Players are too ignorant to know how to adjust graphics if they can't run the game on high
In a heavily sharded game where it's practically impossible to run in to more than 10-15 players during normal game play (fleet being the exception and we all know what a lag fest that already is) the engine cant handle rendering that many high textures
The fact we left the three options in was obviously a bug that went under our radar until we saw hundreds of posts about it pre and post release
Made me laugh, honestly I don't really care but insulting our intelligence wasn't the way to go. The engine is poorly optimised (we were told it was our machines), that is obvious, coming straight out with that fact and saying it's being worked on would have been far less painful if it was done much earlier.
I really don't get it. The whole launch has been handled kinda shitty. They didn't give a legitimate reason to remove the high-res textures on their end, just that some people might have performance issues...well so would people if they run the game on 10 year old hardware. That's a user issue, not something that affects the game. I ran it fine during the beta, don't see what the problem was. And if they removed them, why not tell us? That's kind of a big deal to a lot of people, especially when they expect to see high-def quality graphics while playing.
Every day I'm more and more glad that I decided to wait before buying this one. Seriously, hold them accountable for their fuck ups.
Its marketing..I mean seriously, have you ever gotten a BigMac that looked as it did on TV?
That defense doesn't hold water in a visual medium.
There is a HUUUUUUUUGE difference in advertising a game that HAS high res functionality on a top tier beast-mode system so you can show off the pretty graphics and advertising a game that has NO high res funcionality in the same manner. This is called "bait and switch" and IS illegal. If someone were so inclined they could probably get their cash back for false advertisement.
No... this is not the typical "bait and switch". Bait and switch occurs when a consumer is baited to a certain product, and when they go to buy it, they're told it's not available and are pointed to another product.
And they could not get their money back for "false advertisement" by screen shots and videos as the "Final Product may differ". My god people. I love how this happens and everyone all of a sudden knows the law.
Its marketing..I mean seriously, have you ever gotten a BigMac that looked as it did on TV?
That defense doesn't hold water in a visual medium.
There is a HUUUUUUUUGE difference in advertising a game that HAS high res functionality on a top tier beast-mode system so you can show off the pretty graphics and advertising a game that has NO high res funcionality in the same manner. This is called "bait and switch" and IS illegal. If someone were so inclined they could probably get their cash back for false advertisement.
No... this is not the typical "bait and switch". Bait and switch occurs when a consumer is baited to a certain product, and when they go to buy it, they're told it's not available and are pointed to another product.
And they could not get their money back for "false advertisement" by screen shots and videos as the "Final Product may differ". My god people. I love how this happens and everyone all of a sudden knows the law.
No it actually is!
If we stick to Bioware for a moment! With ALL other Bioware games, the Media section (screenshots and videos) perfectly resembled to what players could achieve ingame when it comes to quality! ALL their previous games!
And now suddenly with SW:TOR they show graphics in screenshots that can't be achieved by players ingame and that is Perfectly fine??
I am sorry... but THAT is false advertisement! Unless they had added a disclaimer to all these screenshots! They did not!
In fact, they just continue to promote the game with FULL HighRes graphics! (patch 1.1 coverage)
Originally posted by lizardbones Since this wasn't really an issue for me, I think they handled it fine. I never thought the graphics looked all that bad. Of course, I'm not running a high end rig so high end settings would probably just tank my system.
You know. These kind of responses just piss me off to no end! So just because you do not have a High End rig and do not care about graphics, it's automatically fine how Bioware handled it? I find that highly arrogant and egocentric! Totally disregarding and disrespecting a lot of people out there that DO HAVE High End rigs (some even build a new one specially for this game) and DO CARE about HighRes graphics! That's why GOOD games have plenty of graphic settings to adjust the graphics to match what YOUR system can handle! WE WANT the CHOICE ourselves to run the game with HighRes textures and DECIDE ourselves if our system can handle it or not! Is that too much to ask? I think not! Especially since the HighRes textures are already there!
Yes.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I really don't get it. The whole launch has been handled kinda shitty. They didn't give a legitimate reason to remove the high-res textures on their end, just that some people might have performance issues...well so would people if they run the game on 10 year old hardware. That's a user issue, not something that affects the game. I ran it fine during the beta, don't see what the problem was. And if they removed them, why not tell us? That's kind of a big deal to a lot of people, especially when they expect to see high-def quality graphics while playing.
Every day I'm more and more glad that I decided to wait before buying this one. Seriously, hold them accountable for their fuck ups.
They gave a perfectly valid reason for the removal of the textures...people just didn't like it. I for one am currently playing and having a blast.
It's your choice to play or not and I think for you, you made the correct decision. Please understand that others may like the game. It's not so hard to get.
Sony/GT5 ran afoul of UK advertising rules last year when it ran an ad featuring the replay mode which it claimed was 'actual gameplay'.
Promoting SWToR as having high res when that only exists in the cutscenes isn't so dissimiliar. It's not very honest either. I can see why they're doing it, no one likes bad press, but maybe they should scale back on promotions and adverts featuring it when it's just not there.
Since this wasn't really an issue for me, I think they handled it fine. I never thought the graphics looked all that bad. Of course, I'm not running a high end rig so high end settings would probably just tank my system.
