck at it, but I also DONT GIVE A **** DAMN about getting better. Its just no fun. Even if I would be uber, I would still be bored to tears by FPS.
In the end, I want every game to be a bit like chess, where you have to THINK before you move. FPS arent like that at all.
Originally posted by gimmesome
Honestly, this is kind of where I started to question my friends who are always hooked on the fotm FPS at any given time. I ask "what's the point of doing the same 5 maps over and over?" and "you suck dude. I haven't seen you kill anyone yet. You are willing to deal with this over and over until you just remember the spawn points and the hiding spots? once you get to that point, won't you be bored of playing the same maps/scenerios anyway?"
Reminds me of how I saw Tetris and Diablo 2.
I was always amazed about people who keep playing these games for hours, days, weeks, months ... what the heck ? No idea how they keep themselves motivated. I always want a new story, a new opponent, a new area, and a ***load of abilities where I have to think what I have to do next.
And that is where you are unequivocally wrong. If you don't think before you move in an FPS, you will be gunned down time after time. You need to have awareness, you need to understand the situations you are getting yourself into, you need to evaluate the risk of performing certain actions, you need to think like the enemy and understand exactly what they will do. In fact, good FPS players are very similar to good chess players in that they are always a few steps ahead of their opponent. They know what their opponent will do, they know where to strike, when to strike, and how to strike.
The difference is that this type of gameplay requires thinking, evaluating, improvisation, etc. to be done much more quickly.
I recently bought BF3 and have been playing all weekend.
(I needed SOMETHING to play while I wait for swtor/guildwars/archage/TSW)
It's a fantastic game. The graphics are second to none. It pulls you in and makes you feel not only like you're a part of the battle, but also as if you're really outside, in the sun, and the dirt, with the trees and the water and the wind. The sound quality is amazing and the intense feeling of danger is always there.
The problem is I simply am not as good as I hoped I would be. I know I'm not supposed to be uberkiller within the first 3 days of playing, but, I'm consistently at the bottom of the ranks in every map I play. Every tip I've followed says to fine tune my mouse, memorize the maps, and think tactically instead of rushing in.... I do this and end up frustrated because:
1) My mouse feels great to me, I just don't seem 'quick' enough
2) Even when I am quicker and fire first, it seems to take more bullets from me to kill them, if at all... while they fire back 1 shot and I die.
3) I don't have all day to play, so memorizing the maps will take a while for me
4) There doesn't seem to be any matchmaking that works, because it seems like every scenerio I'm in with a bunch of hardcores that treat me like I'm supposed to be hardcore too, not taking into account that the game just BARELY launched.
5) While I try to take the time and find the tactical approach, or a good hiding spot, I'm always wtfpwned by someone rushing in, doing exactly what I'm told I'm not supposed to do... If I stop moving, regardless where I am, it feels like someone was following me or watching me the whole time. It's just frustrating.
So, whining aside, I've realized that I really am just not an FPS player. I'm not. I'm no good. I don't have the drive or the time to practice practice practice memorize memorize memorize before the game starts to become fully enjoyable for me. I bought the game because I am now (unfortunately) a casual gamer, with real life items that limit my game time. I thought FPS was the king of the casual games. I thought I could install, jump on, pew pew, have some fun, get some kills, and log off. I was sorely mistaken, and left with a thick feeling of discouragement.
I miss my mmorpgs. I miss my brain being the competitive edge, instead of just my twitch skills. I miss itemization, and customization, and progression having an impact on the outcome of battle. I miss how my comfort with a keyboard and mouse and hotkeys and macros and stat calculations and knowledge of lore/world effected my win/loss ratio. This is what got me into MMORPGs in the first place. On an equal battlefield, I lose if it comes down to who's twitchiness is faster. I like the imbalance that character progression and customization brought. I can win if it comes down to who knows their class better, or who knows the controls better, or who knows when to do what, and where...
I'll be honest, I hate that so many changes in the MMORPG genre have ushered in people from the FPS mindset. This vocal group have complained so much that MMORPGs aren't "Exciting" enough or not filled with constant "action" that the devs have all but given up entirely on the features that seperated MMORPGs and other game genres.
