But I guess that's par for the course over at EA. I mean look at Madden, it's the only football game and hasn't been updated since 2K but they keeps getting props every year...
It's called journalistic intergity. And many of the reviewers and review sites seem to lack it lately.
Like i said in earlier post i only question journalistic integrity when they highly rate a game i dislike otherwise i have no problems as long as they give high scores to games i love.
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If you ACTUALLY read the article you'll realize that Joe's actually stating that WoW won't be killed by SWTOR, despite how well BioWare's game may or may not do.
so a worth adversary for you is a copy paste game, but only with star wars skin on it? damn you guys sure are easy to get happy, you guys sure will have a long happy life
Perhaps I've missed something, but last year the two most successful MMO launches were Rift and SW:TOR. Arguably they were so successful because they took the WoW mentality and shifted some pieces around to make it better. If the market place loves and desires more bologna sandwiches you make bologna sandwiches!
At least that was why I liked Rift initially; the endgame content just wasn't there unfortunately. Well that and on my server only a single guild had their stuff together enough to get anything done raiding wise while the rest of us geared people up to desert to said guild. Plus after I leveld a toon on both factions I couldn't force myself to do it again because I was so bored with all the areas/activities. I've yet to see all the leveling content in WoW (and probably never will).
It's called journalistic intergity. And many of the reviewers and review sites seem to lack it lately.
Like i said in earlier post i only question journalistic integrity when they highly rate a game i dislike otherwise i have no problems as long as they give high scores to games i love.
I find it funny that people bash certain games or bash the fact that people are playing certain games. What is the issue with people having fun with something that is fresh? Why do people find a need to rant a rave about games that are not innovative? No new games coming out in the future are innovative. Everything has been done and will continue to be done. GW2 isnt innovative, SWTOR isnt innovative, TSW isnt innovative, even WOW isnt innovative. they all copy off other ideas from previous games and companies that have already thought of them. WOW certainily wasnt the game that thought of EVERYTHING they have going on right now. If people like a game then what is the issue? If people dont then so what. The people that are talking down on the new games are also the same people that are tired of WOW as well.
Even if an MMO lasts a year its still longer than most people play any single player game. Even if SWTOR is only interesting for a few months, that is a few months I was intertained that no other game could at this point in time. I have played WOW since vanilla. I sure as hell would like something new.
If people wont try a new MMO cause its not totally new then I feel sorry for them. These are the same people that will buy Madden every year or Modern Warfare. But those are new ideas? Why is it so unbelievable that there will never ever be a WOW killer? Its been out since 2004, get off Blizz's nutz.
It's called journalistic intergity. And many of the reviewers and review sites seem to lack it lately.
Like i said in earlier post i only question journalistic integrity when they highly rate a game i dislike otherwise i have no problems as long as they give high scores to games i love.
Is this comment satirical?
I'm genuinely curious.
If so then it is pretty funny.
If not...interesting.
*winks*
You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi
It's called journalistic intergity. And many of the reviewers and review sites seem to lack it lately.
Like i said in earlier post i only question journalistic integrity when they highly rate a game i dislike otherwise i have no problems as long as they give high scores to games i love.
SWTOR has as much chance of killing WoW as Lady Gaga has of winning Best Dressed. Sure, they're both pretty enough in their own way, but it isn't like either one of them will ever care enough about winning to really put forth the effort it takes.
SWTOR has to worry about it's IP. THey can't make it mainstream enough to kill WoW without sacrificing the established storyline. And they can't invent new lore willy-nilly like Blizzard does because the stroy is well established, and we've already seen how badly it gets rejected by fans when someone, even the original author, creates new lore that doesn't jive with established lore. Sure there are enough small points that can be expounded on for SWTOR to add things, but they already lost me with the Sith being playable ("Always two there are: one master and one apprentice"... So what do we do with the other 3 million Sith Warriors over here that will kill the story between Chapters 3 and 4?) Fortunately for BioWare, there are enough fanboys out there with self-insertion fantasies about Star Wars that they can get away with this hugely lore breaking oops, but it's still just the first step down a slippery slope in my book.
