the game is unplayable. a treadmill. blizz has missed the FUNDEMENTAL essence of modern marketing. Variety. There is not the BEST tomato sauce. there are 7 best tomato sauces....extra chuncky, spicy, mushroom, extra garlicy, etc. But with WoW, you get the same thing from every server. There are two play styles. Raiding, which is only about memorizing a plan and pushing a button. Or pvp which is aboput collecting points in sterile little arenas. THEY DESTROYED the worlds they created.
Imagine if a PvE server had roving bosses that appeared in Outlands or Elwynn or Sithius. And that the best gear available came from these bosses.
Imagine if PvP servers had world pvp events. Capture Gadgetzhan or secure north Stranglethorn. And that the best gear available came from these events.
Imagine if RP servers had constant RP events that only through knowledge of lore, not the ablity to spam a button, gave rewards....the best gear available.
I never raid, let alone do heroic dungeons, but I Qed for heroics last night. Haven't played in months. Everythging is different, have no idea what rotation to use (which is disgusting that gameplay is broken down into a regimented set of actions repeated over and over----sounds like SCHOOL to me). I got booted because my dps was weak. I was booted because I didn't push the buttons they wanted me to push in the order they wanted me to push them. THIS is the failure of WoW.
I absolutely love this... The most successfully mmo in gaming history and ths guy is gonna tell them what they did wrong, lol. Why don't you go preach to the 20 or so mmos that have went free to play? They may just need your wisdom. I think Blizzard will somehow survive.....
I don't know what the OP was drinking, but saying this is the last patch before the expansion is ludicrous. Every previous expansion has come out well over a year after the announcement and since this expansion was not announced until early fall you are trying to tell us that it will be before next winter? Not likely! Plus they always have a patch before the expansion.
Secondly, there were no big changes in this patch unless you are an equipment hound and have to have the latest and greatest. Personally I hate raiding and so do most of my friends. I don't see that set being a big deal for most of us.
why are you both waiting a year or more for more content in a game that you dont play?
A little something called get Diablo 3 and a mount for one year's sub to WoW. That's why.
Thats a WoW player intellect right there for you lol. 180$ to get a 60$ game free. Add in the 25$ mount to to be generous - so you are paying 180$ to recieve 85$ worth of merchandise free and NOT playing the game you paid the 180$ for in the first place.....
Wow is still the most developed mmo out there. 4.3 has been refreshing so far. I'm not alone to day the least. The new darkmoon faire us a blast and I'm loving the games and achievements. The same people who day that wow is too casual also say its one dimensional and a gear grind. Make up your mind folks! There is tons of non raiding content. If you choose not to give it meaning that's up to you.
Wow is still the most developed mmo out there. 4.3 has been refreshing so far. I'm not alone to day the least. The new darkmoon faire us a blast and I'm loving the games and achievements. The same people who day that wow is too casual also say its one dimensional and a gear grind. Make up your mind folks! There is tons of non raiding content. If you choose not to give it meaning that's up to you.
End game is raiding or heroic dungeons, how is that tons of content?
why are you both waiting a year or more for more content in a game that you dont play?
A little something called get Diablo 3 and a mount for one year's sub to WoW. That's why.
Thats a WoW player intellect right there for you lol. 180$ to get a 60$ game free. Add in the 25$ mount to to be generous - so you are paying 180$ to recieve 85$ worth of merchandise free and NOT playing the game you paid the 180$ for in the first place.....
Man I am in the wrong bussiness.
Well, be careful not to get involved in any business that requires careful attention to detail because you missed the OP's follow up reply saying that he still plays WOW when the mood suits him. So not a waste for him at all.
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Playing it a little bit right now, it honestly hasn't changed. You're still going to grind heroics for gear/item levels and then raid a whooping 8 'new' bosses in 3 different modes depending on your playstyle (easy, normal or hard, basically). LFR (the auto-queue easy mode for raids) is a nice addition for people not intrested in joining a raid guild and make it a four-nights-a-week job to play the damn game, and it is probably the only meaningfull addition to the game in this entire expansion as it opens up content to a wider audience.
PvP is just a points grind as it always was, nothing changed here.
This article title is flat out false on so many levels, the patch changes very little about the game, it simply adds more of the same, a repeating pattern since the game released. It only simplified entry to the content with the LFR feature.
I'm honestly getting a bit tired of the seemingly advertisement-like WoW related articles on this site lately. Report on WoW (and any game for that matter) with facts please, not overhyped words.
I don't know what the OP was drinking, but saying this is the last patch before the expansion is ludicrous. Every previous expansion has come out well over a year after the announcement and since this expansion was not announced until early fall you are trying to tell us that it will be before next winter? Not likely! Plus they always have a patch before the expansion.
