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GW2 Should never be released
Sephastus
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"You should never meet your hero." - Paul Newman
It is impossible for this game to live up to the hype it has generated. It has been romanticized to a fault, and the expectations people have put on it go way beyond what a game can pull.
You will not wake up twitching to try to get your dose of GW2. You will not sleep better because of your accomplishments in game. You will not give up your job, family, friends and physical well-being just to get in a few more hours of game time.
The prior example was just an exageration to put "hype" into perspective. The ultimate game should be able to completely suck you in to the point that you do just what I have stated before without even realizing it. Like the most intense of drugs, it should make you do things you wouldn't normally do. That is the type of stuff that WoW did to many in the gaming community... check out WoW's current hype... Then come look at GW2's hype and tell me you expect it to do better than that.
All that aside, the real reason it should not release is because of the quote I did before: You NEED to have an ultimate goal as to what you want a game to be. A holy grail of gaming to come (but that never materializes). Once GW2 releases, the disappointments accross the board are going to be increadibly large. The bugs, the exploits, the cheats, the gankings, the unfair advantages, the tweaks, the nerfs... IOW, the REALITY of MMORPG gaming will kick in. While its in development you can easily ignore all those things and make the game to be the best that will ever come out. But once it is out, its all over. No pleasant feeling of an upcoming game, no daydreaming of how the PvP will go, ...
GW2 should stay in development ad-infinum just to keep the gaming community hoping for a good game in the future, in order for them to not realize that their current gaming is about as good as things will ever get and not drop into a gaming depression. Having a "goal" keeps the MMORPG gaming community healthy as they continually try to find justifications for why their current or future or prior game was the best there ever was/is/will be.
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And in the meantime we have to settle for schlock like SWTOR? No thanks. Give me the game and let the needy find another MMO messiah to pine for.
No.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
The funny thing is that a lot of us GW2 fans don't see this game as the Messaiah of MMORPGs, that will appear once every 2 millenia, to save us and this genre as a whole. No. Most of us are here in support of this game because we heard about this crazy company making an MMORPG, with some lofty ideas; then we watched & some even experienced the gameplay only to discover that all those lofty ideas are actually in the game and working before beta.
This isn't a game that's hyped based purely on the devs word of mouth with nothing to back it up. This is hype based on the devs word of mouth with dozens or journalists and thousands of gameplay videos and impressions to back it up. So yeah, let the game release and I welcome the sh*t storm from all the naysayers like yourself OP, because I will be enjoying a good game, just like I'm enjoying playing The Witcher 2 right now.
So the game shouldn't be released because of your admittedly exaggerated view of how the fans are hyping it up. Makes perfect sense, someone call Arenanet and tell them it's time to shut down house.
I am not expecting GW2 to be perfect in all ways.
What I am excited for is a no monthly fee, dynamic event, flat leveling curve, 3 realm RvR, polished mmorpg.
So I think I will enjoy GW2.
I said it many times before : Most MMOs are victims of its own long development time.
- By When development starts - MMO features are out of this world
- By time they announce they are working on it - MMO features are revolutionary
- By time they enter last 6 month of dev - MMO features are allready present in 1-2 games just released
- By time MMO is released - everyone is sick of those features allready and wants something new
Last year GW2 seemed like amazing super revolutionary MMO. Now its allready ey-ok "but Archeage will be the bomb"
Same went with SWTOR, if they released it last year - none of this hate and failure would happen. They just waited too long.
My hope Anet will not make same mistake, and april release is well : 1 minute to last train...
QFT.
I have seen many more anti-GW2 folks claim that GW2 fans think GW2 is the messiah than I have seen GW2 fans actually claim that it is the messiah.
It's such a stupid argument. It's basically like
"Those GW2's are really grating on my nerves with all their positivity. I really want to say something negative about GW2 but I really can't think of anything good to say..."
"Wait I know! I'll just tell those fans that no matter how good GW2 is, it will never live up to their expectations!"
"Muwahahaha!!! I am a GENIUS!"
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
I actually made a thread sort of dealing with this. :T
I think part of the problem is there's some people out there who could only be excited by totally unrealistic things. Therefore, they imagine that fans of Guild Wars 2 must be wanting nothing but totally unrealistic things, and that's the only way the fans could be this excited.
Instead, it's all these really realistic, perfectly reasonable things that have me excited.
Weird how that works out.
HA! Great post, enjoyable tongue-in-cheek read.
You know... with most games there is that great concern that they won't live up to the hype... but there's a connection with them all if you'll remember: They tend to hype features and make promises about what they plan to do before they do it. ArenaNet is doing it differently. If they can't do it and get it working in the game, we'll never hear of it. Basically, I'm buying the hype simply because the hype is based on what's already there, not what's promised or planned.
Still, I had a bit of fun reading the OP. Made me giggle. Now if I can get Skyrim and Eve to keep me entertained long enough for GW2 to be released life will be good.
Oderint, dum metuant.
I know right. It's rather annoying how that is the only argument the unimmaginative naysayers really have and it's really them that have made Guild Wars 2 into the Messiah of the MMO genre, not us.
I don't think GW2 is the game to end them all. I just see it as the only themepark MMORPG that won't have contrived ways to pi$$ me off, like having some a-hole constantly ninja my loot, or being one-shotted in PvP because I haven't grinded out the required PvP gear.
It will never live up to all the Hype. They NEVER DO and this will not be any different. If this had a sub it would see the same massive dropoff every other MMO does. This game will have a huge longterm community because of the B2P model alone. I plan on being there day 1.