Blizzard isn't going to die to any newcomer to the arena, either. GW2 has more chance of killing WoW than SWTOR does. MoP looks like an awesome concept for an expansion, and the extra content aimed at the more casual player will certainly attract people interested in such things. Their only stumblinb block there is the subscription fee itself. Casual content is supposed to be free, and the players who would be interested in the content as new players to WoW aren't going to view the monthly fee with eager anticipation. Still, I don't think its something Blizzard can't overcome.
I hope you read this, but it's not a lore oops...
That's actually established cannon... In this time period there were a lot more jedi and sith... the sith had an entire empire and many more sith than jedi.. after they lost they told themselves it was because the darkside must be finite and that's why their numbers advantage of the jedi worked against them... thus the rule of 2 came about...
Also even in the movies there were never really just 2... just 2 with official titles
You know blizzard is screwed when some of it's players ideas are better then the current lead devs ideas. you hear many people say stuff about greg street, but when you read his dev blog's you can't help think..oh man this guy's ego is massive
He taunts and angers Wow players with his blogs. he really has a massive ego and is a narcissistic nut job.
Blizzards fans are beyond loyal, but how long before the love turns to hate?
Who are these fantasy only lovers? I've never met one of them. I know infinitely more Star Wars fans as I've met fantasy only guy.
And honestly don't you get tired of elves and dwarves after a while? I would be tired of sci fi if it was the only show on the block for so many years...shouldn't you get tired of fantasy after so many years?
Wait im confused, did SWTOR suddenly gain 5 million players? ( the actual size of the number of players in the US for WOW in 2011, 10 mil worldwide) did they post their numbers?
Who are these fantasy only lovers? I've never met one of them. I know infinitely more Star Wars fans as I've met fantasy only guy.
And honestly don't you get tired of elves and dwarves after a while? I would be tired of sci fi if it was the only show on the block for so many years...shouldn't you get tired of fantasy after so many years?
I suppoase I'm the fantasy lover. Yup, that would be me. I'm the guy.
And no, I'm not tired of fantasy so much as tired of "bad" fantasy.
I sort of look at it as "aren't you tired of humans..." and the answer would be "no".
It doesn't matter if it's elf fest or dwarf fest but what matters are great worlds and
fun game play and lore that supports whatever races are present. If anything I usually tire of sci-fi games (even though star wars isn't "sci-fi") probably because technology isn't as "sexy" to me as much as mysticism or fables or myths. The idea of an unseen world that exists for a reason despite man.
So "no".
Also my experience is mostly the opposite of yours as I've mostly met fantasy lovers. Next would be actual sci-fi and then star wars. But this is mostly in games and literature.
I don't know many people who are just average joes that don't like Star Wars movies
over fantasy movies. And probably wtih good reason as most fantasy movies (other than some obvious arguably great fantasy movies) aren't so much good as just entertaining B movie fare.
As far as SWToR goes I'm having a blast, much more than I ever had in WoW. But that's just my taste.
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The rule of 2 didn't come out until after this time period. This game takes place roughly 3000 years before the events of A New Hope. The rule of 2 didn't come about until around 2500 years before A New Hope. The only confusion is with people who don't understand how the time line works.
It isn't a rewriting of the time line, this is how its been in canon since before the prequels. There is more to the Star Wars universe than just the movies.
TOR might not kill WOW, but its certainly putting the hurt on it. Although I think the two can conexist in today's market. One is fanatsy and the other is Space Opera. One is old school theme park and the other is cutting edge next-gen story-driven theme park. Even if TOR does get to 11 million or so subs. It won't matter to the WOW fans cause there Fanatasy fans. Where as TOR fans will celebrate as Star Wars fans and Sc-Fi Space Opera fans.
But even within just the Fanatsy genre, its all relative. WOW is popular, so what. I personally think LOTRO is a better fantasy game, but thats just because I like the books. I'm a media franchise junkie, that why I like TOR as well. To me a good MMO is something I'm familar with and something I would want to live in.
