is it just me?

Vegalord · February 2005

...or is this game getting exponentially better? I was very skeptical at the start as SoE obviously doesn't have a good track record, but if you look at how many improvements they have implemented in the last month alone, not to mention how many are coming in upcoming patches, it's astonishing. From the more solo friendly exp, the obvious optimizations they have made ( it runs 10x smoother for me now than it did at launch), to the new armor models and dynamic group events. I don't want to get my hopes up, but maybe SoE finally has some intention of doing it right? Or, they just know that they have some real competition in WoW so they are doing smart buisness. You decide.

As a side note: Yes, I know adding a PvP server would be "doing it right", but EQ was never about PvP, really. Although, I did have some fun experiences on Tallon Zek in EQ1 ( team pvp for teh win!)

sifa · February 2005

Good V.S. Evil?? But yeah your right, It was never about pvp

. Hope you have a blast taking part in the cold war b.s. that SoE has created. I would say that SoE has a good reputation when it comes to updating their games. They dont let it stagnate like others. I think SoE has taken a lot of unnecessary fire the last couple of years cause they have made really good games that have held the interest of players for multiple years and once the players finaly get bored of the game they wont admit to themselves that they had a good time but instead the decide to blame their boredom/quiting on some all powerful patch that "ruined" the game for them. People just need to chill out and realize that mmorpgs are games just like any other and eventually you would get bored and decide to move on to something new. The most fun ive had in an mmo was in eqoa (also made my SoE) and once i get burned out on WoW I might decide to pick up eq2 depending on if they have added pvp or not. Before any 1 decides to post something along the lines of "PVP WOULD RUIN THE GAME" keep in mind that i didnt say the developers should add it to THEIR game. All im saying is if they did i would definately pick up a copy.

hercules · February 2005

Originally posted by sifa
Good V.S. Evil?? But yeah your right, It was never about pvp. Hope you have a blast taking part in the cold war b.s. that SoE has created. I would say that SoE has a good reputation when it comes to updating their games. They dont let it stagnate like others. I think SoE has taken a lot of unnecessary fire the last couple of years cause they have made really good games that have held the interest of players for multiple years and once the players finaly get bored of the game they wont admit to themselves that they had a good time but instead the decide to blame their boredom/quiting on some all powerful patch that "ruined" the game for them. People just need to chill out and realize that mmorpgs are games just like any other and eventually you would get bored and decide to move on to something new. The most fun ive had in an mmo was in eqoa (also made my SoE) and once i get burned out on WoW I might decide to pick up eq2 depending on if they have added pvp or not. Before any 1 decides to post something along the lines of "PVP WOULD RUIN THE GAME" keep in mind that i didnt say the developers should add it to THEIR game. All im saying is if they did i would definately pick up a copy.

Paragraphs are your friend.

I know each time i say this, people go into a blaze of anger but honestly it makes reading much easier .

sifa · February 2005

Originally posted by hercules

Originally posted by sifa
Good V.S. Evil?? But yeah your right, It was never about pvp. Hope you have a blast taking part in the cold war b.s. that SoE has created. I would say that SoE has a good reputation when it comes to updating their games. They dont let it stagnate like others. I think SoE has taken a lot of unnecessary fire the last couple of years cause they have made really good games that have held the interest of players for multiple years and once the players finaly get bored of the game they wont admit to themselves that they had a good time but instead the decide to blame their boredom/quiting on some all powerful patch that "ruined" the game for them. People just need to chill out and realize that mmorpgs are games just like any other and eventually you would get bored and decide to move on to something new. The most fun ive had in an mmo was in eqoa (also made my SoE) and once i get burned out on WoW I might decide to pick up eq2 depending on if they have added pvp or not. Before any 1 decides to post something along the lines of "PVP WOULD RUIN THE GAME" keep in mind that i didnt say the developers should add it to THEIR game. All im saying is if they did i would definately pick up a copy.

Paragraphs are your friend.

I know each time i say this, people go into a blaze of anger but honestly it makes reading much easier .

Are you going to add to the topic? Or just critic people?

liquid82 · February 2005

Think main problem was/is that they compare EQ2 to WoW and the old EQ.
I played EQ2 beta and have to say I wasn't stunned and the lag was just horrible, ofcourse they did improve this later on.