So, now what? 2 months until SWTOR... and that will be a very long 2 months if I have nothing to play in the meantime. I won't go back to WoW, because it's not even a shadow of what it once was. Everything else mmo-wise is either too old and dated; not quality at all because of lack of budget, or not released yet. I want to love BF3, because it really is a HIGH QUALITY game. (and yes, far beyond COD ) But the fact remains, I am not an FPS player.
Anyone else know where I'm coming from on this?
I feel for you I really do, in fact I coud of written what you have wrote word for word.
You are playing FPS for some weeks and want to compete on the level of people who played different FPS for decades? It's not that you are "not FPS person", it's just that you can't just get the ball first time in your life and compete with even mediocre player who played the game for decade. Those things take skill, you know.
It's not that your mouse is slow. It's that you don't know instinctively where you should point it a every given moment, so you need to think about it and then move it much further than people who play the game for years. It's not that you need to rush or not to rush, it's that you can't, at a glance, evaluate the situation and your tactical position, advantages and timing, and know, when to rush and when not to rush; when to risk and when not to risk.
I have a pretty bad reaction time, but I have nice tactical feeling of the battlefield, even if I say so myself, so I play on equal terms with much faster "twitchy" players. But it took some serious time - months of playing - to develop that sense.
As for memorizing the map - there is simply no alternative. Those who know the terrain have inherent tactical and strategic advantage over those who don't. That's why in real-life military always memorise map, watch photos, build mockups of areas of operations and train in them...
Now, about balancing. That is a very valid point. Those who have low win/lose ration have to be grouped together, to help them play with their peers and have fun. There should be, probably, "champions" or "rating" regime where should be no such matching, but in everyday, random battles it MUST exist; there is no reason for it not to be.
My eyes roll from your eyes rolling,
If you think any FPS has ANYTHING TO DO WITH REAL LIFE COMBAT YOU HAD BEEN PLAYING VIDEO TOO LONG !
Yes, sitting in front of your computer has nothing to do with anything :
1) First your reaction time is nothing to real life.
2) Getting over the Fear Factor is by far the most hardest to over come of anything when hunting game or people. Its called buck fever. Its the shock of your reactions when you encounter your target. Your adrenalin flows, your breathing changes, and your mindset is never what you expect no mater what you prepare for !!!!!
3) Nerve, do you really think you can kill a human ?.....You will say yes, but when your faced with it would you. This would be ten fold if you spend all your time playing video games.
4) Can you really sit and wait six hours for the perfect shot. Do you know how crazy your mind wonders, and your thinking changes when waiting ?
5) do you really think you know how people will react to a gun shot ?......Do you think it's like a video game ?
6) Are you prepared for the aftermath of even just shooting one round, and are you prepared for retaliation ?
7) better 360 view in RL
8) Do you know how to read noises, such as wildlife vs. Humans ? Do you know how to distinguish between a simple squirrel or a human ?
9) are you really a good shot, Have you ever really shot a hand gun ?...It takes a lot of practice to even hit 12" pie plate at 25 yards !
This is only off the top of my head. If I had time I could list at least 10 more differences....Video Gamers !!!
and when you come to a bridge do you know if a troll is lurking beneath?
ugh don't get me started on FPS, and let me be clear FPS does not an mmo make.
RPG and SCIFI and the model used by TERA are MMO models but FPS are just glorified console games ported to the massive world. Pointing and shooting at something takes oh so much skill you know. saying FPS is an mmo is like saying super mario is an MMO, they should be kept on consoles.
ugh don't get me started on FPS, and let me be clear FPS does not an mmo make.
RPG and SCIFI and the model used by TERA are MMO models but FPS are just glorified console games ported to the massive world. Pointing and shooting at something takes oh so much skill you know. saying FPS is an mmo is like saying super mario is an MMO, they should be kept on consoles.
Who here in this thread said that FPS is an MMO? I don't think that was remotely close to what anyone has said, whether they feel where I'm coming from or not....
