I'm really looking forward to this game, but i can wait. I would hate to see them pressured to release early and we end up with a half done buggy game.
What matters most is if the game is good and plenty of people play it.
Seeing how many people still play Guild Wars 1 we expect continued support and additions to the game years down the line. It is better to have a completed game than a buggy mess that was released too early. The time you wait for this game is nothing compared to Blizzard games. (Annoucement in 2010 means release in 2015 probably)
GW2 annoucement was 2007 and will not be released anytime before 2012.........so the time you wait for this game is axactly comparable to Blizzard games.
I can't wait for people who never played GW1 (understandably) to see what ArenaNet can do. These guys craft their world with love, and I still consider GW to be one of the best looking games out there. I'm dying to see GW2's environments and gameplay with a modern engine.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
The next book comes out in April, the previous Guild Wars was released in april, my money is either April or May.
To those saying "Oh man, oh man, I wish I was in the beta right now, I want to play it so badly" well obviously you don't want to play it that badly, because if you really had possessed the drive you claim to have, then you would have done everything you could have done to get into the beta, and you would have been successful. Again, it's not impossible, is all you need to do is get invited.
The "Vaporware Death Cult" should move on to this game. Seriously, is this game ever going to see release? Smoke and mirrors all around.
Smoke and mirrors? What a silly comment. People without a clue always want want want. Then when you get a rushed game you whine whine whine. Amazing how people can be so predictable.
The next book comes out in April, the previous Guild Wars was released in april, my money is either April or May.
To those saying "Oh man, oh man, I wish I was in the beta right now, I want to play it so badly" well obviously you don't want to play it that badly, because if you really had possessed the drive you claim to have, then you would have done everything you could have done to get into the beta, and you would have been successful. Again, it's not impossible, is all you need to do is get invited.
Considering the invites for Beta currently are not exactly open, it's hard to do "anything". There is no sign-ups, and all that has been confirmed is that the game has entered Closed Beta (or at least Closed Beta ready). The only way to get in now is if ArenaNet decides to let you in.
I want to play the hell out of GW2, I really do. But short of breaking into their main office with an Asuran bomb strapped to my chest demanding I get a key, I just have to wait.
It wouldn't hurt if game companies would stop doing press releases about their games four years in advance. They shouldn't let anyone know it's even in the woks till year two of the development cycle at the earliest.
Guns 'N Roses' "Chinese Democracy" took 10 years to make. Bon Iver's "For Emma, Forever Ago" took three months. Sometimes, no matter how long you take "perfecting" something, you'll still end up with a shitty product. Sometimes you just have to take a good idea an run with it and let your idea be ready without fussing over and tweaking it for years.
I just hope "When it's done," and "soon," don't become the norm for video game development. As someone with experience in publishing, I know that if you don't set a deadline, your product will never be "ready."
I also hope ANet are not telling their employees the game will done, "when it's ready," or it will never see the light of your computer screen.
I just hope "When it's done," and "soon," don't become the norm for video game development. As someone with experience in publishing, I know that if you don't set a deadline, your product will never be "ready."
I also hope ANet are not telling their employees the game will done, "when it's ready," or it will never see the light of your computer screen.
I'm sure ANet will know when their product is ready.
I think if they were under pressure to release the game they would have done so by now as what I have seen looks very polished. Can't wait to play it!
It wouldn't hurt if game companies would stop doing press releases about their games four years in advance. They shouldn't let anyone know it's even in the woks till year two of the development cycle at the earliest.
Well, I think Arena.net and NCsoft decided to go with the choise of doing press release for GW2 in advance because they knew that having the opinions of much more people (more than just game testers and hardcore players) is much more important for develloping a game.
We have ssen that all other mmorpgs for many years have made very few progress (some games more than others) and they could be much better and innovative ones if the companies would let players have more time to get much more feedack and actually find the best solutions for flaws and the best features for a completelly innovative game. It really is ture, they need time. They always had their own testers, they are always changing this in the game because there really are some things that can be even better, and that's something we don't see anywhere else. When other games have a class with flaws, the only and fastest way to "solve" the problem is nerfing it in statistics, instead of changing the class itself and how it works with a lot of feedbacl which takes much more time.