You know. These kind of responses just piss me off to no end!
So just because you do not have a High End rig and do not care about graphics, it's automatically fine how Bioware handled it?
I find that highly arrogant and egocentric! Totally disregarding and disrespecting a lot of people out there that DO HAVE High End rigs (some even build a new one specially for this game) and DO CARE about HighRes graphics!
That's why GOOD games have plenty of graphic settings to adjust the graphics to match what YOUR system can handle!
WE WANT the CHOICE ourselves to run the game with HighRes textures and DECIDE ourselves if our system can handle it or not!
Is that too much to ask? I think not! Especially since the HighRes textures are already there!
I havea moderatly high rig and could probably run the game on a much higher setting. But bashing someone else for not having the oppertunity to play witch such a setting is retarded. The game is an MMO - its supposed to appeal to the mass's. not the handfful of the mass's that have the "high rig". If they did that, it would end up like AoC. The graphics are fine imo, there will be improvements over time...I understand your argument, but if you want things to look prettier get crysis 2. I would guess that its easier for them to slowly add better settings overtime, as oppose to havingf all these wacky settings at the get go and having even more issues to work out from different bugs from different settings. "o thats what beta's for", you can only beta so much....
?? You know your post is full of irony right?
So because there are people out there that do not have High End rigs, all other people that DO have HighEnd rigs just have to suck it up and suffer lower graphics??
Are you serious? Do you even hear what you are saying here and how ridiculous that sounds?
By your post and definition all games today should still be stuck in year 90's graphics, because there are still people out there with 10 year old PC's !
EverQuest 2 should remove the HighRes textures!
LOTRO should remove the HighRes texture client download! Remove DX10 and DX11 !
Age of Conan should remove their HighRes textures and DX10!
In other words... pretty much every other MMO out there (some even over 7 years old) should remove all High Graphic settings, because there are people out there that cannot run them on these settings!
/SIGH
You just don't get it. Look at the sub numbers for EQ2... look at the sub numbers for LOTRO. Look at the Sub numbers for Age of Conan..... BTW, all of these games are free to play now.
Now, do me a favor and look at the sub numbers of WoW.... which is not free to play I might add.
You know why WoW is higher? Low poly count. They keep the game low so more people can play it. You may not like it but it's a decision you must make as a developer. You can't understand that because you're looking from your point of view and not taking theirs into account. It's not hard logic. Keep your game accessible and they will come. Yeah, you loose some high end graphic buffs... but you gain way more then you loose. It's a business decision plain and simple.
If you don't like the decision they have made.. you have every right to leave. I understand the decision and intend to keep playing. Both views are viable.
Since this wasn't really an issue for me, I think they handled it fine. I never thought the graphics looked all that bad. Of course, I'm not running a high end rig so high end settings would probably just tank my system.
You know. These kind of responses just piss me off to no end!
So just because you do not have a High End rig and do not care about graphics, it's automatically fine how Bioware handled it?
I find that highly arrogant and egocentric! Totally disregarding and disrespecting a lot of people out there that DO HAVE High End rigs (some even build a new one specially for this game) and DO CARE about HighRes graphics!
That's why GOOD games have plenty of graphic settings to adjust the graphics to match what YOUR system can handle!
WE WANT the CHOICE ourselves to run the game with HighRes textures and DECIDE ourselves if our system can handle it or not!
Is that too much to ask? I think not! Especially since the HighRes textures are already there!
I havea moderatly high rig and could probably run the game on a much higher setting. But bashing someone else for not having the oppertunity to play witch such a setting is retarded. The game is an MMO - its supposed to appeal to the mass's. not the handfful of the mass's that have the "high rig". If they did that, it would end up like AoC. The graphics are fine imo, there will be improvements over time...I understand your argument, but if you want things to look prettier get crysis 2. I would guess that its easier for them to slowly add better settings overtime, as oppose to havingf all these wacky settings at the get go and having even more issues to work out from different bugs from different settings. "o thats what beta's for", you can only beta so much....
?? You know your post is full of irony right?
So because there are people out there that do not have High End rigs, all other people that DO have HighEnd rigs just have to suck it up and suffer lower graphics??
Are you serious? Do you even hear what you are saying here and how ridiculous that sounds?
By your post and definition all games today should still be stuck in year 90's graphics, because there are still people out there with 10 year old PC's !
EverQuest 2 should remove the HighRes textures!
LOTRO should remove the HighRes texture client download! Remove DX10 and DX11 !
Age of Conan should remove their HighRes textures and DX10!
In other words... pretty much every other MMO out there (some even over 7 years old) should remove all High Graphic settings, because there are people out there that cannot run them on these settings!
/SIGH
no, my post isn't full of irony, because im suggesting that the majoirty dont have a high end PC. And i didn't say they shouldn't offer high GPhix settings, I was just saying that not having such options was likely because they were tryingt o appeal to the mass's. I know plenty of people who haven't played MMO's because they complain " my computer isn't good enough". And no, That doesn't mean you have to have EQ1 Gphix, maybe something like... o , I know, the current state of SWTOR graphics - basic for everyone. If you want to run the highest graphics game go play something else. whether they do or they dont is to be seen, but they just said that they are planning to add more graphic options for the people who have the option to utizilze that. (again, assuming that high end rigs are less than common).
