Henrik promised us a patch on Tuesday. Then he promised a patch on wednesday. Then he promised a patch by Friday.
What isn't being talked about is that all these features that are broken were all tested and working on the test server. The question is: how did they fuck it up on the live server? Do they still have fundamental corruption issues when patching the live server? Or are they just sloppy?.
You are correct... most other games would consider this patch an utter failure. The bar is set so low for SV that even a patch such as this is considered a success. It's actually quite puzzling.
As for the testing... honestly how could anyone expect 17 volunteers (who probably didn't even login at the same time) to find all the bugs in a massively multiplayer territory control system? Simply watching the map showed that the testing was on a rather small scale. I just let the regular guys come and post about how great the patch was on the first day... while fully expecting it's true faults to be revealed as players actually used the new features. Now, as you have touched on.. many of those features are turned off. Just wait until towns start to be controlled...
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You are correct in that we have gone into the weeked - but really? We've only slipped a couple of days - the patch is imminent - we've been testing it all week and it's by far the best TC Build so far - everything seems to be working. We do have a nasty bug on the Magistrate - but think it's a quick fix.
All the free placemetn stuff is in and looks very nice - but portable crushers / campfires etc - do not drop in towns so this needs looking at too.
Also can you show me where anyone from the team said Monday, then Tuesday then.. as you've posted.
I really don't think we did but might be wrong (spreads jam on hat just in case)
Your welcome but you didn't respond to my post :-)
Mine was really more about the fact that many core items of the patch were not functioning (as found here:the core features are not working or turned off. The Tax system is not turned on. Taking over towns is disabled, and the towers are bugged. They are not upgrading defence and hp every tier. A maxed out tier tower can be killed by a couple people with swords. I know thepatch did not delete a city but the core features are not there. Not to mention the game being down for a day and the mail system disabled ) and how I didn't think it should all be blamed on the test team as a team of 17 players cannot possibly fully test a territory control system in a massively multiplayer game.
I think you were responding to Billy's.
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Originally posted by GMTheia Originally posted by darthturtle1 Theia when will? Taxation be turned on? Will find out and let you know. Towers fixed? Really looking that way on Test - HP added. Palette changed on the towers too - they look very nice Taking over towns turned on? On test yes and working - Small bug on live preventing it but we'll see how we get on when we patch Also I would like to know when solo players or small guilds get something to do with pp. As it is now TC did nothing for my guild. Interestingly there are things to farm that have quite high PP when turned into a guild - there is profit to be made in this for sure.
Thanks for quesitons - re-post this if you need more or I've ducked one.
Crap, SV brought in a real CS person. There goes the drama train I've been watching for the last year. Good start Theia, I'm gonna go watch Xsyon or something now.
Is it just me or is theia only answering half the questions??
I did not ask if it is working on the test server. As we have seen many times it works on the test server from the live game. I would like to know how can a ptach come out with a "new test team" and all the main features of the patch disabled or not working.
Also turning pp in for gold for a small guild is nothing. Gold is worthless in MO did you not know that? Materials or some of the perks keep guilds get would be better.
Is it just me or is theia only answering half the questions??
Let me try again,
I did not ask if it is working on the test server. As we have seen many times it works on the test server from the live game. I would like to know how can a ptach come out with a "new test team" and all the main features of the patch disabled or not working.
We've patched on Live now - last night for me - Tower HP is fixed - they are very hard to kill now.
Tower AI is *MUCH* more nasty with a high Defense (I know I had to Rez a lot of experienced players on test who know how to take cover- hehehe) - this is on Live now too! Early Battle Reports are saying that much blood was shed through the night!
We have 2 quick to fix but nasty bugs that made it past us on test - Spamming House Vendors - and the map not properly updating although the features are working on the server.
We'll hot fix today - then the team are off to AI - Land (which they're really looking forward t) - With a big PVE re-write (I'll hype it in my own time) that will be one of the cornerstones we've been missing for the community.
