Quick question....it looks like the first wave of 7970's are all stock cooling...is this gonna be the standard for this model or can we expect some cards with "modded cooling" and if so ..when?
Quick question....it looks like the first wave of 7970's are all stock cooling...is this gonna be the standard for this model or can we expect some cards with "modded cooling" and if so ..when?
Quick question....it looks like the first wave of 7970's are all stock cooling...is this gonna be the standard for this model or can we expect some cards with "modded cooling" and if so ..when?
There will be after market cooling just give it time. This is the usual rollout which always starts with stock fans for the first little bit.
If you've got a GTX 580, then why are you looking to upgrade in the first place? That affects what is the most reasonable thing for you to do.
A Radeon HD 6990 really only makes sense for people who think two GPUs isn't enough. It's better to have two Radeon HD 6970s in CrossFire than a single 6990. That's easier to cool, lets you clock them higher, and costs about the same.
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What is crossfire ? AMDs flavor of GPU load balancing what does it do ? lets you use multiple GPUs to increase performance if the game that support crossfire, will it run better on ati 6990? Yes if its not support crossfire, will it run better on ATI 7970? Yes Does all the game support crossfire ? No how do i know ? Check the AMD/Game Devs websites Are all the developer planning on making games that support crossfire ? All - No, Most - Probably Which card will be better for the future ? 7970 If i go for overclock, which 1 should i go ? 7970
If ati 6990 is 100, then what is ati 7970? (rating) A better comparison would be 6990=100+100 then the 7970~150
A crossfire solution is much more complex to implement and maintain than a single GPU, and quite honestly you don't sound like you've got the patience or understanding for it.
hey quick question, Why 7970? sr, i dont want to read too much in this thread since theres so many trash talk in here.
Quick question....it looks like the first wave of 7970's are all stock cooling...is this gonna be the standard for this model or can we expect some cards with "modded cooling" and if so ..when?
If you've got a GTX 580, then why are you looking to upgrade in the first place? That affects what is the most reasonable thing for you to do.
A Radeon HD 6990 really only makes sense for people who think two GPUs isn't enough. It's better to have two Radeon HD 6970s in CrossFire than a single 6990. That's easier to cool, lets you clock them higher, and costs about the same.
[Mod Edit]
What is crossfire ? AMDs flavor of GPU load balancing what does it do ? lets you use multiple GPUs to increase performance if the game that support crossfire, will it run better on ati 6990? Yes if its not support crossfire, will it run better on ATI 7970? Yes Does all the game support crossfire ? No how do i know ? Check the AMD/Game Devs websites Are all the developer planning on making games that support crossfire ? All - No, Most - Probably Which card will be better for the future ? 7970 If i go for overclock, which 1 should i go ? 7970
If ati 6990 is 100, then what is ati 7970? (rating) A better comparison would be 6990=100+100 then the 7970~150
A crossfire solution is much more complex to implement and maintain than a single GPU, and quite honestly you don't sound like you've got the patience or understanding for it.
hey quick question, Why 7970? sr, i dont want to read too much in this thread since theres so many trash talk in here.
Lastest architecture, easier to cool, easier to OC and it's single GPU. Plus if you need more performance you can drop in a second 7970 for crossfire, where the 6990 is already a 2 GPU crossfire setup so adding another card makes it a 3-4 GPU crossfire and crossfire scales very poorly past 2 GPUs.
If you've got a GTX 580, then why are you looking to upgrade in the first place? That affects what is the most reasonable thing for you to do.
A Radeon HD 6990 really only makes sense for people who think two GPUs isn't enough. It's better to have two Radeon HD 6970s in CrossFire than a single 6990. That's easier to cool, lets you clock them higher, and costs about the same.
[Mod Edit]
What is crossfire ? AMDs flavor of GPU load balancing what does it do ? lets you use multiple GPUs to increase performance if the game that support crossfire, will it run better on ati 6990? Yes if its not support crossfire, will it run better on ATI 7970? Yes Does all the game support crossfire ? No how do i know ? Check the AMD/Game Devs websites Are all the developer planning on making games that support crossfire ? All - No, Most - Probably Which card will be better for the future ? 7970 If i go for overclock, which 1 should i go ? 7970
If ati 6990 is 100, then what is ati 7970? (rating) A better comparison would be 6990=100+100 then the 7970~150
A crossfire solution is much more complex to implement and maintain than a single GPU, and quite honestly you don't sound like you've got the patience or understanding for it.
hey quick question, Why 7970? sr, i dont want to read too much in this thread since theres so many trash talk in here.