Since this wasn't really an issue for me, I think they handled it fine. I never thought the graphics looked all that bad. Of course, I'm not running a high end rig so high end settings would probably just tank my system.
You know. These kind of responses just piss me off to no end!
So just because you do not have a High End rig and do not care about graphics, it's automatically fine how Bioware handled it?
I find that highly arrogant and egocentric! Totally disregarding and disrespecting a lot of people out there that DO HAVE High End rigs (some even build a new one specially for this game) and DO CARE about HighRes graphics!
That's why GOOD games have plenty of graphic settings to adjust the graphics to match what YOUR system can handle!
WE WANT the CHOICE ourselves to run the game with HighRes textures and DECIDE ourselves if our system can handle it or not!
Is that too much to ask? I think not! Especially since the HighRes textures are already there!
I havea moderatly high rig and could probably run the game on a much higher setting. But bashing someone else for not having the oppertunity to play witch such a setting is retarded. The game is an MMO - its supposed to appeal to the mass's. not the handfful of the mass's that have the "high rig". If they did that, it would end up like AoC. The graphics are fine imo, there will be improvements over time...I understand your argument, but if you want things to look prettier get crysis 2. I would guess that its easier for them to slowly add better settings overtime, as oppose to havingf all these wacky settings at the get go and having even more issues to work out from different bugs from different settings. "o thats what beta's for", you can only beta so much....
?? You know your post is full of irony right?
So because there are people out there that do not have High End rigs, all other people that DO have HighEnd rigs just have to suck it up and suffer lower graphics??
Are you serious? Do you even hear what you are saying here and how ridiculous that sounds?
By your post and definition all games today should still be stuck in year 90's graphics, because there are still people out there with 10 year old PC's !
EverQuest 2 should remove the HighRes textures!
LOTRO should remove the HighRes texture client download! Remove DX10 and DX11 !
Age of Conan should remove their HighRes textures and DX10!
In other words... pretty much every other MMO out there (some even over 7 years old) should remove all High Graphic settings, because there are people out there that cannot run them on these settings!
/SIGH
You just don't get it. Look at the sub numbers for EQ2... look at the sub numbers for LOTRO. Look at the Sub numbers for Age of Conan..... BTW, all of these games are free to play now.
Now, do me a favor and look at the sub numbers of WoW.... which is not free to play I might add.
You know why WoW is higher? Low poly count. They keep the game low so more people can play it. You may not like it but it's a decision you must make as a developer. You can't understand that because you're looking from your point of view and not taking theirs into account.
If you don't like the decision they have made.. you have every right to leave. I understand the decision and intend to keep playing. Both views are viable.
LOTRO was a huge success for several years! Turbine started slacking on regular updates (focus on DDO free2play conversion) that costs them sub numbers! And now after the Hybrid Free2Play it's still a huge success! Sorry to burst your bubble!
EverQuest 2 is doing just fine and has plenty of loyal subscribers.
The reasons why these games went Free2Play wasn't because of them having High Graphic Settings! That's just retarded!
As all the games I listed you are able to downscale their graphics to the point you can still run them on a 10 year old rig! Yes, even Age of Conan!
I really don't get it. The whole launch has been handled kinda shitty. They didn't give a legitimate reason to remove the high-res textures on their end, just that some people might have performance issues...well so would people if they run the game on 10 year old hardware. That's a user issue, not something that affects the game. I ran it fine during the beta, don't see what the problem was. And if they removed them, why not tell us? That's kind of a big deal to a lot of people, especially when they expect to see high-def quality graphics while playing.
Every day I'm more and more glad that I decided to wait before buying this one. Seriously, hold them accountable for their fuck ups.
They gave a perfectly valid reason for the removal of the textures...people just didn't like it. I for one am currently playing and having a blast.
It's your choice to play or not and I think for you, you made the correct decision. Please understand that others may like the game. It's not so hard to get.
I guess it comes down to if you believe "medium graphics" are a bug, many (majority?) of players don't buy it hence the title of this thread.
You just don't get it. Look at the sub numbers for EQ2... look at the sub numbers for LOTRO. Look at the Sub numbers for Age of Conan..... BTW, all of these games are free to play now.
Now, do me a favor and look at the sub numbers of WoW.... which is not free to play I might add.
You know why WoW is higher? Low poly count. They keep the game low so more people can play it. You may not like it but it's a decision you must make as a developer. You can't understand that because you're looking from your point of view and not taking theirs into account.
If you don't like the decision they have made.. you have every right to leave. I understand the decision and intend to keep playing. Both views are viable.
WoW's high subcriptions are not because of its low polycount. By that same logic Everquest 1 would have more subs than anything else out there. All of those other games have serious flaws and it has nothing to do with their visuals.
Don't get me wrong, I am a huge believe that gameplay is far more important than graphics. They don't make or break a game usually, but between misleading people and then basically telling them thay can't figure out their own graphical settings is silly.
