You can call poop on a stick a fudgesicle all you want, but what it comes down to is that pvp in the game is subpar and people are unhappy with it. You guys that say 'its all good' are probably just comfortable being bent over that far... so it doesnt hurt anymore, youve become one with the pain.
OR, they arnt fools and didnt start playing a non pvp focused game looking for good pvp.
Love watching all the people stuggle with the fact that people actually like a game they dont like, its so funny.
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You can call poop on a stick a fudgesicle all you want, but what it comes down to is that pvp in the game is subpar and people are unhappy with it. You guys that say 'its all good' are probably just comfortable being bent over that far... so it doesnt hurt anymore, youve become one with the pain.
OR, they arnt fools and didnt start playing a non pvp focused game looking for good pvp.
Love watching all the people stuggle with the fact that people actually like a game they dont like, its so funny.
A question goes to you: if you don't like the PvP servers, why are you commenting on something that only affects PvP servers?
You can't just simply pretend they don't exist. They are there and everyone in there has every right to criticize their experience.
You can call poop on a stick a fudgesicle all you want, but what it comes down to is that pvp in the game is subpar and people are unhappy with it. You guys that say 'its all good' are probably just comfortable being bent over that far... so it doesnt hurt anymore, youve become one with the pain.
OR, they arnt fools and didnt start playing a non pvp focused game looking for good pvp.
Love watching all the people stuggle with the fact that people actually like a game they dont like, its so funny.
I actually do like the game, for the most part. Ive always liked bioware games too. But I also dont have a problem seeing things for what they really are. Bioware boasted about how great the pvp is in swtor many times and the truth is its hardly even mediocre. Now I dont expect them to make everything perfect at release but I dont think im alone when I say I expect it to work. And Im sure we all know its not a pvp mmo even though theres an entire planet specifically for pvp and there are pvp queues and pvp servers and ... oh wait that sounds like a company taking pvp seriously, I guess we were just naive to think pvp would be fun in an mmo, thank you for pointing out the error of our ways.
Originally posted by InFaVilla Shortsighted changes do not automatically mean that they will be very bad in the long run, that requires a seperate analysis. If doing small fast changes is needed to overall increase their total income on both from a long-term and short-term perspective, then why not?
If you ask me why not, you have to provide said analysis. As long as there is no such analysis, you can hardly make any conclusions and implications. And 2 weeks old data hardly means much, just as sales numbers.
The time spent on OPVP improvements will cost them subs of people demanding improvements in some other aspect of the game. You won't win this race.
I actually do like the game, for the most part. Ive always liked bioware games too. But I also dont have a problem seeing things for what they really are. Bioware boasted about how great the pvp is in swtor many times and the truth is its hardly even mediocre. Now I dont expect them to make everything perfect at release but I dont think im alone when I say I expect it to work. And Im sure we all know its not a pvp mmo even though theres an entire planet specifically for pvp and there are pvp queues and pvp servers and ... oh wait that sounds like a company taking pvp seriously, I guess we were just naive to think pvp would be fun in an mmo, thank you for pointing out the error of our ways.
Links to said boasting?
The PvP does work. I can search on youtube for "SWTOR [Insert Class Here] PvP," sort it by Date Uploaded, click a vid, and watch PvP happen. Players getting ganked, being ganked, objectives being met. It works. I'm sorry it didn't live up to your expectations, but it does, infact, work. I personally enjoy it, but I also understand it wasn't their sole focus.
They added a few things that any MMO that remotely has PvP these days HAS to have for a themepark: Instanced PvP, a zone dedicated to PvP, and servers where you aren't automatically flagged. That doesn't mean they took it seriously. It just means they tacked on what is considered the bare minimum for a PvE-Centric themepark MMORPG these days. It's also a metric crapton more than what WoW was released with.
You're welcome to try and think up a PvE-Centric MMORPG with awesomely meaningful PVP content though, because I can't think of any.
