You set that poll up so that anyone who paid attention to how you defined the points had to vote no hgher than about a 8. I mean point to one MMO that would be above a 8 with how you defined the numbers? If you do your rose colored glasses are more than a few inches thick.
Still a 7 to me, on just about any scale I've seen including this one. I do take issue with the way the poll was formatted. 7 and 6 are bascally the same thing. 8-10 are feats hardly any game ever achieves, making them moot and pretty much inapplicable to vote for. Nothing is ever near perfect, even 10's have flaws here and there as well as more desirable functions.
That is why I requested that people read them carefully before voting. You're right, no game may ever achieve a 10. Maybe a 9 if we're ever so lucky in our life time. 8 is doable.
My point was your 8 is a typical 10 :P. with a normal 8-9 not being present at all.
This is my problem with this poll as well. The OP deliberately stacked the high rate numbers with nearly impossible conditions in order to drive down the overall score.
Ill say 8. I enjoy the game as a whole, and have not run into any issues where I am ready to put the game down after month one. My guild quit both Aion and Rift after the first month was over, and we have yet to lose anyone in Star Wars yet due to unsubbing.
So far the end game has been a lot more fun than previous titles, and I find myself enjoying the story of each character as I play them through. The ability to level through PvP and space combat helps break up the levels, especially if I dont feel like questing on a particular planet.
It does have its issues, however. The lack of UI customization, target of target, threat indicators and the sharding of planets do bother me, and are issues that I would like to see taken care of. The rest of my issues are really just glitches that dont bother me overall..a door left on a ship after it takes off in a cut scene, mouths not moving some times and so on, really nothing I would ever consider game breaking or feel I need to unsub over.
The next patch promises to take care of most of the issues I have, and with Bioware most likely having a very large pool of money to continue pushing out updates, I see this game lasting quite a long time and becoming a very stable game.
You set that poll up so that anyone who paid attention to how you defined the points had to vote no hgher than about a 8. I mean point to one MMO that would be above a 8 with how you defined the numbers? If you do your rose colored glasses are more than a few inches thick.
I disagree. I think Teala's poll is how scores would look if they hadn't made 8's and 9's "average" and kept them actual high scores. It's not her poll that's backwards, it's the pros'.
You set that poll up so that anyone who paid attention to how you defined the points had to vote no hgher than about a 8. I mean point to one MMO that would be above a 8 with how you defined the numbers? If you do your rose colored glasses are more than a few inches thick.
I disagree. I think Teala's poll is how scores would look if they hadn't made 8's and 9's "average" and kept them actual high scores. It's not her poll that's backwards, it's the pros'.
I agree with you I just wanted to point ou that giving the game a 7 based on how he defined the scores is like most of the "pro reviewer sites" giving it a 9-9.5. Way to many people these days look at a 7 as a bad game which is just werid.
I know it doesnt fit SW lore and all that ... but when will devs learn - 2 factions pvp cant work. It just cant. We had Aion, we had WaR (althro i dont even recall if war was faction pvp, all i was doing were 2 maps over and over again :d). We had... you name it. and only game that got its pvp portion right was daoc. Imo, no pvp is better than 2 factions one
yes its a bit off topic, althro not so much, considering faction unbalances this early in the game.
I was quite surprised that the average rating was so high given the level of negative hype TOR seems to have garnered.
The 10% of respondents who voted 1 remain outside the bell curve, which probably explains it.
It might be because people who wanted it to be a 10 calmed down and accepted it for what it is, and the people who expected much lower on the scale (including myself) played it and saw the potential it had. It evened out. It's a good game but it's not perfect. I think the poll turned out well after 350 votes. The 1's are sniffing glue.
Well personally I think my poll is one of the more accurate ones we've ever seen for this game. It is bearing out what many people like me suspected that the pre-game hype and then the honeymoon were just that - a honeymoon to be remembered.
Now that people have had time to relax and catch their breaths, sorta speak...hehehe, we can see that the game is not a terribly bad game...it is just average or a little above it.
Is it a good game? Sure for what it is, but it isn't going to de-seat WoW as people were predicting and it isn't going to have anywhere near the subscribers people were tossing around here. It will just be a nice alternative themepark game for those that do not wish to hitch their wagon to WoW, Rift, LotRO, Aion, etc, etc.