Since this wasn't really an issue for me, I think they handled it fine. I never thought the graphics looked all that bad. Of course, I'm not running a high end rig so high end settings would probably just tank my system.
You know. These kind of responses just piss me off to no end!
So just because you do not have a High End rig and do not care about graphics, it's automatically fine how Bioware handled it?
I find that highly arrogant and egocentric! Totally disregarding and disrespecting a lot of people out there that DO HAVE High End rigs (some even build a new one specially for this game) and DO CARE about HighRes graphics!
That's why GOOD games have plenty of graphic settings to adjust the graphics to match what YOUR system can handle!
WE WANT the CHOICE ourselves to run the game with HighRes textures and DECIDE ourselves if our system can handle it or not!
Is that too much to ask? I think not! Especially since the HighRes textures are already there!
I havea moderatly high rig and could probably run the game on a much higher setting. But bashing someone else for not having the oppertunity to play witch such a setting is retarded. The game is an MMO - its supposed to appeal to the mass's. not the handfful of the mass's that have the "high rig". If they did that, it would end up like AoC. The graphics are fine imo, there will be improvements over time...I understand your argument, but if you want things to look prettier get crysis 2. I would guess that its easier for them to slowly add better settings overtime, as oppose to havingf all these wacky settings at the get go and having even more issues to work out from different bugs from different settings. "o thats what beta's for", you can only beta so much....
?? You know your post is full of irony right?
So because there are people out there that do not have High End rigs, all other people that DO have HighEnd rigs just have to suck it up and suffer lower graphics??
Are you serious? Do you even hear what you are saying here and how ridiculous that sounds?
By your post and definition all games today should still be stuck in year 90's graphics, because there are still people out there with 10 year old PC's !
EverQuest 2 should remove the HighRes textures!
LOTRO should remove the HighRes texture client download! Remove DX10 and DX11 !
Age of Conan should remove their HighRes textures and DX10!
In other words... pretty much every other MMO out there (some even over 7 years old) should remove all High Graphic settings, because there are people out there that cannot run them on these settings!
/SIGH
You just don't get it. Look at the sub numbers for EQ2... look at the sub numbers for LOTRO. Look at the Sub numbers for Age of Conan..... BTW, all of these games are free to play now.
Now, do me a favor and look at the sub numbers of WoW.... which is not free to play I might add.
You know why WoW is higher? Low poly count. They keep the game low so more people can play it. You may not like it but it's a decision you must make as a developer. You can't understand that because you're looking from your point of view and not taking theirs into account.
If you don't like the decision they have made.. you have every right to leave. I understand the decision and intend to keep playing. Both views are viable.
LOTRO was a huge success for several years! Turbine started slacking on regular updates (focus on DDO free2play conversion) that costs them sub numbers! And now after the Hybrid Free2Play it's still a huge success! Sorry to burst your bubble!
EverQuest 2 is doing just fine and has plenty of loyal subscribers.
The reasons why these games went Free2Play wasn't because of them having High Graphic Settings! That's just retarded!
As all the games I listed you are able to downscale their graphics to the point you can still run them on a 10 year old rig!
No... and you fail to mention my entire argument. The reason why WoW is so popular and the other games have not.. and will not touch it is due to the lower end visuals/low system requirements. It the reason why you see incremental updates and not engines rehauls from WoW. They know that the more people that can access your game, the more subs you'll have. The more subs, the more money.
I don't care about the sucess of LOTRO, EQ2, or AOC. I know that they are not, and never will be as popular as WoW, which is what most developers want... due to the higher settings available. If Bioware choices to go more the WoW route and make their game accessible to the larger audience over pleasing the graphic buffs... then so be it.
You just don't get it. Look at the sub numbers for EQ2... look at the sub numbers for LOTRO. Look at the Sub numbers for Age of Conan..... BTW, all of these games are free to play now.
Now, do me a favor and look at the sub numbers of WoW.... which is not free to play I might add.
You know why WoW is higher? Low poly count. They keep the game low so more people can play it. You may not like it but it's a decision you must make as a developer. You can't understand that because you're looking from your point of view and not taking theirs into account.
If you don't like the decision they have made.. you have every right to leave. I understand the decision and intend to keep playing. Both views are viable.
WoW's high subcriptions are not because of its low polycount. By that same logic Everquest 1 would have more subs than anything else out there. All of those other games have serious flaws and it has nothing to do with their visuals.
Don't get me wrong, I am a huge believe that gameplay is far more important than graphics. They don't make or break a game usually, but between misleading people and then basically telling them thay can't figure out their own graphical settings is silly.
Not at all. Eq1 is an old game that not many new school players know about as WoW brought a lot of current gamers to the market in the first place. Once they were here, EQ1 was too old to draw any interest. What I saying is that by keeping your system requirements low, you have a larger audience, you agree?
By having a larger audience, or more people to play the game, you have higher subs. If you don't agree, please explain how WoW has remained at the top of the subs charts when so many other games are free to play?
the fact that Bioware would launch regardless of huge issues means they care more about the money than their player bases. Shouldn't have been released with major issues.. even if they did pop up last second.
This is an ignorant statement. They get their money from the playerbase. If you piss off your playerbase, you piss away your cash. They released when they did because the playerbase was getting weary of waiting for the game.