Also turning pp in for gold for a small guild is nothing. Gold is worthless in MO did you not know that? Materials or some of the perks keep guilds get would be better.
Theia is there a language barrier or something. I am not asking you what you are patching or if it is patched. What I am asking is, how can a patch come out with a new test team and all the features of the patch not work or are disabled? It makes no sense when the team and SV says it works on the test server and then when you patch none of it works. Is there a problem at a base level with the core code of the game?
Answer what I am asking not what you want to think my questionis.
i know what turtle means, he means how come patches work and are release ready on the test server and content is working on the test server. but when its launched on live it breaks?
My answer would be that test server has alot of extra code from different stuff they have worked on and often the live code isnt the same. Thats just a guess but a most likely senario
there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.
Here is a nice tid bit of info. Aphilas (focus group leader) basically admitting he new the towers were gimped and broke before the TC patch came out so his guild did not build any. It come from this thread.
While I partially agree that towers still need some looking into by the devs, I am very surprised this issue is being brought up a few weeks after the TC patch itself, by a member of the Focus Group.
The question arises why those complains are brought forward now and not during the tests with the focus group. I do not think '4 nakeds attacking a TC tower' is a scenario one couldn't have seen coming while testing. Same goes with the, claimed useless, tower offense/defense specs.
First of all, what is in Focus Groups, stays in Focus Group. So I can not comment on this. I'll give you a simple question, why do you think FEAR has not built any towers for over a week since TC release?
Here is a nice tid bit of info. Aphilas (focus group leader) basically admitting he new the towers were gimped and broke before the TC patch came out so his guild did not build any. It come from this thread.
While I partially agree that towers still need some looking into by the devs, I am very surprised this issue is being brought up a few weeks after the TC patch itself, by a member of the Focus Group.
The question arises why those complains are brought forward now and not during the tests with the focus group. I do not think '4 nakeds attacking a TC tower' is a scenario one couldn't have seen coming while testing. Same goes with the, claimed useless, tower offense/defense specs.
First of all, what is in Focus Groups, stays in Focus Group. So I can not comment on this. I'll give you a simple question, why do you think FEAR has not built any towers for over a week since TC release?
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This is extremely sad. Their "Focus Group" looks like a untrustworthy bunch of folk. He used the knowledge that Towers were useless and broken from the internal testing and tells his whole guild not to build any.
So he didn't say anything about it and then lets every other guild build them while FEAR saves their money. Hilarious.
It does not bother me so much he usde inside info to not loose money and time building bugged towers. What my problem is if they new they were bugged why did SV patch TC?? Why didn't they wait till it was fixed?? Why use the live server to test and retest patches to fix them? Isn't that why you have a test server. It is just classic SV using the live server as a test server.
It does not bother me so much he usde inside info to not loose money and time building bugged towers. What my problem is if they new they were bugged why did SV patch TC?? Why didn't they wait till it was fixed?? Why use the live server to test and retest patches to fix them? Isn't that why you have a test server. It is just classic SV using the live server as a test server.
No, no we have a Test server. We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team - we tested late last night (well all the way through) and then this afternoone before the patch went live - pretty much all TC issues are now resolved. HP, Radii, Pylons can't be naked attacked, NPC guards shoot soooo far now! arf.
No, no we have a Test server. We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team - .
Are you missing a zero at the end of that tester number? I mean, this IS an MMO right? One would normally test things like Territory Control with hundreds (if not thousands) of testers.. So I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant to say you added 100ish new testers.
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No, no we have a Test server. We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team - .
Are you missing a zero at the end of that tester number? I mean, this IS an MMO right? One would normally test things like Territory Control with hundreds (if not thousands) of testers.. So I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant to say you added 100ish new testers.
actually, they've added 100's of testers the moment the patch went live. The first 10 are pre-test testers.
Only being able to destroy the towers with siege weapons is bullshit.
it now takes roughly 500 gold + prom. points(catapult) to trow 1 boulders to destroy 1 TC tower that costs 50 gold and 120 prom. points.... not to even mention those towers that will be placed in spots that cannot be reached by catapults.
what kind of....monkey....is...trowing the darts...at the office SV?
