Vanguard is a lesson in why it's not exactly a great idea to release a forced grouping game in the modern MMO era. Vanguard has had a low population for years, but due to the nature of the content, it can be a real pain to progress through the game even if you can ignore the bugs.
wrong. VG went belly up because it was launched broken and couldent keep up with repairs. id say there was somewhere around 35% of the game missing when the game lauched. no APW no flying mounts ( things that were ON THE ORIGINAL BOX) ect ect. and the other 65% of the game was broken. death chunking, gear slips and other gfx problems. but all that aside, the game took way to much rig to run. most people that wanted to play VG were comming over from WoW. ( thats where i was coming from) and a large pop could barly run that game. had nothing to do with " forced grouping" there were so many other problems its not even funny.
Actually, it's a lesson to NEVER let Silius run with the ball as a lead developer. He is the main reason Vanguard is in it's current crappy and unpopulated state.
As much as i dont like Silius, hes not the main reason VG is in the crapper. SOE and there financial department is why VG is in the crapper... Better yet. the fuck that came through Mircosofts game department and cut Sigils vains is the reason VG is in the crapper.
Most dont know that an "efficiency expert" came through and was axeing programs left and right. Saw Sigal as a bleeder and desided to stop the hemrrhage. When funding for VG was gone Sigil turned to SOE to do the job Microsoft was goin to do.
However SOE forced Sigil to launch the game befor it was even finished and inturn bought Sigils part of the game and wedged them out. Now SOE has 100% full rights to everything VG. Oh SOE also took 50% of Sigils development team with them. Only to slowly fire each one after they started adding the things that were left out. ie APW/flying mounts and the like.
I love the game. Was the best game i ever played. i wouldent pay SOE one red cent to play it again though. If it went F2P today i would right back in Talon and thousands of others would be to.
As an active Vanguard-Player, this thread is really weird material.
Vanguard had a couple construction errors, such as too high graphic requirements (no wonder, it wasnt planned to release it so early) and a serious f***up in the department of making contracts with Microsoft about the nature of the planned game. Then suddenly M$ changed their whole game department and Vanguard just got thrown out in the process.
All in all pretty sad, but hey, life goes on. After all these issues, one still can play Vanguard just fine.
My main problem with the lack of success thanks to the early release is that Vanguard has been no success and all the good lessons one can learn from playing Vanguard are going to be lost. Such as the highly interactive and complex combat system.
EverQuest Next, for example, doesnt mention Vanguard at all.
So far however it seems like Vanguard will continue to be playable for years to come. SOE pretty much guarantees that.
Vanguard is a lesson in why it's not exactly a great idea to release a forced grouping game in the modern MMO era. Vanguard has had a low population for years, but due to the nature of the content, it can be a real pain to progress through the game even if you can ignore the bugs.
What a load of BS,Vanguards grouping system has nothing to do with the low population.
This game tanked at launch and never recovered. It's existance only remainds due to SOE purchasing it from the original owners and the cost of servers for SOE being ignoreable IE how it managed to also keep SWG open with no population. Not sure why people still even discuss this game.
Originally posted by SuperXero89 Vanguard is a lesson in why it's not exactly a great idea to release a forced grouping game in the modern MMO era. Vanguard has had a low population for years, but due to the nature of the content, it can be a real pain to progress through the game even if you can ignore the bugs.
What a load of BS,Vanguards grouping system has nothing to do with the low population. Nice try though..
The number one reason that people stop playing VG is the lack of people to group with. I would say that definitely makes grouping at least a part of the problem.
Has the population gone up at all since I made the topic? I really enjoy VG, but not with such low population that it had at the beginning of the month and through December.
Vanguard is a lesson in why it's not exactly a great idea to release a forced grouping game in the modern MMO era. Vanguard has had a low population for years, but due to the nature of the content, it can be a real pain to progress through the game even if you can ignore the bugs.
YES. Most of all this.