But don't stress! I also put my money for April/May this year, I actually have a bet on that. It depends in how the feedback from CBT (that started 18 december) and how/when they will make their marketing.
Originally posted by WhiteLantern The "Vaporware Death Cult" should move on to this game. Seriously, is this game ever going to see release? Smoke and mirrors all around.
Its not going to happen because Arena.Net has workable and playable demos, it has screenshots and movies of the game itself. They have also provide a lot of detail on many aspects of the game. So yeah any mention of this game being "vaporware" is done so by people with the attention span of 12 year old with ADD.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
It wouldn't hurt if game companies would stop doing press releases about their games four years in advance. They shouldn't let anyone know it's even in the woks till year two of the development cycle at the earliest.
Well, I think Arena.net and NCsoft decided to go with the choise of doing press release for GW2 in advance because they knew that having the opinions of much more people (more than just game testers and hardcore players) is much more important for develloping a game.
Actually, ArenaNet announced GW2 and its existence back around 2007-2008 because the original plan of the game would be for something called "Guild Wars Utopia". Instead, because they felt like an expansion was just too limiting for them, they announced both Guild Wars: Eye of the North, and Guild Wars 2. Utopia and its ideas were split off and into either game, and a major part of Eye of the North was the fact it would give a way for people to transfer their accomplishments into the true Sequel of the game.
Hence why they felt Guild Wars 2 should be announced as well, since people would of figured it out rather easily anyways. This is all from memory though of course, so I might have something wrong or missing.
I bet ArenaNet are just playing Skyrim all day long, trying to figure out a way they could introduce something even remotely close in GW2.
'Course I'm just kidding. Although I might as well not be too far off the truth. Lots of great and very original games came out this year, perfect occasion to see what other developers have done and wether it's possible to improve something in your own game. If GW2 comes out a better game at the end of all this wait, then it's a little ridiculous to complain. However, that doesn't mean that it will be a success either, only time will tell.
I d say they have a target date but will not release it until they are sure they can launch on that date.
I don't care how long they take as long as it is good. I'm buying it and not paying a sub for a few years which will make me very happy. if this game turns out polished and awesome(like I hope), I wonder if sub games will suffer dramatically?
When its done ! how i like it, but it offcause require a mature hardcore fanbase to deal with it. Something GW2 had a few years ago. With all the hype that have changed.
But if you want a good AAA mmo, don't expect to see less than 5 years development time today. And that we hit around summer 2012.
Honestly i didn't wanted to read the rest of your post Op after the first few sentences, i guess everything can be taken badely. But when you have a decade of a half of mmos that were throwed out the window because they needed to be launched before being finish for financial reasons obviously. And you have some companies says "fuck the investor directives, we'll do it our way because thats our job", then its bad? *roll eyes*
"When it's done." That's exactly what Id said about Duke Nukem Forever. They wanted to have that perfect game and wouldn't release it until then. And, well, we see how that turned out.
Honestly i didn't wanted to read the rest of your post Op after the first few sentences, i guess everything can be taken badely. But when you have a decade of a half of mmos that were throwed out the window because they needed to be launched before being finish for financial reasons obviously. And you have some companies says "fuck the investor directives, we'll do it our way because thats our job", then its bad? *roll eyes*
Well, trying to make sense of your post caused a rather painful aneurism to develop in my skull, but...
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edit because the mod edit frakked up the entire point of my post:
The article was for the idea of "when it's done", so next time actually read through the article instead of basing it all on the first paragraph, especially when the point of the article is made clear in the very beginning of the second paragraph.
"When it's done." That's exactly what Id said about Duke Nukem Forever. They wanted to have that perfect game and wouldn't release it until then. And, well, we see how that turned out.