Originally posted by Grahor Any competing game is a sport. Really. Please name a game where you compete with another player, he is very good, you are very bad, and both you and he have fun. Just one game. I'll be here, but will not hold my breath.
11.11.08 russian roulette or pitch and tossing back hand grenades.
I dont only suck at it, but I also DONT GIVE A **** DAMN about getting better. Its just no fun. Even if I would be uber, I would still be bored to tears by FPS.
In the end, I want every game to be a bit like chess, where you have to THINK before you move. FPS arent like that at all.
FPS games such as Battlefield and even PAYDAY can be like chess. Back when BF games first released...me and a bunch of friends lan partied and played it all night and it was much like chess. But just as MMO's are going, so are the FPS games...where it's "GO GO GO!" or you are a noob.
Please don't insult chess by comparing it to shooters. Grandmaster chess players like Bobby Fischer, Garry Kasparov and Mikhail Tal have IQ's over 150. How smart do you think the best Battlefield player is?
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own. -- Herman Melville
I dont only suck at it, but I also DONT GIVE A **** DAMN about getting better. Its just no fun. Even if I would be uber, I would still be bored to tears by FPS.
In the end, I want every game to be a bit like chess, where you have to THINK before you move. FPS arent like that at all.
FPS games such as Battlefield and even PAYDAY can be like chess. Back when BF games first released...me and a bunch of friends lan partied and played it all night and it was much like chess. But just as MMO's are going, so are the FPS games...where it's "GO GO GO!" or you are a noob.
Please don't insult chess by comparing it to shooters. Grandmaster chess players like Bobby Fischer, Garry Kasparov and Mikhail Tal have IQ's over 150. How smart do you think the best Battlefield player is?
FFS don't take it so literally or personal. I love playing chess too, I know what it is about. I mean in the sense that when me and my friends played back during BF 1942, we actually used teamwork, and jockied for position to get a clear advantage. We used the terrain to our advantage, used baiting tactics, flanking tactics, sat patiently as a sniper and waitied for a sure shot, etc. In other words, used patience and our brains to win.
Most FPS players these days it's simply every man for his own stats and spray and pray bunny hopping BS.
That's the thing. My experience in battlefield is yes, you wouldn't rush into a situation but you wouldn't sit for 5 minutes and ponder about how you will get anywhere. It's about just having a basic outline of what you will do and improvise and adapt based on how things changes. You might wanna play more supportive classes until you get the hang of the game. And if you really want a shooter/fps where you have to think, go pick something out of the arma series (Cold war assault, Arma 2, or wait for Arma 3), play the empires mod for half-life 2, or play nuclear dawn.
That's the thing. My experience in battlefield is yes, you wouldn't rush into a situation but you wouldn't sit for 5 minutes and ponder about how you will get anywhere. It's about just having a basic outline of what you will do and improvise and adapt based on how things changes. You might wanna play more supportive classes until you get the hang of the game. And if you really want a shooter/fps where you have to think, go pick something out of the arma series (Cold war assault, Arma 2, or wait for Arma 3), play the empires mod for half-life 2, or play nuclear dawn.
HEY FPS people reading this! The whole Arma series is on sale right now on Steam! Arma Midweek Madness
I am probably going to pick up Operation Arrowhead to complete my Arma II collection. It can be a great game, little buggy sometimes. One of the more realistic shooters out there. Takes real teamwork to complete the co-op missions. This is not your spray and pray bunnyhop type of game
Also, I really recommend Nuclear Dawn. But wait just a bit on buying it. There is going to be a free weekend soon and they have some balance issues to work out. It's a great game, takes a lot of teamwork to win and the whole commander thing is just cool. It's Source engine, so you will be familiar with the controls most likely. Fun game!
I was highly looking forward to playing FireFall (online? dunno if the popular use of "__ Online" is used in it's title.. whatever)
But seeing as it's designed as a shooter both fps and thirdperson perspectives, I think I should reconsider if I'm not able to pick up my game in BF3. I'm not on some trek to start picking up FPS games and practicing to get better or something like that. Just wanted the highest quality PC game I could find while I wait for SWTOR (esp since SWTOR might leave me wanting in the graphics dept.)