Shortsighted changes do not automatically mean that they will be very bad in the long run, that requires a seperate analysis. If doing small fast changes is needed to overall increase their total income on both from a long-term and short-term perspective, then why not?
If you ask me why not, you have to provide said analysis. As long as there is no such analysis, you can hardly make any conclusions and implications. And 2 weeks old data hardly means much, just as sales numbers.
The time spent on OPVP improvements will cost them subs of people demanding improvements in some other aspect of the game. You won't win this race.
Bioware should be able to do a such analysis and then depending on their conclusion, they have no valid reason other than possibly "this is not our vision of the game" for not implementing such small changes if they deem them to be profitable.
I have reason to suspect that it indeed will be profitable based on what I think other PvP-players enjoy and dislike, which is why I bring it up. Of course, I can't be sure, that's just speculation. Which is not bad in itself since this forum is very much about opinions and speculation with very little background in actual presentable facts and accurate well-founded presentable analysis.
The budget for Open PvP improvements do not necessarily have to overlap the budget for other improvements. In may be profitable even if they take a seperate loan to fund those Open PvP changes, in which case the budget is definitely seperate and can be considered as a seperate project from the main one.
I doubt it. For such data you need longer time frame for pattern to setup so you can determine a deviation.
Until there is some data or reasons, it is no more than wishes and people should not present them as justified claims.
They should have market analysists who have statistics over what different demographics think of this and that. They should also have the tools to be able to do representative polls over different tastes.
In worst case scenario, if they somehow do not have an idea of what their players will think, they should do different short but precise polls either inside the game or through mail; that way they get a picture of what people think they would like. People are naturally more committed to choices they do themselves, which would be a good reason for the developer to try to follow the results of such polls.
I like the warzones in the game but changes like those mentioned by Dark Pony are definitely needed for decent world PvP options. Those saying..."go make your own pvp" are missing vital points that have been mentioned. You can't make your own PvP. the game does its utmost to prevent contact with the other faction except in warzones and the one endgame area. You can't hunt down other players with any great effect. Usually when you do encounter the other faction... dueling or PvP can not be engaged in the area. It won't lose me.
I really dig the game,,,hell I'm on a RP server mostly but I've noticed very little difference on the PvP server I occasionally frequent. My toons only 20th level on that server and I've never even been ganked yet....It doesnt even seem very possible to get to or find yourself in an open world area where ganking would occur. I could live if Bioware did nothing to change PvP but I always found it a fun distraction in other MMOs when done even half-right. Right now I'd say its at about 25%...and could use some development,,,at least on the PvP servers.
My main is a Bounty Hunter and one day I would love an open PvP option and a bounty system that would allow me to take advantage and enjoy PvP in a roleplaying capacity and not just as something else to do in the game.
I like the warzones in the game but changes like those mentioned by Dark Pony are definitely needed for decent world PvP options. Those saying..."go make your own pvp" are missing vital points that have been mentioned. You can't make your own PvP. the game does its utmost to prevent contact with the other faction except in warzones and the one endgame area.
Rubbish. We didnt need it 10 years ago, we don't need it now. Well.....we do actually. Because players are lazy.
Im all for it, though. I just completely and utterly disagree that it rests solely on the developers shoulders to make it come alive.
But I guess its so much easier to blame others, rather than look at yourselves. We all know thats true .
I like the warzones in the game but changes like those mentioned by Dark Pony are definitely needed for decent world PvP options. Those saying..."go make your own pvp" are missing vital points that have been mentioned. You can't make your own PvP. the game does its utmost to prevent contact with the other faction except in warzones and the one endgame area.
Rubbish. We didnt need it 10 years ago, we don't need it now. Well.....we do actually. Because players are lazy.
Im all for it, though. I just completely and utterly disagree that it rests solely on the developers shoulders to make it come alive.
But I guess its so much easier to blame others, rather than look at yourselves. We all know thats true .