Secondly, there were no big changes in this patch unless you are an equipment hound and have to have the latest and greatest. Personally I hate raiding and so do most of my friends. I don't see that set being a big deal for most of us.
While true, Blizzard DID state that they want to move up releases of expansions - no more two years between. MoP is in limited testing right now, but we'll see how long it takes to go from there to F&F.
Frankly, the most disappointing part of the patch for me was the new Darkmoon Faire. On release they tuned down the daily quest rewards from 5 per daily (25 per day) to 1 per, which means that it will take literally years just for the pets/mounts (one mount will now take approximately 5 months) OTOH they made rep so easy now - the whining from the already insane is hilarious !
why are you both waiting a year or more for more content in a game that you dont play?
A little something called get Diablo 3 and a mount for one year's sub to WoW. That's why.
Wait ... you are telling me people actually fell for that one?
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To be fair, I didn't choose to accept it lightly. I looked back at how often I sub/resub to WoW and it just makes sense to take a deal like that when I would be hopping in and out of WoW like I have been in the last 7 years. Might as well get something for it.
The minute I signed up for that I regretted it. I currently sub but it's not consistent. I'm pretty sure it's not 12 months worth or resubbing so it's a waste of money IMO. The other, 'perks', I could of down without really, so there's a lesson there kids: 'NEVER SIGN A CONTRACT WHEN YOUR DRUNK!!' :P
As for the patch itself, generally underwhelming for me. They can say all they like about having 'limited' resources but we all know most of those resources are going into purchaseable extras like mounts and pets also MOP. I mean most of the 'new' raid/dungeon content is recycled Wrath areas, (the Deathwing model in the well of eternity instance is laughable as well, when I first saw it I thought Deathwing had come back to the past before someone said it's suppose to be Netharion :P)...who do they think there kidding? The Darkmoon Faire update is welcomed but a bit late and without context. I mean why all of a sudden has an entire island sprung up for them?
Blizzard used to pride themselves on quality control it seems these days thats falling by the wayside...
why are you both waiting a year or more for more content in a game that you dont play?
A little something called get Diablo 3 and a mount for one year's sub to WoW. That's why.
Thats a WoW player intellect right there for you lol. 180$ to get a 60$ game free. Add in the 25$ mount to to be generous - so you are paying 180$ to recieve 85$ worth of merchandise free and NOT playing the game you paid the 180$ for in the first place.....
Man I am in the wrong bussiness.
You sure are. If you run your business based on assumptions like that, yikes. I never said was NOT playing the game, didn't even infer it either. I plan to hop in every now and again, especially for content patches, so it's not wasted money. It would only be wasted if they didn't patch the game between now and then as my original comment was aimed at.
Secondly, there were no big changes in this patch unless you are an equipment hound and have to have the latest and greatest.
the Ops title "4.3 changes everything" primarly pertains to this quote
However with the Dragon Aspects losing their Titan-given powers and becoming mere mortal dragons once more the story-telling landscape of World of Warcraft has been blown wide-open!
beyond lore, I agree, 4.3 changed little -- the ops title is hyped sensationalism with little substance
Wait, wait, wait. Did this article say 4.3 is the last content patch before Mists of Pandaria? So...I have to wait a year or more for more content? Seriously? Then why is there a monthly sub for this game, again? Please tell me this is just conjecture and not actual fact.
This is truly distubring if that ends up being true.
To those arguing nothing change I beg to differ. WOW for 7 straight years has really only appealed to the extreme hardcore with one raid after another and nothing for their casual base.
LFR is actually a game changer in philosphy because Blizzard when I played said doing the itemization on easier modes of raids would be too much work. Now that has changed thanks to their subs being gut'd...thank you TOR/LoL/Rift for that one.
Er no it doesn't. It changes nothing. The same old EQ cloned combat, the same old level based questing consisting of kill X of Y and fetch Z for V etc.
Just more of the same, oh but with Panda men who can do martial arts.
To Be Honest....I got tired of WoW after Cata....Now that Mists of Pandaria is coming, Blizz has definitely shown they cater to 12 & under crowd....Bye-Bye WoW, glad I'm not spending money on it anymore. It's turning into a Magic 101 clone.....
Wait, wait, wait. Did this article say 4.3 is the last content patch before Mists of Pandaria? So...I have to wait a year or more for more content? Seriously? Then why is there a monthly sub for this game, again? Please tell me this is just conjecture and not actual fact.
I bet that Blizz will pull a BC Sunwell moment again. Black Temple was supposed to be the last raid instance of BC, but with Wrath so far off and people having no more raid content to accomplish, Blizz was pretty much forced to make Sunwell to give their hardcore raiders something to work on. I imagine something like that will happen here.
