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So, do hypocrites know when they are being hypocritical? I've always wondered that. Zylaxx, thoughts?
There is a big difference between a tester's opinion and the facts about a game or MMO. A personal opinion is just that. You feel that the game will not last for you based on your tastes and experiences. Both in other games and your time in TOR. And for you it is spot on. But you can not say that your opinion will be the same as everyone else. Why can't others have a chance to formulate their own opinion without a fandboi title?
And you have a lot of time in game, but not a lot of testing time with what can make the game last for a long time for gamers. Most of the end game stuff is just now being tested and released in the tester builds. Like the FFA PvP on Tatooine and Illium objective based PvP or the new flashpoints and operations or the solo level 50 planet. Even the itemization is changing and being added as well as the mod system in flux over and over. Along with the difficulty of mobs and adding in new skills and tools for ellite mobs and world bosses.
You may have months of testing and wiping to test the same levels over and over. But how much of the current end game have you tested? How much of the current mob difficulty have you tested? How much of the game has changed just in the last month?
I don't doubt your feeling about the game, just how they relate to me. And that is all that matters to me is how my experience with the game will play out. And I can only know that based on my experience or and experience from someone I know and trust to be the same type of gamer as me.
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Nope, their opinion means just as much...Im just asking that the opinions coming from testers that seem to repeat the same sentiment over and over hold some water in the ears of those that continuously flame.
Im glad people like the game...Im a huge Bioware fan...
I don't think that you are fair to the idea that some people love/like this sort of game and some don't. I've seen nothing said, on either side, that comes down to anything more than "this is my taste".
It's like saying that "man, that Heavy Metal is so loud it's awesome!" or "damn that heavy metal is so loud. People have been saying it's loud but for some reason it keeps getting defended.
If anything, and I don't mean to be rude though I suspect it will come across that way, you and others might ahve to open their eyes and realize that one's personal taste is going to inform them as to whether or not this game is great or a pass.
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Wow nice reply, Thank you elocke. I was stunned at czek reply but then again, not really i guess.
Look what are we suppose to do hate a game cause u hate it. Im sorry thats not gonna happen i have loved my l ittle time in tor.
The guy at massively that writes the old republic column i think its larry everett put it best. sure leveling is like wow but to say its a wow clone is to simplify it. Bioware learned that leveling is a grind and found a way to make it not feel like a grind when u are elveling and questing
Im not good with describing how i felt but that does ti best for me. It didnt feel like i was killing x or y of this or that for no reason it didnt feel like i was recovering an artifact for no reason.
The biig diffrence in the mechanics and combat is it doesnt feel grindy or like wow. Sure its familiar but it doesnt always feel taht way. It feels somehow more heroic as if what im doing matters more. Does it in the larger sceme of things no but it feels like it.
The choices feel like they matter to my characer does that mean they affect the wideer world i cant say if they do or not since i dont make it past a 10 as i wanted to test as many starter people asi could. They felt lke the choices i made mattered maybe not to world at large but to him;.
I lvoed the game and u hateing it doesnt make ma a fanatic. i can stick up for the game i like. im allowed u dont like it fine but i did i loved my time in tor and im jonesing for more.
Say what u will but u likeing a game or not doesnt matter to me u can hate it and your hateing it is fine but im tired of people thinking it is there duty to convert me and others who love tor to change our opinions just cause they didnt like a game thats just stupid and unrealistic of u.
Who made anyone god that is there job to change anyones opinion. I just feel a need to let people know the haters arent always right sure u might not like tor if u try it but try it for yourself cause i loved it and so did alot of others.
And what is this sentiment? and i asked you earlier but why everyone needs to confirm to this sentiment? you talk about being fair and all but yet from other side you expect everyone to agree with whatever sentiments or opinions these so called testers have.
I am a tester too by the way and have been for 6 months now. My impressions are very different and mostly positive with few negative but you don't see me telling anyone 'hey you all are wrong so better agree with me'. I only argue when people try to spread mis information otherwise i could care less if someone disliked the game.
For every tester who says something negative there is one who says positive. So to whom should everyone listen to exactly?
Im so glad you didnt read my post....or absorb it at least....I never said I hate the game....What I am saying is stop flaming every negative opinion on the game. The game has great positives, but it does have flaws...
This is the type of blind fanboyism post that makes normal people feel disgusted by fanbois of a game. You're raging on him because he's saying the truth about the game, the game isn't a good game, it's decent at best. As someone who played almost every MMO since 1997 UO, I can honestly say that. I also happened to test SWTOR for a couple of months until I got bored of it and uninstalled.
OP stop trying to come here and tell people they are wrong and the game is bad.
I really wish people would stop defending games to the bitter end too, but sharing the positives and helping someone else to be interested in something they may enjoy is a good thing.
Warning people about what they could potentially found out to be a "bad purchase" is a good thing too.
Unfortunately, the only thing one can do is try and supply the facts and figures in an unbiased, un-spinned way and let the individual figure it out for themselves.
But that concept is so completely foreign to people these days. We turn on the news to not hear what is going on in the world but to be told what our opinion is.
It's the same on this website.
Very few have ANY perspective with a range wider then their own nose.
We spout our opinions as facts and crucify anyone who doesn't conform.
This generation of young people will ruin the world.
I played UO since 99 and have played everything since, and I say YOU are wrong and this game is the best designed and most impressive title since WoW back in 2004.
So who is more right?
Read my post above - get some perspective and stop telling people what their opinion is and that they "can trust you" because honestly, no, no we can't.
Stop it!