Lastest architecture, easier to cool, easier to OC and it's single GPU. Plus if you need more performance you can drop in a second 7970 for crossfire, where the 6990 is already a 2 GPU crossfire setup so adding another card makes it a 3-4 GPU crossfire and crossfire scales very poorly past 2 GPUs.
Yeah btw about this, What is the PCIE slot does the 7970 require ?
Yeah, im thinking about buy that "bad boy". But i have a
Antec 900 2 V3 Mid Tower Case
Win 7 HP
8GB ram
AMD Phenom TM II X4 925
GTX 460 1GB
I dont have water cooling, only cheap fans 2 in the fronts, 1 big on top, 1 small on back, 1 small on the side. Never get overhead with that btw. Anything i should upgrade before buying 7970? and gtx 460 with 7970, 7970 worth buying ?
And im not going for OC.
And yeah BTW guys, I'm playing Aion, I set that to max setting, i go to siege where there are ALOT OF PPL. it is lag as HELL, u cant even see the screen move,it just froze. But i never got overhead or computer automatically shut down for whatever reason. But with some games, i put it to max setting, the graphic is really SMOOTH, completely no LAG, but for some reason, i just ".... shutdown", like you are playing and the whole thing just shutdown.
Yeah btw about this, What is the PCIE slot does the 7970 require ?
Yeah, im thinking about buy that "bad boy". But i have a
Antec 900 2 V3 Mid Tower Case
Win 7 HP
8GB ram
AMD Phenom TM II X4 925
GTX 460 1GB
I dont have water cooling, only cheap fans 2 in the fronts, 1 big on top, 1 small on back, 1 small on the side. Never get overhead with that btw. Anything i should upgrade before buying 7970? and gtx 460 with 7970, 7970 worth buying ?
PCIE3 is backwards compatible so it'll work fine in a PCIE2 slot. And it's gonna be a pretty massive upgrade coming from a 460. You might want to check your power supply though, the 7970 is gonna pull a ton more juice than a 460. I'd say 600 watt PS minimum.
PCIE3 is backwards compatible so it'll work fine in a PCIE2 slot. And it's gonna be a pretty massive upgrade coming from a 460. You might want to check your power supply though, the 7970 is gonna pull a ton more juice than a 460. I'd say 600 watt PS minimum.
I am not so sure, not with a PCIE-2 slot. It surely will work but far from as good as it does on a PCIE-3 slot.
I would really change the motherboard as well in that case, even the 460 isn't perfect at a PCIE-2 slot.
And yeah, 600W is minimum. I would probably get 700 or even 750W to be on the sure side unless that 600W is a really good 600W (I rather have a good 600W PSU than a bad 700W).
PCIE3 is backwards compatible so it'll work fine in a PCIE2 slot. And it's gonna be a pretty massive upgrade coming from a 460. You might want to check your power supply though, the 7970 is gonna pull a ton more juice than a 460. I'd say 600 watt PS minimum.
I am not so sure, not with a PCIE-2 slot. It surely will work but far from as good as it does on a PCIE-3 slot.
I would really change the motherboard as well in that case, even the 460 isn't perfect at a PCIE-2 slot.
And yeah, 600W is minimum. I would probably get 700 or even 750W to be on the sure side unless that 600W is a really good 600W (I rather have a good 600W PSU than a bad 700W).
Umm, you can't even build a PCIE3 capable system right now. You can buy a MB capable of PCIE3 (Intel only) but the PCIE controller is in the CPU and all Sandybridge CPUs are PCIE2. You'll have to wait for Ivybridge for PCIE3 (or for AMD to announce their PCIE3 solution).
Plus, as previously linked, PCIE2 x16 has plenty of bandwith for a 7970 let alone the 460. PCIE3 just isn't needed for GPUs yet.
Let's cut out the crazy swearing and insults. I don't want to have to lock this thread. (I realize this doesn't apply to most of you posting in this thread).
"What is CrossFire?" Crossfire is a method that enables two video cards to act as a single video card. The method requires both a hardware bridge to be connected between the video cards and video driver support for each specific game (normally referred to as a CrossFire profile). Both SLI and Crossfire require a mother board that supports the technology. Check your motherboard, CrossFire may not be an option for you.