Still a 7 to me, on just about any scale I've seen including this one. I do take issue with the way the poll was formatted. 7 and 6 are bascally the same thing. 8-10 are feats hardly any game ever achieves, making them moot and pretty much inapplicable to vote for. Nothing is ever near perfect, even 10's have flaws here and there as well as more desirable functions.
That is why I requested that people read them carefully before voting. You're right, no game may ever achieve a 10. Maybe a 9 if we're ever so lucky in our life time. 8 is doable.
So a poorly designed scale to measure what you are measuring. If you had done away with unatainable scores and pairs of scores that where essentially the same you could have had a neat 1-5 with every level unique and attainable.
I think it was a bad decision to use a 1-10 scale unless you wanted to measure how much bias people towards certain numbers and how little they read.
Would have been better to use letters but not (A B C D E F), so that it gets harder for the bias to numbers /letters to affect the outcome of the poll.
definitely finding myself not devoting all my time to swtor now, I am beginning to pine for skyrim again, even played the kingdom of amalur demo and find myself watching anime instead of playing...still enjoy swtor, but yeah honeymoon is over. And with TERA on the horizon and Secret World not far behind(hopefully with not too many issues to work out at launch) I see my time fractured even more with swtor getting an even smaller piece of my time. I voted 6, though honestly I cannot think of what it needs....just that it needs something
Would have been better to use letters but not (A B C D E F), so that it gets harder for the bias to numbers /letters to affect the outcome of the poll.
Would be better to not attempt push polling at all.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
This is my problem with this poll as well. The OP deliberately stacked the high rate numbers with nearly impossible conditions in order to drive down the overall score.
I'm not saying that, she could have just felt the more options the better, or something along those lines. I just don't see what she'd have to gain by doing something like that.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
My grade and feelings towards this game are the same as they have always been. An average mmorpg. Nothing really innovative but still an entertaining ride if you enjoy themeparks.
Really needs work in some areas such as with their lfg mechanics and ui customization. Amongst some other items. Certainly not near as good as what they could have potentially done with this game but on the other hand it isn't near as bad as some try to make it out to be either.
If anything, the game is remarkably average. Outside the class story lines I have to say nothing really stands out about this game at all.
Regardless, I'm enjoying it. A lot more now since I switched severs because amongst some other items one issue that is cropping up and will continue to do so is the population levels on some of these servers is extremely low. Especially if you like to pug. Good luck with that. Between their subpar lfg mechanics and the population levels on some servers it can be very tedious trying to do so.
I gave it a 7.0. Which quite frankly might be a bit on the generous side but that's the grade I gave the first time this came up and I still think is an appropriate score now.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Would have been better to use letters but not (A B C D E F), so that it gets harder for the bias to numbers /letters to affect the outcome of the poll.
Would be better to not attempt push polling at all.
Even if the topic starter intended to use this poll as a push poll, just being a push poll does not automatically remove all merit from a poll. Furthermore, the level of usefulness in this forum is very low and as such this thread is fine even if it is a push poll without any merit.
I gave it a 5, and that would be a low 5 if there was that option. I find myself having fun with the game, though not enough to keep me logging in day after day. It has become a log in once in a while time waster for me.
I have found that a lot of the story missions are bugged as I have had to recieve help on some of mine due to bugs, and provided help on others missions due to bugs as well.
For instance, my sniper couldn't attack a boss (I won't say who in order to avoid spoilers) on one of my story missions because of cover line of sight issues. I would order my companion to attack, only to have them run up and stand there directly in front of the mob. After a few seconds, the encounter would start, only to have to run around the room hoping my abilities would fire off.
I decided to enlist help, and for my guildee to tell me if they too had problems with abilities working in the encounter. Sure enough, most of their abilities would not fire off (my buddy was a sith inquiz with Kem Val as a tank). It had nothing to do with encounter mechanics or debuffs or anything like that. The fight was just buggy.
I am not saying that these problems persist in every persons story line missions, just that it happened to me and a few others that I know of in my guild.
Anyway, after that encounter, my story missions went pretty smooth.
Other areas I feel need work is the crafting system, the GTN, the lessening of ability delay, more variety in space combat, over all graphical fixes, and perhaps some of the flashpoints need more social interaction options to gain social points.
Even if the topic starter intended to use this poll as a push poll, just being a push poll does not automatically remove all merit from a poll. Furthermore, the level of usefulness in this forum is very low and as such this thread is fine even if it is a push poll without any merit.
