I think people should stop criticizing the game at this point. It's getting sad. Yes, Bioware dun goofed and the game failed. But let's not kick a piece of garbage themepark WoW clone when it's down. Just leave it be and let it fade into obscurity.
Out of curiosity, which game(s) (MMOs) are you playing.
Nothing at the moment. There doesn't seem to be anything worth playing. I'm downloading the Tera Online beta client right now just to check it out, but I don't think it will be worth any real time investment.
Well at this moment, there are 30~ servers at Heavy load or more, the rest are Standard and 15~ are light.
I understand people think this game is dying but everytime I log in it seems to be quite the contrary happening. Why is that?
I do agree they need to get rid of about 20~ servers, and put those individuals on the pre-existing servers. But besides getting rid of those 20, i cant see the population decreasing as much as people are saying. Hell on Dark Reaper there are 130~ in the fleet. This number has been about the same or incresing a bit for the past month.
** Note - Im playing Republic on Dark REaper, where we are outnumbered 3:1 easily. We get instant PvP queues
Well at this moment, there are 30~ servers at Heavy load or more, the rest are Standard and 15~ are light.
I understand people think this game is dying but everytime I log in it seems to be quite the contrary happening. Why is that?
I do agree they need to get rid of about 20~ servers, and put those individuals on the pre-existing servers. But besides getting rid of those 20, i cant see the population decreasing as much as people are saying. Hell on Dark Reaper there are 130~ in the fleet. This number has been about the same or incresing a bit for the past month.
mainly because if you look at server status over a period of time, like every day of one week vs the next, it shows a steady decline. Then you look at xfire trends, and the game has fallen faster than any game in memory, even WAR.
But when you look at the hundreds, if not thousands of posts all over the net and the home forums deleting them faster than a gas powered blender, it's hard to imagine the game isn't tanking fast. But stating the obvious is being a hater I guess.
But it isn't unexpected, even the big guns know its coming. Right after that big 1.7 million subs sales pitch, the next day the main investors came out with this:
Evan Wilson of Pacific Crest wrote Friday that he has raised his sales estimate for “Star Wars” to 2.2 million units from 1.5 million units for the quarter, and said he remains “comfortable” with his 800,000 subscriber target when the company’s fiscal year ends in late March.
“Admittedly, we set our expectations as if Star Wars was to be a good, not great, MMO,” he wrote. “Fortunately, we think the company did too.”
So even they expect to lose over a million players by march 31st.
Iam playing on a large server, actually it was one of them with the highest populaton at the beginning when it comes to server load.
On prime time: 36 people on Tatooine and the whole republic faction is more or less empty....90% Huttenball.
Where are the 1.7 million players, where do they hide ?
I was on an EGA server. When I quit in January, I would have killed three kittens a day for at least a week for 36 players on Tatooine. And cute kittens, not ugly, scruffy, mangy, one-eyed kittens... But it was 12 ish...
mainly because if you look at server status over a period of time, like every day of one week vs the next, it shows a steady decline. Then you look at xfire trends, and the game has fallen faster than any game in memory, even WAR.
But when you look at the hundreds, if not thousands of posts all over the net and the home forums deleting them faster than a gas powered blender, it's hard to imagine the game isn't tanking fast. But stating the obvious is being a hater I guess.
But it isn't unexpected, even the big guns know its coming. Right after that big 1.7 million subs sales pitch, the next day the main investors came out with this:
Evan Wilson of Pacific Crest wrote Friday that he has raised his sales estimate for “Star Wars” to 2.2 million units from 1.5 million units for the quarter, and said he remains “comfortable” with his 800,000 subscriber target when the company’s fiscal year ends in late March.
“Admittedly, we set our expectations as if Star Wars was to be a good, not great, MMO,” he wrote. “Fortunately, we think the company did too.”
So even they expect to lose over a million players by march 31st.
I think that's very interesting. Because they've sold 2.1 million copies through February 11th... And their sales are so far in the tank that it could take the NA/EURO market until mid-March, or later, to hit 2.2 million. Which is in line with my projection. Their sales are just horrible (27K last week, another 20%+ decline from prior week). I really can't wait to see what the sales for February 18th, 2012 will be... Won't know until Tuesday I think... But I'm interested...
But I think the March 31st the subscription numbers are going to be inflated. Lots of people rushed out and bought 60-day and 180-day cards... Plus the month that came with the game... It's going to take time for all that to clear and for us to figure out wha aree base recurring subscription base really will be.
Plus they're going to have all those asian release units out there. Since the game comes with a free month... They'll count 100% as subscriptions. Even if they do not renew. Kind of like the trick they pulled with the 12/31/2011 numbers... Bragging about a meaningless and inflated sub-count since none of the subs from initial sales could have expired.
I personally think obviously it's going the way of Warhammer. I think it'll be smaller than LOTRO by July when all the 6-month-mistake subs have cleared.
