Hacking MMOs for credit card numbers.

Lobotomist

This is gone far enough!

There is obviously a vulnerability well known to certain hacker groups. And something most companies can do nothing about.

I mean , if they hacked Steam. After there was previous attempt. And there was a warning.

If they managed to do that. I doubt anything connected to internet is really safe.

Which in fact makes me really really worried about my money, and infact future of internet subscriptions in general….

Phry

Originally posted by Lobotomist

This is gone far enough!

There is obviously a vulnerability well known to certain hacker groups. And something most companies can do nothing about.

I mean , if they hacked Steam. After there was previous attempt. And there was a warning.

If they managed to do that. I doubt anything connected to internet is really safe.

Which in fact makes me really really worried about my money, and infact future of internet subscriptions in general….

yes steam was hacked.. but guess what.. gasp.. they encrypted the information so that those pesky hackers would have something to do for the next 180 years trying to 'guess them' ..  i hear that Ludo and tiddlywinks is fairly safe from being hacked for CC details etc..

anyway.. heres the thing, the most common form of hacking that leads to compromised accounts, is usually the bad habits of the people who use these services rather than the services themselves, who do tend to know what their doing when it comes to online security..  you know if they started billing people for poor personal security they could probably do away with the subscription model altogether

badclown

yeah .. its really bad somehow, every few months I have to read that

a game account I had somehere probably was hacked. Additionally

when you stop playing a game you CANT delete your game account.

thats why I always try to delete the credit card infos and every info about

me I can possibly find.

 

sucks hard that we need credit cards to play MMOs..

Mavacar

Credit cads unfortunately is the easiest, safest, cheapest way to combine all the worlds players into one payment method. Personally I have a separate card for purchasing online that I just transfer money to every time I need something, been working great so far

Lobotomist

Originally posted by Phry

Originally posted by Lobotomist

This is gone far enough!

There is obviously a vulnerability well known to certain hacker groups. And something most companies can do nothing about.

I mean , if they hacked Steam. After there was previous attempt. And there was a warning.

If they managed to do that. I doubt anything connected to internet is really safe.

Which in fact makes me really really worried about my money, and infact future of internet subscriptions in general….

yes steam was hacked.. but guess what.. gasp.. they encrypted the information so that those pesky hackers would have something to do for the next 180 years trying to 'guess them' ..  i hear that Ludo and tiddlywinks is fairly safe from being hacked for CC details etc..

anyway.. heres the thing, the most common form of hacking that leads to compromised accounts, is usually the bad habits of the people who use these services rather than the services themselves, who do tend to know what their doing when it comes to online security..  you know if they started billing people for poor personal security they could probably do away with the subscription model altogether

Actually , i posted this regarding Trion accounts being hacked.

As for Steam.

Some people claim they got fake charged, after steam incident.

To encrypt something you have to have encryption key. And this can be stolen aswell, quite easily.

 

 

Gardavsshade

Originally posted by Lobotomist

This is gone far enough!

There is obviously a vulnerability well known to certain hacker groups. And something most companies can do nothing about.

I mean , if they hacked Steam. After there was previous attempt. And there was a warning.

If they managed to do that. I doubt anything connected to internet is really safe.

Which in fact makes me really really worried about my money, and infact future of internet subscriptions in general….

Correct. Nothing on the internet is safe at all.

Hint for MMO Players... Game Time Cards and/or disposable / refillable Debit Cards. This is all I use.

 

Lobotomist

Originally posted by Gardavsshade

Originally posted by Lobotomist

This is gone far enough!

There is obviously a vulnerability well known to certain hacker groups. And something most companies can do nothing about.

I mean , if they hacked Steam. After there was previous attempt. And there was a warning.

If they managed to do that. I doubt anything connected to internet is really safe.

Which in fact makes me really really worried about my money, and infact future of internet subscriptions in general….

Correct. Nothing on the internet is safe at all.

Hint for MMO Players... Game Time Cards and/or disposable / refillable Debit Cards. This is all I use.

 

Yep. I used to pay that way exclusively.