“Does all the game support crossfire?” No. There are NO games that feature native support for CrossFire or SLI. All games acquire CrossFire or SLI support from the video driver.
"How do I know?" I am assuming you are asking how do you know which games Nvidia or AMD have developed CrossFire or SLI profiles for. AMD adds games profiles to each release of their video drivers but there is no centralized list that I can find.
"Are all developer planning on making games that support crossfire?" As I stated above, it is not a case of the game supported CrossFire, it is a case of having a CrossFire profile for that game.
Please note that starting with the upcoming January release of AMD’s video driver, AMD will be including the ability to customize a CrossFire profile for any game, so you no longer have to wait one to six months for AMD to build one and include it in the video driver.
To address the original question posed by dg2903; The 6990 is a dual GPU video card that requires CrossFire to work properly, if your motherboard supports CrossFire. The 7970 is a single GPU card that functions correctly without CrossFire. Keeping CrossFire (or SLI) working correctly can be a pain. Overall, the 7970 is a better card that should be able to keep up with a factory default (reference) 6990.
Someone above noted that the 6990 is a dual 6970 card, which is correct, however the GPUs are down-clocked so that it barely gives a pair of 6950s in CrossFire a run for their money.
Originally posted by toiboirac123 Yeah btw about this, What is the PCIE slot does the 7970 require ? .... And yeah BTW guys, I'm playing Aion, I set that to max setting, i go to siege where there are ALOT OF PPL. it is lag as HELL, u cant even see the screen move,it just froze. But i never got overhead or computer automatically shut down for whatever reason. But with some games, i put it to max setting, the graphic is really SMOOTH, completely no LAG, but for some reason, i just ".... shutdown", like you are playing and the whole thing just shutdown. why is that ?
To answer the first question: A 7970 can utilize a PCI 3.0 slot (those are pretty new - most everyone has PCI 2.0, which has been around for the past few years), but doesn't require it. Any full size PCIe-x16 slot (most motherboards have at least one) will work fine, the slots and cards are backwards compatible: so long as it fits without having to hammer it in, it will probably work.
With regard to Aion: that game is very RAM intensive, particularly in Abyss fortress raids where there are a ton of people. It's a nature of the way the game is programmed and deals with all the players and their unique textures and models of their various equipped items. Unfortunately, there isn't much you can do about it - it's a function of that particular game - much like no computer can run EQ2 well either, even years after it's original release.
Now, when you say "shutdown" - do you mean the game just stalls a lot, or do you mean the computer actually turns off and you have to turn it back on? The former is just a symptom of a poorly coded or non-optimized game (such as Aion is). The latter is a symptom of a failing power supply and/or motherboard.
Yeah btw about this, What is the PCIE slot does the 7970 require ?
Yeah, im thinking about buy that "bad boy". But i have a
Antec 900 2 V3 Mid Tower Case
Win 7 HP
8GB ram
AMD Phenom TM II X4 925
GTX 460 1GB
I dont have water cooling, only cheap fans 2 in the fronts, 1 big on top, 1 small on back, 1 small on the side. Never get overhead with that btw. Anything i should upgrade before buying 7970? and gtx 460 with 7970, 7970 worth buying ?
And im not going for OC.
And yeah BTW guys, I'm playing Aion, I set that to max setting, i go to siege where there are ALOT OF PPL. it is lag as HELL, u cant even see the screen move,it just froze. But i never got overhead or computer automatically shut down for whatever reason. But with some games, i put it to max setting, the graphic is really SMOOTH, completely no LAG, but for some reason, i just ".... shutdown", like you are playing and the whole thing just shutdown.
why is that ?
May wanna wait till MSI,Gigabyte or Asus release one if there modded cooling versions of the card to get the most of it since your system seems pretty stock on cooling.
Also it seems the 7970 isnt yet capable of taking advantage of pcie 3.0 yet.
Yeah btw about this, What is the PCIE slot does the 7970 require ?
Yeah, im thinking about buy that "bad boy". But i have a
Antec 900 2 V3 Mid Tower Case
Win 7 HP
8GB ram
AMD Phenom TM II X4 925
GTX 460 1GB
I dont have water cooling, only cheap fans 2 in the fronts, 1 big on top, 1 small on back, 1 small on the side. Never get overhead with that btw. Anything i should upgrade before buying 7970? and gtx 460 with 7970, 7970 worth buying ?