I think that's very interesting. Because they've sold 2.1 million copies through February 11th... And their sales are so far in the tank that it could take the NA/EURO market until mid-March, or later, to hit 2.2 million. Which is in line with my projection. Their sales are just horrible (27K last week, another 20%+ decline from prior week). I really can't wait to see what the sales for February 18th, 2012 will be... Won't know until Tuesday I think... But I'm interested...
But I think the March 31st the subscription numbers are going to be inflated. Lots of people rushed out and bought 60-day and 180-day cards... Plus the month that came with the game... It's going to take time for all that to clear and for us to figure out wha aree base recurring subscription base really will be.
Plus they're going to have all those asian release units out there. Since the game comes with a free month... They'll count 100% as subscriptions. Even if they do not renew. Kind of like the trick they pulled with the 12/31/2011 numbers... Bragging about a meaningless and inflated sub-count since none of the subs from initial sales could have expired.
I personally think obviously it's going the way of Warhammer. I think it'll be smaller than LOTRO by July when all the 6-month-mistake subs have cleared.
Yes we know that, but the short investors who are looking at EA know the real numbers. It will sound better than it is but the accountants work on the hard math, and EA is liquidity short right now, making them an easy target for short sellers. SO overall, the EA people are trying to slowly release the bad news to have a controlled soft landing. Brown was already canned, Riticello has very few people left to throw under the bus. So this is why they put out lower quaterly earnng for march already, as well as estimates. Hoping bad news is better than terrible news.
I think people should stop criticizing the game at this point. It's getting sad. Yes, Bioware dun goofed and the game failed. But let's not kick a piece of garbage themepark WoW clone when it's down. Just leave it be and let it fade into obscurity.
So, when I wrote long, detailed posts about game issues... No hysterics... No crying... Just reporting list after list after list of bugs and design defects that I reported during beta...
Yet, despite my not writing any emo-filled posts, the horde trolls known as BioWare fanboys routinely insulted me in every way possible about every documented bug in the game... And, of course, the big-wigs lying to the public that it was 'just 5% with lousy compters'... Lets just add corporate stupidy to trollish insult and injury...
So, you know what, after that crapfest of trolling, including by BioWare executives, I became determined to get my $60 out of this game... And since the MMO I'm playing allows Alt-tab without crashing and has long-afk times... I can really enjoy my new hobby - schadenfreunde...
Server populations are easily manipulated, you can't measure anything with them. Kinda like voting.
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So many comments from people who haven't or are no longer playing the game. I really don't get the need to constantly be negative on games you're not playing.
I have a general rule that it's better to find something you enjoy and try to build on it instead of constantly trying to tear down the enjoyment of others.
If SWTOR wasn't the game for you then find one that suits you better and talk about it. Build it up and share stories with other people playing it. Constantly filling the forums of every new game that comes along other than the game you're playing with phlem and diatribes about how horible and fail it is just seems immature and childish to me.
Now if you are playing it and you're genuinly concerned about declining server populations then feel free to chime in with your concerns and some constructive ideas to fix it. Whether those be server merges or fewer worlds or global chat channels or a LFG system for heroics, but leaping on every SWTOR thread with comments like "this game is totally fail" is just silly.
You're like a bunch of kids throwing blocks around because you wanted to play with the toy cars.
Server populations are easily manipulated, you can't measure anything with them. Kinda like voting.
Easily manipulated? Yes. But you can certainly measure them and can tell when they are manipulated. For example there was a sudden increase in server load starting on Feb 4th compared to the weeks prior to it. So either Bioware suddenly sold a lot of copies on the 3rd/4th or Bioware lowered the requirements to hit standard, heavy, etc.
Server populations are easily manipulated, you can't measure anything with them. Kinda like voting.
Easily manipulated? Yes. But you can certainly measure them and can tell when they are manipulated. For example there was a sudden increase in server load starting on Feb 4th compared to the weeks prior to it. So either Bioware suddenly sold a lot of copies on the 3rd/4th or Bioware lowered the requirements to hit standard, heavy, etc.
Oh yeah, companies can easily manipulate the requirements in server status as far as populations go. Whatever system they use whether it is a color/number/word/symbol scheme, they can easily make not only the range "dynamic" but the formula they use to determine how many servers get what status symbol, dynamic as well.
One perfect example I used was FFXIV server populations and how silly the Chocobo rating system was. For example, I was taking roll call during NA peak times several times the week before billing service commenced. When you create a character it will list the order of servers from least populated on top (1 Choco) to the most populated at the bottom (3 Choco). There are currently 18 servers which will get merged soon to 10 next month.
What I found out (to make it really brief) was that the 17th populated server got 1 Choco and had only 380 folks online while the 2nd populated server got 3 Choco with 440. How is it possible that 60 people in difference all of a sudden changes the strength from 1 to 3? How can a mere difference in 60 people online all a sudden justify going from 1 to 3 Choco symbols? Usually when a server lists with whatever units/symbols they are using at max it is because it is populated. I don't think anyone would look at 440 and say "Yeah that seems like a server populated to the brim."