As long as you acknowledge the fact that your opinion is not necessarily a fact, and understand that there are a lot of long-term beta testers out there who have the opinion that the game is fantastic, and that neither of your opinions matter in the eyes of those of us whose ultimate rating of this game will be determined by how much fun WE have playing it, then I have no issues with what you said, although I still don't see the reason for starting this thread.
"Im just asking that the opinions coming from testers that seem to repeat the same sentiment over and over hold some water"
Where does it say "me" in the above quote....where does it say "take as gods mouth to your ears"? All I said was "hold some water"....that's it...consider, don't shoot it down immediately
And i never said game didnt have flaws. I just dont see why its up to u to make me see every one of them.
I actually like that the combat and mechanics are familiar. What matters to me is how the game plays and feels
This game played very smooth and was fun tahts all i care about.
I dont want innovation in everything an mmo does. why fix whats not broken and to me combat and basic mechanics arent broken and i love that bioware used story and choices to make there game feel diffrent.
it does a huge job of making it feel like you arent grinding and as if your quests have an actual reason to them.
why must we have games that change everything we know about mmos .
Innovation doesnt equal fun. it usually equtes to broken unfinished mess that doesnt work right.
id rather go with a treid and true system while doing what they do best in there single player games with story and chocie then try to chagne combat and mechancis of mmos and leave me with a broke unplayable mess.
Im so tired of people trying to convince me im wrong to like tor. Im tired of people who want to make me see every thing they dont like about this game as a flaw when i dont see them as flaws just because u do.
And trying to get us to do that does make u seem to be playign god in the mmo opinion verse.
OH i respect why u dont like tor if u do so in a manner that explains to me why. Without lies. Guys who didnt liek this and told me why in a manner i understood i respect and wont try to convince them they are wrong
U dont have to like tor. im just saying just because u dont like tor doesnt mean i have to not like tor. i actually would perfer more chocies in character builder thats the biggest flaw in this game to me so far.
The other flaws u see i dont see as flaws but smart choices.
GOOD game is completely subjective so there no there is no truth in OP's statement. For me and others game is very good so i guess i am a liar according to your logic? i am also playing MMOS since UO and SWTOR is an amazing experince for me. See how that works out?
In your OP you even tell people to trust you that game is not epic and ground breaking, so my above reply reply is an extension of your OP. if someone finds the game epic why do they need to trust you on that? it is a simple question really.
You are one of the testers aren't you? your OP is urging people to trust these testers with their honest reviews right? sorry but that sounds alot mre than just 'hold some water'.
What you fail to understand that there are two sides to every coin. if someone makes a similar topic and urge everyone to trust their positive reviews i would still react in same way.
Let players decide for themselves instead of trying to influence them and tell them what or what they shouldn't consider epic, ground breaking, fun or what ever.
I played the game. I like the game. It's as simple as that.
People take this stuff waaay too seriously.
i agree soup . Oh and telling us to trust u but not the positive reviewers does make it seem like u are tryign to play god with who plays tor or not.
u didnt find it groundbreaking i found the story and choice aspects to not only be groundbreaking but a great next step in mmo design. I also find it innovative.
As i said why should we belive your review is the correct one for us unless u are the god of opinions in the mmo universe. Which u arent.
Only advice i have for anyong thinking of playign to try it for yourselves. Then decide if its your game. I cant tell u if u will like a game or not i can only tell u what i thought of a game.
No one out ther can tell u if ull like tor they can only give u there assesment of the game its up to u to decide if u will play it or not and trying to cinvince someone not to is playign god in the mmo world of games.
Just because someone didnt like tor or find it groundbreaking doesnt mean u wont and that i didnt.
I probably used the incorrect word by saying "epic", but I definitely meant groundbreaking....I'd like for someone to try to give an objective reason for how this game is ground-breaking...it's not...period....epic is wide open for opinion, so I see your and many other's point there....Ill take that one back.
Hold some water on their reviews...you can trust me that the game isn't ground-breaking...that's just a fact...Im pretty sure Bioware would concur.
Im not influencing anyone...Im just asking people to consider the opinions of those people that have actually played the game for a while, rather than immediately shrugging them off.
Good, I can sleep safely now knowing that another player completely unknown to me has given me the honor to tell me that this game is not to his liking.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
Character customization is one of the last things I care about in a game. The most I care about is hair, because thats not always covered by the helm. Besides I'm usually zoomed out so far the details dont matter. As long as i get my trooper helm!
I played one of the beta weekeneds, I know what to expect, for me, it will be a fun game that gets me back playing a MMO with my guildies again after i burnt out on WoW/Rift, and thats all I really want. Its just an added bonus it has bioware's storytelling behind it (I know many people find it cliche, but I love it) and the star wars setting (yay sci-fi! even its its psudo fantasy too).
Everyone just needs to take a deep breath, it will be over soon, and then we can get hyped up for the NEXT second coming, GW2, and then we can start ALL over again
So what exactly is ground breaking for you? let me guess GW2 right?
For a game to be ground breaking it doesn't have to break every single mold. If something isn't broken don't fix it. Bioware took everything that works well in MMO world and added some innovative features to keep the MMO feel and familiarity intact.
I find plenty of innovation in SWTOR and some might even find full VO, robust companion system (only other MMO that is close is FFXI), ground breaking. Who am i to tell them they are wrong? it is all matter of prespective.
When you tell players to trust HONEST reviews of testers you are pretty much tryign to influence their decision making. Please there is no such thing as a honest review whether it is negative or positive. Every individual has their own agends behind it.
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Ground-breaking = new to, to do something nobody has done before. it's a pretty basic concept....no real grey area to that....and don't say voice overs....Age of Conan had them in-game 3 years ago....choices of dialogue? that exhisted in single player RPGS for god knows how long...