They felt the issues that cropped up prior to release were minor enough to be fixable after launch, and they are.
Since this wasn't really an issue for me, I think they handled it fine. I never thought the graphics looked all that bad. Of course, I'm not running a high end rig so high end settings would probably just tank my system.
You know. These kind of responses just piss me off to no end!
So just because you do not have a High End rig and do not care about graphics, it's automatically fine how Bioware handled it?
I find that highly arrogant and egocentric! Totally disregarding and disrespecting a lot of people out there that DO HAVE High End rigs (some even build a new one specially for this game) and DO CARE about HighRes graphics!
That's why GOOD games have plenty of graphic settings to adjust the graphics to match what YOUR system can handle!
WE WANT the CHOICE ourselves to run the game with HighRes textures and DECIDE ourselves if our system can handle it or not!
Is that too much to ask? I think not! Especially since the HighRes textures are already there!
I havea moderatly high rig and could probably run the game on a much higher setting. But bashing someone else for not having the oppertunity to play witch such a setting is retarded. The game is an MMO - its supposed to appeal to the mass's. not the handfful of the mass's that have the "high rig". If they did that, it would end up like AoC. The graphics are fine imo, there will be improvements over time...I understand your argument, but if you want things to look prettier get crysis 2. I would guess that its easier for them to slowly add better settings overtime, as oppose to havingf all these wacky settings at the get go and having even more issues to work out from different bugs from different settings. "o thats what beta's for", you can only beta so much....
?? You know your post is full of irony right?
So because there are people out there that do not have High End rigs, all other people that DO have HighEnd rigs just have to suck it up and suffer lower graphics??
Are you serious? Do you even hear what you are saying here and how ridiculous that sounds?
By your post and definition all games today should still be stuck in year 90's graphics, because there are still people out there with 10 year old PC's !
EverQuest 2 should remove the HighRes textures!
LOTRO should remove the HighRes texture client download! Remove DX10 and DX11 !
Age of Conan should remove their HighRes textures and DX10!
In other words... pretty much every other MMO out there (some even over 7 years old) should remove all High Graphic settings, because there are people out there that cannot run them on these settings!
/SIGH
You just don't get it. Look at the sub numbers for EQ2... look at the sub numbers for LOTRO. Look at the Sub numbers for Age of Conan..... BTW, all of these games are free to play now.
Now, do me a favor and look at the sub numbers of WoW.... which is not free to play I might add.
You know why WoW is higher? Low poly count. They keep the game low so more people can play it. You may not like it but it's a decision you must make as a developer. You can't understand that because you're looking from your point of view and not taking theirs into account.
If you don't like the decision they have made.. you have every right to leave. I understand the decision and intend to keep playing. Both views are viable.
LOTRO was a huge success for several years! Turbine started slacking on regular updates (focus on DDO free2play conversion) that costs them sub numbers! And now after the Hybrid Free2Play it's still a huge success! Sorry to burst your bubble!
EverQuest 2 is doing just fine and has plenty of loyal subscribers.
The reasons why these games went Free2Play wasn't because of them having High Graphic Settings! That's just retarded!
As all the games I listed you are able to downscale their graphics to the point you can still run them on a 10 year old rig!
No... and you fail to mention my entire argument. The reason why WoW is so popular and the other games have not.. and will not touch it is due to the lower end visuals/low system requirements. It the reason why you see incremental updates and not engines rehauls from WoW. They know that the more people that can access your game, the more subs you'll have. The more subs, the more money.
I don't care about the sucess of LOTRO, EQ2, or AOC. I know that they are not, and never will be as popular as WoW, which is what most developers want... due to the higher settings available. If Bioware choices to go more the WoW route and make their game accessible to the larger audience over pleasing the graphic buffs... then so be it.
Like I said, you have the right to not play.
WoW's success was not because of the poor cartoony graphics!
It was the TIME it released. And it was the litterly INSANE marketing machine of Blizzard that made it a success at that time.
If WoW would release today, it will never reach the amount of subs like it did back in 2004.
It was all about timing! Nothing more! Nothing less!
Since this wasn't really an issue for me, I think they handled it fine. I never thought the graphics looked all that bad. Of course, I'm not running a high end rig so high end settings would probably just tank my system.
You know. These kind of responses just piss me off to no end!
So just because you do not have a High End rig and do not care about graphics, it's automatically fine how Bioware handled it?
I find that highly arrogant and egocentric! Totally disregarding and disrespecting a lot of people out there that DO HAVE High End rigs (some even build a new one specially for this game) and DO CARE about HighRes graphics!
That's why GOOD games have plenty of graphic settings to adjust the graphics to match what YOUR system can handle!
WE WANT the CHOICE ourselves to run the game with HighRes textures and DECIDE ourselves if our system can handle it or not!
Is that too much to ask? I think not! Especially since the HighRes textures are already there!
