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My first impressions of Lineage 2
Fly666monkey
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I will warn you now, this thread is going to contain some angry ranting.
After playing this game to level 20, I don't have many nice things to say.
So, having quit CoH a month back, and wanting to get into another MMO whilst waiting for Guild Wars 2, I deceided "what the heck" and downloaded Lineage 2.
After waiting for the 6 GB intstall to finish, I booted the game up, adjusted my settings, and logged in.
The first thing I noticed was how insanely limited character customization was. 8 hairstlyes, 3 faces, 4 hair colors, no sliders, and NO SKIN TONE OPTIONS. The world of lineage 2 is apparently as ethnically diverse as Utah. L2 probably has one of the worst character creation systems I have ever seen, and considering how much time they have had to expand this lackluster aspect of the game, there is no excuse for this.
So after making my character, I log into the game. The VERY FIRST mesage I recieve in my chat box is gold spam. We are off to a great start, and the best part is that he is broadcasting in the entire starter zone. Joy. At the same time, I find out that you can't use any chat functions whatsoever until level 20, so if at any time I needed help from another player, I was SOL. I can only assume that this is done to reduce gold spam. It clearly is working.
So I head off to get my first quest, and immediately found out that the controls SUCK. The game relies on click to move (Keyboard movement is a joke), and almost immediately the clik to move function stopped working for no reason, and didn't resume working until I used the arow keys. This would happen multiple times during gameplay.
Using the mouse to click on NPCs and monsters is also more difficult than it should be. You have to have your cursor exactly over what you are trying to click on, and not a pixel off, darnit! This often means that you will try to click on something and end up just walking in circles around it. This is especially frustrating during combat. Would it hurt to add a "Target nearest monster" button?
And then there's the camrea. Oh God, the camera.
First of all, going against all PC gaming logic, scrolling your mouse wheel forward zooms out, and scrolling it back zooms in. No other PC game I have played does this. Not that there is any point, because the camera will zoom in whenever you get close to just about any object, or will simply reset for no reason at all. It's frustrating as hell when you just want to zoom out for a bit.
The worst thing about the game, though, is that it's boring. It's the same "Kill 10 rats" quest fest that I have done in countless MMORPGs before, just with worse controls. Nothing I have done in this game so far has me hooked.
I sincerly hope this game gets better later on, because as it is I dont have much incentive to log in again.
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If you are not enjoying the game now why force your self to play further hoping it will get fun. Quit and go play something else.
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Totally agree with Mannish
I have to say that L2 is having some technical problems since F2P but its a great game. If you dont like it, just leave it.
It's not en easy game to get into that's for sure. The controls feel weird because they're different from what we're used to. But that's no biggie, you just have to adapt.
The real issue you're going to face once you reach higher levels is that this game is all about mob grinding. If you find killing monsters repeatedly to be boring then really you should do yourself a favor and uninstall.
This game is for people who enjoy mob grinding and who have the time for it.
If you do enjoy grinding however, then this is the best MMO out there atm. It has depth, immersion, an open world, meaningful PvP, player run economy and a hardcore levelling curve that'll keep you hooked for years.
NCwest servers are plagued with bots and gold sellers, they always have been and it's only gotten worse since the game went F2P.
There is an alternative to playing on NCwest servers though. Innova recently bought the EU license to run the game and they opened 2 fresh servers last month. These Innova people are proactive against bots and gold spammers so it's much less of an issue here than there.
Lineage 2 is not the latest piece of garbage you're used to play.
It's a declared masterpiece for the whole mmo community, so nobody cares about your noobish first impressions.
I played CoH for about 5 years, and I played Lin2 for about a year.
CoH spoiled you for customization; the two games could not be more different in character appearence.
Lin 2 does have better graphics though. Eye candy for the win?
I could not handle the grind in Lin2, and gave up, but I might give it another try now with the f2p option.
But, I would suggest playing Lin2 for a while longer; you might get used to the controls. I did and I am the type to rage quit if I can't figure out the controls in a game
First impressions are intense, but when you get past the learning curve it can change.