Good, so long as we accept that most forms of online polling deliver essentially useless data. I agree.
OP doesn't seem to believe that, however.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
My grade and feelings towards this game are the same as they have always been. An average mmorpg. Nothing really innovative but still an entertaining ride if you enjoy themeparks.
Really needs work in some areas such as with their lfg mechanics and ui customization. Amongst some other items. Certainly not near as good as what they could have potentially done with this game but on the other hand it isn't near as bad as some try to make it out to be either.
If anything, the game is remarkably average. Outside the class story lines I have to say nothing really stands out about this game at all.
Regardless, I'm enjoying it. A lot more now since I switched severs because amongst some other items one issue that is cropping up and will continue to do so is the population levels on some of these servers is extremely low. Especially if you like to pug. Good luck with that. Between their subpar lfg mechanics and the population levels on some servers it can be very tedious trying to do so.
I gave it a 7.0. Which quite frankly might be a bit on the generous side but that's the grade I gave the first time this came up and I still think is an appropriate score now.
i think one thing they did absolutely right was the server issue, you don't have to play on the Euro servers, i live in the UK... but.. the North American servers are definitely better.. and seem to be more populated. At the moment they could probably ditch more than half of the Euro servers anyway, or consolidate them quite a bit at least.
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You set that poll up so that anyone who paid attention to how you defined the points had to vote no hgher than about a 8. I mean point to one MMO that would be above a 8 with how you defined the numbers? If you do your rose colored glasses are more than a few inches thick.
Why would anyone take anything from "pro" reviewers? I think this poll is turning out much more honest than anything they spew.
This is my problem with this poll as well. The OP deliberately stacked the high rate numbers with nearly impossible conditions in order to drive down the overall score.
Ill say 8. I enjoy the game as a whole, and have not run into any issues where I am ready to put the game down after month one. My guild quit both Aion and Rift after the first month was over, and we have yet to lose anyone in Star Wars yet due to unsubbing.
So far the end game has been a lot more fun than previous titles, and I find myself enjoying the story of each character as I play them through. The ability to level through PvP and space combat helps break up the levels, especially if I dont feel like questing on a particular planet.
It does have its issues, however. The lack of UI customization, target of target, threat indicators and the sharding of planets do bother me, and are issues that I would like to see taken care of. The rest of my issues are really just glitches that dont bother me overall..a door left on a ship after it takes off in a cut scene, mouths not moving some times and so on, really nothing I would ever consider game breaking or feel I need to unsub over.
The next patch promises to take care of most of the issues I have, and with Bioware most likely having a very large pool of money to continue pushing out updates, I see this game lasting quite a long time and becoming a very stable game.
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I disagree. I think Teala's poll is how scores would look if they hadn't made 8's and 9's "average" and kept them actual high scores. It's not her poll that's backwards, it's the pros'.
I agree with you I just wanted to point ou that giving the game a 7 based on how he defined the scores is like most of the "pro reviewer sites" giving it a 9-9.5. Way to many people these days look at a 7 as a bad game which is just werid.
I was quite surprised that the average rating was so high given the level of negative hype TOR seems to have garnered.
The 10% of respondents who voted 1 remain outside the bell curve, which probably explains it.
I know it doesnt fit SW lore and all that ... but when will devs learn - 2 factions pvp cant work. It just cant. We had Aion, we had WaR (althro i dont even recall if war was faction pvp, all i was doing were 2 maps over and over again :d). We had... you name it. and only game that got its pvp portion right was daoc. Imo, no pvp is better than 2 factions one
yes its a bit off topic, althro not so much, considering faction unbalances this early in the game.
It might be because people who wanted it to be a 10 calmed down and accepted it for what it is, and the people who expected much lower on the scale (including myself) played it and saw the potential it had. It evened out. It's a good game but it's not perfect. I think the poll turned out well after 350 votes. The 1's are sniffing glue.
Well personally I think my poll is one of the more accurate ones we've ever seen for this game. It is bearing out what many people like me suspected that the pre-game hype and then the honeymoon were just that - a honeymoon to be remembered.
Now that people have had time to relax and catch their breaths, sorta speak...hehehe, we can see that the game is not a terribly bad game...it is just average or a little above it.
Is it a good game? Sure for what it is, but it isn't going to de-seat WoW as people were predicting and it isn't going to have anywhere near the subscribers people were tossing around here. It will just be a nice alternative themepark game for those that do not wish to hitch their wagon to WoW, Rift, LotRO, Aion, etc, etc.