I havea moderatly high rig and could probably run the game on a much higher setting. But bashing someone else for not having the oppertunity to play witch such a setting is retarded. The game is an MMO - its supposed to appeal to the mass's. not the handfful of the mass's that have the "high rig". If they did that, it would end up like AoC. The graphics are fine imo, there will be improvements over time...I understand your argument, but if you want things to look prettier get crysis 2. I would guess that its easier for them to slowly add better settings overtime, as oppose to havingf all these wacky settings at the get go and having even more issues to work out from different bugs from different settings. "o thats what beta's for", you can only beta so much....
?? You know your post is full of irony right?
So because there are people out there that do not have High End rigs, all other people that DO have HighEnd rigs just have to suck it up and suffer lower graphics??
Are you serious? Do you even hear what you are saying here and how ridiculous that sounds?
By your post and definition all games today should still be stuck in year 90's graphics, because there are still people out there with 10 year old PC's !
EverQuest 2 should remove the HighRes textures!
LOTRO should remove the HighRes texture client download! Remove DX10 and DX11 !
Age of Conan should remove their HighRes textures and DX10!
In other words... pretty much every other MMO out there (some even over 7 years old) should remove all High Graphic settings, because there are people out there that cannot run them on these settings!
/SIGH
You just don't get it. Look at the sub numbers for EQ2... look at the sub numbers for LOTRO. Look at the Sub numbers for Age of Conan..... BTW, all of these games are free to play now.
Now, do me a favor and look at the sub numbers of WoW.... which is not free to play I might add.
You know why WoW is higher? Low poly count. They keep the game low so more people can play it. You may not like it but it's a decision you must make as a developer. You can't understand that because you're looking from your point of view and not taking theirs into account.
If you don't like the decision they have made.. you have every right to leave. I understand the decision and intend to keep playing. Both views are viable.
LOTRO was a huge success for several years! Turbine started slacking on regular updates (focus on DDO free2play conversion) that costs them sub numbers! And now after the Hybrid Free2Play it's still a huge success! Sorry to burst your bubble!
EverQuest 2 is doing just fine and has plenty of loyal subscribers.
The reasons why these games went Free2Play wasn't because of them having High Graphic Settings! That's just retarded!
As all the games I listed you are able to downscale their graphics to the point you can still run them on a 10 year old rig!
No... and you fail to mention my entire argument. The reason why WoW is so popular and the other games have not.. and will not touch it is due to the lower end visuals/low system requirements. It the reason why you see incremental updates and not engines rehauls from WoW. They know that the more people that can access your game, the more subs you'll have. The more subs, the more money.
I don't care about the sucess of LOTRO, EQ2, or AOC. I know that they are not, and never will be as popular as WoW, which is what most developers want... due to the higher settings available. If Bioware choices to go more the WoW route and make their game accessible to the larger audience over pleasing the graphic buffs... then so be it.
Like I said, you have the right to not play.
Ummmmmmmmmm.............what?
I don't even know where to begin with an arguement that a game is not popular/successful due to SCALEABLE graphic settings based off of a systems hardware monitored by the user.
You just don't get it. Look at the sub numbers for EQ2... look at the sub numbers for LOTRO. Look at the Sub numbers for Age of Conan..... BTW, all of these games are free to play now.
Now, do me a favor and look at the sub numbers of WoW.... which is not free to play I might add.
You know why WoW is higher? Low poly count. They keep the game low so more people can play it. You may not like it but it's a decision you must make as a developer. You can't understand that because you're looking from your point of view and not taking theirs into account.
If you don't like the decision they have made.. you have every right to leave. I understand the decision and intend to keep playing. Both views are viable.
WoW's high subcriptions are not because of its low polycount. By that same logic Everquest 1 would have more subs than anything else out there. All of those other games have serious flaws and it has nothing to do with their visuals.
Don't get me wrong, I am a huge believe that gameplay is far more important than graphics. They don't make or break a game usually, but between misleading people and then basically telling them thay can't figure out their own graphical settings is silly.
Not at all. Eq1 is an old game that not many new school players know about as WoW brought a lot of current gamers to the market in the first place. Once they were here, EQ1 was too old to draw any interest. What I saying is that by keeping your system requirements low, you have a larger audience, you agree?
By having a larger audience, or more people to play the game, you have higher subs. If you don't agree, please explain how WoW has remained at the top of the subs charts when so many other games are free to play?
WoW has better textures than Swtor, this was posted in the swtor forums few weeks ago:
You just don't get it. Look at the sub numbers for EQ2... look at the sub numbers for LOTRO. Look at the Sub numbers for Age of Conan..... BTW, all of these games are free to play now.
Now, do me a favor and look at the sub numbers of WoW.... which is not free to play I might add.
You know why WoW is higher? Low poly count. They keep the game low so more people can play it. You may not like it but it's a decision you must make as a developer. You can't understand that because you're looking from your point of view and not taking theirs into account.
If you don't like the decision they have made.. you have every right to leave. I understand the decision and intend to keep playing. Both views are viable.
WoW's high subcriptions are not because of its low polycount. By that same logic Everquest 1 would have more subs than anything else out there. All of those other games have serious flaws and it has nothing to do with their visuals.
Don't get me wrong, I am a huge believe that gameplay is far more important than graphics. They don't make or break a game usually, but between misleading people and then basically telling them thay can't figure out their own graphical settings is silly.