Than i moved to pay pal , now i wonder if i should go back...

kattehus

Originally posted by Phry

anyway.. heres the thing, the most common form of hacking that leads to compromised accounts, is usually the bad habits of the people who use these services rather than the services themselves, who do tend to know what their doing when it comes to online security..  you know if they started billing people for poor personal security they could probably do away with the subscription model altogether

This.

The most common form of "hacking" and fraudulent CC charges are that people's habits are crap. Using the same password for every account you have is a major security risk. There are tons of ways to improve your own "security" when doing something online, such as having different passwords for every account you have, making sure you don't save your password on your computer, etc. etc.

Also, if you're so worried, a lot of places let you pay via paypal (either directly with their subscription, or with places who sell gametime). This reveals your CC information to paypal, though. A good idea has already been posted; using a different CC for online purchases.

Also, if you stop playing/whatever at a site where you've been using your CC, make sure your CC information is deleted - if this is unreasonably hard, send an email to the companies support, asking them to delete any and all CC information they have about you.

Requiamer

Originally posted by Lobotomist

This is gone far enough!

There is obviously a vulnerability well known to certain hacker groups. And something most companies can do nothing about.

I mean , if they hacked Steam. After there was previous attempt. And there was a warning.

If they managed to do that. I doubt anything connected to internet is really safe.

Which in fact makes me really really worried about my money, and infact future of internet subscriptions in general….

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_trading

 

Thank god electronic trading isn't as bad as those company make it look.

77lolmac77

I dont recall Blizzard ever being hacked for account info? Not really buying the whole "it could happen to any company" excuse, since you know WoW is the biggest target. Seems like Trion just fudged up, and now their reputation is tainted

Vrika

I think the whole system of using credit cards online is flawed. It's too unsecure, and there are better systems out there: One use only passwords, forcing to authorize every transaction through your bank's website, using your mobile phone to authorize transactions, etc.

MikeB

These situations drive me nuts. They're so commonplace now I feel like I have to cancel my credit card several times a year now. Ugh.

RavingRabbid

One of the best things to do is go get one of those green dot CC's from Walgreens or Walmart and load it with couple month's worth of sub payments. That way if they do hack the accounts it wont be so bad.

EDIT- This way they dont get access to your actual bak account information.

***Fires plungers at Hackers!***

Loke666

Originally posted by Vrika

I think the whole system of using credit cards online is flawed. It's too unsecure, and there are better systems out there: One use only passwords, forcing to authorize every transaction through your bank's website, using your mobile phone to authorize transactions, etc.

Agreed.

There is just too much scams around nowadays and things still work like in he 90s.

The banks should send you an SMS and ask you to reply before sending any money like that, it would be easy and make things a lot harder for scammers and hackers.

Puremallace

What happened is they hacked SOE and found a databse with a crap ton of credit card number, dates and security codes just there. So you take some of the best hackers in the world who are bringing down drones in iran and give them a money incentive.

 

They tried it with Trion, but Trion only keeps the last 4 on file. Steam got tested. I am telling you now do not be surprised if CCp, Bioware, and Blizzard are on the radar for possible targets.

David_Lopan

Just have single transaction game time or cards. Not some database with CC info, so dumb now-a-days with all the hacking, plus it is less work for the dev's. Marketing will be pissed though and mmo companies will make less money when the sub player forgets to cancel on time and gets charged.

MikeB

Originally posted by RavingRabbid

One of the best things to do is go get one of those green dot CC's from Walgreens or Walmart and load it with couple month's worth of sub payments. That way if they do hack the accounts it wont be so bad.

EDIT- This way they dont get access to your actual bak account information.

***Fires plungers at Hackers!***

Good idea. Seriously.

Ceridith

Originally posted by 77lolmac77

I dont recall Blizzard ever being hacked for account info? Not really buying the whole "it could happen to any company" excuse, since you know WoW is the biggest target. Seems like Trion just fudged up, and now their reputation is tainted

Blizzard hasn't been hacked recently, that we know of.

Just because they haven't announced being hacked recently, doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Hell, the pentagon and many large banks get hacked into on some level every year, and I doubt Blizzard has better security than them.