On top of that it seems they use a dynamic formula to always have a certain amount of servers showing 1 2 and 3 Chocobos. Realistically it should be 17 servers showing 1 Choco and 1 server showing 2. One of the reasons I think SE doesn't do this is so that when A. New players and B. Returning players come back and make their characters, they don't you to see the abysmal Choco population rating.
So the same could be said here. I am sure there are still some servers in SWTOR that are heavy during evening hours, but I wouldn't be surprised if a good portion of them are actually light status. So this certainly isn't the 1st nor the last time a company manipulates "server status" when it comes to population numbers.
So many comments from people who haven't or are no longer playing the game. I really don't get the need to constantly be negative on games you're not playing.
I have a general rule that it's better to find something you enjoy and try to build on it instead of constantly trying to tear down the enjoyment of others.
If SWTOR wasn't the game for you then find one that suits you better and talk about it. Build it up and share stories with other people playing it. Constantly filling the forums of every new game that comes along other than the game you're playing with phlem and diatribes about how horible and fail it is just seems immature and childish to me.
Now if you are playing it and you're genuinly concerned about declining server populations then feel free to chime in with your concerns and some constructive ideas to fix it. Whether those be server merges or fewer worlds or global chat channels or a LFG system for heroics, but leaping on every SWTOR thread with comments like "this game is totally fail" is just silly.
You're like a bunch of kids throwing blocks around because you wanted to play with the toy cars.
I really don't get the state of mind that someone has to write something like the above.
If a game is getting criticism that is underserved, then you would not resort to the above argument. You do not say that the negative opinions are wrong... just that the haters should go elsewhere. You sort of implicitly admit that the haters have a point, but for the sake of being nice, should shut up and move on.
Let me ask, if you went to a restaurant and got food poisoning (or maybe just a really badly cooked meal) or saw a bad film.. and you heard friends and aquaintances thinking about going.. wouldn't you give them your opinion? Of course you would. If a friend / aquiantance was thinking of getting SWTOR, wouldn;t you give them your opinion also? Of course.
Maybe you do not understand what these forums are for.
They are not exclusively community resources for only people who like the game to talk to each other. This site is for MMO's in general. This site has reviews. Surely that should indicate that the forums are for expressing a whole plethora of views about such games? Even the negative ones.
Or maybe you dont object to the forums being for all views, but you don't understand the motivations of the hater. Well think, why did you want to tell your friend about the bad restaurant / movie?
a) You wanted to save your friend the cost.
b) You do not want a bad restaurant to be rewarded with their custom.
c) Hopefully if the market punishes bad restaurants, the industry will try harder to please its customers and improve its standards. Its a free market thing.
These simply are the reasons that haters, hate. Its why we have critics and reviews. There is nothing childish about it. (You might have a point if it were only unconstructive criticism you were railing against)
I'm also on Shadowlands, and yes ilum actually works at certain times during the day, I have 2 50s and I get my dailys and weeklys done by actually pvping (as opposed to crates). I've seen empire have a full op and another half filled op and still be outnumbered for a while, yeah we eventually win the numbers game and thus the planet but there are some pretty big battles.
The way this game was designed though, with shards+ world design, you could merge 4 servers into 1 and the planets would still look this way. Once you hit 50 if which planet you will spend the bulk of your time was a multiple choice question it would be none of the above. With the exception of dailys on balsalvis and ilum which the rewards for them you can outgrow rather quickly once you start doing dungeon grinds/pvp. There is no reason to be on any of the planets, you don't go to planets to even do any of the flashpoints you find your group at fleet then proceed to a shuttle and to the flashpoint. If you've been 50 for a few weeks and have decent gear there is no real need to ever step foot on any of the planets other then Ilum. And you have no reason to go to any of the lower level planets other then datacrons. If noone ever fight on ilum then you'll really never leave the fleet at endgame other then to do instanced content ie wz or fp or ops.
Even at mid levels this happens, I got a few alts a 30 a 20 and a level 14. There are entire planets that I skip everything but my class quest, Balmora and Tat are actually two of those planets. I make up exp I lose by not doing the planet quests with Warzones. I'll play warzones till I'm at the starting level for the next zone, like say on tat I'll do wz till i'm 28 (alderaan recommended min level) do my class quests for the planet, then move on to the next planet, if I don't like it I'll do the same thing. With this playstyle on might spend 2-3 hours on a planet for every 4-5 levels. Most of my leveling time is spent in The Pit(lol).
So many comments from people who haven't or are no longer playing the game. I really don't get the need to constantly be negative on games you're not playing.
I have a general rule that it's better to find something you enjoy and try to build on it instead of constantly trying to tear down the enjoyment of others.
If SWTOR wasn't the game for you then find one that suits you better and talk about it. Build it up and share stories with other people playing it. Constantly filling the forums of every new game that comes along other than the game you're playing with phlem and diatribes about how horible and fail it is just seems immature and childish to me.
Now if you are playing it and you're genuinly concerned about declining server populations then feel free to chime in with your concerns and some constructive ideas to fix it. Whether those be server merges or fewer worlds or global chat channels or a LFG system for heroics, but leaping on every SWTOR thread with comments like "this game is totally fail" is just silly.