I'm obviously doing it wrong...how do you make your own PvP in SWTOR? Because right now it really is like all of the Empire is in one fishtank...and all of the Republic are in another with the occasional scooping of each into a smaller fishbowl to spar for a while then back we go. I don't see it as being lazy when there is virtually no way to meet. Its not like EQ or WOW or UO where you could go somewhere and find the enemy..even if it took a while. I'm talking about staring at the enemy through shatterproof glass. You can't even duel your own faction in many areas. That's rubbish.
Now..I love the game. I do like to be able to PvP once in a while but understand this game was never touted as PvP centric mmo. I just think that eventually they should open the borders in the future to allow for a more open galaxy in which to practice "open world " pvp. I can do without the rewards. hell..Crossroads and Tarren Mill/ Southshore skirmishes never yielded anything but fun....and they happened all the time.
Lack of a complete open world PvP system is ultimately why I did not purchase this game. Why there is no galactic control or planetary control or whatever is beyond me. It's the perfect IP for some faction-based combat over some bases and outposts in an RVR lake or something similar on every non-starter planet.
At the end of the day, I just assume I am not part of their target audience.
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Who cares about world pvp anyway? If you wanted to feel good by ganking easy prey, you could take some delicious chocolate and eat it while sitting on your little brother. Feels good, right?
You probably didn't read the OP since he clearly complains that the world PvP in this game discourages same level world PvP leaving the only world PvP option open to be ganking.
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OR, they arnt fools and didnt start playing a non pvp focused game looking for good pvp.
Love watching all the people stuggle with the fact that people actually like a game they dont like, its so funny.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
A question goes to you: if you don't like the PvP servers, why are you commenting on something that only affects PvP servers?
You can't just simply pretend they don't exist. They are there and everyone in there has every right to criticize their experience.
I actually do like the game, for the most part. Ive always liked bioware games too. But I also dont have a problem seeing things for what they really are. Bioware boasted about how great the pvp is in swtor many times and the truth is its hardly even mediocre. Now I dont expect them to make everything perfect at release but I dont think im alone when I say I expect it to work. And Im sure we all know its not a pvp mmo even though theres an entire planet specifically for pvp and there are pvp queues and pvp servers and ... oh wait that sounds like a company taking pvp seriously, I guess we were just naive to think pvp would be fun in an mmo, thank you for pointing out the error of our ways.
If you ask me why not, you have to provide said analysis. As long as there is no such analysis, you can hardly make any conclusions and implications. And 2 weeks old data hardly means much, just as sales numbers.
The time spent on OPVP improvements will cost them subs of people demanding improvements in some other aspect of the game. You won't win this race.
Links to said boasting?
The PvP does work. I can search on youtube for "SWTOR [Insert Class Here] PvP," sort it by Date Uploaded, click a vid, and watch PvP happen. Players getting ganked, being ganked, objectives being met. It works. I'm sorry it didn't live up to your expectations, but it does, infact, work. I personally enjoy it, but I also understand it wasn't their sole focus.
They added a few things that any MMO that remotely has PvP these days HAS to have for a themepark: Instanced PvP, a zone dedicated to PvP, and servers where you aren't automatically flagged. That doesn't mean they took it seriously. It just means they tacked on what is considered the bare minimum for a PvE-Centric themepark MMORPG these days. It's also a metric crapton more than what WoW was released with.
You're welcome to try and think up a PvE-Centric MMORPG with awesomely meaningful PVP content though, because I can't think of any.
.. But in a good way.
Amazing isnt it? Ive seen the same thing from time to time in reference to LOTRO.
Really? This game sucks and Im not having fun? Im going to unsub right now. Thanks for the tip.
Bioware should be able to do a such analysis and then depending on their conclusion, they have no valid reason other than possibly "this is not our vision of the game" for not implementing such small changes if they deem them to be profitable.