If I look now at the official WoW boards I'm just amazed that so many people are already bitching at Blizzard for the lack of updates, events and new items/quests.
Seems they have such a hard time balancing the servers that they don't want or don't have time to add new content.

Think in a year EQ2 is probly better then WoW and a lot of younger people get bored with WoW and either switch to EQ2 or just quit playing MMORPG's.

The timing of EQ2 was just bad and if they moved the retail till april they would've gotten more attention then they did now.

hercules · February 2005

LOL like I predicted , sifa people hate it when you tell them ways to make people read their posts easier.Not like I am saying grammer or spelling correction.Just make the post readable and there is an edit button you know.

Honestly,I can't add to your comments because its so hard to read .

But on the other hand I can comment on liquid's post since its easily readable.

So friendly advise but hey up to you.

I think EQ2 is updating the game at a good pace.If they keep it up they can hold on to customers much longer.

WoW has plans too (battlegrounds) just that they are focusing on their server stability atm as liquid has said.Hopefully once they have this sorted they can start giving out regular content too.

Both games have a lot of hype behind them hence both of them having hundreds of thousands of customers.

I am sure many will migrate both ways to try this games out when bored with one of them.

Personally,I own both(waiting on WoW euro launch this friday).

I like the EQ2 changes and it has encouraged me to keep playing.

As for WoW if the battlegrounds are as good as promised I think they will hold on to most customers for a while too .

thedrakon · February 2005

IT's true, Eq2 is getting better with each week, and we haven'T got any expansions yet, their suppose to be 2 per years, that's gonna rock.
All you said just make me happy, It's was about time some people begin to tell the truth,

Hashman · February 2005

March will be an interesting time when the first adventure pack is released. It would be interesting to find out whether future expansoins, I think they will be inevitable, would raise the level cap.

Crafting and tradeskills were obviously rushed in the last minute, I think they need to sort crafting out more, before they add more tiers to it.

Like you hercules I own both EQ2 and am wating for WoW Euro. I hope there is nowhere near as much fiasco with servers as there was with Runnyeye to Splitpaw transfers.

Hopefully the mid afternoon 1-hour downtime won't happen.

Events: haven't heard anything about these although there is something to do with lights in the forest and scrying stones.

I actually found a "light in the forest" and I had bought a scrying stone. When I used it a zombie spawned, I killed it..nothing. So not quite sure what's that about.

Anyway it seems that frogloks won't be released any time soon, but again that could be a good server wide event.

(for WoW) Apparently the final beta (Euro) event was hilarous and everyone got wiped out by juggarnauts(sp?)

Some of the quests are very very good in EQ2, but I don't like the fact that some instances require ALL party members to have completed the quest.

Take stilletos order, one of the mree sort after items, kudos to soe for changing it to a monster drop instead of a chest drop, which means that anyone (provided you can kill stilleto of course) has access to the quest.

One major improvement I'd like to see is more work done on the Freeport, it is obvious that more work has gone into Qeynos side there is a definite bias there, e.g. that sword in stormhold...

But soe have a very strong development team behind it and there seems to be patches (server-side too) every day.

One thing that will disappoint me about WoW and has already done so for those currently playing is the absence of the honour system. To me and many others that is a big oversight, it will add a LOT to WoW and who exactly you PvP.

There is already loads to do in EQ2 (Im nearly a lvl 30 troubador), vitality has added a lot to how you manage what you do (since I craft as well). There is Zek access quest to do, some very in depth heritage quests (e.g. Journey is half the fun) there are hidden places in Thundering steppes now that are new instances, watcher of the field quests to do, they are a lot of fun to do too. These are just to the obvious quests, there are plenty of hidden ones too triggered by examining world objects, like a certain book or a sword or a stone or a dropped item, Im quite amazed sometimes when people say they are bored with EQ2 when there are just soo much to do!