Jack I have been asking the same question for over a year now. When you get the answer please tell me.
Only being able to destroy the towers with siege weapons is bullshit.
it now takes roughly 500 gold + prom. points(catapult) to trow 1 boulders to destroy 1 TC tower that costs 50 gold and 120 prom. points.... not to even mention those towers that will be placed in spots that cannot be reached by catapults.
what kind of....monkey....is...trowing the darts...at the office SV?
Jack I have been asking the same question for over a year now. When you get the answer please tell me.
Only being able to destroy the towers with siege weapons is bullshit.
it now takes roughly 500 gold + prom. points(catapult) to trow 1 boulders to destroy 1 TC tower that costs 50 gold and 120 prom. points.... not to even mention those towers that will be placed in spots that cannot be reached by catapults.
what kind of....monkey....is...trowing the darts...at the office SV?
Jack I have been asking the same question for over a year now. When you get the answer please tell me.
ROFL ! that just made my day...
And people wonder why some gamers dont want this game to succeed... Thanks, but I rather avoid promoting such Trial and Error design approach, whoever is pulling the strings should give lectures on how not to do stuff. I mean seriously, it almost seems like they never test their numbers but randomly roll a dice and code it down.
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You are correct... most other games would consider this patch an utter failure. The bar is set so low for SV that even a patch such as this is considered a success. It's actually quite puzzling.
As for the testing... honestly how could anyone expect 17 volunteers (who probably didn't even login at the same time) to find all the bugs in a massively multiplayer territory control system? Simply watching the map showed that the testing was on a rather small scale. I just let the regular guys come and post about how great the patch was on the first day... while fully expecting it's true faults to be revealed as players actually used the new features. Now, as you have touched on.. many of those features are turned off. Just wait until towns start to be controlled...
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Sorry Slapshot - I'm not sure that's 100% correct
Henrik said this (I know I corrected the Swenglish)
Hi everyone.
We are doing a small patch this week that will affect and solve the following:
Some weapon bugs Handle Hits other issues - IN & Fixed.
A fix for tower defense so it works correctly, and a small buff on it's total HP. IN
A fix to be enable the taking over of cities IN & Fixed
If things goes as planned the mail man will be back reworked functioning as intended IN & Fixed (dupe gone)
Some spell rebalances IN but Team feels needs more work as Thunderlash still too variable
Working on making all placeable objects using the same tower placement system. Not houses yet. IN and very damn cool!
Stat bug fixes
Some tweaks on a few spawners and stats on creatures. Nitre Queen - very, very nasty
http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/69090-update-patch-week.html
You are correct in that we have gone into the weeked - but really? We've only slipped a couple of days - the patch is imminent - we've been testing it all week and it's by far the best TC Build so far - everything seems to be working. We do have a nasty bug on the Magistrate - but think it's a quick fix.
All the free placemetn stuff is in and looks very nice - but portable crushers / campfires etc - do not drop in towns so this needs looking at too.
Also can you show me where anyone from the team said Monday, then Tuesday then.. as you've posted.
I really don't think we did but might be wrong (spreads jam on hat just in case)
Thanks Slapshot!
GMTheia
Your welcome but you didn't respond to my post :-)
Mine was really more about the fact that many core items of the patch were not functioning (as found here:the core features are not working or turned off. The Tax system is not turned on. Taking over towns is disabled, and the towers are bugged. They are not upgrading defence and hp every tier. A maxed out tier tower can be killed by a couple people with swords. I know thepatch did not delete a city but the core features are not there. Not to mention the game being down for a day and the mail system disabled ) and how I didn't think it should all be blamed on the test team as a team of 17 players cannot possibly fully test a territory control system in a massively multiplayer game.
I think you were responding to Billy's.
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Theia when will?
Taxation be turned on?
Towers fixed?
Taking over towns turned on?
Also I would like to know when solo players or small guilds get something to do with pp. As it is now TC did nothing for my guild.