Amen to that!!! Used to love WoW....now....can't stand it. Went to hell in a handbasket with Catastrophe. But, Blizz has more than gotten their money out of it....that's why they don't really care anymore. All I can say is......Catatonic was my last Blizz purchase....ever.
the game is unplayable. a treadmill. blizz has missed the FUNDEMENTAL essence of modern marketing. Variety. There is not the BEST tomato sauce. there are 7 best tomato sauces....extra chuncky, spicy, mushroom, extra garlicy, etc. But with WoW, you get the same thing from every server. There are two play styles. Raiding, which is only about memorizing a plan and pushing a button. Or pvp which is aboput collecting points in sterile little arenas. THEY DESTROYED the worlds they created.
Imagine if a PvE server had roving bosses that appeared in Outlands or Elwynn or Sithius. And that the best gear available came from these bosses.
Imagine if PvP servers had world pvp events. Capture Gadgetzhan or secure north Stranglethorn. And that the best gear available came from these events.
Imagine if RP servers had constant RP events that only through knowledge of lore, not the ablity to spam a button, gave rewards....the best gear available.
I never raid, let alone do heroic dungeons, but I Qed for heroics last night. Haven't played in months. Everythging is different, have no idea what rotation to use (which is disgusting that gameplay is broken down into a regimented set of actions repeated over and over----sounds like SCHOOL to me). I got booted because my dps was weak. I was booted because I didn't push the buttons they wanted me to push in the order they wanted me to push them. THIS is the failure of WoW.
WoW doesn't seem anywhere close to optimized enough to handle this scale of content. I still remember doing these player-events which gather so many people on a same place that the server starts lagging/crashing.
And considering their solution to excessive population was fully instancing the end game, it doesn't seem they have been working towards solving the problem above.
the only heroic quests under level 80 you will find in dungeons now
WOW was never hard, but removing more challenge reduces the fun
Strangely enough, this was, imo, the BEST thing about patch 4.3.
Maybe you haven't been in Outland or Northrend lately? There's virtually NO ONE around. Obtaining one group quest after another in these zones -- only to have to abandon them later because there were 0 to 2 other players in your zone -- is a major drag. Outland and Northrend are a whole lot less frustrating now.
I think MMO devs need to learn that, over time, lower-level zones and dungeons become, for all intents and purposes, single-player zones. Blizzard, at least, understands this. And that's OK. It's just how it is. Changing quest requirements to reflect that reality is simply common sense.
Personally, I'd like to see similar adjustments for the low-level dungeons. Even with LFG, the wait to find groups is becoming longer and longer and the odds of landing in a "fail group" when you finally find one are on the rise.
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I absolutely love this... The most successfully mmo in gaming history and ths guy is gonna tell them what they did wrong, lol. Why don't you go preach to the 20 or so mmos that have went free to play? They may just need your wisdom. I think Blizzard will somehow survive.....
I don't know what the OP was drinking, but saying this is the last patch before the expansion is ludicrous. Every previous expansion has come out well over a year after the announcement and since this expansion was not announced until early fall you are trying to tell us that it will be before next winter? Not likely! Plus they always have a patch before the expansion.
Secondly, there were no big changes in this patch unless you are an equipment hound and have to have the latest and greatest. Personally I hate raiding and so do most of my friends. I don't see that set being a big deal for most of us.
Thats a WoW player intellect right there for you lol. 180$ to get a 60$ game free. Add in the 25$ mount to to be generous - so you are paying 180$ to recieve 85$ worth of merchandise free and NOT playing the game you paid the 180$ for in the first place.....
Man I am in the wrong bussiness.
End game is raiding or heroic dungeons, how is that tons of content?
Well, be careful not to get involved in any business that requires careful attention to detail because you missed the OP's follow up reply saying that he still plays WOW when the mood suits him. So not a waste for him at all.
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Playing it a little bit right now, it honestly hasn't changed. You're still going to grind heroics for gear/item levels and then raid a whooping 8 'new' bosses in 3 different modes depending on your playstyle (easy, normal or hard, basically). LFR (the auto-queue easy mode for raids) is a nice addition for people not intrested in joining a raid guild and make it a four-nights-a-week job to play the damn game, and it is probably the only meaningfull addition to the game in this entire expansion as it opens up content to a wider audience.
PvP is just a points grind as it always was, nothing changed here.
This article title is flat out false on so many levels, the patch changes very little about the game, it simply adds more of the same, a repeating pattern since the game released. It only simplified entry to the content with the LFR feature.
I'm honestly getting a bit tired of the seemingly advertisement-like WoW related articles on this site lately. Report on WoW (and any game for that matter) with facts please, not overhyped words.
While true, Blizzard DID state that they want to move up releases of expansions - no more two years between. MoP is in limited testing right now, but we'll see how long it takes to go from there to F&F.