Never been a Warcraft or Blizzard fan, so when I did try WOW. It didn't appeal to me.I even gave it two trys within two 14 day trials. And for the life of me, I don't see how WOW is as popular as it is and that it has lasted this long. I guess its like movies, for some reason some people like paying for crap. Well I've gotten off-topic, so I'll stop here.
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I said the same thing months ago; The Old Republic will have less then 500k subscribers 6 months adfter release. It's not a real mmorpg and only a game you play for a few months.Almost all the eggs are in the story and voice acting basket.
And now after finding out only a small percentage is spend playing that story, the rest of the time you will be doing arbitrary boring side quests and finding out the main story is a lot the same for each class in the same faction I wouldn't be surprised if it tanks like WAR or AOC.
I am a Sith Inquisitor and the other day I saw a few Wow hunters come my way , how they got here i do not know but when they pointed their puny guns at me I electrocuted them, Oh Well so much for wow
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Actually, I wonder either way.
And besides are paid to advertise correct. and wern't TOR ads all over the site? Why yes they were...
And now i see huge WOW add on background, before that it was Rift... close to AION release you could see huge adv for it...so what is your point?
You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi
But I guess that's par for the course over at EA. I mean look at Madden, it's the only football game and hasn't been updated since 2K but they keeps getting props every year...
lunch of wow= x
lunch of swtor = y
swtor lunch is way more successfull the wow lunch!
And don't forget, 200% more delicious!
It's called journalistic intergity. And many of the reviewers and review sites seem to lack it lately.
Like i said in earlier post i only question journalistic integrity when they highly rate a game i dislike otherwise i have no problems as long as they give high scores to games i love.
You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi
fixed :P
Perhaps I've missed something, but last year the two most successful MMO launches were Rift and SW:TOR. Arguably they were so successful because they took the WoW mentality and shifted some pieces around to make it better. If the market place loves and desires more bologna sandwiches you make bologna sandwiches!
At least that was why I liked Rift initially; the endgame content just wasn't there unfortunately. Well that and on my server only a single guild had their stuff together enough to get anything done raiding wise while the rest of us geared people up to desert to said guild. Plus after I leveld a toon on both factions I couldn't force myself to do it again because I was so bored with all the areas/activities. I've yet to see all the leveling content in WoW (and probably never will).
Good times.
Is this comment satirical?
I'm genuinely curious.
If so then it is pretty funny.
If not...interesting.
I find it funny that people bash certain games or bash the fact that people are playing certain games. What is the issue with people having fun with something that is fresh? Why do people find a need to rant a rave about games that are not innovative? No new games coming out in the future are innovative. Everything has been done and will continue to be done. GW2 isnt innovative, SWTOR isnt innovative, TSW isnt innovative, even WOW isnt innovative. they all copy off other ideas from previous games and companies that have already thought of them. WOW certainily wasnt the game that thought of EVERYTHING they have going on right now. If people like a game then what is the issue? If people dont then so what. The people that are talking down on the new games are also the same people that are tired of WOW as well.
Even if an MMO lasts a year its still longer than most people play any single player game. Even if SWTOR is only interesting for a few months, that is a few months I was intertained that no other game could at this point in time. I have played WOW since vanilla. I sure as hell would like something new.
If people wont try a new MMO cause its not totally new then I feel sorry for them. These are the same people that will buy Madden every year or Modern Warfare. But those are new ideas? Why is it so unbelievable that there will never ever be a WOW killer? Its been out since 2004, get off Blizz's nutz.
*winks*
You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi
Thank god!
World of Warcraft: Slain by the Sith?
Not really.
WoW is killing itself for quite a while actually, there is a game age issue as well.
Besides doubt that SWTOR will have long-term playerbase that even is half of WoW playerbase.
WoW players will leave for various games and not only to mmoprg's , not just SWTOR even if Swtor will get quite nice % of them.
I hope you read this, but it's not a lore oops...
That's actually established cannon... In this time period there were a lot more jedi and sith... the sith had an entire empire and many more sith than jedi.. after they lost they told themselves it was because the darkside must be finite and that's why their numbers advantage of the jedi worked against them... thus the rule of 2 came about...
