I agree with your basic premise that SWTOR offers enough as an SPRPG to justify the price, but my issues are these:
1. SWTOR is worse off for being an MMORPG. Only one companion at a time, static world, red walls you can't enter...all of these things wouldn't exist if SWTOR was just a single player game. The fact that it is pushed into the MMORPG paradigm makes the game worse IMO.
2. The sub fee. I really feel like the MMORPG portion of this game is just to justify the sub fee.
i think this is the most accurate comment about the game in all posts until now. agree 100%
I completely agree with this post. It's like the board of directors were discussing KOTR III and they came to an agreement that if they MMOrphosized it, then they would make hundreds of millions instead of just millions.
... and I'm still gonna play it through at least once. Even MMOrphosized, it's still worth one play through, if nothing else than for the fact that it's a BioWare Star Wars game. I spent a couple months on each of the KOTR games, why not spend a couple months on this? It's worth that much.
I agree with your basic premise that SWTOR offers enough as an SPRPG to justify the price, but my issues are these:
1. SWTOR is worse off for being an MMORPG. Only one companion at a time, static world, red walls you can't enter...all of these things wouldn't exist if SWTOR was just a single player game. The fact that it is pushed into the MMORPG paradigm makes the game worse IMO.
2. The sub fee. I really feel like the MMORPG portion of this game is just to justify the sub fee.
i think this is the most accurate comment about the game in all posts until now. agree 100%
I completely agree with this post. It's like the board of directors were discussing KOTR III and they came to an agreement that if they MMOrphosized it, then they would make hundreds of millions instead of just millions.
... and I'm still gonna play it through at least once. Even MMOrphosized, it's still worth one play through, if nothing else than for the fact that it's a BioWare Star Wars game. I spent a couple months on each of the KOTR games, why not spend a couple months on this? It's worth that much.
Again with the SINGLE PLAYER GAME argument? Wow, just wow. So basically you are saying "I don't like it and I won't play it so it must be a single player game!" OR "I will only be playing it as a solo player so it must be an SPG!"
Honestly, this Single Player Game garbage is about THEE most pathetic argument I see on these forums. Keep spitting out this particular lie folks, it only makes you loot silly.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
If you want to compare an MMO to a SPRPG you need to reduce it to cost per hour when comparing cost.
If you paid $60 for Skyrim and put 120 hours into it and you're done with it, then you need to play 120 hours into the 1st month of an MMO and 30 hours a month after that before your bang for your buck is equal.
But I treat MMOs and SPRPG's entirely differently.
In general I like MMOs more but I haven't been able to justify them recently where Skyrim consumes nearly all of my free time.
An MMO sub is fifty cents per day. A good MMO can keep me busy for months (some for years).
If I wasn't playing an MMO, I would be spending $40 - 60 per week on new games, and these days you're lucky to get 20 hours out of a game.
It amazes me how many people either don't get this, or pretend not to get it. MMOs are one of the cheapest forms of entertainment. And TOR is giving us eight stories, where a single player KotOR game would have given us exactly one. And each of those eight stories has as much content as a single player KotOR game, without even factoring in all the shared content. The shared content is enough by itself to be equivalent to the content level in somewhere between 2 and 4 modern western RPGs.
So what do we actually get for our money with TOR? We get the content equivalent of somewhere between 10 and 12 single player BioWare games, all for $60.00 plus fifty cents a day. To get that amount of content from single player games would cost six hundred dollars or more.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
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The sub cost is irrelevant. If you aren't having fun playing it on a regular basis, don't pay the sub, and move on to something else.
I completely agree with this post. It's like the board of directors were discussing KOTR III and they came to an agreement that if they MMOrphosized it, then they would make hundreds of millions instead of just millions.
... and I'm still gonna play it through at least once. Even MMOrphosized, it's still worth one play through, if nothing else than for the fact that it's a BioWare Star Wars game. I spent a couple months on each of the KOTR games, why not spend a couple months on this? It's worth that much.
Again with the SINGLE PLAYER GAME argument? Wow, just wow. So basically you are saying "I don't like it and I won't play it so it must be a single player game!" OR "I will only be playing it as a solo player so it must be an SPG!"
Honestly, this Single Player Game garbage is about THEE most pathetic argument I see on these forums. Keep spitting out this particular lie folks, it only makes you loot silly.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
If you want to compare an MMO to a SPRPG you need to reduce it to cost per hour when comparing cost.
If you paid $60 for Skyrim and put 120 hours into it and you're done with it, then you need to play 120 hours into the 1st month of an MMO and 30 hours a month after that before your bang for your buck is equal.
But I treat MMOs and SPRPG's entirely differently.
In general I like MMOs more but I haven't been able to justify them recently where Skyrim consumes nearly all of my free time.
It amazes me how many people either don't get this, or pretend not to get it. MMOs are one of the cheapest forms of entertainment. And TOR is giving us eight stories, where a single player KotOR game would have given us exactly one. And each of those eight stories has as much content as a single player KotOR game, without even factoring in all the shared content. The shared content is enough by itself to be equivalent to the content level in somewhere between 2 and 4 modern western RPGs.
So what do we actually get for our money with TOR? We get the content equivalent of somewhere between 10 and 12 single player BioWare games, all for $60.00 plus fifty cents a day. To get that amount of content from single player games would cost six hundred dollars or more.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.