Oh the many debates I had with people back then, who ALL wanted back the EQ1 era hardcore, and I told them 1000 times such an experiment would fail. If the game were good, people would ignore bugs, as many succesfull MMOs in the past have proven. It was a dinosaur from day one on.
it would only fail because there is a generation of mmo players who's first mmo was wow and lets be honest wow was easy mode compared to the older mmo's.
That's sad. May not be alot of people who play, but those that do seem to really like it.
SOE should really try to F2P this game. Something/anything to get some free marketing buzz going.
Agree sir.
It is funny that as the MMO genre grows and release after release comes, you realize the turn that new titles took... away from eq/vanguard/swg/even wow..
It is becoming more and more about fast action fighting and quick and dirty dungeons... Vanguard offers the old school gameplay ( to a point ) as an open world Themepark with sandbox elements that many people want.
Problem is you can't recover from failed launches without a relaunch ( DDO ) and F2P would do that for vanguard, but i seriously doubt SOE will do it.
I really liked VG, I wasn't a big fan of when they made it easier to level....But thats me...
I left when the PvP support left (and killed the server), and game support followed...
Its too hard to bounce back from a bad launch, best thing to do would be a massive revamp, and slap a 2 on it or something imo...But no one is going to commit that money, so I don't see much hope for it.
Originally posted by quasar941 Originally posted by Sylvarii
Originally posted by SuperXero89 Vanguard is a lesson in why it's not exactly a great idea to release a forced grouping game in the modern MMO era. Vanguard has had a low population for years, but due to the nature of the content, it can be a real pain to progress through the game even if you can ignore the bugs.
What a load of BS,Vanguards grouping system has nothing to do with the low population. Nice try though..
The number one reason that people stop playing VG is the lack of people to group with. I would say that definitely makes grouping at least a part of the problem.
Looks like the logic train done passed Sylvarii by.
I played Vanguard for a couple months a while back, got to level 37 and quit because nearly all my quests were group quests and it would take me days to find a group.
Has the population gone up at all since I made the topic? I really enjoy VG, but not with such low population that it had at the beginning of the month and through December.
It has inched up some, but not to pre-Skyrim levels yet.
Has the population gone up at all since I made the topic? I really enjoy VG, but not with such low population that it had at the beginning of the month and through December.
It has inched up some, but not to pre-Skyrim levels yet.
That is a good sign that it has gone up a bit. If it gets, at least close, to pre-Skyrim and SWTOR levels...I may resub. But, not really fun to play when there was so less people. It was, when I made the thread, at the very most...at Ryzom population levels before that went free to play. Which was rather...not very populated.
Rumors of VG going to free to play are spreading, though...so if that is true, that would probably boost population.
I started up a free trial on my new computer, runs like a dream. But yeah, I probably wont return unless it goes F2P for a new player injection. The Vanguard world isnt meant to be explored alone.
I really do love the class design in this game. Its a shame it just got dumped into the StationPass bargain bin with no love from SoE.
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wrong. VG went belly up because it was launched broken and couldent keep up with repairs. id say there was somewhere around 35% of the game missing when the game lauched. no APW no flying mounts ( things that were ON THE ORIGINAL BOX) ect ect. and the other 65% of the game was broken. death chunking, gear slips and other gfx problems. but all that aside, the game took way to much rig to run. most people that wanted to play VG were comming over from WoW. ( thats where i was coming from) and a large pop could barly run that game. had nothing to do with " forced grouping" there were so many other problems its not even funny.
As much as i dont like Silius, hes not the main reason VG is in the crapper. SOE and there financial department is why VG is in the crapper... Better yet. the fuck that came through Mircosofts game department and cut Sigils vains is the reason VG is in the crapper.
Most dont know that an "efficiency expert" came through and was axeing programs left and right. Saw Sigal as a bleeder and desided to stop the hemrrhage. When funding for VG was gone Sigil turned to SOE to do the job Microsoft was goin to do.