And im not going for OC.
And yeah BTW guys, I'm playing Aion, I set that to max setting, i go to siege where there are ALOT OF PPL. it is lag as HELL, u cant even see the screen move,it just froze. But i never got overhead or computer automatically shut down for whatever reason. But with some games, i put it to max setting, the graphic is really SMOOTH, completely no LAG, but for some reason, i just ".... shutdown", like you are playing and the whole thing just shutdown.
why is that ?
May wanna wait till MSI,Gigabyte or Asus release one if there modded cooling versions of the card to get the most of it since your system seems pretty stock on cooling.
Also it seems the 7970 isnt yet capable of taking advantage of pcie 3.0 yet.
That is correct, there isn't a card out there that can fully saturate the PCIE 2.1 bus as of yet.
And to the OP, your GPU may be bottlenecked by processor speed with either of these cards. It may be worthwhile to upgrade MB and proc.
The choice here is pretty simple.. get the 7970. The GTX590 and 6990 are horrible cards, especially for the money. You would be far better off ($ to performance) with SLI 560TIs or CF6950s/70s... That being said, the 7970 is a sick card, definately worth getting now, maybe another a few years later for CF. The 7970 will cap any game out you throw at it well over 40-50fps easily on maxed out settings. Especially over-kill for a single monitor.
*Corsair Obsidian Series 650D *i5-2500K OC'd ~ 4.5 *Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 mother board * Radeon HD 7970 *8GB (4GBx2) 1600MHz Kingston HyperX *240GB Corsair Force GT Series SATA-III SSD
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Well if that's how you want to be, then figure it out yourself. If you fry your system, it's not my fault.
This looks like a PEBCAK waiting to happen.
Quick question....it looks like the first wave of 7970's are all stock cooling...is this gonna be the standard for this model or can we expect some cards with "modded cooling" and if so ..when?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150586&cm_sp=Cat_Video_Cards_%26%2338%3b_Video_Devices-_-New-_-14-150-586
There will be after market cooling just give it time. This is the usual rollout which always starts with stock fans for the first little bit.
I was gonna edit and post "considering i dont like XFX" =p but thx for the responses.
Another quick question =p, wouldnt you need PCIE3 to justify this bad boy?
Ehh nvm....http://videocardz.com/29996/pci-express-3-0-has-zero-performance-incentive-for-radeon-hd-7970-tests
Thanks bro.
Yeah btw about this, What is the PCIE slot does the 7970 require ?
Yeah, im thinking about buy that "bad boy". But i have a
Antec 900 2 V3 Mid Tower Case
Win 7 HP
8GB ram
AMD Phenom TM II X4 925
GTX 460 1GB
I dont have water cooling, only cheap fans
2 in the fronts, 1 big on top, 1 small on back, 1 small on the side. Never get overhead with that btw. Anything i should upgrade before buying 7970? and gtx 460 with 7970, 7970 worth buying ?
And im not going for OC.
And yeah BTW guys, I'm playing Aion, I set that to max setting, i go to siege where there are ALOT OF PPL. it is lag as HELL, u cant even see the screen move,it just froze. But i never got overhead or computer automatically shut down for whatever reason. But with some games, i put it to max setting, the graphic is really SMOOTH, completely no LAG, but for some reason, i just ".... shutdown", like you are playing and the whole thing just shutdown.
why is that ?
another thing the 7970 supports pcie 3.0
PCIE3 is backwards compatible so it'll work fine in a PCIE2 slot. And it's gonna be a pretty massive upgrade coming from a 460. You might want to check your power supply though, the 7970 is gonna pull a ton more juice than a 460. I'd say 600 watt PS minimum.
oh, i have a 650W, is that enough ?
I am not so sure, not with a PCIE-2 slot. It surely will work but far from as good as it does on a PCIE-3 slot.
I would really change the motherboard as well in that case, even the 460 isn't perfect at a PCIE-2 slot.
And yeah, 600W is minimum. I would probably get 700 or even 750W to be on the sure side unless that 600W is a really good 600W (I rather have a good 600W PSU than a bad 700W).
Should be fine
edit: as others have said, if it's a good quality power supply.