But were they constantly showing videos of things from Duke Nukem? Its pretty clear to any rational adult that GW2 is moving forward all the time.
Wow cynical and rather impatient bunch here. Seriously it's time to step back and relax. The game is obviously making progress. While you wait you could spend some time in TOR(amazing game).. LOTRO.. Lineage 2(not for everyone but for those of us with an old school bent it's pretty much the most free game I've played).. Skyrim.. TERA(if it comes out before GW).. or whatever else floats your boat. Read a few books maybe.. it's not coming out tomorrow.. and I really doubt it'll release before fall 2012.. to be safe I'd not plan to see it until spring 2013. Things happen but it's better than seeing a game you love fail because everything came "too little too late" as we all know that mmo gamer's are quite forgiving...
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I'm really looking forward to this game, but i can wait. I would hate to see them pressured to release early and we end up with a half done buggy game.
Archlinux ftw
"When it's done" was cute at first but now, not so cute.
Just go dark again (surprise us and release it without a date)
I don't care anymore.
Copy and paste this article next month just like last months.
Boring!!
You know what's worse than hearing "When it's done" ?
Stupid articles talking about it.
GW2 annoucement was 2007 and will not be released anytime before 2012.........so the time you wait for this game is axactly comparable to Blizzard games.
I can't wait for people who never played GW1 (understandably) to see what ArenaNet can do. These guys craft their world with love, and I still consider GW to be one of the best looking games out there. I'm dying to see GW2's environments and gameplay with a modern engine.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
The next book comes out in April, the previous Guild Wars was released in april, my money is either April or May.
To those saying "Oh man, oh man, I wish I was in the beta right now, I want to play it so badly" well obviously you don't want to play it that badly, because if you really had possessed the drive you claim to have, then you would have done everything you could have done to get into the beta, and you would have been successful. Again, it's not impossible, is all you need to do is get invited.
Smoke and mirrors? What a silly comment. People without a clue always want want want. Then when you get a rushed game you whine whine whine. Amazing how people can be so predictable.
Considering the invites for Beta currently are not exactly open, it's hard to do "anything". There is no sign-ups, and all that has been confirmed is that the game has entered Closed Beta (or at least Closed Beta ready). The only way to get in now is if ArenaNet decides to let you in.
I want to play the hell out of GW2, I really do. But short of breaking into their main office with an Asuran bomb strapped to my chest demanding I get a key, I just have to wait.
It wouldn't hurt if game companies would stop doing press releases about their games four years in advance. They shouldn't let anyone know it's even in the woks till year two of the development cycle at the earliest.
Guns 'N Roses' "Chinese Democracy" took 10 years to make. Bon Iver's "For Emma, Forever Ago" took three months. Sometimes, no matter how long you take "perfecting" something, you'll still end up with a shitty product. Sometimes you just have to take a good idea an run with it and let your idea be ready without fussing over and tweaking it for years.
I just hope "When it's done," and "soon," don't become the norm for video game development. As someone with experience in publishing, I know that if you don't set a deadline, your product will never be "ready."
I also hope ANet are not telling their employees the game will done, "when it's ready," or it will never see the light of your computer screen.
I'm sure ANet will know when their product is ready.
I think if they were under pressure to release the game they would have done so by now as what I have seen looks very polished. Can't wait to play it!
Well, I think Arena.net and NCsoft decided to go with the choise of doing press release for GW2 in advance because they knew that having the opinions of much more people (more than just game testers and hardcore players) is much more important for develloping a game.
We have ssen that all other mmorpgs for many years have made very few progress (some games more than others) and they could be much better and innovative ones if the companies would let players have more time to get much more feedack and actually find the best solutions for flaws and the best features for a completelly innovative game. It really is ture, they need time. They always had their own testers, they are always changing this in the game because there really are some things that can be even better, and that's something we don't see anywhere else. When other games have a class with flaws, the only and fastest way to "solve" the problem is nerfing it in statistics, instead of changing the class itself and how it works with a lot of feedbacl which takes much more time.