Not at all. Eq1 is an old game that not many new school players know about as WoW brought a lot of current gamers to the market in the first place. Once they were here, EQ1 was too old to draw any interest. What I saying is that by keeping your system requirements low, you have a larger audience, you agree?
By having a larger audience, or more people to play the game, you have higher subs. If you don't agree, please explain how WoW has remained at the top of the subs charts when so many other games are free to play?
Right time, right place, excellent marketing and a well established franchise............Warcraft.
Dear players who think this is some sort of conspiracy or that Bioware Lied about the reason the Hi Rez graphics are not in the game.
Really?
The rest of us are scratching our heads, we all can believe the reasons Bioware gave because they are logical, they make sense. Lets apply some deductive reasoning and some logical thought to this whole process to realize that they are telling the truth and that a huge company like Bioware has many many departments, so its absolutely freaking stupid to generalize the entire game developer, let alone even a department.
So Please stop with the "I used to love Bioware until blah blah blah" Guess what kiddos a lot of the people who made Bauldars Gate dont' work at Bioware any more, companies change employees, they are not people.
Let me re state that. Companies are not people.
Thank you for your time.
Please feel free to continue with the rants about conspiracies and how we're all gullible for not believing.
It is bait and switch since they didt adress that issue befor people noticed it. If they had sent mail to everyone that preorder the game and letting em know this and give em an option to cancel theyr preoder it would not have been bait and switch.
But Bioware didt do this, they kept this silence until people started to notice it.
I never knew as i didt play this game under beta, i just thought it looked crappy.
I have no idea hwo to blame, its either theyr engine or they got crappy coders, anyway Bioware did take a hugh hit from me.
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- Players are too ignorant to know how to adjust graphics if they can't run the game on high
- In a heavily sharded game where it's practically impossible to run in to more than 10-15 players during normal game play (fleet being the exception and we all know what a lag fest that already is) the engine cant handle rendering that many high textures
- The fact we left the three options in was obviously a bug that went under our radar until we saw hundreds of posts about it pre and post release
Made me laugh, honestly I don't really care but insulting our intelligence wasn't the way to go. The engine is poorly optimised (we were told it was our machines), that is obvious, coming straight out with that fact and saying it's being worked on would have been far less painful if it was done much earlier.I really don't get it. The whole launch has been handled kinda shitty. They didn't give a legitimate reason to remove the high-res textures on their end, just that some people might have performance issues...well so would people if they run the game on 10 year old hardware. That's a user issue, not something that affects the game. I ran it fine during the beta, don't see what the problem was. And if they removed them, why not tell us? That's kind of a big deal to a lot of people, especially when they expect to see high-def quality graphics while playing.
Every day I'm more and more glad that I decided to wait before buying this one. Seriously, hold them accountable for their fuck ups.
No... this is not the typical "bait and switch". Bait and switch occurs when a consumer is baited to a certain product, and when they go to buy it, they're told it's not available and are pointed to another product.
And they could not get their money back for "false advertisement" by screen shots and videos as the "Final Product may differ". My god people. I love how this happens and everyone all of a sudden knows the law.
No it actually is!
If we stick to Bioware for a moment! With ALL other Bioware games, the Media section (screenshots and videos) perfectly resembled to what players could achieve ingame when it comes to quality! ALL their previous games!
And now suddenly with SW:TOR they show graphics in screenshots that can't be achieved by players ingame and that is Perfectly fine??
I am sorry... but THAT is false advertisement! Unless they had added a disclaimer to all these screenshots! They did not!
In fact, they just continue to promote the game with FULL HighRes graphics! (patch 1.1 coverage)
Yes.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
They gave a perfectly valid reason for the removal of the textures...people just didn't like it. I for one am currently playing and having a blast.
It's your choice to play or not and I think for you, you made the correct decision. Please understand that others may like the game. It's not so hard to get.
Sony/GT5 ran afoul of UK advertising rules last year when it ran an ad featuring the replay mode which it claimed was 'actual gameplay'.
Promoting SWToR as having high res when that only exists in the cutscenes isn't so dissimiliar. It's not very honest either. I can see why they're doing it, no one likes bad press, but maybe they should scale back on promotions and adverts featuring it when it's just not there.
You just don't get it. Look at the sub numbers for EQ2... look at the sub numbers for LOTRO. Look at the Sub numbers for Age of Conan..... BTW, all of these games are free to play now.
Now, do me a favor and look at the sub numbers of WoW.... which is not free to play I might add.
You know why WoW is higher? Low poly count. They keep the game low so more people can play it. You may not like it but it's a decision you must make as a developer. You can't understand that because you're looking from your point of view and not taking theirs into account. It's not hard logic. Keep your game accessible and they will come. Yeah, you loose some high end graphic buffs... but you gain way more then you loose. It's a business decision plain and simple.
If you don't like the decision they have made.. you have every right to leave. I understand the decision and intend to keep playing. Both views are viable.
no, my post isn't full of irony, because im suggesting that the majoirty dont have a high end PC. And i didn't say they shouldn't offer high GPhix settings, I was just saying that not having such options was likely because they were tryingt o appeal to the mass's. I know plenty of people who haven't played MMO's because they complain " my computer isn't good enough". And no, That doesn't mean you have to have EQ1 Gphix, maybe something like... o , I know, the current state of SWTOR graphics - basic for everyone. If you want to run the highest graphics game go play something else. whether they do or they dont is to be seen, but they just said that they are planning to add more graphic options for the people who have the option to utizilze that. (again, assuming that high end rigs are less than common).
