I just found it (personally) visually unstimulating and lonely. That apparently changes with alliance warfare, but they have entrance requirements tighter than the pentagon.
Also, the vets are so far ahead that what is the point of mining? Going into manufacturing? You don't stand a chance against the concerted efforts of entire alliances who can manipulate market prices at will, manufacture everything cheaper and have access to more resources.
So that leaves PvP and since you cannot get into an alliance without virtual fellacio; that leaves you to small gang PvP or pirating. Chances you bump into a winnable fight when you eventually find someone? Low.
So the barrier to entry, as every veteran here has said, is to join a good corp.
If you have less than 30 million SP, how would one go about that? So the barrier to entry has it's own barrier to entry. And that is just the first of usually several requirements, listed on every corps spam in recruitment. Even if you get in, you're the new guy and the noses are turned up (yes, say i'm lying, don't care, it's what happened in my experience)
Raising this as an issue though is met with derision, even though everyone admits it is true. After several weeks of playing, you will still not get into a good corp as you are not seen as worthy.
I'll get shot down again, but ignore the problems and nothing gets resolved. I personally see this as a HUGE issue for the future of the game, EvEs own server graphs show a steady fall in daily numbers (Fact, it's on their own website, i can't be called a liar on this one and don't try and twist it saying it's January or something, it's over a year period). New player retention apparently relies on them getting into active corps, which is a hardcore begging game in itself.
Would i still be playing if i got into a good corp that didn't fold every week? YES. But i can't.
So any mature thoughts on this? Or am i just too thick for this game? So before the people with CCP tattoed on their foreheads steam in: I like the game, but due to the above, i cannot enjoy the game.
That is a lot of assumptions without any first hand experience....
First had experience of what? Played for like a year.
Sounds like you had a bad corp experience, which is unfortanate. IMO the best organizations in game are the ones that not only welcome new players but find use for these new players. I started 3 years ago and first PVP experience came 3 months into the game, a nullsec war. I was not ever turned down from bringing my tackleship to fleet. Recently, I heard of a story of a 3 week old player finding and tackling a carrier. One of the frontline FCs recognized the pilot's feat to his alliance.
One of the top traders I know works with other players for thier carriers and jump freighters as he has only 10 mil SP. He started with us when he had only 2 mil SP and has been instrumental in our efforts in nullsec supplying whatever he can. Last night I heard of a story of another good trader, 5 weeks old, who was able to aquire quite a wealth himself.
Corps, especially nullsec corps, would unwise to not bring in new players. New players often have more energy then bittervets. Vets can say they have the experience and SP to throw around, but often they are too set in their ways.
Originally posted by Vegetto I just found it (personally) visually unstimulating and lonely. That apparently changes with alliance warfare, but they have entrance requirements tighter than the pentagon.
Also, the vets are so far ahead that what is the point of mining? Going into manufacturing? You don't stand a chance against the concerted efforts of entire alliances who can manipulate market prices at will, manufacture everything cheaper and have access to more resources. So that leaves PvP and since you cannot get into an alliance without virtual fellacio; that leaves you to small gang PvP or pirating. Chances you bump into a winnable fight when you eventually find someone? Low. So the barrier to entry, as every veteran here has said, is to join a good corp. If you have less than 30 million SP, how would one go about that? So the barrier to entry has it's own barrier to entry. And that is just the first of usually several requirements, listed on every corps spam in recruitment. Even if you get in, you're the new guy and the noses are turned up (yes, say i'm lying, don't care, it's what happened in my experience) Raising this as an issue though is met with derision, even though everyone admits it is true. After several weeks of playing, you will still not get into a good corp as you are not seen as worthy. I'll get shot down again, but ignore the problems and nothing gets resolved. I personally see this as a HUGE issue for the future of the game, EvEs own server graphs show a steady fall in daily numbers (Fact, it's on their own website, i can't be called a liar on this one and don't try and twist it saying it's January or something, it's over a year period). New player retention apparently relies on them getting into active corps, which is a hardcore begging game in itself. Would i still be playing if i got into a good corp that didn't fold every week? YES. But i can't. So any mature thoughts on this? Or am i just too thick for this game? So before the people with CCP tattoed on their foreheads steam in: I like the game, but due to the above, i cannot enjoy the game.