Exactly (to only the highlighted bit)
Honestly I just think its people throwing their support behind anything that they think sounds interesting, whether it lasts or not. The very same people claiming its the next greatest thing will be the same people complaining they are bored in a month or two.
The only difference with GW2 is that its B2P so we won't have all the "unsubbed" posts that we do now.
Part of me wants those people to be disappointed, THEY shouldn't be the ones developers make games for, THEY should find a new hobby. For the rest of us, lets just play GW2 when it releases and have a good time for however long that lasts.
I'm inclined to agree with these posts. For the most part, at least on these boards, people seem to have pretty realistic expectations. I've heard the most hardcore fans say that they intend to play the game for a few months at a time, and that they're not worried if it doesn't hold their interest for extended periods because there's no subscription fee.
exactly
I'm still not sure what is the over-hype of GW2
I'm hyped about the features that are in and which I perfectly understand how they work - and THAT is what hyped me up
I know some dumb people actually think dynamic events will never repeat itself or that the PvP will be superspecialawesome balanced because GW1 was etc... Not me though so I know I wont be let down
I think GW2 is the opposite of TOR in terms of hype:
You see SWTOR was announcced and everyone was like OMZG THIS WILL BE THE BEST MMO EVER - I HAVE NO REAL INFO ABOUT IT BUT I JUST KNOW THAT!!!AMA FAKIN PROPHET! ...Oh yes I also remember threads like SWTOR wont be anything like wow because of this and that bla bla...THAT was hyped up
While GW2 was announced for a long time before people start noticing it any significantly ...I started to look into it after I read an article about the dynamic events somewhere in Q2 2009 or so... the hype was building slowly and continuously towards to what it is now - a game generaly accepted by MMO players as a savior to modern MMOs even by people who never heard of Guild wars before
I could be let down if everything Anet showed us and told us about was a lie and mirrors and smokes (kinda like what funcom did hmm) . For example Im not expecting anything from minigames/WvWvW/guild stuff because they didnt show us a thing about these (ESPECIALLY the Minigames...Im starting to wonder why for real)
I think I actually spent way more time reading and theorycrafting about MMOs than playing them
If you were to use this site for concensus, you'd think that every game that gets made sucks earwax and that any game that doesn't was certainly going to be the MMO to end all MMO's. Search Middle Earth Online for evidence of that...
I do hope GW2 lives up to expectations. Sure, I love TOR, but why would I NOT also love a great online game with no sub fee?
We've seen tons of footage, many people played it worldwide and all of them were very happy, we look forward to the features. Not any game lives up 100% to hype, but imho gw2 will be closest to its hype than any other mmo to date.
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I think you are right OP. At least right now people have the delusion that the game will be perfect to hold onto.
I predict the same cycle of major disappointment and forum whining when GW2 releases that we see on this site with every other game that comes out.
People's expectations are just not possible to meet in many cases. I feel sorry for a lot of people on this site... it honestly seems like many of them can no longer enjoy the games they play. I count myself lucky not to be among them.
When GW2 doesn't match with your unrealistic expectations, what are you going to do?
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I don't agree, because I am not hyping it to myself or anyone else....
If I actually thought it was going to become my #1 mmo of all time and displace UO/EQ, or even DAoC on my list...I may be more hyped....But I will settle for instead of having 5 mmos that I think have been very good and I enjoyed, I have 6 as the bar for myself.
Admitedly once I saw the Manifesto video for the first time I was hooked and thought GW2 was the holy grail of MMO's. Since that time though reality has set in and I'm sure it will be a fun game to play, perhaps even revolutionary in some aspects, but I'm not expecting it to be the end-all-be-all of MMO's. However, given that there's no monthly fee, I have nothing really to lose by trying it.
Considering expectations are based upon information released about things that are already working in the game I find it hard to believe it'll fail to meet expectations. Nothing's been mentioned in any detail that hasn't already been demonstrated to be working. Anything we're still waiting to hear about they won't tell us about until they know it works the way they want.
So basically, expectations aren't unrealistic at all at this point.
Oderint, dum metuant.
I am a self proclaimed fanboy. I am waiting impatiently for GW2 to drop... I can not WAIT to get my grubby paws all over it.
AH BUT!!!
I am also an MMO gamer... and I have a damn near Pavlovian response to nothing but high praise. It makes me skeptical and nervous. The whole time I'm waiting for the "other shoe to drop". So... yeah... there ARE tons of good reveiws.. tons of gameplay videaos.. TONS of rabid fanboys hyping the game. ...but TOR had all of that. As did countless other MMO's.
I KNOW there has got to be something awful about GW2... and i WILL find it. Cause if it sounds to good to be true... it usually is.
Every player, and i mean everyone, is hoping that GW2 can bring something new to the table.
Make no mistake, the way marketing is being handled, the numerous videos and posts we see all around claiming that GW2 will lift this genre to a scale never seen before, how can someone expect this game to be another "copy-paste" from classic and tired models and not a revolution?
I can tell you in every word that i am expecting something out of a genesis kind of event. If ArenaNet fails to bring it, i will know for sure that the golden era of this genre is over and dark times will be upon us.
If you build up an irrational expectation for what you think a game will be, without looking at the reality of what a game is likely to be, then yes, you should probably not 'meet your hero'.
If, on the other hand, you skip the hype and the words that don't actually mean anything, you might be pleasantly surprised at a game meeting your expectations.
Read this blog entry from Scott Adams.
http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/the_dilbert_blog/2007/06/the_day_you_bec.html
Now, take that blog entry and instead of writing something by using those methods, read stuff by using those methods. Filter out the nonsense and you'll have a much better idea of what a game will be and you can fearlessly decide whether or not to 'meet your hero'.
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