Nothing wrong with that. Choices are good.
I gave it a five, but I havent been playing that long. Only a level 14 healer on the Republic side. God, I am squishy, but having fun
So a poorly designed scale to measure what you are measuring. If you had done away with unatainable scores and pairs of scores that where essentially the same you could have had a neat 1-5 with every level unique and attainable.
I think it was a bad decision to use a 1-10 scale unless you wanted to measure how much bias people towards certain numbers and how little they read.
Would have been better to use letters but not (A B C D E F), so that it gets harder for the bias to numbers /letters to affect the outcome of the poll.
definitely finding myself not devoting all my time to swtor now, I am beginning to pine for skyrim again, even played the kingdom of amalur demo and find myself watching anime instead of playing...still enjoy swtor, but yeah honeymoon is over. And with TERA on the horizon and Secret World not far behind(hopefully with not too many issues to work out at launch) I see my time fractured even more with swtor getting an even smaller piece of my time. I voted 6, though honestly I cannot think of what it needs....just that it needs something
Would be better to not attempt push polling at all.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
I'm not saying that, she could have just felt the more options the better, or something along those lines. I just don't see what she'd have to gain by doing something like that.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I gave it a 4 but the grade only applies to PvP since I have no interest in quest levelling or PvE in general.
Yeah TOR needs some serious work in the PvP department. It's a catastrophe atm.
i gave it a 5.. but your right about the PVP...
My grade and feelings towards this game are the same as they have always been. An average mmorpg. Nothing really innovative but still an entertaining ride if you enjoy themeparks.
Really needs work in some areas such as with their lfg mechanics and ui customization. Amongst some other items. Certainly not near as good as what they could have potentially done with this game but on the other hand it isn't near as bad as some try to make it out to be either.
If anything, the game is remarkably average. Outside the class story lines I have to say nothing really stands out about this game at all.
Regardless, I'm enjoying it. A lot more now since I switched severs because amongst some other items one issue that is cropping up and will continue to do so is the population levels on some of these servers is extremely low. Especially if you like to pug. Good luck with that. Between their subpar lfg mechanics and the population levels on some servers it can be very tedious trying to do so.
I gave it a 7.0. Which quite frankly might be a bit on the generous side but that's the grade I gave the first time this came up and I still think is an appropriate score now.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Even if the topic starter intended to use this poll as a push poll, just being a push poll does not automatically remove all merit from a poll. Furthermore, the level of usefulness in this forum is very low and as such this thread is fine even if it is a push poll without any merit.
4: Ilum needs a complete overhaul and should not even have been release in the first place. Patch 1.1 even made the issue worse.
If not for Ilum I would rate it a 5.
I gave it a 5, and that would be a low 5 if there was that option. I find myself having fun with the game, though not enough to keep me logging in day after day. It has become a log in once in a while time waster for me.
I have found that a lot of the story missions are bugged as I have had to recieve help on some of mine due to bugs, and provided help on others missions due to bugs as well.
For instance, my sniper couldn't attack a boss (I won't say who in order to avoid spoilers) on one of my story missions because of cover line of sight issues. I would order my companion to attack, only to have them run up and stand there directly in front of the mob. After a few seconds, the encounter would start, only to have to run around the room hoping my abilities would fire off.
I decided to enlist help, and for my guildee to tell me if they too had problems with abilities working in the encounter. Sure enough, most of their abilities would not fire off (my buddy was a sith inquiz with Kem Val as a tank). It had nothing to do with encounter mechanics or debuffs or anything like that. The fight was just buggy.
I am not saying that these problems persist in every persons story line missions, just that it happened to me and a few others that I know of in my guild.
Anyway, after that encounter, my story missions went pretty smooth.
Other areas I feel need work is the crafting system, the GTN, the lessening of ability delay, more variety in space combat, over all graphical fixes, and perhaps some of the flashpoints need more social interaction options to gain social points.
7....sounds about right.
Good, so long as we accept that most forms of online polling deliver essentially useless data. I agree.
OP doesn't seem to believe that, however.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
i think one thing they did absolutely right was the server issue, you don't have to play on the Euro servers, i live in the UK... but.. the North American servers are definitely better.. and seem to be more populated. At the moment they could probably ditch more than half of the Euro servers anyway, or consolidate them quite a bit at least.