That is a lot of assumptions without any first hand experience....
First had experience of what? Played for like a year.
Sounds like you had a bad corp experience, which is unfortanate. IMO the best organizations in game are the ones that not only welcome new players but find use for these new players. I started 3 years ago and first PVP experience came 3 months into the game, a nullsec war. I was not ever turned down from bringing my tackleship to fleet. Recently, I heard of a story of a 3 week old player finding and tackling a carrier. One of the frontline FCs recognized the pilot's feat to his alliance. One of the top traders I know works with other players for thier carriers and jump freighters as he has only 10 mil SP. He started with us when he had only 2 mil SP and has been instrumental in our efforts in nullsec supplying whatever he can. Last night I heard of a story of another good trader, 5 weeks old, who was able to aquire quite a wealth himself. Corps, especially nullsec corps, would unwise to not bring in new players. New players often have more energy then bittervets. Vets can say they have the experience and SP to throw around, but often they are too set in their ways.
Pretty much. The best corp experience i had in terms of people was a mining corp, but naturally, that is a very, very limited method of play.
I studied the game extensively before hand, so none of my SP is wasted. I have all the learning skills (which i hear are almost defunct now ) and core skills maxed, along with all the necessary support skills upto IV. In order to fly ships well earlier on, i focussed my 20 mil SP (roughly) on a few ship types, namely Interdictors and Battlecruisers. Although i can fly BS's and HAC's, i don't really have all of the advanced skills to dominate with those.
I will be trying again, i think last time i played was when they first introduced the new remodelled ships from the old graphics, so i think that's a while ago.
The new characters will be nice for me too, as it will help me connect more with my character, who beforehand looked like Clark Gable.
To be honest, the ships i can fly i can fly well, due to my focussed skillset and i know the game mechanics well enough, i even read dozens of guides on the market and tried trading as a career, searching trade routes. It just got rather dull though and really, the ISK isn't an issue when i can just sell plex if i really need to. So i don't see any issue with a corp recruiting me and my char is from 2004/05, so the spygame shouldn't affect me.
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Sounds like you had a bad corp experience, which is unfortanate. IMO the best organizations in game are the ones that not only welcome new players but find use for these new players. I started 3 years ago and first PVP experience came 3 months into the game, a nullsec war. I was not ever turned down from bringing my tackleship to fleet. Recently, I heard of a story of a 3 week old player finding and tackling a carrier. One of the frontline FCs recognized the pilot's feat to his alliance.
One of the top traders I know works with other players for thier carriers and jump freighters as he has only 10 mil SP. He started with us when he had only 2 mil SP and has been instrumental in our efforts in nullsec supplying whatever he can. Last night I heard of a story of another good trader, 5 weeks old, who was able to aquire quite a wealth himself.
Corps, especially nullsec corps, would unwise to not bring in new players. New players often have more energy then bittervets. Vets can say they have the experience and SP to throw around, but often they are too set in their ways.
Pretty much. The best corp experience i had in terms of people was a mining corp, but naturally, that is a very, very limited method of play.
I studied the game extensively before hand, so none of my SP is wasted. I have all the learning skills (which i hear are almost defunct now
) and core skills maxed, along with all the necessary support skills upto IV. In order to fly ships well earlier on, i focussed my 20 mil SP (roughly) on a few ship types, namely Interdictors and Battlecruisers. Although i can fly BS's and HAC's, i don't really have all of the advanced skills to dominate with those.
I will be trying again, i think last time i played was when they first introduced the new remodelled ships from the old graphics, so i think that's a while ago.
The new characters will be nice for me too, as it will help me connect more with my character, who beforehand looked like Clark Gable.
To be honest, the ships i can fly i can fly well, due to my focussed skillset and i know the game mechanics well enough, i even read dozens of guides on the market and tried trading as a career, searching trade routes. It just got rather dull though and really, the ISK isn't an issue when i can just sell plex if i really need to. So i don't see any issue with a corp recruiting me and my char is from 2004/05, so the spygame shouldn't affect me.
I say the exact same thing about http://www.starquestonline.net
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
EVE clone on a much smaller budget?