Also even in the movies there were never really just 2... just 2 with official titles
You know blizzard is screwed when some of it's players ideas are better then the current lead devs ideas. you hear many people say stuff about greg street, but when you read his dev blog's you can't help think..oh man this guy's ego is massive
He taunts and angers Wow players with his blogs. he really has a massive ego and is a narcissistic nut job.
Blizzards fans are beyond loyal, but how long before the love turns to hate?
Who are these fantasy only lovers? I've never met one of them. I know infinitely more Star Wars fans as I've met fantasy only guy.
And honestly don't you get tired of elves and dwarves after a while? I would be tired of sci fi if it was the only show on the block for so many years...shouldn't you get tired of fantasy after so many years?
Wait im confused, did SWTOR suddenly gain 5 million players? ( the actual size of the number of players in the US for WOW in 2011, 10 mil worldwide) did they post their numbers?
I suppoase I'm the fantasy lover. Yup, that would be me. I'm the guy.
And no, I'm not tired of fantasy so much as tired of "bad" fantasy.
I sort of look at it as "aren't you tired of humans..." and the answer would be "no".
It doesn't matter if it's elf fest or dwarf fest but what matters are great worlds and
fun game play and lore that supports whatever races are present. If anything I usually tire of sci-fi games (even though star wars isn't "sci-fi") probably because technology isn't as "sexy" to me as much as mysticism or fables or myths. The idea of an unseen world that exists for a reason despite man.
So "no".
Also my experience is mostly the opposite of yours as I've mostly met fantasy lovers. Next would be actual sci-fi and then star wars. But this is mostly in games and literature.
I don't know many people who are just average joes that don't like Star Wars movies
over fantasy movies. And probably wtih good reason as most fantasy movies (other than some obvious arguably great fantasy movies) aren't so much good as just entertaining B movie fare.
As far as SWToR goes I'm having a blast, much more than I ever had in WoW. But that's just my taste.
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The rule of 2 didn't come out until after this time period. This game takes place roughly 3000 years before the events of A New Hope. The rule of 2 didn't come about until around 2500 years before A New Hope. The only confusion is with people who don't understand how the time line works.
It isn't a rewriting of the time line, this is how its been in canon since before the prequels. There is more to the Star Wars universe than just the movies.
TOR might not kill WOW, but its certainly putting the hurt on it. Although I think the two can conexist in today's market. One is fanatsy and the other is Space Opera. One is old school theme park and the other is cutting edge next-gen story-driven theme park. Even if TOR does get to 11 million or so subs. It won't matter to the WOW fans cause there Fanatasy fans. Where as TOR fans will celebrate as Star Wars fans and Sc-Fi Space Opera fans.
But even within just the Fanatsy genre, its all relative. WOW is popular, so what. I personally think LOTRO is a better fantasy game, but thats just because I like the books. I'm a media franchise junkie, that why I like TOR as well. To me a good MMO is something I'm familar with and something I would want to live in.
Never been a Warcraft or Blizzard fan, so when I did try WOW. It didn't appeal to me.I even gave it two trys within two 14 day trials. And for the life of me, I don't see how WOW is as popular as it is and that it has lasted this long. I guess its like movies, for some reason some people like paying for crap. Well I've gotten off-topic, so I'll stop here.
When we get back from where we are going, we will return to where we were. I know people there!
I said the same thing months ago; The Old Republic will have less then 500k subscribers 6 months adfter release. It's not a real mmorpg and only a game you play for a few months.Almost all the eggs are in the story and voice acting basket.
And now after finding out only a small percentage is spend playing that story, the rest of the time you will be doing arbitrary boring side quests and finding out the main story is a lot the same for each class in the same faction I wouldn't be surprised if it tanks like WAR or AOC.
I am a Sith Inquisitor and the other day I saw a few Wow hunters come my way , how they got here i do not know but when they pointed their puny guns at me I electrocuted them, Oh Well so much for wow
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One would assume that SWTOR slaying WoW would mean it's got more subs then Wow no?
And it doesn't.. and won't anytime soon.. soo...........