However SOE forced Sigil to launch the game befor it was even finished and inturn bought Sigils part of the game and wedged them out. Now SOE has 100% full rights to everything VG. Oh SOE also took 50% of Sigils development team with them. Only to slowly fire each one after they started adding the things that were left out. ie APW/flying mounts and the like.
I love the game. Was the best game i ever played. i wouldent pay SOE one red cent to play it again though. If it went F2P today i would right back in Talon and thousands of others would be to.
Uh-hu.
As an active Vanguard-Player, this thread is really weird material.
Vanguard had a couple construction errors, such as too high graphic requirements (no wonder, it wasnt planned to release it so early) and a serious f***up in the department of making contracts with Microsoft about the nature of the planned game. Then suddenly M$ changed their whole game department and Vanguard just got thrown out in the process.
All in all pretty sad, but hey, life goes on. After all these issues, one still can play Vanguard just fine.
My main problem with the lack of success thanks to the early release is that Vanguard has been no success and all the good lessons one can learn from playing Vanguard are going to be lost. Such as the highly interactive and complex combat system.
EverQuest Next, for example, doesnt mention Vanguard at all.
So far however it seems like Vanguard will continue to be playable for years to come. SOE pretty much guarantees that.
what do you mean by EQNext doesent mention VG at all?
i was hopping that there would be a marrage of sorts between VG and EQ to form eqnext.
the lack of info atm is taxing but it is what it is. can only wait till game play vids are available to see.
What a load of BS,Vanguards grouping system has nothing to do with the low population.
Nice try though..
Some of us stil play it and love it
The number one reason that people stop playing VG is the lack of people to group with. I would say that definitely makes grouping at least a part of the problem.
Has the population gone up at all since I made the topic? I really enjoy VG, but not with such low population that it had at the beginning of the month and through December.
That's sad. May not be alot of people who play, but those that do seem to really like it.
SOE should really try to F2P this game. Something/anything to get some free marketing buzz going.
it would only fail because there is a generation of mmo players who's first mmo was wow and lets be honest wow was easy mode compared to the older mmo's.
Agree sir.
It is funny that as the MMO genre grows and release after release comes, you realize the turn that new titles took... away from eq/vanguard/swg/even wow..
It is becoming more and more about fast action fighting and quick and dirty dungeons... Vanguard offers the old school gameplay ( to a point ) as an open world Themepark with sandbox elements that many people want.
Problem is you can't recover from failed launches without a relaunch ( DDO ) and F2P would do that for vanguard, but i seriously doubt SOE will do it.
Sad to see, but I'm partly to blame because I left long ago and dont plan on rejoining. Yet my momory is that its a good game.
I loved how the classes and races are so completly different. The Druid was so fun in combat. Hunter, Shaman, Necro, all different and fun.
I really liked VG, I wasn't a big fan of when they made it easier to level....But thats me...
I left when the PvP support left (and killed the server), and game support followed...
Its too hard to bounce back from a bad launch, best thing to do would be a massive revamp, and slap a 2 on it or something imo...But no one is going to commit that money, so I don't see much hope for it.
Nice try though..
The number one reason that people stop playing VG is the lack of people to group with. I would say that definitely makes grouping at least a part of the problem.
Looks like the logic train done passed Sylvarii by.
I played Vanguard for a couple months a while back, got to level 37 and quit because nearly all my quests were group quests and it would take me days to find a group.
It has inched up some, but not to pre-Skyrim levels yet.
That is a good sign that it has gone up a bit. If it gets, at least close, to pre-Skyrim and SWTOR levels...I may resub. But, not really fun to play when there was so less people. It was, when I made the thread, at the very most...at Ryzom population levels before that went free to play. Which was rather...not very populated.
Rumors of VG going to free to play are spreading, though...so if that is true, that would probably boost population.
I started up a free trial on my new computer, runs like a dream. But yeah, I probably wont return unless it goes F2P for a new player injection. The Vanguard world isnt meant to be explored alone.
I really do love the class design in this game. Its a shame it just got dumped into the StationPass bargain bin with no love from SoE.