Anyone have any opinions about this approach? Should I reconsider FireFall if I suck so bad at FPS? lol
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FPS games such as Battlefield and even PAYDAY can be like chess. Back when BF games first released...me and a bunch of friends lan partied and played it all night and it was much like chess. But just as MMO's are going, so are the FPS games...where it's "GO GO GO!" or you are a noob.
That's why I only play solo shooters, I don't want to hang around a bunch of dick-waving spastic losers.
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I think you missed his point bro...
And that is where you are unequivocally wrong. If you don't think before you move in an FPS, you will be gunned down time after time. You need to have awareness, you need to understand the situations you are getting yourself into, you need to evaluate the risk of performing certain actions, you need to think like the enemy and understand exactly what they will do. In fact, good FPS players are very similar to good chess players in that they are always a few steps ahead of their opponent. They know what their opponent will do, they know where to strike, when to strike, and how to strike.
The difference is that this type of gameplay requires thinking, evaluating, improvisation, etc. to be done much more quickly.
I feel for you I really do, in fact I coud of written what you have wrote word for word.
and when you come to a bridge do you know if a troll is lurking beneath?
ugh don't get me started on FPS, and let me be clear FPS does not an mmo make.
RPG and SCIFI and the model used by TERA are MMO models but FPS are just glorified console games ported to the massive world. Pointing and shooting at something takes oh so much skill you know. saying FPS is an mmo is like saying super mario is an MMO, they should be kept on consoles.
Who here in this thread said that FPS is an MMO? I don't think that was remotely close to what anyone has said, whether they feel where I'm coming from or not....
???
russian roulette or pitch and tossing back hand grenades.
Please don't insult chess by comparing it to shooters. Grandmaster chess players like Bobby Fischer, Garry Kasparov and Mikhail Tal have IQ's over 150. How smart do you think the best Battlefield player is?
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.
-- Herman Melville
OMG, so do I! I never realized it! Though I had much more fun in games like Secret of Monkey Island than Doom...
FFS don't take it so literally or personal. I love playing chess too, I know what it is about. I mean in the sense that when me and my friends played back during BF 1942, we actually used teamwork, and jockied for position to get a clear advantage. We used the terrain to our advantage, used baiting tactics, flanking tactics, sat patiently as a sniper and waitied for a sure shot, etc. In other words, used patience and our brains to win.
Most FPS players these days it's simply every man for his own stats and spray and pray bunny hopping BS.
That's the thing. My experience in battlefield is yes, you wouldn't rush into a situation but you wouldn't sit for 5 minutes and ponder about how you will get anywhere. It's about just having a basic outline of what you will do and improvise and adapt based on how things changes. You might wanna play more supportive classes until you get the hang of the game. And if you really want a shooter/fps where you have to think, go pick something out of the arma series (Cold war assault, Arma 2, or wait for Arma 3), play the empires mod for half-life 2, or play nuclear dawn.
HEY FPS people reading this! The whole Arma series is on sale right now on Steam! Arma Midweek Madness
I am probably going to pick up Operation Arrowhead to complete my Arma II collection. It can be a great game, little buggy sometimes. One of the more realistic shooters out there. Takes real teamwork to complete the co-op missions. This is not your spray and pray bunnyhop type of game
Also, I really recommend Nuclear Dawn. But wait just a bit on buying it. There is going to be a free weekend soon and they have some balance issues to work out. It's a great game, takes a lot of teamwork to win and the whole commander thing is just cool. It's Source engine, so you will be familiar with the controls most likely. Fun game!
Ok back to Payday!
Just had a thought:
I was highly looking forward to playing FireFall (online? dunno if the popular use of "__ Online" is used in it's title.. whatever)
But seeing as it's designed as a shooter both fps and thirdperson perspectives, I think I should reconsider if I'm not able to pick up my game in BF3. I'm not on some trek to start picking up FPS games and practicing to get better or something like that. Just wanted the highest quality PC game I could find while I wait for SWTOR (esp since SWTOR might leave me wanting in the graphics dept.)
Anyone have any opinions about this approach? Should I reconsider FireFall if I suck so bad at FPS? lol