You're like a bunch of kids throwing blocks around because you wanted to play with the toy cars.
I really don't get the state of mind that someone has to write something like the above.
If a game is getting criticism that is underserved, then you would not resort to the above argument. You do not say that the negative opinions are wrong... just that the haters should go elsewhere. You sort of implicitly admit that the haters have a point, but for the sake of being nice, should shut up and move on.
Let me ask, if you went to a restaurant and got food poisoning (or maybe just a really badly cooked meal) or saw a bad film.. and you heard friends and aquaintances thinking about going.. wouldn't you give them your opinion? Of course you would. If a friend / aquiantance was thinking of getting SWTOR, wouldn;t you give them your opinion also? Of course.
Maybe you do not understand what these forums are for.
They are not exclusively community resources for only people who like the game to talk to each other. This site is for MMO's in general. This site has reviews. Surely that should indicate that the forums are for expressing a whole plethora of views about such games? Even the negative ones.
Or maybe you dont object to the forums being for all views, but you don't understand the motivations of the hater. Well think, why did you want to tell your friend about the bad restaurant / movie?
a) You wanted to save your friend the cost.
b) You do not want a bad restaurant to be rewarded with their custom.
c) Hopefully if the market punishes bad restaurants, the industry will try harder to please its customers and improve its standards. Its a free market thing.
These simply are the reasons that haters, hate. Its why we have critics and reviews. There is nothing childish about it. (You might have a point if it were only unconstructive criticism you were railing against)
And you never will get it. Let me explain it to you then. It's fine that you give your opinion bad or good about something (games, restaurants, movies, musics...), it's the fact that haters keeps doing it for no reason for many years and it gets really old really fast. I never like WoW and I have plenty of friends who do, but I don't tell them everyday (many times a day) that their game sucks and they don't tell me everyday I should be playing. Same goes with movies, music, tv shows...
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
So many comments from people who haven't or are no longer playing the game. I really don't get the need to constantly be negative on games you're not playing.
I have a general rule that it's better to find something you enjoy and try to build on it instead of constantly trying to tear down the enjoyment of others.
If SWTOR wasn't the game for you then find one that suits you better and talk about it. Build it up and share stories with other people playing it. Constantly filling the forums of every new game that comes along other than the game you're playing with phlem and diatribes about how horible and fail it is just seems immature and childish to me.
Now if you are playing it and you're genuinly concerned about declining server populations then feel free to chime in with your concerns and some constructive ideas to fix it. Whether those be server merges or fewer worlds or global chat channels or a LFG system for heroics, but leaping on every SWTOR thread with comments like "this game is totally fail" is just silly.
You're like a bunch of kids throwing blocks around because you wanted to play with the toy cars.
I really don't get the state of mind that someone has to write something like the above.
If a game is getting criticism that is underserved, then you would not resort to the above argument. You do not say that the negative opinions are wrong... just that the haters should go elsewhere. You sort of implicitly admit that the haters have a point, but for the sake of being nice, should shut up and move on.
Let me ask, if you went to a restaurant and got food poisoning (or maybe just a really badly cooked meal) or saw a bad film.. and you heard friends and aquaintances thinking about going.. wouldn't you give them your opinion? Of course you would. If a friend / aquiantance was thinking of getting SWTOR, wouldn;t you give them your opinion also? Of course.
Maybe you do not understand what these forums are for.
They are not exclusively community resources for only people who like the game to talk to each other. This site is for MMO's in general. This site has reviews. Surely that should indicate that the forums are for expressing a whole plethora of views about such games? Even the negative ones.
Or maybe you dont object to the forums being for all views, but you don't understand the motivations of the hater. Well think, why did you want to tell your friend about the bad restaurant / movie?
a) You wanted to save your friend the cost.
b) You do not want a bad restaurant to be rewarded with their custom.
c) Hopefully if the market punishes bad restaurants, the industry will try harder to please its customers and improve its standards. Its a free market thing.
These simply are the reasons that haters, hate. Its why we have critics and reviews. There is nothing childish about it. (You might have a point if it were only unconstructive criticism you were railing against)
Great points Tawn47. I never have been able to understand players just wanting other players to remain silent if they don't agree/like something in a game they play. I'd rather talk about why you like or don't like something and how you could improve it.
And you never will get it. Let me explain it to you then. It's fine that you give your opinion bad or good about something (games, restaurants, movies, musics...), it's the fact that haters keeps doing it for no reason for many years and it gets really old really fast. I never like WoW and I have plenty of friends who do, but I don't tell them everyday (many times a day) that their game sucks and they don't tell me everyday I should be playing. Same goes with movies, music, tv shows...
So many comments from people who haven't or are no longer playing the game. I really don't get the need to constantly be negative on games you're not playing.
I have a general rule that it's better to find something you enjoy and try to build on it instead of constantly trying to tear down the enjoyment of others.
If SWTOR wasn't the game for you then find one that suits you better and talk about it. Build it up and share stories with other people playing it. Constantly filling the forums of every new game that comes along other than the game you're playing with phlem and diatribes about how horible and fail it is just seems immature and childish to me.