But don't stress! I also put my money for April/May this year, I actually have a bet on that. It depends in how the feedback from CBT (that started 18 december) and how/when they will make their marketing.
Its not going to happen because Arena.Net has workable and playable demos, it has screenshots and movies of the game itself. They have also provide a lot of detail on many aspects of the game. So yeah any mention of this game being "vaporware" is done so by people with the attention span of 12 year old with ADD.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
Game(s) I Am Currently Playing:
GW2 (+LoL and BF3)
Anarchy Online released too soon. People pissed.
GW2 not released soon enough. People pissed.
Conclusion?
People pissed.
Actually, ArenaNet announced GW2 and its existence back around 2007-2008 because the original plan of the game would be for something called "Guild Wars Utopia". Instead, because they felt like an expansion was just too limiting for them, they announced both Guild Wars: Eye of the North, and Guild Wars 2. Utopia and its ideas were split off and into either game, and a major part of Eye of the North was the fact it would give a way for people to transfer their accomplishments into the true Sequel of the game.
Hence why they felt Guild Wars 2 should be announced as well, since people would of figured it out rather easily anyways. This is all from memory though of course, so I might have something wrong or missing.
I bet ArenaNet are just playing Skyrim all day long, trying to figure out a way they could introduce something even remotely close in GW2.
'Course I'm just kidding. Although I might as well not be too far off the truth. Lots of great and very original games came out this year, perfect occasion to see what other developers have done and wether it's possible to improve something in your own game. If GW2 comes out a better game at the end of all this wait, then it's a little ridiculous to complain. However, that doesn't mean that it will be a success either, only time will tell.
I support ArenaNet's decision. Release when ready.
I don't care how long they take as long as it is good. I'm buying it and not paying a sub for a few years which will make me very happy. if this game turns out polished and awesome(like I hope), I wonder if sub games will suffer dramatically?
Polished game on release = awesome
Buggy game with promises broken = killer blow
When its done ! how i like it, but it offcause require a mature hardcore fanbase to deal with it. Something GW2 had a few years ago. With all the hype that have changed.
But if you want a good AAA mmo, don't expect to see less than 5 years development time today. And that we hit around summer 2012.
Honestly i didn't wanted to read the rest of your post Op after the first few sentences, i guess everything can be taken badely. But when you have a decade of a half of mmos that were throwed out the window because they needed to be launched before being finish for financial reasons obviously. And you have some companies says "fuck the investor directives, we'll do it our way because thats our job", then its bad? *roll eyes*
"When it's done." That's exactly what Id said about Duke Nukem Forever. They wanted to have that perfect game and wouldn't release it until then. And, well, we see how that turned out.
Ill play DC universe while i wait, ill wait till february i dont know if i can hold more.
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Well, trying to make sense of your post caused a rather painful aneurism to develop in my skull, but...
[Mod Edit]
edit because the mod edit frakked up the entire point of my post:
The article was for the idea of "when it's done", so next time actually read through the article instead of basing it all on the first paragraph, especially when the point of the article is made clear in the very beginning of the second paragraph.
But were they constantly showing videos of things from Duke Nukem? Its pretty clear to any rational adult that GW2 is moving forward all the time.
It's going to be the greatest single player mmorpg ever!
Wow cynical and rather impatient bunch here. Seriously it's time to step back and relax. The game is obviously making progress. While you wait you could spend some time in TOR(amazing game).. LOTRO.. Lineage 2(not for everyone but for those of us with an old school bent it's pretty much the most free game I've played).. Skyrim.. TERA(if it comes out before GW).. or whatever else floats your boat. Read a few books maybe.. it's not coming out tomorrow.. and I really doubt it'll release before fall 2012.. to be safe I'd not plan to see it until spring 2013. Things happen but it's better than seeing a game you love fail because everything came "too little too late" as we all know that mmo gamer's are quite forgiving...