You could sell PP to larger Guilds just now
GMTheia
Crap, SV brought in a real CS person. There goes the drama train I've been watching for the last year. Good start Theia, I'm gonna go watch Xsyon or something now.
Is it just me or is theia only answering half the questions??
I did not ask if it is working on the test server. As we have seen many times it works on the test server from the live game. I would like to know how can a ptach come out with a "new test team" and all the main features of the patch disabled or not working.
Also turning pp in for gold for a small guild is nothing. Gold is worthless in MO did you not know that? Materials or some of the perks keep guilds get would be better.
GMTheia
Theia is there a language barrier or something. I am not asking you what you are patching or if it is patched. What I am asking is, how can a patch come out with a new test team and all the features of the patch not work or are disabled? It makes no sense when the team and SV says it works on the test server and then when you patch none of it works. Is there a problem at a base level with the core code of the game?
Answer what I am asking not what you want to think my questionis.
i know what turtle means, he means how come patches work and are release ready on the test server and content is working on the test server. but when its launched on live it breaks?
My answer would be that test server has alot of extra code from different stuff they have worked on and often the live code isnt the same. Thats just a guess but a most likely senario
there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.
Here is a nice tid bit of info. Aphilas (focus group leader) basically admitting he new the towers were gimped and broke before the TC patch came out so his guild did not build any. It come from this thread.
http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/69408-towers-ninjas-game-2.html
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Originally Posted by Nihilanth
While I partially agree that towers still need some looking into by the devs, I am very surprised this issue is being brought up a few weeks after the TC patch itself, by a member of the Focus Group.
The question arises why those complains are brought forward now and not during the tests with the focus group. I do not think '4 nakeds attacking a TC tower' is a scenario one couldn't have seen coming while testing. Same goes with the, claimed useless, tower offense/defense specs.
First of all, what is in Focus Groups, stays in Focus Group. So I can not comment on this. I'll give you a simple question, why do you think FEAR has not built any towers for over a week since TC release?
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This is extremely sad. Their "Focus Group" looks like a untrustworthy bunch of folk. He used the knowledge that Towers were useless and broken from the internal testing and tells his whole guild not to build any.
So he didn't say anything about it and then lets every other guild build them while FEAR saves their money. Hilarious.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
It does not bother me so much he usde inside info to not loose money and time building bugged towers. What my problem is if they new they were bugged why did SV patch TC?? Why didn't they wait till it was fixed?? Why use the live server to test and retest patches to fix them? Isn't that why you have a test server. It is just classic SV using the live server as a test server.
No, no we have a Test server. We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team - we tested late last night (well all the way through) and then this afternoone before the patch went live - pretty much all TC issues are now resolved. HP, Radii, Pylons can't be naked attacked, NPC guards shoot soooo far now!
arf.
GMTheia
Are you missing a zero at the end of that tester number? I mean, this IS an MMO right? One would normally test things like Territory Control with hundreds (if not thousands) of testers.. So I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant to say you added 100ish new testers.
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Too true......
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Only being able to destroy the towers with siege weapons is bullshit.
it now takes roughly 500 gold + prom. points(catapult) to trow 1 boulders to destroy 1 TC tower that costs 50 gold and 120 prom. points.... not to even mention those towers that will be placed in spots that cannot be reached by catapults.
what kind of....monkey....is...trowing the darts...at the office SV?
Jack I have been asking the same question for over a year now. When you get the answer please tell me.
ROFL ! that just made my day...
And people wonder why some gamers dont want this game to succeed... Thanks, but I rather avoid promoting such Trial and Error design approach, whoever is pulling the strings should give lectures on how not to do stuff. I mean seriously, it almost seems like they never test their numbers but randomly roll a dice and code it down.
Or you could get 5 guys with sledgehammers and knock it down in a half hour for a fraction of the cost.
30 mins is quite some time.
So they can put it up again with still little cost so you can spend another 30minutes doing it again?
Who's going to give up first?
He who keeps his cool best wins.