Post of the thread right here.
I d/l and tried this game out this week as well, and stopped playing what i felt was an enjoyable game because of the poor controls. The game seems to be riddled with movement bugs all over the place. When i had reached lvl 30 I had already got stuck in 3 infinite loops of sliding on terrain. Traveling near any sort of wall or tree would cause my character to just stop moving and hang up for several seconds before being able to move again. Gave up trying the wasd controls around lvl 10 because the RMB didn't control direction half the time, and instead just shifted the camera angel.
The controls just seemed to be a gigantic mess even using the point and click method, and then so many movement bugs I didn't want to bother with leveling past 35 or so. While the game is fun; moving in this game is anti-fun.
Lineage 2 is a true rarity, in that it requires an honest effort to get anything meaningful out of it. It's so different from more mainstream titles that it's most endearing features are often listed as flaws in reviews! From what I've seen over the years, mismanagment has done far more damage to this game's population than any angry critic. Now that it's free to try, people can form their own impressions!
Credit where it is due sir. 2 different types of elves, thats ethnically diverse.
Also, why is there a first impressions post on a game that is like.. 8-9 years old?
Sonny, in my day we had to grind for 2+ weeks just to get to level 20, and we didn't have good wiki's for the game, so your class quest could take even longer if you couldn't find the 1 NPC you were looking for. Let alone your 2nd class change which was actually 3 quests, which depending on your class could take days (and in some cases, be completely worth it).
This is an old game, based around old ideals. I suggest you jump ship if you don't like it. They may have made it 10x eaiser, but it's still an old time PvP based korean grinder, and it doesn't try to be anything else.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
I'm perfectly fine with the character creation options of L2 ... granted, more would be nice, but the strong limits allow less graphic and network lag in the central aspect of the game, the mass PvP events.
I didnt noticed any of the other aspects mentioned here, back when I was playing. I dont call "click to run" games a bad idea per se. Its actually something I miss sometimes in other games. Just click near the horizont and you can see your character running for a while, with nothing to be done by you. And I definitely loved that you could assign Alt+F4 a function in L2. I definitely never kept running around a mob trying to click it.
Gold spammers ... well, yeah. Thats an issue.
Err ... you adore blind fanboiism ?
*moves slowly away*
Why bother with L2 when you can play Aion for free is beyond me.
It is a much better game with alot better features.
just my 2 cents :P
so if i say i dont like games that was created 12 years ago to games that are created today im noob? i know like someone somewhere said somehow this site has become the place where you need to like old games or the games that are to come. anything between and you are noob. thats frakking smart that is.
personally id say i tried lineage 2 when it first came out, yeah it was something different again on its time, but yet pile of horse **** today after all different mmos outthere after lineage 2, where your character movement is so smooth i cant think why somone wants to play click to move game other than just pure fanboism or the fact that cause its released back in the days you need to say its good cause it makes you c00l. jesus!
i tried it back in the days played like few weeks was enough. i tried it again few months ago but abandoned straight away.
Some of us like click to move mmorpgs better than WASD. It happens, it's no tragedy.
ok some saying some people are fan boy?you must be smoking right?cause lineage 2 fill their server with all their weirdo stuff,i dont see a lot of game doing that period!so at one point all this suffering op and other are experiencing must be fun cause server wouldnt be packed!in the end you might hate it but i would say you havent played till end game so your point of view is not relevent!like a wow player he reach level 20 and complain?what did he experience?not anything relevent lol!same for lineage2
This just shows that you have no idea what Lineage 2 is about. The games are totally different in every way possible.
i guess all the server packed full of player in lineage 2 dont know their gaming stuff(sarcasm)they never experienced the awsomeness of other game!come on!be real they dont go to lineage2 by luck they go there BY CHOICE.but you only get to know why if you actually reach endgame and i hope nobody say why!saying it doesnt begin to tell the way it trully is!in my book if they fix the protection speed and fix the character clic stuck bug related to wasd .)(doesnt affect click to move)they ll have fixed the main issue of the game!cause lets face it most that dont reach end game in here dont because of the wasd issue .wasd is needed for the vast majority of english player!