LOTRO was a huge success for several years! Turbine started slacking on regular updates (focus on DDO free2play conversion) that costs them sub numbers! And now after the Hybrid Free2Play it's still a huge success! Sorry to burst your bubble!
EverQuest 2 is doing just fine and has plenty of loyal subscribers.
The reasons why these games went Free2Play wasn't because of them having High Graphic Settings! That's just retarded!
As all the games I listed you are able to downscale their graphics to the point you can still run them on a 10 year old rig! Yes, even Age of Conan!
I guess it comes down to if you believe "medium graphics" are a bug, many (majority?) of players don't buy it hence the title of this thread.
WoW's high subcriptions are not because of its low polycount. By that same logic Everquest 1 would have more subs than anything else out there. All of those other games have serious flaws and it has nothing to do with their visuals.
Don't get me wrong, I am a huge believe that gameplay is far more important than graphics. They don't make or break a game usually, but between misleading people and then basically telling them thay can't figure out their own graphical settings is silly.
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No... and you fail to mention my entire argument. The reason why WoW is so popular and the other games have not.. and will not touch it is due to the lower end visuals/low system requirements. It the reason why you see incremental updates and not engines rehauls from WoW. They know that the more people that can access your game, the more subs you'll have. The more subs, the more money.
I don't care about the sucess of LOTRO, EQ2, or AOC. I know that they are not, and never will be as popular as WoW, which is what most developers want... due to the higher settings available. If Bioware choices to go more the WoW route and make their game accessible to the larger audience over pleasing the graphic buffs... then so be it.
Like I said, you have the right to not play.
And the perfomance thing is a lie.
I can run SWTOR and RIFT at the same time with 40-60 FPS. Both on max. settings (SWTOR 8xAA via Ini mod)
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Not at all. Eq1 is an old game that not many new school players know about as WoW brought a lot of current gamers to the market in the first place. Once they were here, EQ1 was too old to draw any interest. What I saying is that by keeping your system requirements low, you have a larger audience, you agree?
By having a larger audience, or more people to play the game, you have higher subs. If you don't agree, please explain how WoW has remained at the top of the subs charts when so many other games are free to play?
This is an ignorant statement. They get their money from the playerbase. If you piss off your playerbase, you piss away your cash. They released when they did because the playerbase was getting weary of waiting for the game.
They felt the issues that cropped up prior to release were minor enough to be fixable after launch, and they are.
WoW's success was not because of the poor cartoony graphics!
It was the TIME it released. And it was the litterly INSANE marketing machine of Blizzard that made it a success at that time.
If WoW would release today, it will never reach the amount of subs like it did back in 2004.
It was all about timing! Nothing more! Nothing less!
Ummmmmmmmmm.............what?
I don't even know where to begin with an arguement that a game is not popular/successful due to SCALEABLE graphic settings based off of a systems hardware monitored by the user.
WoW has better textures than Swtor, this was posted in the swtor forums few weeks ago:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r277/UnruheEndlos/TORWOWComparison.jpg
Your comment is a lie. Therefore.. you sir are a...
Just because you are not experiencing the performance issues does not mean other people are not experiencing them.
It truly pisses me off when arrogant little people like this comment.. well I'm not having the issue, thus it's not happening.
Right time, right place, excellent marketing and a well established franchise............Warcraft.
/back on topic
Dear players who think this is some sort of conspiracy or that Bioware Lied about the reason the Hi Rez graphics are not in the game.
Really?
The rest of us are scratching our heads, we all can believe the reasons Bioware gave because they are logical, they make sense. Lets apply some deductive reasoning and some logical thought to this whole process to realize that they are telling the truth and that a huge company like Bioware has many many departments, so its absolutely freaking stupid to generalize the entire game developer, let alone even a department.
So Please stop with the "I used to love Bioware until blah blah blah" Guess what kiddos a lot of the people who made Bauldars Gate dont' work at Bioware any more, companies change employees, they are not people.
Let me re state that. Companies are not people.
Thank you for your time.
Please feel free to continue with the rants about conspiracies and how we're all gullible for not believing.
Well established Franchise?
like Ultima was?
like Warhammer?
compare the people who played WC3 or WC2 vs the number who played WoW.
Guess what thats a huge difference!
I'm going to say that the established IP part doesn't really effect it much at all.
Not bad your batting .250 listed four items that made WoW great not 1 that you chose to nit pick and derail this thread over.
It is bait and switch since they didt adress that issue befor people noticed it. If they had sent mail to everyone that preorder the game and letting em know this and give em an option to cancel theyr preoder it would not have been bait and switch.
But Bioware didt do this, they kept this silence until people started to notice it.
I never knew as i didt play this game under beta, i just thought it looked crappy.
I have no idea hwo to blame, its either theyr engine or they got crappy coders, anyway Bioware did take a hugh hit from me.