Depends on what 650W PSU it is, a good one will surely be enough while a bad no name is a risk.
650 W isn't a power supply any more than 1 GB is a video card. Give the exact brand name and model.
Umm, you can't even build a PCIE3 capable system right now. You can buy a MB capable of PCIE3 (Intel only) but the PCIE controller is in the CPU and all Sandybridge CPUs are PCIE2. You'll have to wait for Ivybridge for PCIE3 (or for AMD to announce their PCIE3 solution).
Plus, as previously linked, PCIE2 x16 has plenty of bandwith for a 7970 let alone the 460. PCIE3 just isn't needed for GPUs yet.
Let's cut out the crazy swearing and insults. I don't want to have to lock this thread. (I realize this doesn't apply to most of you posting in this thread).
Thanks!
Back to the topic at hand;
"What is CrossFire?" Crossfire is a method that enables two video cards to act as a single video card. The method requires both a hardware bridge to be connected between the video cards and video driver support for each specific game (normally referred to as a CrossFire profile). Both SLI and Crossfire require a mother board that supports the technology. Check your motherboard, CrossFire may not be an option for you.
“Does all the game support crossfire?” No. There are NO games that feature native support for CrossFire or SLI. All games acquire CrossFire or SLI support from the video driver.
"How do I know?" I am assuming you are asking how do you know which games Nvidia or AMD have developed CrossFire or SLI profiles for. AMD adds games profiles to each release of their video drivers but there is no centralized list that I can find.
"Are all developer planning on making games that support crossfire?" As I stated above, it is not a case of the game supported CrossFire, it is a case of having a CrossFire profile for that game.
Please note that starting with the upcoming January release of AMD’s video driver, AMD will be including the ability to customize a CrossFire profile for any game, so you no longer have to wait one to six months for AMD to build one and include it in the video driver.
To address the original question posed by dg2903; The 6990 is a dual GPU video card that requires CrossFire to work properly, if your motherboard supports CrossFire. The 7970 is a single GPU card that functions correctly without CrossFire. Keeping CrossFire (or SLI) working correctly can be a pain. Overall, the 7970 is a better card that should be able to keep up with a factory default (reference) 6990.
Someone above noted that the 6990 is a dual 6970 card, which is correct, however the GPUs are down-clocked so that it barely gives a pair of 6950s in CrossFire a run for their money.
To answer the first question: A 7970 can utilize a PCI 3.0 slot (those are pretty new - most everyone has PCI 2.0, which has been around for the past few years), but doesn't require it. Any full size PCIe-x16 slot (most motherboards have at least one) will work fine, the slots and cards are backwards compatible: so long as it fits without having to hammer it in, it will probably work.
With regard to Aion: that game is very RAM intensive, particularly in Abyss fortress raids where there are a ton of people. It's a nature of the way the game is programmed and deals with all the players and their unique textures and models of their various equipped items. Unfortunately, there isn't much you can do about it - it's a function of that particular game - much like no computer can run EQ2 well either, even years after it's original release.
Now, when you say "shutdown" - do you mean the game just stalls a lot, or do you mean the computer actually turns off and you have to turn it back on? The former is just a symptom of a poorly coded or non-optimized game (such as Aion is). The latter is a symptom of a failing power supply and/or motherboard.
May wanna wait till MSI,Gigabyte or Asus release one if there modded cooling versions of the card to get the most of it since your system seems pretty stock on cooling.
Also it seems the 7970 isnt yet capable of taking advantage of pcie 3.0 yet.
That is correct, there isn't a card out there that can fully saturate the PCIE 2.1 bus as of yet.
And to the OP, your GPU may be bottlenecked by processor speed with either of these cards. It may be worthwhile to upgrade MB and proc.
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The choice here is pretty simple.. get the 7970. The GTX590 and 6990 are horrible cards, especially for the money. You would be far better off ($ to performance) with SLI 560TIs or CF6950s/70s... That being said, the 7970 is a sick card, definately worth getting now, maybe another a few years later for CF. The 7970 will cap any game out you throw at it well over 40-50fps easily on maxed out settings. Especially over-kill for a single monitor.
*Corsair Obsidian Series 650D *i5-2500K OC'd ~ 4.5
*Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 mother board
* Radeon HD 7970
*8GB (4GBx2) 1600MHz Kingston HyperX
*240GB Corsair Force GT Series SATA-III SSD