The only thing I have to say to this after playing this game for 7 years is hahaha you have no idea what this games about its about getting to max lvl not being max lvl the fun thing about being max lvl was castle sieges other then that and waiting on new content which didnt have to buy extra was a major plus but it took alot longer for it to come and added that much more to the game. As for everything else take out WASD controls this game dont need them played fine with out for what 8 yrs. Also this game has a ton of content more then any game even WoW as I am not the only one that feels this way. But It took a long time to get to max lvl not 2 weeks or a month but more like a 1 yr so its more about the journey than it is endgame cause you wouldn't no anyone I met alot of friends in this game alot more in it then almost any game beside EQ:OA. In Wow I had 3 or 4 friends I knew and they where all ex EQ1 players. I also can say If you dont try to get past lvl 20 in this you will never see just how big this game really is it takes a long time or did sense F2P I can lvl a toon to 75 even 80 alot fast so 2 months maybe less to max lvl and with alot more end game as you call it content such as raids and instances. This game is a major gear grind though and takes a alot of time to get not so sure about now cause I haven't tried to get there.
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Preach on brother!
the game is fair to about level 50 then leveling slow down ,yes i baught item in store but it is slow!but i ainnt replying to this thread about that!
sadly this game has the same issue it has always had!gameguard!i am not against game protection all have it ,yes even wow!
but an amateurish solution like gameguard hell no!if you use say wasd too fast!gameguard prevent you !if you use spam skill too quick ,gameguard prevent you .you move too long in one direction and turn around and go the other way another while ,gameguard wont recall how you were positioned and will put you to last known position!i am all for understanding etc!but this clearly is interntional!the only reason gameguard act like this is because gameguard is sending said data live to korea!and waiting for reply!are they kidding me!why not senf the gameguard data to usa server dam it,it doesnt make sense!
i gave them 40$ to buy stuff!and it wasnt worth the trouble!wow is 10 time this game is !some will say use point and clic!it doesnt make a difference if you are too fast gameguard prevent you !this is called cheating,the only difference is its at the ncsoft end !
i wont play aion or guild wars 2 either!ncsoft had almost 10 years to fix this !10 YEARS!
i am done with this !i get out spend my hard hearned money on swtor !full of problem i go l2 again issue that should have been fixed years ago , i dont say boot gameguard!i say :FIND AND FIX THE ISSUE !this isnt hard gees,just send gameguard on ncsoft server use the copy outside of korea get and connect locally in korea but with gameguard sending info to usa you ll see right away what the issue is gees!
i ll go back to wow! at least i know gameplay is smooth!
I 100% agree with you i played L2 for the better part of 4 and a half years and had 4 paid subs so i could multi box. The game didn't hand feed you and the player made politics was what made this game a true wonder. Though like anything it finally gets old and you look for something new.
Only problem is that all the new poop that has been released so far can't compare. They claim to be MMO's, but most seem to be single player co-op's.
Would I go back to L2; not in a heart beat first off the L2 devs are now Blue Hole studios and secondly as i said played from release for 4 and a half years.
True the game played better before game gurad was implemented into it.
L2 is the epitome of what was wrong with asian grinders.
Some may call it a masterpiece, however typically masterpieces are replicated, immitated, and may will attempt to do it. The L2 model of mmorpg stayed with L2. No one ever tried to redo it for a reason.
In fact, if im not mistaken L2 attempted to emulated other games that were fairing better.
Regardless...theres a reason not even korean game makers attempt to recreate the insane grind, horrible movement and functionality that L2 offerd.
I just installed this last night and played for a few hours, I actually did not see any gold spam in game, (probably got lucky after reading other posts), and aside from the controls I really didnt have any issue with the game. I actually really enjoyed the game myself. I may play it until the few games im waiting on get released or I get hooked on it. Still not something I would abandon just because im not used to the controls.