Now if you are playing it and you're genuinly concerned about declining server populations then feel free to chime in with your concerns and some constructive ideas to fix it. Whether those be server merges or fewer worlds or global chat channels or a LFG system for heroics, but leaping on every SWTOR thread with comments like "this game is totally fail" is just silly.
You're like a bunch of kids throwing blocks around because you wanted to play with the toy cars.
I really don't get the state of mind that someone has to write something like the above.
If a game is getting criticism that is underserved, then you would not resort to the above argument. You do not say that the negative opinions are wrong... just that the haters should go elsewhere. You sort of implicitly admit that the haters have a point, but for the sake of being nice, should shut up and move on.
Let me ask, if you went to a restaurant and got food poisoning (or maybe just a really badly cooked meal) or saw a bad film.. and you heard friends and aquaintances thinking about going.. wouldn't you give them your opinion? Of course you would. If a friend / aquiantance was thinking of getting SWTOR, wouldn;t you give them your opinion also? Of course.
Maybe you do not understand what these forums are for.
They are not exclusively community resources for only people who like the game to talk to each other. This site is for MMO's in general. This site has reviews. Surely that should indicate that the forums are for expressing a whole plethora of views about such games? Even the negative ones.
Or maybe you dont object to the forums being for all views, but you don't understand the motivations of the hater. Well think, why did you want to tell your friend about the bad restaurant / movie?
a) You wanted to save your friend the cost.
b) You do not want a bad restaurant to be rewarded with their custom.
c) Hopefully if the market punishes bad restaurants, the industry will try harder to please its customers and improve its standards. Its a free market thing.
These simply are the reasons that haters, hate. Its why we have critics and reviews. There is nothing childish about it. (You might have a point if it were only unconstructive criticism you were railing against)
Great points Tawn47. I never have been able to understand players just wanting other players to remain silent if they don't agree/like something in a game they play. I'd rather talk about why you like or don't like something and how you could improve it.
You miss the point of those last 2 post, one is saying if people don't play the games anymore, why keep bashing it and the other one says, to prevent people from making the same mistake as he did. Nothing about your likes and dislikes on the game to improve it...as a matter of fact, it's encourage to do so, to make your game even better.
BTW, don't go see Battlefield Earth, that movie sucks.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
Great points Tawn47. I never have been able to understand players just wanting other players to remain silent if they don't agree/like something in a game they play. I'd rather talk about why you like or don't like something and how you could improve it.
You miss the point of those last 2 post, one is saying if people don't play the games anymore, why keep bashing it and the other one says, to prevent people from making the same mistake as he did. Nothing about your likes and dislikes on the game to improve it...as a matter of fact, it's encourage to do so, to make your game even better.
BTW, don't go see Battlefield Earth, that movie sucks.
Well I hate to overuse analogies, but if I eat at a bad restaurant.. I just tell people not to eat there.. it is not my job to offer advice to the chef.
To continue the restrant analogy, you're saying, "Don't eat at that fish house, they don't serve steak. I like steak and fish sucks. Here's why fish sucks. Any of you who like fish are deluded fools who don't know that steak is where it's at."
There's absolutely nothing toxic in SWTOR, it's a fun game for what it does. If you were expecting something else I can see why you're disapointed, but find a nice steak house to write about.
Lets face it, few on this forum in particular are fans of this style of game, so spready the word that it's a story driven theam park with standard MMO mechanics isn't exactly spreading the word. It's just hating on fish houses because it isn't the steak you prefer.
If you have something constructive and fresh to post then do it, but reiterating the same comments over and over, most of which are more due to the type of game it is rather than any specific failings is just haters hating.
Yes SWTOR has several areas it could improve on, and offering ideas on how those can be improved certainly wouldn't be a bad thing. Constructive comments doesn't necessarily imply being a blind fangirl, it does require something more though than chiming in on a game that doesn't suit your playstyle over and over again with comments that add nothing to the discusion.
AFAIK the player number is only the people in the same instance and if you have just zoned in it will put you in the least populated. If you group with someone who is in a different instance it will swap you to theirs and you may find a lot more players in there. In beta it took FAR less people to flag the server as heavy/full, I think they raised the cap by spreading people evenly across more instances after launch.
I think Ilum maybe an exception to this, whch is why you can pile in 100s of people and lag the place to death.
Great points Tawn47. I never have been able to understand players just wanting other players to remain silent if they don't agree/like something in a game they play. I'd rather talk about why you like or don't like something and how you could improve it.
You miss the point of those last 2 post, one is saying if people don't play the games anymore, why keep bashing it and the other one says, to prevent people from making the same mistake as he did. Nothing about your likes and dislikes on the game to improve it...as a matter of fact, it's encourage to do so, to make your game even better.
BTW, don't go see Battlefield Earth, that movie sucks.
Well I hate to overuse analogies, but if I eat at a bad restaurant.. I just tell people not to eat there.. it is not my job to offer advice to the chef.