So yes it can only get even better! ::::02:: ::::01::

Billius8 · February 2005

If they ever get to the point of:

thinning out the duplicate new abilities per level (because many abilities are redundant and every class feels the same)
get rid of newb isle and the annoying and forced citizenship quest system
ditch the heroic opportunities
ditch the shared group experience award
tone down the rudeness of the Freeport NPC's
get rid of the extended back-and-forth NPC quest dialogue for quests which run you around town, zoning multiple times to get only 43 cp (Crikes, it's so forced and scripted, I feel like I'm in someone else's novel!)
allow combat between PC's and NPC guards of opposing cities, instead of this auto-teleport thing (it's called IMMERSION, People!)
throw in another starting city or two (FREEDOM?)
get rid of very strange cross-class skills (swashbucker's that mezz? assassins with pets?)
tone down the overdone combat graphics (level 3 warriors shouldn't have flaming swords)
give us back racial abilities (at level 1!)
change final classes so that you start them at level 1. This class-branching thing brings NOTHING to the game and is as much of a drag as it was in DAOC. By the time you finally get to your choice of final class, you may feel you have made a mistake and have wasted 19 levels of gameplay. Much easier to simply "re-roll" at level 1 if you find you don't like a class.

If they do these things, I might want to come back. But for now, gameplay is a downer and the game world is a downer. Someone "threw out the baby with the bathwater" on the design of this game.

"Former EQ veteran of 5 years. WOW player ONLY until Vanguard comes out, or EQ2 miraculously regains it sanity."

Atomicus · February 2005

heres an insteresting thing, remember in Everquest when you can move your character from account to account without fees or dues; or request a server transfer without fees or dues? Why is it that once sony took over they started charging for services that were once free? I never understood that. if some knows, please enlighten me.

ch2ome · February 2005

The thing about EQ2 is its made by the same people as EQ1 and based on EQ1, they know how to hook people for long periods of time. I don't need any crap about WoW upgrading, people buy a game and play it and don't want to admit that THEIR game isn't the best, everyone wants theres to be the best and it just depends on some stupid impression that made them start playing in the first place. Thats all WoW is, a stupid impression for the easily amused. Unfortunately, amusement doesn't come so easy for me so I'll have to stay with EQ2.

The thing about people who play MMORPG's is that they feel inadequate in some way, maybe you don't make enough money, or you are bad looking, or you are just plain lazy. Maybe your life isn't exciting enough, so you play a game for any number of reasons. Several universities have done research on the MMORPG addiction including mine (Johns Hopkins).

Overall, you should know that you will never come to a conclusion and part of the reason you are playing an MMORPG is because you want to feel better about your crappy life and you want to be a character that is important, that puts you on top. But you can't do that unless the game in which your character exists is the "top" game or "best" game. This was easily accomplished with EQ, which was always on top but, in this circumstance, many people are grasping for which game will end up on top in the end.

THis game will be EQ2 simply because WoW is too easy. Its been out for like 2 months, of course retarded MMORPG people will think its fun and want to tell me about it. The thing about EQ2 is, it will be fun for high levels as EQ was and WoW will not be. Plain and simple. Simply games are fun for a while, but MMORPG addicts like yourselves will need your EQ2 fix once WoW starts sucking. MArk my words, this will happen.

Please reply to this, one thing about MMORPG people (and we most certainly are stereotypical) is that we hate people stereotypical, so we go around trying to be correct and the smart person that is unique and has the special "good" plan for which MMORPG he is playing and why. To get a little Fight Club on you, you aren't special, your opinion doesn't mean shit, and the only reason I read these retarded things at this point is because I'm waiting on a new computer.

So go ahead and quote me. Show where I have contradicted myself or where I have said something wrong in order to defend your sad delusion that you have a valid opinion or that your opinion is your own. After all, thats all you are good for.