Supersoups

Originally posted by RavingRabbid

One of the best things to do is go get one of those green dot CC's from Walgreens or Walmart and load it with couple month's worth of sub payments. That way if they do hack the accounts it wont be so bad.

EDIT- This way they dont get access to your actual bak account information.

***Fires plungers at Hackers!***

Or just get a virtual card from entropay. I have been using it for years.

MattNe

It is YOUR money.

Take all the precaution with YOUR money you feel needed.

But seriously, in this situation I stand on the side of paranoia. The more security measures you take on your end the better...Pre-paid card for just online, deleting CC info from site, Time-cards..whatever, use any or all even. But dont for a minute put your trust in ANY company to fully protect YOUR money.

free2play

Visa Gift Cards.

Transfer balances to paypal

MMOExposed

When was Trion hacked?

MikeB

Originally posted by MMOExposed

When was Trion hacked?

News hit yesterday: http://www.mmorpg.com/newsroom.cfm/read/23040/Rift-Trion-Compromised.html

PukeBucket

There's tools out there to protect your finances.

If you're worried there's effective protection.

You generally have to pay for it. But you have to be vigilant as well. I think between 2008 to 2011 more and more companies are becoming aware.

An industry standard was (out of sight out of mind) thinking they can crowd information into places people would not look. Seriously, you'd be surprised at this point how many online companies do this. With anything from passwords, to log in info, to credit card numbers.

But these high profile attacks have caused many businesses, even those that felt too little to be affected, to invest properly on their end upfront. FINALLY!

I know people are mad at the hackers for doing it, but for the better part of 20 years now the quiet attacks have caused way more harm than these higher profile ones. If anything these guys have finally started to change the web's culture to be more security aware.

free2play

Originally posted by PukeBucket

There's tools out there to protect your finances.

If you're worried there's effective protection.

You generally have to pay for it. But you have to be vigilant as well. I think between 2008 to 2011 more and more companies are becoming aware.

An industry standard was (out of sight out of mind) thinking they can crowd information into places people would not look. Seriously, you'd be surprised at this point how many online companies do this. With anything from passwords, to log in info, to credit card numbers.

But these high profile attacks have caused many businesses, even those that felt too little to be affected, to invest properly on their end upfront. FINALLY!

I know people are mad at the hackers for doing it, but for the better part of 20 years now the quiet attacks have caused way more harm than these higher profile ones. If anything these guys have finally started to change the web's culture to be more security aware.

 You reminded me of the thulsa doom speech at the end of the original Conan movie. I slaughtered your parents and enslaved you for your own good, where would you be without me?

EVE players use the same mentality to justify scamming and griefing. It better prepares you for the cold harsh world of EVE if I rope you for a billion ISK.

By design you are right. I hope in the new and improved security they add in features to help catch the douche bags that make a career of stealing my shit online too though.

PukeBucket

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Originally posted by free2play

Originally posted by PukeBucket
There's tools out there to protect your finances.
If you're worried there's effective protection.
You generally have to pay for it. But you have to be vigilant as well. I think between 2008 to 2011 more and more companies are becoming aware.
An industry standard was (out of sight out of mind) thinking they can crowd information into places people would not look. Seriously, you'd be surprised at this point how many online companies do this. With anything from passwords, to log in info, to credit card numbers.
But these high profile attacks have caused many businesses, even those that felt too little to be affected, to invest properly on their end upfront. FINALLY!
I know people are mad at the hackers for doing it, but for the better part of 20 years now the quiet attacks have caused way more harm than these higher profile ones. If anything these guys have finally started to change the web's culture to be more security aware.

 You reminded me of the thulsa doom speech at the end of the original Conan movie. I slaughtered your parents and enslaved you for your own good, where would you be without me?
EVE players use the same mentality to justify scamming and griefing. It better prepares you for the cold harsh world of EVE if I rope you for a billion ISK.
By design you are right. I hope in the new and improved security they add in features to help catch the douche bags that make a career of stealing my shit online too though.

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I'm not saying go hug the sons a bitches by any means.

But, there is marked improvement in security already when companies can identify that things are missing.

I've worked with servers since 1998, and I can say honestly and up until quite recently, that wasn't always the case.