You are still missing the whole point, if you eat at a bad restaurant, it's ok to tell people, it's getting anoying when you say it over and over everyday to the same people, like many here does. Also, if you eat at a bad restaurant, let say you receive your plate and the food is no good for whatever reason, you might want to complain to the waitress and get replacement, if that doesn't work, you go to the manager and even the chef.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
well, i don't know about the other servers, but just logged off of the shaltin tunnels server (EU) republic fleet, 67 players, at a standard population.. though i don't think i've ever seen this particular server with a Heavy population.. and this is most definitely prime time EU.
even so, unless EA actually publish actual player figures, we can only guess.. educated guesses perhaps.. but.. guesses nonetheless.
I called it like I saw it, and got bashed for it. *shrug* Seems the honeymoon is coming to an end for many.
Either way, I'm quite sad about what SWTOR turned out to be and can't say I'm surprised. To anyone still having fun, I'm happy for you... but in my eyes what BioWare has done is surprisingly disappointing.
Why do I write, create, fantasize, dream and daydream about other worlds? Because I hate what humanity does with this one.
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Nothing. Just like my post. Yet, Albinism is a realm problem for some people, and to allow that post to remain is what is wrong.
Obviously the people in charge of these forums have no idea what is acceptable and what is not acceptable.
Nothing at the moment. There doesn't seem to be anything worth playing. I'm downloading the Tera Online beta client right now just to check it out, but I don't think it will be worth any real time investment.
Well at this moment, there are 30~ servers at Heavy load or more, the rest are Standard and 15~ are light.
I understand people think this game is dying but everytime I log in it seems to be quite the contrary happening. Why is that?
I do agree they need to get rid of about 20~ servers, and put those individuals on the pre-existing servers. But besides getting rid of those 20, i cant see the population decreasing as much as people are saying. Hell on Dark Reaper there are 130~ in the fleet. This number has been about the same or incresing a bit for the past month.
** Note - Im playing Republic on Dark REaper, where we are outnumbered 3:1 easily. We get instant PvP queues
mainly because if you look at server status over a period of time, like every day of one week vs the next, it shows a steady decline. Then you look at xfire trends, and the game has fallen faster than any game in memory, even WAR.
But when you look at the hundreds, if not thousands of posts all over the net and the home forums deleting them faster than a gas powered blender, it's hard to imagine the game isn't tanking fast. But stating the obvious is being a hater I guess.
But it isn't unexpected, even the big guns know its coming. Right after that big 1.7 million subs sales pitch, the next day the main investors came out with this:
Evan Wilson of Pacific Crest wrote Friday that he has raised his sales estimate for “Star Wars” to 2.2 million units from 1.5 million units for the quarter, and said he remains “comfortable” with his 800,000 subscriber target when the company’s fiscal year ends in late March.
“Admittedly, we set our expectations as if Star Wars was to be a good, not great, MMO,” he wrote. “Fortunately, we think the company did too.”
So even they expect to lose over a million players by march 31st.
I was on an EGA server. When I quit in January, I would have killed three kittens a day for at least a week for 36 players on Tatooine. And cute kittens, not ugly, scruffy, mangy, one-eyed kittens... But it was 12 ish...
I think that's very interesting. Because they've sold 2.1 million copies through February 11th... And their sales are so far in the tank that it could take the NA/EURO market until mid-March, or later, to hit 2.2 million. Which is in line with my projection. Their sales are just horrible (27K last week, another 20%+ decline from prior week). I really can't wait to see what the sales for February 18th, 2012 will be... Won't know until Tuesday I think... But I'm interested...
But I think the March 31st the subscription numbers are going to be inflated. Lots of people rushed out and bought 60-day and 180-day cards... Plus the month that came with the game... It's going to take time for all that to clear and for us to figure out wha aree base recurring subscription base really will be.
Plus they're going to have all those asian release units out there. Since the game comes with a free month... They'll count 100% as subscriptions. Even if they do not renew. Kind of like the trick they pulled with the 12/31/2011 numbers... Bragging about a meaningless and inflated sub-count since none of the subs from initial sales could have expired.
I personally think obviously it's going the way of Warhammer. I think it'll be smaller than LOTRO by July when all the 6-month-mistake subs have cleared.
Yes we know that, but the short investors who are looking at EA know the real numbers. It will sound better than it is but the accountants work on the hard math, and EA is liquidity short right now, making them an easy target for short sellers. SO overall, the EA people are trying to slowly release the bad news to have a controlled soft landing. Brown was already canned, Riticello has very few people left to throw under the bus. So this is why they put out lower quaterly earnng for march already, as well as estimates. Hoping bad news is better than terrible news.
So, when I wrote long, detailed posts about game issues... No hysterics... No crying... Just reporting list after list after list of bugs and design defects that I reported during beta...
Yet, despite my not writing any emo-filled posts, the horde trolls known as BioWare fanboys routinely insulted me in every way possible about every documented bug in the game... And, of course, the big-wigs lying to the public that it was 'just 5% with lousy compters'... Lets just add corporate stupidy to trollish insult and injury...