Atomicus · February 2005

Originally posted by ch2ome

The thing about EQ2 is its made by the same people as EQ1 and based on EQ1, they know how to hook people for long periods of time. I don't need any crap about WoW upgrading, people buy a game and play it and don't want to admit that THEIR game isn't the best, everyone wants theres to be the best and it just depends on some stupid impression that made them start playing in the first place. Thats all WoW is, a stupid impression for the easily amused. Unfortunately, amusement doesn't come so easy for me so I'll have to stay with EQ2.
The thing about people who play MMORPG's is that they feel inadequate in some way, maybe you don't make enough money, or you are bad looking, or you are just plain lazy. Maybe your life isn't exciting enough, so you play a game for any number of reasons. Several universities have done research on the MMORPG addiction including mine (Johns Hopkins).
Overall, you should know that you will never come to a conclusion and part of the reason you are playing an MMORPG is because you want to feel better about your crappy life and you want to be a character that is important, that puts you on top. But you can't do that unless the game in which your character exists is the "top" game or "best" game. This was easily accomplished with EQ, which was always on top but, in this circumstance, many people are grasping for which game will end up on top in the end.
THis game will be EQ2 simply because WoW is too easy. Its been out for like 2 months, of course retarded MMORPG people will think its fun and want to tell me about it. The thing about EQ2 is, it will be fun for high levels as EQ was and WoW will not be. Plain and simple. Simply games are fun for a while, but MMORPG addicts like yourselves will need your EQ2 fix once WoW starts sucking. MArk my words, this will happen.
Please reply to this, one thing about MMORPG people (and we most certainly are stereotypical) is that we hate people stereotypical, so we go around trying to be correct and the smart person that is unique and has the special "good" plan for which MMORPG he is playing and why. To get a little Fight Club on you, you aren't special, your opinion doesn't mean shit, and the only reason I read these retarded things at this point is because I'm waiting on a new computer.
So go ahead and quote me. Show where I have contradicted myself or where I have said something wrong in order to defend your sad delusion that you have a valid opinion or that your opinion is your own. After all, thats all you are good for.

You should read what you said because maybe you will laugh as hard as i did. I found at least 20 fallices in it. Im not sure if its an opinion or a joke. Where is your logic? I would think someone at a college level would have more sense.

Reapa · February 2005

I agree that EQ2 is misjudged, but if you really think that WoW is headed downhill, you most certainly have another thing coming to you. As even you said, its only been out for two months. Blizzard ALWAYS changes their games drastically. The reason I quit EQ2 is I felt it was lacking, and im sure about 98% of all the user will agree with me. I see your point, but you are WAY underestimating WoW.

Nihilanth · February 2005

I agree completely that EQ2 has been improving. Even since just chistmas they have added a lot of things to make the game dramatically better than it already was. I find I'm liking it more and more after each big patch.

As for WoW, anyone who says its a bad game or for kiddies, or that it has no high end content is just being ignorant. WoW is a fantastic game, one of the best out IMO. It's not for everyone but no game is. Also, even though I subscribe to EQ2 and not WoW (hoping to subscribe to both soon) there are things I like more about WoW, and vice versa. WoW actually has MORE high-end content then EQ2 in some ways because of PvP.

Razorback · February 2005

35 Ranger / 35 Weaponsmith here. I have been in since day one and I just came back from a 2week break while we were moving house.

Its not just you. I was amazed by the improvements in just 2 short weeks to all sorts of things both cosmetic and systems based. I continue to enjoy EQ2 a LOT and if the games keeps heading in the direction it is on now I will be playing for quite some time

Vegalord · February 2005

I'm actually happy that WoW is so good. This kind of competition really helps the MMO market. I will continue to play EQ2, as I like its universe far more than WoW's, but I hope that they both grow immensly off of their need to compete with each other. WoW will not die, as Blizzards games always remain highly populated ( and the ones i'm speaking of aren't even technically mmo's), and blizzard is consistant in its desire to publish a good product.

Atomicus · February 2005

Im playing WoW and enjoying it. The high end content i agree is not there yet and the PvP is still working progress but i havent seen them do a patch yet since the last one which means they are putting more time into it, hopefully. EQ2 i think is better suited for those that enjoy grouping more. WoW i noticed has more soloing, lots of it, and grouping is just as fun with a little mix of PvP makes the game exciting. Its all about preference.

Wickes · February 2005

Originally posted by Vegalord

I'm actually happy that WoW is so good. This kind of competition really helps the MMO market. I will continue to play EQ2, as I like its universe far more than WoW's, but I hope that they both grow immensly off of their need to compete with each other. WoW will not die, as Blizzards games always remain highly populated ( and the ones i'm speaking of aren't even technically mmo's), and blizzard is consistant in its desire to publish a good product.

That's a great attitude, and I don't understand why so few people see things that way. I choose to play EQ2 but regardless of whether I like other games or want to play them I like to see all these hard-working people succeed with their games because it will only benefit us all in the future. These fools around here who have some need to root for games to fail would chew their foot off if their toe itched.

drewd · February 2005

yes, it is. ::::08::

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