Frankly, the most disappointing part of the patch for me was the new Darkmoon Faire. On release they tuned down the daily quest rewards from 5 per daily (25 per day) to 1 per, which means that it will take literally years just for the pets/mounts (one mount will now take approximately 5 months) OTOH they made rep so easy now - the whining from the already insane is hilarious
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The minute I signed up for that I regretted it. I currently sub but it's not consistent. I'm pretty sure it's not 12 months worth or resubbing so it's a waste of money IMO. The other, 'perks', I could of down without really, so there's a lesson there kids: 'NEVER SIGN A CONTRACT WHEN YOUR DRUNK!!' :P
As for the patch itself, generally underwhelming for me. They can say all they like about having 'limited' resources but we all know most of those resources are going into purchaseable extras like mounts and pets also MOP. I mean most of the 'new' raid/dungeon content is recycled Wrath areas, (the Deathwing model in the well of eternity instance is laughable as well, when I first saw it I thought Deathwing had come back to the past before someone said it's suppose to be Netharion :P)...who do they think there kidding? The Darkmoon Faire update is welcomed but a bit late and without context. I mean why all of a sudden has an entire island sprung up for them?
Blizzard used to pride themselves on quality control it seems these days thats falling by the wayside...
This looks like a job for....The Riviera Kid!
You sure are. If you run your business based on assumptions like that, yikes. I never said was NOT playing the game, didn't even infer it either. I plan to hop in every now and again, especially for content patches, so it's not wasted money. It would only be wasted if they didn't patch the game between now and then as my original comment was aimed at.
the Ops title "4.3 changes everything" primarly pertains to this quote
However with the Dragon Aspects losing their Titan-given powers and becoming mere mortal dragons once more the story-telling landscape of World of Warcraft has been blown wide-open!
beyond lore, I agree, 4.3 changed little -- the ops title is hyped sensationalism with little substance
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This is truly distubring if that ends up being true.
There will be a patch 4.4 with a 'significant world event' that leads into MoP. This was stated at Blizzcon.
4.3 has got me playing more but the Ethereals prices are steep at end game. I try to avoid it but dressing up my dolls is fun. I mean toons, cough.
I do not consider world events major patches because there rarely are balance changes.
So, until 5.0, which is a month before the launch of MoP. Semantics aside utter disappointment from my view.
To those arguing nothing change I beg to differ. WOW for 7 straight years has really only appealed to the extreme hardcore with one raid after another and nothing for their casual base.
LFR is actually a game changer in philosphy because Blizzard when I played said doing the itemization on easier modes of raids would be too much work. Now that has changed thanks to their subs being gut'd...thank you TOR/LoL/Rift for that one.
World of Warcraft Column: 4.3 Changes Everything
Er no it doesn't. It changes nothing. The same old EQ cloned combat, the same old level based questing consisting of kill X of Y and fetch Z for V etc.
Just more of the same, oh but with Panda men who can do martial arts.
No thanks!
To Be Honest....I got tired of WoW after Cata....Now that Mists of Pandaria is coming, Blizz has definitely shown they cater to 12 & under crowd....Bye-Bye WoW, glad I'm not spending money on it anymore. It's turning into a Magic 101 clone.....
I bet that Blizz will pull a BC Sunwell moment again. Black Temple was supposed to be the last raid instance of BC, but with Wrath so far off and people having no more raid content to accomplish, Blizz was pretty much forced to make Sunwell to give their hardcore raiders something to work on. I imagine something like that will happen here.
^^^^^ THIS, definitely this.
honestly. wow was a good game in its day and all but, its just tired.
i am just over the dark ages fantasy and have been for a long time. i am looking forward to swtor .
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Amen to that!!! Used to love WoW....now....can't stand it. Went to hell in a handbasket with Catastrophe. But, Blizz has more than gotten their money out of it....that's why they don't really care anymore. All I can say is......Catatonic was my last Blizz purchase....ever.
WoW doesn't seem anywhere close to optimized enough to handle this scale of content. I still remember doing these player-events which gather so many people on a same place that the server starts lagging/crashing.
And considering their solution to excessive population was fully instancing the end game, it doesn't seem they have been working towards solving the problem above.
Strangely enough, this was, imo, the BEST thing about patch 4.3.
Maybe you haven't been in Outland or Northrend lately? There's virtually NO ONE around. Obtaining one group quest after another in these zones -- only to have to abandon them later because there were 0 to 2 other players in your zone -- is a major drag. Outland and Northrend are a whole lot less frustrating now.
I think MMO devs need to learn that, over time, lower-level zones and dungeons become, for all intents and purposes, single-player zones. Blizzard, at least, understands this. And that's OK. It's just how it is. Changing quest requirements to reflect that reality is simply common sense.
Personally, I'd like to see similar adjustments for the low-level dungeons. Even with LFG, the wait to find groups is becoming longer and longer and the odds of landing in a "fail group" when you finally find one are on the rise.