So, you know what, after that crapfest of trolling, including by BioWare executives, I became determined to get my $60 out of this game... And since the MMO I'm playing allows Alt-tab without crashing and has long-afk times... I can really enjoy my new hobby - schadenfreunde...
Server populations are easily manipulated, you can't measure anything with them. Kinda like voting.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
So many comments from people who haven't or are no longer playing the game. I really don't get the need to constantly be negative on games you're not playing.
I have a general rule that it's better to find something you enjoy and try to build on it instead of constantly trying to tear down the enjoyment of others.
If SWTOR wasn't the game for you then find one that suits you better and talk about it. Build it up and share stories with other people playing it. Constantly filling the forums of every new game that comes along other than the game you're playing with phlem and diatribes about how horible and fail it is just seems immature and childish to me.
Now if you are playing it and you're genuinly concerned about declining server populations then feel free to chime in with your concerns and some constructive ideas to fix it. Whether those be server merges or fewer worlds or global chat channels or a LFG system for heroics, but leaping on every SWTOR thread with comments like "this game is totally fail" is just silly.
You're like a bunch of kids throwing blocks around because you wanted to play with the toy cars.
Easily manipulated? Yes. But you can certainly measure them and can tell when they are manipulated. For example there was a sudden increase in server load starting on Feb 4th compared to the weeks prior to it. So either Bioware suddenly sold a lot of copies on the 3rd/4th or Bioware lowered the requirements to hit standard, heavy, etc.
Oh yeah, companies can easily manipulate the requirements in server status as far as populations go. Whatever system they use whether it is a color/number/word/symbol scheme, they can easily make not only the range "dynamic" but the formula they use to determine how many servers get what status symbol, dynamic as well.
One perfect example I used was FFXIV server populations and how silly the Chocobo rating system was. For example, I was taking roll call during NA peak times several times the week before billing service commenced. When you create a character it will list the order of servers from least populated on top (1 Choco) to the most populated at the bottom (3 Choco). There are currently 18 servers which will get merged soon to 10 next month.
What I found out (to make it really brief) was that the 17th populated server got 1 Choco and had only 380 folks online while the 2nd populated server got 3 Choco with 440. How is it possible that 60 people in difference all of a sudden changes the strength from 1 to 3? How can a mere difference in 60 people online all a sudden justify going from 1 to 3 Choco symbols? Usually when a server lists with whatever units/symbols they are using at max it is because it is populated. I don't think anyone would look at 440 and say "Yeah that seems like a server populated to the brim."
On top of that it seems they use a dynamic formula to always have a certain amount of servers showing 1 2 and 3 Chocobos. Realistically it should be 17 servers showing 1 Choco and 1 server showing 2. One of the reasons I think SE doesn't do this is so that when A. New players and B. Returning players come back and make their characters, they don't you to see the abysmal Choco population rating.
So the same could be said here. I am sure there are still some servers in SWTOR that are heavy during evening hours, but I wouldn't be surprised if a good portion of them are actually light status. So this certainly isn't the 1st nor the last time a company manipulates "server status" when it comes to population numbers.
I really don't get the state of mind that someone has to write something like the above.
If a game is getting criticism that is underserved, then you would not resort to the above argument. You do not say that the negative opinions are wrong... just that the haters should go elsewhere. You sort of implicitly admit that the haters have a point, but for the sake of being nice, should shut up and move on.
Let me ask, if you went to a restaurant and got food poisoning (or maybe just a really badly cooked meal) or saw a bad film.. and you heard friends and aquaintances thinking about going.. wouldn't you give them your opinion? Of course you would. If a friend / aquiantance was thinking of getting SWTOR, wouldn;t you give them your opinion also? Of course.
Maybe you do not understand what these forums are for.
They are not exclusively community resources for only people who like the game to talk to each other. This site is for MMO's in general. This site has reviews. Surely that should indicate that the forums are for expressing a whole plethora of views about such games? Even the negative ones.
Or maybe you dont object to the forums being for all views, but you don't understand the motivations of the hater. Well think, why did you want to tell your friend about the bad restaurant / movie?
a) You wanted to save your friend the cost.
b) You do not want a bad restaurant to be rewarded with their custom.
c) Hopefully if the market punishes bad restaurants, the industry will try harder to please its customers and improve its standards. Its a free market thing.
These simply are the reasons that haters, hate. Its why we have critics and reviews. There is nothing childish about it. (You might have a point if it were only unconstructive criticism you were railing against)
I'm also on Shadowlands, and yes ilum actually works at certain times during the day, I have 2 50s and I get my dailys and weeklys done by actually pvping (as opposed to crates). I've seen empire have a full op and another half filled op and still be outnumbered for a while, yeah we eventually win the numbers game and thus the planet but there are some pretty big battles.