I have reason to suspect that it indeed will be profitable based on what I think other PvP-players enjoy and dislike, which is why I bring it up. Of course, I can't be sure, that's just speculation. Which is not bad in itself since this forum is very much about opinions and speculation with very little background in actual presentable facts and accurate well-founded presentable analysis.
The budget for Open PvP improvements do not necessarily have to overlap the budget for other improvements. In may be profitable even if they take a seperate loan to fund those Open PvP changes, in which case the budget is definitely seperate and can be considered as a seperate project from the main one.
I love it when people who dont pvp justify lackadaisical pvp mechanics.
I doubt it. For such data you need longer time frame for pattern to setup so you can determine a deviation.
Until there is some data or reasons, it is no more than wishes and people should not present them as justified claims.
They should have market analysists who have statistics over what different demographics think of this and that. They should also have the tools to be able to do representative polls over different tastes.
In worst case scenario, if they somehow do not have an idea of what their players will think, they should do different short but precise polls either inside the game or through mail; that way they get a picture of what people think they would like. People are naturally more committed to choices they do themselves, which would be a good reason for the developer to try to follow the results of such polls.
If the have such analysts and data, you will have to wait how it pans out.
If they don't have such analysts and data, you will have to wait how it pans out.
So back to: Sit back and wait for BioWare to make it right.
It is more entertaining to support the major outcry in the forums regardless of whether or not it will influence their decision.
I like the warzones in the game but changes like those mentioned by Dark Pony are definitely needed for decent world PvP options. Those saying..."go make your own pvp" are missing vital points that have been mentioned. You can't make your own PvP. the game does its utmost to prevent contact with the other faction except in warzones and the one endgame area. You can't hunt down other players with any great effect. Usually when you do encounter the other faction... dueling or PvP can not be engaged in the area. It won't lose me.
I really dig the game,,,hell I'm on a RP server mostly but I've noticed very little difference on the PvP server I occasionally frequent. My toons only 20th level on that server and I've never even been ganked yet....It doesnt even seem very possible to get to or find yourself in an open world area where ganking would occur. I could live if Bioware did nothing to change PvP but I always found it a fun distraction in other MMOs when done even half-right. Right now I'd say its at about 25%...and could use some development,,,at least on the PvP servers.
My main is a Bounty Hunter and one day I would love an open PvP option and a bounty system that would allow me to take advantage and enjoy PvP in a roleplaying capacity and not just as something else to do in the game.
Rubbish. We didnt need it 10 years ago, we don't need it now. Well.....we do actually. Because players are lazy.
Im all for it, though. I just completely and utterly disagree that it rests solely on the developers shoulders to make it come alive.
But I guess its so much easier to blame others, rather than look at yourselves. We all know thats true
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I'm obviously doing it wrong...how do you make your own PvP in SWTOR? Because right now it really is like all of the Empire is in one fishtank...and all of the Republic are in another with the occasional scooping of each into a smaller fishbowl to spar for a while then back we go. I don't see it as being lazy when there is virtually no way to meet. Its not like EQ or WOW or UO where you could go somewhere and find the enemy..even if it took a while. I'm talking about staring at the enemy through shatterproof glass. You can't even duel your own faction in many areas. That's rubbish.
Now..I love the game. I do like to be able to PvP once in a while but understand this game was never touted as PvP centric mmo. I just think that eventually they should open the borders in the future to allow for a more open galaxy in which to practice "open world " pvp. I can do without the rewards. hell..Crossroads and Tarren Mill/ Southshore skirmishes never yielded anything but fun....and they happened all the time.
Lack of a complete open world PvP system is ultimately why I did not purchase this game. Why there is no galactic control or planetary control or whatever is beyond me. It's the perfect IP for some faction-based combat over some bases and outposts in an RVR lake or something similar on every non-starter planet.
At the end of the day, I just assume I am not part of their target audience.
Enter a whole new realm of challenge and adventure.
You probably didn't read the OP since he clearly complains that the world PvP in this game discourages same level world PvP leaving the only world PvP option open to be ganking.
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