The way this game was designed though, with shards+ world design, you could merge 4 servers into 1 and the planets would still look this way. Once you hit 50 if which planet you will spend the bulk of your time was a multiple choice question it would be none of the above. With the exception of dailys on balsalvis and ilum which the rewards for them you can outgrow rather quickly once you start doing dungeon grinds/pvp. There is no reason to be on any of the planets, you don't go to planets to even do any of the flashpoints you find your group at fleet then proceed to a shuttle and to the flashpoint. If you've been 50 for a few weeks and have decent gear there is no real need to ever step foot on any of the planets other then Ilum. And you have no reason to go to any of the lower level planets other then datacrons. If noone ever fight on ilum then you'll really never leave the fleet at endgame other then to do instanced content ie wz or fp or ops.
Even at mid levels this happens, I got a few alts a 30 a 20 and a level 14. There are entire planets that I skip everything but my class quest, Balmora and Tat are actually two of those planets. I make up exp I lose by not doing the planet quests with Warzones. I'll play warzones till I'm at the starting level for the next zone, like say on tat I'll do wz till i'm 28 (alderaan recommended min level) do my class quests for the planet, then move on to the next planet, if I don't like it I'll do the same thing. With this playstyle on might spend 2-3 hours on a planet for every 4-5 levels. Most of my leveling time is spent in The Pit(lol).
And you never will get it. Let me explain it to you then. It's fine that you give your opinion bad or good about something (games, restaurants, movies, musics...), it's the fact that haters keeps doing it for no reason for many years and it gets really old really fast. I never like WoW and I have plenty of friends who do, but I don't tell them everyday (many times a day) that their game sucks and they don't tell me everyday I should be playing. Same goes with movies, music, tv shows...
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
Great points Tawn47. I never have been able to understand players just wanting other players to remain silent if they don't agree/like something in a game they play. I'd rather talk about why you like or don't like something and how you could improve it.
SWTOR is still new though.
You miss the point of those last 2 post, one is saying if people don't play the games anymore, why keep bashing it and the other one says, to prevent people from making the same mistake as he did. Nothing about your likes and dislikes on the game to improve it...as a matter of fact, it's encourage to do so, to make your game even better.
BTW, don't go see Battlefield Earth, that movie sucks.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
Well I hate to overuse analogies, but if I eat at a bad restaurant.. I just tell people not to eat there.. it is not my job to offer advice to the chef.
To continue the restrant analogy, you're saying, "Don't eat at that fish house, they don't serve steak. I like steak and fish sucks. Here's why fish sucks. Any of you who like fish are deluded fools who don't know that steak is where it's at."
There's absolutely nothing toxic in SWTOR, it's a fun game for what it does. If you were expecting something else I can see why you're disapointed, but find a nice steak house to write about.
Lets face it, few on this forum in particular are fans of this style of game, so spready the word that it's a story driven theam park with standard MMO mechanics isn't exactly spreading the word. It's just hating on fish houses because it isn't the steak you prefer.
If you have something constructive and fresh to post then do it, but reiterating the same comments over and over, most of which are more due to the type of game it is rather than any specific failings is just haters hating.
Yes SWTOR has several areas it could improve on, and offering ideas on how those can be improved certainly wouldn't be a bad thing. Constructive comments doesn't necessarily imply being a blind fangirl, it does require something more though than chiming in on a game that doesn't suit your playstyle over and over again with comments that add nothing to the discusion.
AFAIK the player number is only the people in the same instance and if you have just zoned in it will put you in the least populated. If you group with someone who is in a different instance it will swap you to theirs and you may find a lot more players in there. In beta it took FAR less people to flag the server as heavy/full, I think they raised the cap by spreading people evenly across more instances after launch.
I think Ilum maybe an exception to this, whch is why you can pile in 100s of people and lag the place to death.
You are still missing the whole point, if you eat at a bad restaurant, it's ok to tell people, it's getting anoying when you say it over and over everyday to the same people, like many here does. Also, if you eat at a bad restaurant, let say you receive your plate and the food is no good for whatever reason, you might want to complain to the waitress and get replacement, if that doesn't work, you go to the manager and even the chef.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
Why do you judge it based off Tatooine?
No one bases how populated WoW is by Strangle thorn Vale's population.
Its a leveling zone, I could name a dozen like it in other games where you also won't find any players really, cus they leveled through it.
Lets go to FFXI and check out Crawler's Nest....
EQ and check out Butcher Block.
Now lets head over to DAoC and see Cornhill.. hmmm
Level zones don't have a huge population! Duh!
(Btw when I log on my server its heavy, and I see 300 people in the imperial navy. You should see how many are there when WZ's are down... lol)
well, i don't know about the other servers, but just logged off of the shaltin tunnels server (EU) republic fleet, 67 players, at a standard population.. though i don't think i've ever seen this particular server with a Heavy population.. and this is most definitely prime time EU.
even so, unless EA actually publish actual player figures, we can only guess.. educated guesses perhaps.. but.. guesses nonetheless.
I called it like I saw it, and got bashed for it. *shrug* Seems the honeymoon is coming to an end for many.
Either way, I'm quite sad about what SWTOR turned out to be and can't say I'm surprised. To anyone still having fun, I'm happy for you... but in my eyes what BioWare has done is surprisingly disappointing.
BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.